dom

For MY 06, Honda will have them standard across their entire line.

DEI99662

biker

Besides always being on the green bandwagon, Honda has decided to jump on the safety one as well.

TLWarrior

The link has photos of the 2005 Accord Sedan. Can anyone who has an '04 model tell if there have been any changes?

http://www.hondacars.com/models/exte...rDetected=True

dom

http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...ht=2005+Accord

Accord
Illuminated steering wheel controls for audio/cruise functions
Restyled alloy wheels
Side curtain airbags on ALL models
Slightly revised reverse light
Available Hybrid model

Looks like new 16" rims on the Sedan and all red tailights.

We'll keep it to one thread. Closing.

dom

Moved to Auto News since we now have pics amd more info.

iNteGraz92

green bandwagon? they started it.

ABP-CL9-TSX

I think the hybrid Accord tails look slightly better.

mg7726

hmm...green...

who needs a v8.....IMA, boyeetch!!

TSX 'R' US

Hmmm...I need to see one in person with the "new" taillights to make a judgement... They don't show too well with the red Accord...

lokman

I do not like the new taillights - first thing that came to my mind was early 90's Buick Regal. I didn't think they were that bad to begin with, but I really wish Honda had spent some more time on the front end, like the one they sell in the Asia Pacific markets.

98AccordEx

I agree that the Asian model looks better with the chrome strip at the grill and the revised bumper and fogs.
However I think theshould have restyled it with the chrome strip and less dramatic headlights (HID preferably) that don't swoop back as much. I think that look is going to get old very fast and not age well. To me, Nissan did the right thing by restyling the Altima's headlights. Honda should follow suit and style the Accords more like the TSX for a crisper look.
I think the EX V6 should come with HIDs.

Viking

here's a pic of the 2005 Honda Accord V6 Hybrid 4dr Sedan:

TSX 'R' US

Why can't the US Accord look like that? I've seen tons of pics of that on the Aussie Honda website...Looks alot better IMO.
I like those foggies alot better than the ones here..

blkngld

I'm with you there. Sometimes I think I'm the only person in the world that is more annoyed by the Accord's front styling than the back.

In fact, if the styling were more like in that pic, or like the inspire, I would probably own one right now.

pbm317

They will probably apply this front end on a refreshed 06 Accord.

Professor Gascan

I'd really like to take a spin in one of these. 100lb-ft of torque from just the electric motor should get it off the line pretty well.

iamhomin

Wow, the numbers look amazing. Now, only if they came out with a Hybrid based TSX.

sipark

Holy, the engine gets another 15 hp bump?

dom

Thats what I was wondering. Is that 255HP/232lb-ft rating with the electric engine or the output of the 3.0L alone? If its the 3.0L alone, I'd have to wonder why regular V6 Accords wouldn't have gotten the same bump.

Professor Gascan

I think the maximum power of the engine listed is for the 3.0L by itself. Notice the rpms that the electric motor makes it's power at vs the V6. I doubt the electric motor is contributing anything at the engine's 6000rpm power peak.

They probably didn't bump the regular Accord to give some separation for the numbers people, or the regular V6 is simply under-rated, which isn't that far fetched.

phile

I was going to point that out, but then I checked the ratings for the normal V6...and it produces 240hp at 6,250RPM...which means this engine is producing 15 more hp at 250 less RPM. So I think that's inclusive of the hybrid power.

sipark

ENGINE
Type: Aluminum-Alloy V-6
Displacement (cc) 2997
Bore x Stroke (mm) 86x86
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net) 255@6000
Torque (lb.-ft.@rpm) 232/5000

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ELECTRIC MOTOR / GENERATOR
Motor Type: Permanent Magnet Motor x
Power Output (kW / horsepower @ rpm) 12 kW /16 hp @ 840 rpm
Torque (lb.-ft.@rpm) 100 @ 840 rpm


But I doubt that electric motor will be doing anything when the engine is spinning at 6000 rpm.

Belzebutt

What's the price???

STL

Here a link to all the released info:
http://hondanews.com/CatID2128

STL

Did anyone else notice the cargo capacity took a noise drive from 14.0 to 11.2 cubic feet -- any that's with the Hybrid loosing the spare tire!

phile

I think that's because the battery packs are located on the back of the backseats. I didn't know it lost the spare tire, though...does that mean it gets runflats?

