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The S-class is pretty close to that.Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
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A very nice sensible sporty version of a family car - too bad it won't be available in the US.
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Actually, no, there wouldn't be. The foreign marques are enjoying a great break in that the dollar is very weak vs. the Euro right now. If there was ever a time for Ford to bring this car here it's now. That's not the problem though. This car isn't made to U.S. safety standards, and it may be cost prohibitive to retrofit the car to meet those standards. I know that Europe has recently passed more stringent safety standards too, especially for walking passenger protection (hence the higher hoods on alot of new Euro cars), but they may not be the same as those in the States. Originally Posted by TommySalami
Wouldn't there for some reason be a huge price increase if they brought it over here? I don't know why though, but I'm sure it could be overcome
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Yeah. That's what it looks like to me... very hot indeed. Originally Posted by phile
That's hot. What is that, black piano lacquer in the interior?
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This car makes me so happy, yet so sad at the same time.
A car that i would love to own, and yet will probably never get to.
...because the NA Ford peeps are braindead.
A car that i would love to own, and yet will probably never get to.
...because the NA Ford peeps are braindead.
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You got it all backwards - this is the worst time to bring this car over, financially. The car is made in Europe and has fixed costs in euros. The higher the value of the euro the more expensive it is in dollars. When the exchange rate was roughly 1:1 and this car cost Ford 15,000 euros to build (and sold it for 20K euros) it would have cost Ford about $20K to bring it over ($15K+$5K to make it Americanized) - now, with 1:1.5 exchange rate that same car would cost Ford $27.5K to bring over ($22.5K+$5K). Even under the Mercury brand they'd have a tough time selling the car for 30K+. The only way to get around this is to make in the US - and even then it would be more expensive than say a Taurus because it uses more expensive parts. Of course they could then cheapen out on the parts - and you end up with a Fusion. Originally Posted by titan
Actually, no, there wouldn't be. The foreign marques are enjoying a great break in that the dollar is very weak vs. the Euro right now. If there was ever a time for Ford to bring this car here it's now. That's not the problem though.
GM is probably losing money bringing the Astra over since it has fixed costs in euros at the Belgian plant that makes it.
Where the BMWs of the world make up some of the shortfall is when they export an X5 to Europe - it costs them $40K (27K euros) to make in SC but can sell it for 50K euros ($75K) in Europe.
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^ Which is why Audi is actively looking for US manf plants.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/audi-yea...bly-plant.html
http://www.leftlanenews.com/audi-yea...bly-plant.html
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and aren't BMW looking to build more cars here too?
Considering they have a plant in South Africa making 3 series I don't see why they wouldn't have one in the US - the math must be there when they sell 100K+ cars a year.
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Holy fawk. 
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Fixed.Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
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And remember everyone: Ford NA hates you.
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I dunno 'bout that...see the Focus thread Originally Posted by Yumchah
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Fine. Ford NA sorta hates you.Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I dunno 'bout that...see the Focus thread
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Perhaps they will soon learn to love us...:gheyhug:Originally Posted by Yumchah
Fine. Ford NA sorta hates you.
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Holy fawk. Originally Posted by Yumchah
Holy fawk.
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My jaw actually dropped! Originally Posted by Yumchah
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+2. The best way to turn the tide on on NA's slumping sales is bringing over more and more of this hot ass product. I may finally bring some luster back to the blue oval's brand... Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
Holy fawk. +1.
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Fixed. Go with the flow of the thread, you nimrod. Originally Posted by agranado
Holy fawk + 2.
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2012? Whatever. Ford might not even be around in 2012.
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The lustre was never gone.....it just moved to Europe. Originally Posted by titan
+2. The best way to turn the tide on on NA's slumping sales is bringing over more and more of this hot ass product. I may finally bring some luster back to the blue oval's brand...
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That's right, the world is going to end in 2012.Originally Posted by charliemike
2012? Whatever. Ford might not even be around in 2012.
