AZuser

Honda's barely catching up to the others (i.e. Hyundai, Kia) engine- and transmission-wise, but they've been left behind again by Ford's Fusion.

I hate to say it, but Ford's got the lead on this segment now.

I'm afraid Honda's going to continue to lose sales to Hyundai, Kia, Ford, and Nissan.


Sorry, Honda, but this is not a strong showing...

vwong

So they put a front bumper into the rear? Wonder when will Honda/Acura offer something that will interest me?!

Moog-Type-S

Accountants at work. Producing only one bumper that fits the front and rear of the car saves cost!!!

Moog-Type-S

This comment from LLN had me

spdandpwr

Honda is still underpowered for the segment as well. The first question people ask you when you say you got a new car is how much hp is in there. While scorching 0-60 isn't necessarily a top of mind concern, the car's ability to keep up with traffic is. This new accord seems like an extension of the current accord, in so far as design and powertrains are concerned. Fortunately, they've managed to produce higher efficiency vehicles. And wth, why no dohc setups on the 6s? Every other v6 out there is a dohc and achieves equal or better efficiency ratings.

ttribe

+1

neuronbob

Yup.

I will be crushed (but not surprised mind you ) if it turns into vaporware.

KillerG

I think radical for honda would have been anything but a mild refresh like that which the civic received, honestly i'm surprised that they havent learned with the civic debacle, perhaps it was too late in the design cycle of the accord to change it up drastically when they realized what theyve done with the civic.

Either way, sales figures will show us what kind of turn this will take for honda... still curious to see how they rework the civic

KillerG

In 3 years we'll have a new 911 Turbo, new GT-R, new R8, LF-LC, sub-SLS AMG, and a lot of other stiff competition for the vaporcar... I hope it has it's shit together.

civicdrivr

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I kinda of like it. But, I like most of the current coupe (the hood line where it meets the bumper is a turn off for me)

CarbonGray Earl

lol...it is true what everyone was saying about the coupe though.

Nice bodykit, now where's the new car?

Moog-Type-S

So when this concept gets the typical Honda vanilla treatment for production it will end up looking just like the current vehicle.

hANDYcaptd

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My thoughts exactly, but I remember the concept version of the current coupe wasn't that far off the production.

Gotta find some pics of it.

Edit:

erdoc48

The more I see the new car designs, the more I like and plan on keeping my 3G TL. I actually like the current Accord coupe. I think the 2013 looks too overdone (an attempt to incorporate too many features of other cars into this one, and the end result isn't pretty)

AZuser

Seems like it. Every new generation has been distinguishable from the previous. Not so with the 8G to 9G.


1G Accord




2G Accord




3G Accord




4G Accord




5G Accord




6G Accord




7G Accord




8G Accord




9G Accord

CarbonGray Earl

The silver lining: you can go get an 8g coupe and still feel that its fairly new for the next 4-5 years.

Heck, you know some daring soul will actually buy and 8g, and make it into a 9g on the outside. No stopping a man with little regard for his money and an excessive amount of time and bondo....

Moog-Type-S

Wow....well then it is true, this is the Civic debacle part deux.

Either Honda has not learned from their mistakes....or the ship was too far gone to fast to turn from the iceburg.....ie this was already in the pipe for years.

What a mess either way.

dom

You guys take in Drama in High School?

Moog-Type-S

dom, how much is Honda paying you?

There is no way imaginable that you can be positive about this concept Accord.

Sure a DI engine is interesting, and 6AT....these were a long long long time coming,...then mix in CVT for

...and the icing on the cake: mix in a retread design.

Seriously dom, how much, and how can I get in on that $$$$.

I can be bought too to become a Honda propaganda machine!!!

PM me the details. Thx.

pearldrummer

Waiting on the 6MT V6 Sedan. My luck they will actually produce one and the world actually ends this Dec...

CarbonGray Earl

I hear what Dom is saying and I can see the coupe for itself and agree on that part too. I can agree that is pretty bad to so blatantly issue the same car design. Imagine if Dodge or GM had so blatantly re-issued a car like that. The fallout would be huge.