Lung Fu Mo Shi

Curb Weight (lbs.) 3501
Weight Distribution (lbs., front/rear) 2143/1358

Distribution 61.2%/38.8%

Not too bad. I was worried it would become unbalanced.

Dan Martin

I'm surprised they went with a 5AT and not a CVT. I don't know how this is supposed to work but I'd like to drive one to see it in action.

Lung Fu Mo Shi

I'm not. Honda's CVT is only rated up to about 150HP or so. It's nowhere near strong enough for this application.

Dan Martin

I was more curious as to how they regenerate power from a normal AT.

dom

Wow.

Autobahn

Further details were released today for the Accord Hybrid. Honda claims half a second better 0-60 and 50-70 numbers compared to the V6 Accord and of course great mileage numbers. I was planning to get a 2005 TL but have second thoughts. What's your take on it.


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Press Release
Source: American Honda Motor Co.

All New 2005 Accord Hybrid Uses Advanced Honda Hybrid Technology to Deliver V-6 Performance with Four-Cylinder Fuel Efficiency

Friday September 17, 11:44 am ET

World's First V-6 Hybrid Boasts 255 Horsepower and 30 City/37 Highway EPA Fuel Economy

TORRANCE, Calif., Sept. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- American Honda will debut the all-new Accord Hybrid, the world's first V-6-powered hybrid vehicle and Honda's third hybrid model, at dealerships nationwide on December 3, 2004. The all-new Accord Hybrid utilizes the third-generation of Honda's advanced Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) full hybrid system in combination with new Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) cylinder deactivation technology to deliver the world's best V-6 fuel efficiency -- on par with a 4-cylinder, compact class Civic -- along with highly responsive and powerful V-6 performance. With the introduction of the Accord Hybrid, Honda now becomes the first company in the world to offer three distinct hybrid models including the world's first V-6 hybrid.


"The Accord Hybrid is the first hybrid vehicle that combines superb fuel economy with truly exhilarating performance," said Tom Elliott, executive vice president of American Honda. "By applying hybrid technology to two of America's most popular vehicles, first the Civic and now the Accord, we are taking hybrids even further into the mainstream."

The Accord Hybrid achieves an estimated EPA fuel economy rating of 30mpg in the city and 37mpg on the highway, an increase of 43 percent over the current Accord V-6 in city driving and 23 percent in highway driving. In addition, the Accord Hybrid delivers 255 horsepower (versus 240hp for the Accord V-6 Sedan) with an exceptionally broad and flat torque curve for outstanding power and driving performance.

Acceleration performance from 0-60 miles per hour and from 50-70mph is reduced by one half second compared with the already powerful and sporty Accord V-6 Sedan.

The new Accord Hybrid also comes equipped with a high level of premium features and equipment including a leather interior, dual zone automatic hybrid climate control, 8-way power driver's seat, XM Satellite radio and 6-disc CD changer. In keeping with Honda's industry-leading 'Safety for Everyone' initiative, all Accord Hybrids also come equipped with a comprehensive list of advanced safety features including driver and front passenger side airbags, first and second row side curtain airbags, four-wheel anti-lock brakes (ABS) and Traction Control System (TCS). An exclusive rear deck lid spoiler and specially designed alloy wheels contribute to the Accord Hybrid's improved aerodynamic performance.

The Accord Hybrid's instrument panel incorporates an exclusive meter display that shows key operating indicators of the IMA system, including the state of the IMA battery charge, the level of IMA motor assist or charge, and a light to indicate Idle Stop mode. There is also an "ECO" light to indicate that the vehicle is achieving a high level of fuel economy and the VCM is operating in 3-cylinder mode.

To further improve overall fuel efficiency and maintain precise and responsive handling, the Accord Hybrid utilizes a number of exclusive weight saving features including a lightweight aluminum hood and bumper beams (front and rear), along with a magnesium engine head cover and dual-stage intake manifold. Other fuel saving features include an Electric Power Steering (EPS) system -- like the one used on the high-performance S2000 sports car -- and a new more efficient dual scroll "hybrid" air conditioning compressor.

Third Generation IMA System and i-VTEC with VCM

Honda's third generation Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) system is improved in virtually every area including increased motor output, improved battery performance and greater total system efficiency. Compared to the Civic Hybrid, IMA motor torque output is improved by 26 percent during startup and is more than doubled during driving to 100 lb.-ft. from 46 lb.-ft. Also, battery output density increases by 45 percent while battery assist power increases by 20 percent. Regenerative braking efficiency is up 11 percent.