I saw a new Euro Mazda 6 yesterday and keep thinking - what kind of focus groups does Ford or any other car maker use to keep giving the US market these "other" designs that seem nowhere as good as Euro ones. Car forums like this one must be way out of the mainstream 
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msl82? diaf.Originally Posted by charliemike
2012? Whatever. Ford might not even be around in 2012.
I showed this to my die-hard Blue Oval-4-life auto teacher and he was like what is that? That's cool man! How come they don't have that over here?
Way better than the Fusion!
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Fixed. Go with the flow of the thread, you nimrod.
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I showed this to my die-hard Blue Oval-4-life auto teacher and he was like what is that? That's cool man! How come they don't have that over here?
Way better than the Fusion!
I wasn't saying that to be snarky ... Ford is in some serious financial difficulty. It's stock price is $5.97 right now. The very models that have been keeping it alive are now unsellable (trucks/SUVs) ... Jeezus. Tough crowd! Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
msl82? diaf.I showed this to my die-hard Blue Oval-4-life auto teacher and he was like what is that? That's cool man! How come they don't have that over here?
Way better than the Fusion!
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i would love to be part of a focus group just to see wht kind of shitty design they're showing and gauging reactions for.Originally Posted by biker
I saw a new Euro Mazda 6 yesterday and keep thinking - what kind of focus groups does Ford or any other car maker use to keep giving the US market these "other" designs that seem nowhere as good as Euro ones. Car forums like this one must be way out of the mainstream
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Runs on petrol, bio-ethanol, and LPG...
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Ford has announced plans to introduce a new tri-fuel version of the Mondeo at this month's Leipzig Motor Show in Germany. Available in sedan, hatchback, and wagon form, the new Mondeo is capable of running on gasoline, bio-ethanol, and LPG.
Under the hood resides a tweaked version of Ford's 2.0-liter Duratec engine that receives fuel from two independent gas tanks, one for petrol and bio-ethanol while the other is reserved for LPG. When running on gasoline or bio-ethanol, the engine has an output of 145hp compared to 141hp when the driver decides to use LPG instead.
Thanks to the use of LPG, the sedan and hatchback can travel up to 460 km (286 miles) while the wagon has an estimated range of 380 km (236 miles). However should a driver decided to forgo the use LPG for more traditional petrol or bio-ethanol, they can expect a range of about 850 km (529 miles) in all three versions. Perhaps the greatest benefit of the twin tank system is the fact that when both tanks are filled with their respective fuels, a driver can travel over an astounding 1,200 km (746 miles).
The new tri-fuel Mondeo will go on sale in select European markets starting in April, with German pricing starting at €27,500.
Ford has announced plans to introduce a new tri-fuel version of the Mondeo at this month's Leipzig Motor Show in Germany. Available in sedan, hatchback, and wagon form, the new Mondeo is capable of running on gasoline, bio-ethanol, and LPG.
Under the hood resides a tweaked version of Ford's 2.0-liter Duratec engine that receives fuel from two independent gas tanks, one for petrol and bio-ethanol while the other is reserved for LPG. When running on gasoline or bio-ethanol, the engine has an output of 145hp compared to 141hp when the driver decides to use LPG instead.
Thanks to the use of LPG, the sedan and hatchback can travel up to 460 km (286 miles) while the wagon has an estimated range of 380 km (236 miles). However should a driver decided to forgo the use LPG for more traditional petrol or bio-ethanol, they can expect a range of about 850 km (529 miles) in all three versions. Perhaps the greatest benefit of the twin tank system is the fact that when both tanks are filled with their respective fuels, a driver can travel over an astounding 1,200 km (746 miles).
The new tri-fuel Mondeo will go on sale in select European markets starting in April, with German pricing starting at €27,500.
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Cool tech...but where are you gonna find two out of the three fuels conveniently?
Cool tech...but where are you gonna find two out of the three fuels conveniently?
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After almost three decades, Ford will cease production of the Mondeo next March in yet another retreat from the passenger car segment in Europe. The culprit, once again, is the shift toward SUVs and crossovers among car buyers that has placed once-safe segments into jeopardy, even among models developed as global offerings. This means that Ford will be without a midsize sedan model in Europe and a number of other markets, just as its two smaller hatchbacks, the Focus and Fiesta, also approach the end of their product cycles there.
