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Old 09-27-2018, 12:22 PM
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No downpipe or exhaust?

Something doesn't seem exactly right.
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Originally Posted by justnspace
just looked... '15 GT 6MT for $19,999.
Boost that motherfather and have a monster
Dude yeah....20k + 6400....26400...lowest cost to get to 800 crank hp? Insane for under 30k.

But as many said....you're gonna need lot of other supporting mods to actually put that 800hp down.....suspension/tranny/tires/etc.etc.
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Hey, yeah, you’re right. I didn’t even consider the catback exhaust or additional exhaust piping. I knew I was forgetting something.

Something makes me want to call bs on the 800hp claim. With an entire exhaust, that car would then be pushing something like 850hp. Is that crank rated, or wheel rated? I don’t remember them indicating either way. Must be crank. Otherwise it’s a 900+ HP car, if it’s rated at the wheels... and you know that stock exhaust would be utterly choking the engine.

Also, this being done on new mustangs... so I’m guessing people are willingly voiding their powertrain and drivetrain warranty before even leaving the lot?

Justin said it right. Buy a slightly older car- at 3 years old you know the engine and transmission are fine. Save a ton of cash. Slap this kit on it, and go. And still have money left over to mod everything else that needs attention.
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Yeah, was reading that the 2018 Mustangs are having trans issues with the 10 speed AT....not good combo to add 800 crank hp to that lol...
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Pffh huge waste of money to buy an automatic Mustang anyway.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/273890/f...ang-four-door/

Ford’s plans to reshuffle its entire model lineup in the United States and focus on SUVs, crossovers, and pickups are no longer a secret, but, apparently, the only car name to survive at this side of the pond, the Mustang, will have a much more important role than initially believed. Aside from the standard Mustang two-door sports car, Ford is allegedly planning to offer a four-door Mustang coupe-style sedan to its customers.

During a major meeting with dealers earlier this month, where Ford previewed the 2020 Shelby GT500, the automaker also dropped “a few major hints” about the future of the Mustang, according to Mustang 6G. The most interesting part of the presentation included information about a four-door Mustang powered by a turbo V8 engine and aimed against the Porsche Panamera, Audi A7, and the likes.

That’s virtually all the information we have so far, but Mustang 6G claims this is a separate vehicle from the all-electric SUV, which was announced earlier this year. It won't be named Mach1 and is set to take design cues from the current Mustang, and we even have a pretty good idea of what it could look like.

It is also reported the V8 of the still unconfirmed new Mustang will go turbocharged using technologies similar to the ones seen in the smaller EcoBoost motors. The 5.0-liter unit should adopt a twin-turbo layout with one turbocharger for each cylinder bank.

Logic tells us, if the four-door, twin-turbo Mustang receives the production green light, we will probably have to wait until the next generation Mustang arrives to see it. Also, we wouldn’t rule out seeing the turbo V8 under the hood of the two-door Mustang at some point.
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Take my money. I'll buy one. Would need AWD though.
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Take my money. I'll buy one. Would need AWD though.
I would absolutely buy an EcoBoost GranMustang.
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Not bad...I'd still get a Charger, though.
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It had to happen. You didn't thinkFord was going to sit around in Dearborn, Michigan, gnawing on chicken shawarma sandwiches while its competitors built Hellcats and ZL1s, did you? Carmakers might be dumping increasingly large loads of money into ride-sharing schemes and electric cars, but meanwhile the big-boy pony cars are playing with 700-plus horsepower. Seven-hundred-plus horsepower. Think about that for a second. The Le Mans–class-winning, half-million-dollar Ford GT makes 647 horsepower. A $300,000 McLaren 720S only just crests the 700-hp summit. And the Porsche 911 Turbo S produces a paltry 580.

So, yes, Ford has launched the latest salvo in this power war with the 2020 Shelby GT500. It is what longtime Mustang designer Melvin Betancourt describes as the model line's "holy shit" car. Holy shit indeed.

The supercharged V-8 thumper makes—drum roll, please—"700-plus" horsepower. Ford won't say precisely what the GT500 will be rated at and claims it won't have official numbers until this summer, mere months before the vehicle goes on sale. But it doesn't make much sense for Ford to produce a vehicle that makes less power than its main adversaries. The Blue Oval will need to best the output of Chevy's 650-hp Camaro ZL1 and the Dodge Challenger's updated 717-hp Hellcat. We're guessing that the GT500 will come in around its rumored 720 horsepower and pump out in the neighborhood of 650 pound-feet of torque.