The Accord Hybrid's 3.0-liter i-VTEC V-6 engine has the same 3.0-liter displacement as the regular Accord V-6, but employs a number of unique features including a dual-stage intake manifold and a high-performance lock-up torque converter. A new, more compact 5-speed automatic transmission with an electric oil pump is designed to provide smooth start-up from Idle Stop, and helps allow for packaging of the engine, IMA motor, engine torque converter and automatic transmission. Adding to overall efficiency is a "hybrid" air conditioning compressor that runs on both the gasoline engine and the IMA battery and provides for good air conditioning performance even when the engine is in Idle Stop mode.

IMA, VCM and Idle Stop Operation

The IMA system's 12-kilowatt, high-output, electric motor contributes more than 100 lb.-ft. of torque to the Accord Hybrid's 3.0-liter V-6 engine during hard acceleration and recaptures kinetic energy generated during deceleration and braking for storage in the IMA system's advanced nickel-metal hydride battery pack. When cruising at steady speeds where less engine power is required, the VCM system deactivates the V-6 engine's rear bank of cylinders, closing both the intake and exhaust valves for reduced fuel consumption.

Under light acceleration from a cruising state, the IMA motor can provide power assistance to the engine in three-cylinder mode. When coming to a stop, the IMA system shuts off the vehicle's engine at speeds below 10mph to reduce fuel consumption and exhaust emissions. At the moment the driver releases the brake pedal, the IMA motor instantaneously restarts the gasoline engine.

Honda Hybrid Leadership

Honda has long been at the leading edge of new automotive technologies, especially in the area of improved fuel economy and reduced emissions. With the introduction of the Insight in December 1999, Honda became the first company to sell a hybrid vehicle in the U.S. With an aluminum body, ultra-efficient IMA powertrain and world-class aerodynamics, the Insight has held the title of America's most fuel-efficient car for each of the past five model years (2000-2004). In March 2002, Honda applied its hybrid technology to the Civic, America's best-selling compact car. The Civic Hybrid accounted for half of all new hybrid vehicle registrations in calendar year 2003 and took two of the top five spots on the EPA's model year 2004 fuel economy rankings. Sales of the Civic Hybrid are up 16 percent to 17,805 units through the end of August this year.

Honda Accord History

Since its introduction as a compact hatchback car in 1976, the Honda Accord has earned widespread acclaim as a leader in smart design, superb quality and world-class efficiency. In its 28-year history, the Accord has constantly re-invented itself, going from the original compact hatchback to today's mid-sized sedan and coupe. The seventh-generation Accord, released in 2003, once again raised the bar for performance, safety and value in its class with a highly efficient and powerful 3.0-liter, 240-horsepower VTEC V-6 engine, standard anti-lock brakes (ABS) and standard features such as tilt-telescoping steering, air conditioning, power windows, mirrors and door locks, and an AM/FM/CD stereo. In addition, the seventh-generation Accord was one of the first mid-sized sedans to bring luxury features such as a voice-activated navigation system, XM satellite radio and side curtain airbags to the premium mid-size segment.



Source: American Honda Motor Co.

icex731

insane....need to get me one of those

rets

This thread will be moved to Auto News tomorrow.

Brokedoc

What in the world is this?

If being green is important to you the hybrid Accord will definitely be a better choice for you than the TL.

The TL will still top the hybrid Accord in terms of performance and luxury (255 HP vs TL 270 HP).

I expect the hybrid Accord to be in high demand like the Toyota Prius, have a long waiting list, and sell at sticker or above (so you may not save a lot of $$ compared to the TL).

AsianRage

The Accord still look very ugly. They should try it on the TL...

neuronbob

The Accord is not merely ugly, it's FUGLY. I'm sure there will be a TL hybrid next year. It's already ULEV, why not go the extra mile?

STL

No runflats -- sounds like a glorified can of fix-a-flat instead.

HondaOnly

Take it from a guy who's about to his Accord for the TL, skip the Accord. The current model is not good looking and the 05 model looks worse because of the redone tail lights. I got the Accord cause I thought the TL wasn't worth it. Now everytime I see a TL, I less my Accord less. I'm telling you. Skip the Accord.