Offered in sedan and station wagon form, the Mondeo has seen five generations since its debut in 1993, and was originally offered stateside as the Ford Contour and the Mercury Mystique. Later, the Mondeo took the form of the Ford Fusion, which was finally axed in North America last July. The end of Fusion production effectively closed the door on Ford's sedan offerings in the US, with Taurus production having ended about a year and a half prior. Ford had announced that it would phase out most of its passenger cars in favor of crossovers and SUVs.
The planned end of Mondeo production in Europe is merely a continuation of that trend. Even successful sedans like the Honda Accord have had to dial back production to meet declining demand.
The impending end of the line for the Mondeo again puts the spotlight on the possible crossover alternatives, which in Europe are a more varied bunch and include models like the Puma, a subcompact crossover that isn't offered stateside. The Valencia, Spain, plant that produced the Mondeo for the European market plans to switch to SUV production, so the Puma might soon see some siblings as Ford fills out its European lineup.
Is this the end of all Ford sedans?
Not quite, because there's still the Chinese market, which has been particularly receptive to this body style for quite some time—and also offers the Escort and Focus sedans. That's right, the Escort returned a couple of years ago as a China-only model, but the Mondeo will stay in production there as well, as will a modernized version of the Taurus, which is also produced locally. This means that China currently has four Ford sedans to choose from, while the US has zero. It's not a picture that many would have predicted a short 10 years ago. The bigger question may be just how much longer the Chinese market will remain welcoming to sedans.
Ford Kills off Its Last Midsize Sedan in Europe (autoweek.com)After almost three decades, Ford will cease production of the Mondeo next March in yet another retreat from the passenger car segment in Europe. The culprit, once again, is the shift toward SUVs and crossovers among car buyers that has placed once-safe segments into jeopardy, even among models developed as global offerings. This means that Ford will be without a midsize sedan model in Europe and a number of other markets, just as its two smaller hatchbacks, the Focus and Fiesta, also approach the end of their product cycles there.
Offered in sedan and station wagon form, the Mondeo has seen five generations since its debut in 1993, and was originally offered stateside as the Ford Contour and the Mercury Mystique. Later, the Mondeo took the form of the Ford Fusion, which was finally axed in North America last July. The end of Fusion production effectively closed the door on Ford's sedan offerings in the US, with Taurus production having ended about a year and a half prior. Ford had announced that it would phase out most of its passenger cars in favor of crossovers and SUVs.
The planned end of Mondeo production in Europe is merely a continuation of that trend. Even successful sedans like the Honda Accord have had to dial back production to meet declining demand.
The impending end of the line for the Mondeo again puts the spotlight on the possible crossover alternatives, which in Europe are a more varied bunch and include models like the Puma, a subcompact crossover that isn't offered stateside. The Valencia, Spain, plant that produced the Mondeo for the European market plans to switch to SUV production, so the Puma might soon see some siblings as Ford fills out its European lineup.
Is this the end of all Ford sedans?
Not quite, because there's still the Chinese market, which has been particularly receptive to this body style for quite some time—and also offers the Escort and Focus sedans. That's right, the Escort returned a couple of years ago as a China-only model, but the Mondeo will stay in production there as well, as will a modernized version of the Taurus, which is also produced locally. This means that China currently has four Ford sedans to choose from, while the US has zero. It's not a picture that many would have predicted a short 10 years ago. The bigger question may be just how much longer the Chinese market will remain welcoming to sedans.
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While Ford will discontinue the Mondeo after March 2022 in Europe, and the Blue Oval's first “world car” will go down in history due to "changing customer preference," it appears there is a new Mondeo in town. This time, the leaked 2022 Ford Mondeo is a China-only special, and its look has been revealed after these images were posted on China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology website.
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As you can observe, the 2022 Ford Mondeo looks like a sedan version of the Evos, another model that will only be sold in China. Blue Oval fans have seen the all-new Ford Evos as it debuted at the 2021 Shanghai Auto Show. Well, the 2022 Mondeo seems to have come from the same tree.