Whatever the numbers, they'll come from a supercharged DOHC 5.2-liter V-8 derived from the one-rung-lower GT350's engine. The GT500's shares the lesser Shelby's 94.0-millimeter bore and 93.0-millimeter stroke but not its flat-plane crankshaft, and it redlines at 7500 rpm, 700 lower than the naturally aspirated engine. But who needs insane revs when an Eaton TVS R2650 supercharger is nestled atop the engine? It's the same 2.7-liter unit used in the 755-hp Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 and crams 12 psi of boost into an internally strengthened V-8. The engine has a new cast-aluminum structural oil pan, which has both static baffles and hinged doors that open and close under high g-forces to fend off oil starvation. Ford Performance chief functional engineer Ed Krenz says this allows for sustained track survivability without a dry-sump system. Likewise, says Krenz, the upgraded cooling package compared with a GT350 will keep the engine happy on long track runs. It includes an air-to-liquid intercooler mounted atop the supercharger, an upgraded radiator, an engine-oil cooler, and a transmission-oil cooler.

Torque flows to a Tremec-sourced seven-speed dual-clutch transmission developed for this application. There will be no manual. Krenz claims that the transmission is capable of shifts in about a tenth of a second; roughly what a Porsche PDK can do and about twice as quick as shifts from the Chevy ZL1's optional 10-speed automatic. The dual-clutch will respond differently depending on the drive mode selected. Drag mode will deliver shifts with no torque interruption, and Track mode will take steering angle, among other parameters, into account to prevent an abrupt shift that could destabilize the car. It can be left in automatic mode or controlled via magnesium shift paddles. Predictably, the software includes launch control and a line-lock feature. Power routes rearward through a carbon-fiber driveshaft to a Torsen limited-slip rear end carrying 3.73:1 gears and out to the wheels via beefed-up half-shafts and CV joints. Exhaust gases exit through four tailpipes, each a girthy five inches in diameter.

Ford is adamant that, unlike previous iterations, this GT500 will go left and right just as well as it proceeds in a straight line. Using the brilliant-handling GT350 as a basis for the big-power car is a good start. It will carry the same basic strut front and multilink rear suspensions as the GT350. But in addition to using stiffer springs, fatter anti-roll bars, and retuned magnetorheological dampers, the GT500's front suspension has revised geometry aimed at reducing the tramlining that's omnipresent in the GT350—we expect that the GT350 will also receive this modification soon. The increased stiffness helps to manage the GT500's greater mass compared with the GT350 and the increased unsprung weight of the standard 20-inch wheel-and-tire package. The standard wheels are aluminum and wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 4S summer tires, sized 305/30ZR-20 in front and 315/30ZR-20 in the rear. The optional Carbon Fiber Track package brings carbon-fiber wheels wearing Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 track tires, an adjustable carbon-fiber wing, a rear-seat delete, and dive planes up front. All GT500s carry a strut-tower brace made of an elaborate magnesium latticework. The 20-inch wheels were necessitated by the standard two-piece iron-and-aluminum brake rotors. Measuring 16.5 inches, the front rotors are grabbed by six-piston Brembo calipers. The rears are 14.6 inches in diameter and carry four-piston calipers.

Apart from a new rear diffuser and different optional wings, the GT500 is little different from a GT350 from the A-pillar rearward. Forward of the A-pillar, though, pretty much everything is new. The front fenders, made of sheet molding compound (SMC), are 0.4 inch wider on each side to make room for the front rubber. The power-bulge hood that accommodates the increased height of the engine is also made of SMC and incorporates hood pins and a massive vent to exhaust hot air from the engine bay and reduce aerodynamic lift on the nose. This huge (31-by-28-inch) opening is why the GT500, unlike the GT350, has an enclosed intake element; gotta keep it dry. Ford also includes a removable rain tray. Pull it out for maximum air extraction; insert it for minimum water intrusion. The gaping maw is underlined by a big splitter.

Ford says the GT500 will do zero to 60 in the mid-three-second range, which we think might be a bit conservative (an automatic ZL1 will do a 3.4). The company further claims a quarter-mile run of less than 11 seconds, a good half-second quicker than the ZL1. In both performance parameters, the GT500 should trounce the Hellcat. Yes, even the 797-hp Hellcat Redeye Widebody. Advantage: Ford.



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The dick swinging contest is fun and all, great for consumers. I still prefer just the GT350R. More than enough power.

No doubt the electronics will help keep things under control, but the aero won't be able to keep up. This turns the GT350 from a track weapon to a drag queen for me, pun intended.
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I'd be plenty happy with just a GT350. About the only Mustang I have any real desire for in the last 10 years or so.