...of course, this speaks nothing of how well the new engines will turn out, the g-shift CVT, and if any of the weight savings Honda speaks of is underneath the skin of this coupe. Doubt the coupe has anything new, but I think the sedan will be pretty interesting.

But I'm with Dom...there are positives to glean. The sedan is something to look forward to, and it'll be interesting to read how each of these vehicles drives.

And yes, I do believe its possible to have a foot in both camps. Skeptical and optimistic. I do love reading the overreactions on both sides.

Moog-Type-S

...based on what, exactly?

CarbonGray Earl

^^The unknown, Moogie...

I dunno. Not to rehash what Dom already bulletpointed, but I've read a re-engineered v6, a philosophy towards lighter weight, a smaller footprint, and a 6mt coupled with said v6.

But as we all know, it may be of the suck...and I'll be just as critical as you can be.

To be honest, I don't feel like arguing what you can argue ad nauseum with the known fanbois around here. Its more fun to spectate. The sedan may be good, it may not be good, its all fair game at this point. I'm on the fence, but I think its alright to say that what's over the fence may deserve a good look.

doopstr

Looks gangsta,

KillerG

Some of the pro- or anti-brand fanboyism on azine can be really nauseating at times, and its really obvious too...

spurfan15

Obviously not ever FMC has to be revolutionary... but considering how impressive some of the competition is in this segment these days, this is a boring evolution of the current Accord Coupe. In the looks department, it's a bit more aggressive, but I'm not sold on the F/R port-holes -- I think I would need to see them in person to make a judgement call.

On the tech side, it's nice to see they've at least caught up and aren't 5 years behind on things like 6-sp AT and the DI engine. Yet I'm really confused by the CVT.

Honda needed a home run based on the competition. That simply did not happen.

spurfan15

So the sedan will go from being a Noah's Ark class vessel to more of a Panamax variety... at least there's a bit of good news for us. Obviously we can't say what the new sedan will look like, but while the coupe was at least able to scrape by with an evolutionary design change, the sedan better be completely different. The current sedan is grotesque.

AZuser

Wonder what Honda will do for the MMC if this is considered a FMC....

Not saying the 9G is bad (except for the front and rear bumpers though they will very likely change from the actual version sold), but was hoping for a newer/different design.

Professor

^ F/R port-holes... no, no, no. Those are nacelles to be used on the Phoenix.

I can't wait to read stories on somebody sucking a cat into one.

doopstr

They really do need to fix those front and rear holes before production.

civicdrivr

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dom

I get that it looks a lot like the previous gen. But its still a good looking car IMO, and that's all that people will care about.

What has me worried at this point is Honda's tendency to dumb down the production versions and whether the sedan will look good. Lets hope they don't pull an 8th gen and uglify the sedan in comparison to the coupe.

phile

something tells me that's exactly what will happen.

phile

You can almost see it in the intro of the new Acuras. like they poured all of their time and energy into the design of NSX, then the ILX and then ran out of steam - the RDX got some vanilla styling treatment, which left no time for the Accord.

JS + XES

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100% agree with you.

AZuser

If the 9G coupe looks similar to the 8G coupe, expect the overall design of the 9G sedan to look similar to the 8G sedan just like how the 9G Civic sedan isn't much different than the 8G Civic sedan.

Design and direction of the 9G Accord likely started during the same time of the 9G Civic. There's a pattern here.

F23A4

Aesthetically, it looks like Honda had some aftermarket work done on the Accord Coupe concept that debuted back in 2007.

Anywhoooo, the jury's out on whether I take this motor over the K24Z3 in my 12 Accord:

...though I wouldnt mind the 15 lb-ft bump in torque. BTW, CVT FTL!!

F23A4

Agreed. Unfortunately, it looks like Honda was hit-by-pitch at best.

Ken1997TL

Supposedly this new CVT design eliminates many of the disadvantages (such as lag) and gives it much better feel.

Ken1997TL

I think they did the right things with the RDX overall. Based purely upon keen personal observation, most RDX's seem to be driven by empty nesters. The few I've spoken to complained about the stiff ride, poor fuel economy and too much plastic in the interior but were otherwise very happy with their purchase. Not sure how the styling changes will appeal to the demographic.