The front end has a large grille, but with a small license plate holder. The headlights look just like the ones on the Evos, complete with the part that links them above the front grille. However, the front bumper does seem a bit tamer than the one on the Evos.
As we move on to the side, this begins to look more like a Mondeo, but still has that Evos touch. The wheels seem to come straight from the ongoing Mondeo/Fusion, while the rubber scratch guards on the doors provide that company car vibe, which is underlined by the snow-white paint.
A significant difference between the Evos and the Chinese Mondeo is near the C-pillar, which is not raised towards the rear of the vehicle on the Mondeo. Instead, the designers did add a small “crease” on the rear fender, which matches the one on the front fender that stops at the side mirrors. Some automotive designers refer to these elements as the "shoulders” of the vehicle.
When viewed from the back, the 2022 Ford Mondeo for China features a set of thin taillights, just like the prototype that our spy photographers caught while testing just last month. From the same prototype, we know that this is not an all-electric vehicle, as it had a set of tailpipes, which can be seen on this model as well, if we take a close look just under the bumper.
Ford designers placed a set of fake exhaust ornaments under the rear reflectors, possibly as a styling trick to make the rear bumper look a bit more interesting. Unfortunately, the leaked photos we found online did not include any image of the interior, so we added one from the Evos presentation to give you a general idea of what to expect.
Mind you, do not expect to see the 2022 Ford Mondeo pictured in the photo gallery sold anywhere outside of China. According to previous statements made by Ford officials, this will not be the case. Demand for sedans has dropped in the U.S. and in Europe, so the Blue Oval's decision does make sense.
Are You the All-New Ford Mondeo? Leaked Images Show Upcoming Sedan for China - autoevolutionWhile Ford will discontinue the Mondeo after March 2022 in Europe, and the Blue Oval's first “world car” will go down in history due to "changing customer preference," it appears there is a new Mondeo in town. This time, the leaked 2022 Ford Mondeo is a China-only special, and its look has been revealed after these images were posted on China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology website.
26 photosAs you can observe, the 2022 Ford Mondeo looks like a sedan version of the Evos, another model that will only be sold in China. Blue Oval fans have seen the all-new Ford Evos as it debuted at the 2021 Shanghai Auto Show. Well, the 2022 Mondeo seems to have come from the same tree.
The front end has a large grille, but with a small license plate holder. The headlights look just like the ones on the Evos, complete with the part that links them above the front grille. However, the front bumper does seem a bit tamer than the one on the Evos.
As we move on to the side, this begins to look more like a Mondeo, but still has that Evos touch. The wheels seem to come straight from the ongoing Mondeo/Fusion, while the rubber scratch guards on the doors provide that company car vibe, which is underlined by the snow-white paint.
A significant difference between the Evos and the Chinese Mondeo is near the C-pillar, which is not raised towards the rear of the vehicle on the Mondeo. Instead, the designers did add a small “crease” on the rear fender, which matches the one on the front fender that stops at the side mirrors. Some automotive designers refer to these elements as the "shoulders” of the vehicle.
When viewed from the back, the 2022 Ford Mondeo for China features a set of thin taillights, just like the prototype that our spy photographers caught while testing just last month. From the same prototype, we know that this is not an all-electric vehicle, as it had a set of tailpipes, which can be seen on this model as well, if we take a close look just under the bumper.
Ford designers placed a set of fake exhaust ornaments under the rear reflectors, possibly as a styling trick to make the rear bumper look a bit more interesting. Unfortunately, the leaked photos we found online did not include any image of the interior, so we added one from the Evos presentation to give you a general idea of what to expect.
Mind you, do not expect to see the 2022 Ford Mondeo pictured in the photo gallery sold anywhere outside of China. According to previous statements made by Ford officials, this will not be the case. Demand for sedans has dropped in the U.S. and in Europe, so the Blue Oval's decision does make sense.
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Looks like a more pedestrian version of the Mach-E