My friend's dad bought an '07 Roush 427R that was a blast to drive & did more than run in a straight line.
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Beautiful exhaust note. And that whine...

Too bad no manual.

But yeah, the GT350 with the flat-plane crank is plenty.
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Originally Posted by Costco
The dick swinging contest is fun and all, great for consumers. I still prefer just the GT350R. More than enough power.

No doubt the electronics will help keep things under control, but the aero won't be able to keep up. This turns the GT350 from a track weapon to a drag queen for me, pun intended.
And it's gonna be heavy AF.

People love the motor and suspension of the GT 350/R but its portly weight is usually downplayed or not mentioned. 3700-3800lbs.

Wouldn't be surprised if the GT500 is at 3900-4000lbs or so.
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This thing is epic. I don't even care about the weight. My favorite part is that it'll hopefully drive down the price of the GT350.
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Yeah well when this hits dealers, the markup is going to be insane.

Wouldn't be surprised to see 50k or more markup above MSRP.

Should help further calm the craze over the GT 350 for sure though...
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Also I noticed they didn't go with the "facelift" Mustang styling, thank god.
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Definitely, unless Ford reels dealers in like Dodge did on the Hellcats & gives more allocation to non-markup dealers.
But, looking at Focus RS & Raptors, markups a-plenty.
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Originally Posted by Costco
The dick swinging contest is fun and all, great for consumers. I still prefer just the GT350R. More than enough power.

No doubt the electronics will help keep things under control, but the aero won't be able to keep up. This turns the GT350 from a track weapon to a drag queen for me, pun intended.
Doesn't even matter, that's not the point of the car. There won't be many, if any, people that track this car. It's made to make a fuck ton of noise and go really fast, that's about it. Muscle cars have always been a dick swinging contest, it's part of their appeal.

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Definitely, unless Ford reels dealers in like Dodge did on the Hellcats & gives more allocation to non-markup dealers.
But, looking at Focus RS & Raptors, markups a-plenty.
Yup. I'm not sure if they're still marking up Raptors but many dealers ate crow on the RS models after having them sit on the lot for MONTHS at a markup.

Edit: Just looked and there are STILL 2017 Focus RS models sitting on dealer lots as new cars. Right now there are more 2017 Focus RS (there's even one 2016 lol) units on lots around the country than 2018 Golf R's.

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Checked my local Ford dealer. No RS in stock, and they have 4 ST.
No markups on the few Raptors I checked. At least none listed on the website like they used to have. Not to say there wouldn't be one on the windshield.

They have a $30k markup on a Bullitt Mustang!?!?
MSRP: $51,760
Sale Price: $81,760
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The GT350R is still plenty of car ands sounds amazing as well. Best looking mustang I think in the last 10 years.

That being said damn the exhaust note of the GT500
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Checked my local Ford dealer. No RS in stock, and they have 4 ST.
No markups on the few Raptors I checked. At least none listed on the website like they used to have. Not to say there wouldn't be one on the windshield.

They have a $30k markup on a Bullitt Mustang!?!?
MSRP: $51,760
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One would have to have an epic hard on for Steve McQueen to spend $80k on a Bullitt Mustang... I'm not even sure these go down as collector cars, they're just special editions.
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No different than the last (2003?) Bullitt, IMO, except they were green only. A Black Bullitt seems wrong
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I immediately looked up inventory for the GT350 and RS. A few GT350s for sale around here at the upper $50k to lower $60k range. And yep, still some 2017 Focus RS for sale. All of them blue except for one white 2016 (which is what Sam probably saw) at ironically a Ford dealer really close by to me. And at a big markdown. $38k, but gosh has it been sitting there.

And damn I think the Bullitt is ugly.
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Uh, wow. Link to start at 4:21 didn't make it start then, so skip ahead.

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Originally Posted by RPhilMan1
I immediately looked up inventory for the GT350 and RS. A few GT350s for sale around here at the upper $50k to lower $60k range. And yep, still some 2017 Focus RS for sale. All of them blue except for one white 2016 (which is what Sam probably saw) at ironically a Ford dealer really close by to me. And at a big markdown. $38k, but gosh has it been sitting there.

And damn I think the Bullitt is ugly.
Where were you looking? The majority of the leftover RS's that I looked at were black.

In any case, you could probably toss them an offer of like $34k and they'd probably take it.
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Where were you looking? The majority of the leftover RS's that I looked at were black.

In any case, you could probably toss them an offer of like $34k and they'd probably take it.
I was looking within 100 miles of my zipcode. The white example was at Schaumburg Ford.
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I was looking within 100 miles of my zipcode. The white example was at Schaumburg Ford.
Ah ok. If you widen your search a bit you'll find some sitting at $34k-$36k easily. Just FYI, I know that ST is getting might old...
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Ah ok. If you widen your search a bit you'll find some sitting at $34k-$36k easily. Just FYI, I know that ST is getting might old...
Coming up on 79,000 miles.

But we just bought the wife the CR-V Touring in September so I think I'm going to try to hold out another couple of years. Maybe go up the next bracket to something luxury performance with a manual transmission. We'll see what the hot hatch market looks like then, too.

I joked about getting a Mustang but really now would be the most appropriate time to get one while we still don't have kids yet. Hmm wonder what pricing for the GT350 will be like... but also that would kind of suck daily driving during the winter, even with snow tires. And if gas goes back up.
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Coming up on 79,000 miles.

But we just bought the wife the CR-V Touring in September so I think I'm going to try to hold out another couple of years. Maybe go up the next bracket to something luxury performance with a manual transmission. We'll see what the hot hatch market looks like then, too.

I joked about getting a Mustang but really now would be the most appropriate time to get one while we still don't have kids yet. Hmm wonder what pricing for the GT350 will be like... but also that would kind of suck daily driving during the winter, even with snow tires. And if gas goes back up.
I can’t believe you only have 79,000 miles! We bought our STs around the same time and I have probably put over 150,000 miles on my various cars since then.
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I can’t believe you only have 79,000 miles! We bought our STs around the same time and I have probably put over 150,000 miles on my various cars since then.
You drive more than me! And you take longer road trips. The farthest I've gone in the ST is ~1000 miles round trip to Omaha and back. I have driven several times to Milwaukee and Sheboygan but that's not too far. I say I drive about the average amount - I took delivery in December 2012 so six years later that's only an average of about 13,167 miles per year. I'm also driving less on weekends and such now that we take the CR-V all the time. The remote start is really really nice during winter.

And hey, it goes to show how great the ST has been with over six years of turbo smiles and absolutely no issues at all.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/305461/2...-new-ecoboost/

Official NHTSA document suggests Ford is looking to bridge the gap between the base EcoBoost and the V8.

As it stands, there’s a massive gap in terms of power between the Ford Mustang EcoBoost and the beefier GT, with the two being separated by no less than 125 ponies. Not to worry as the Blue Oval might be working on a third variation of the ‘Stang to slot between the two flavors of its beloved sports car. Hagerty has discovered a document filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that could serve as a clue in regards to a mid-range Mustang in the works for the 2020 model year.

The adjacent document provides VIN decoder information and shows the 2020 Mustang as having two versions of the turbocharged four-cylinder 2.3-liter engine. One of them is the standard 310-horsepower output, while the other is a “TBD” output. With good reason, Hagerty speculates Ford is looking to up the pony power ante to allow the Mustang better compete with the Chevy Camaro and its 3.6-liter V6 engine pumping out 335 hp.

It should be easy-peasy for the folks from Dearborn to extract more oomph from the EcoBoost engine taking into account the 350-horsepower Focus RS uses the same engine. Of course, this is all speculation at the time being, but even Ford hints it’s cooking up something, with a company spokesman declaring the automaker “is always elevating Mustang and will share more exciting news this spring.”

Considering the entry-level Mustang kicks off at $26,395 while the cheapest V8 is $35,355, Ford has plenty of room to squeeze in a mid-range model to bridge the current $8,960 gap between the two models.

With spring inching closer, we won’t have to wait much longer to find out what Ford has in tow for the 2020MY Mustang. By the way, we’re still waiting for the final output numbers for the Shelby GT500, although “over 700 horsepower” already sounds extremely appealing.
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Surely the 2.7 or 3.5 EcoBoost would fit in a Mustang?
Plenty of power, though not rev-happy engines.
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They could put the 2.7L in it, yeah.

I don't see them giving the Mustang the 3.5 though, would come awful close to the V8 considering it's a V6. Which would be blasphemy.
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I think the 2.7 could work, would just depend on how it serves in sports car duty, since the closest it gets is the Fusion Sport.

The 3.5EB is probably a non-starter, as I could see it easily being tuned/upgraded well beyond the Coyote.
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Originally Posted by Costco
They could put the 2.7L in it, yeah.

I don't see them giving the Mustang the 3.5 though, would come awful close to the V8 considering it's a V6. Which would be blasphemy.
They did exactly that in the F150...


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