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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 09:48 AM
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LMAO at Sam trying to say that Tesla increasing their prices because the cost of raw materials have increased is the same as being gouged by the dealer.

was that another one of his legendary “factual” posts that was supposed to own me with its logic!?
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Bottom line is, the dealership model is antiquated and must go. This is the modern age where everyone has the right to buy products without and deceit or middleman involvement.
Yeah, I get that some want to promote local businesses, but I don’t want to give a significant share of my hard earned money to someone else while buying a product. Doing servicing at a dealership is fine, but they should have no exclusive right to sell cars. If they really make value to some customers, then they can continue to support the middleman.
I've bought lots of cars from dealerships without deceit...all it takes is to be informed and not an idiot. You're giving your hard earned money to a lot of people when you buy anything, even a Tesla since you're supporting all of their suppliers.

There are dealers that are terrible and dealers that are great. Vote with your wallet based on the service you receive. FWIW, I got FAR FAR FAR FAR better service from the BMW dealer than I did from Tesla. I didn't like their product so I voted with my wallet.

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Tesla is raising prices simply because they can. There’s no viable competition that exists right now (ask Sam if you don’t believe me) and they know it. People will continue to buy Tesla cars even at slightly higher prices.
Also they probably want to avoid the fallout of raising prices later (in case the EV bill passes) as customers and government won’t be happy if manufacturers simply raise prices to indirectly siphon off the EV credit.

Unfotunately the competition is not at a stage where they can raise prices and get away with it. As it is they are struggling and if they raise prices it’ll be dead end for them.
Huh? There absolutely is viable competition, just not on the charging side. People continue to buy ALL cars regardless of higher prices. They are absolutely at a stage where they can and do raise prices and get away with it. They are most definitely not struggling as they are all selling cars faster than they can make them.
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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 09:59 AM
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Getting back to the topic of the thread:

Saw a couple of these over the weekend, in light blue & a darker red.
Not a huge fan, from an outside aesthetic.
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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 10:06 AM
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I saw a dark grey one Saturday. I like it - though the front on the GT is much better than the base model.
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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 12:26 PM
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I thought they fake sound on the inside is bad enough.. now the fake sound on the outside
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Old Jul 26, 2021 | 12:30 PM
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My GF was telling me how great Mach-E looks and wanted me to get 1

She never mentioned how great any of the Tesla looks.
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Old Aug 12, 2021 | 09:49 AM
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https://carbuzz.com/news/theres-bad-...-mach-e-buyers


Ford definitely took a chance when it decided to give its first-ever battery-electric model from the ground up the name and styling from its most iconic model. The Ford Mustang Mach-E is, perhaps, the best Tesla Model Y and Model X rival to date so far. Although it lacks a third-row option, this doesn't appear to deter buyers.

Ford's July sales report states that Mach-Es don't last long once they arrive in dealerships. We're talking a matter of just a few days here until they're gone. In addition, 95 percent of customers are paying extra for Ford's Blue Oval Intelligence software stack service. Over 150,000 Mach-Es have received over-the-air updates so far this year. All in all, the Mach-E continues to be a huge success story, but therein lies a new problem.

The Mach E forum has posted an email customers have just received stating that orders built and scheduled to be produced from July 5, 2021 through October 1, 2021 will be delayed by six weeks. That's a fairly significant amount of time and Ford knows it. As compensation, these customers are receiving an additional 250 kWh of complimentary charging through the Ford Blue Oval Charge Network.

What's the cause for the delay? Ford makes this very clear in the email's first sentence: "The global semiconductor chip shortages are affecting our ability to keep up with demand. While that's no excuse, it is a reality."

The automaker adds that Mach-Es built prior to July 5 are not impacted by the delay. That also means their owners are not eligible for the free 250 kWh. The Mach-E is not the only Ford model affected by the chip shortage. The Bronco, Bronco Sport, F-150, F-250, and F-350 have all taken direct hits. Their respective assembly lines are not operating at regular capacity but Ford is building as many as possible with what chip supplies it has.

It's difficult to pinpoint when chip supply relief comes, but most analysts see this beginning to happen early next year. One thing is for certain, however: it'll take at least a year for production normalcy to return.
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 05:50 AM
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Some people accuse Sandy Munro of being a Tesla puppet for praising Tesla's solutions most of the time. His new video shows that the engineer only tells things as he sees them, something he has repeated over and over again. The Ford Mustang Mach-E’s front motor is a good example. According to Munro, it is a much better design than that created by Tesla. 6

To be fair, Munro is not sure that it was a Ford design. It seems to have come from Magna, the world’s largest supplier. Magna will produce the Ocean for Fisker and is a reputable contract manufacturer.

The first point that makes him say the front motor module is brilliant relates to its gearbox’s number of ball bearings. While the Model Y’s front motor gearbox had six, the Mach-E’s has only four. That’s 33% fewer such parts in a gearbox, which translates into lower manufacturing costs.

Most of the gears inside Ford's gearbox are one-piece forgings, which make them very robust parts “that will last forever,” according to Munro. He is also impressed with how compact and elegant the differential is. It is at least half of the size of Tesla’s differential, which shows that manufacturing innovation is not exclusive to the electric carmaker.

Analyzing the electric motor itself, Munro was glad that the stator is not bolted. It is pressed inside the case, which spares some bolts, makes manufacturing faster, and ensures a robust component. The case also has cooling slots that avoid using oil to cool it: the front motor uses the same coolant that goes into the battery pack.

Another element that really made Munro happy about the Mach-E was its front inverter. He would only have the capacitors inside it be a single component instead of the eight different parts he found, but the engineer concedes that this was probably the best they could do. The cable joining the inverter and the front motor would have also been inevitable.

The video shows that a single car can have brilliant engineering in some components and modules and really lousy solutions in other parts, such as the cooling system on the Mach-E. That happens because legacy automakers have different teams taking care of each system, and they seem not to talk to each other but rather to compete among themselves.

If the Mach-E’s front motor really came from Magna, it shows that the competition is even more extensive: it may happen between suppliers and the company’s own teams. In this case, the supplier offered the vehicle a better solution. If it was better for the front, we wonder why Ford didn’t also use it in the rear axle.

If verticalization can offer cars more homogeneous solutions, this case may show that automakers may also benefit from suppliers. If the front motor really came from Magna, it proves that it could offer something better than the carmaker’s teams could come up with. For the sake of the product and consumers, all that matters is a better, lighter, safer, and more affordable car. Sound engineering can deliver that and make guys like Munro – and us – glad to witness when it is really there.
Sandy Munro Thinks Ford Beat Tesla in Mach-E's Front Motor Design - autoevolution
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 12:10 PM
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Oh No... but its 0-60 tho... and can it swim? I dont think so...
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Old Aug 19, 2021 | 06:34 PM
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Oh No... but its 0-60 tho... and can it swim? I dont think so...
Those are important too. Don’t you think… especially the submarine part.
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Old Aug 23, 2021 | 12:54 PM
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I guess Sandy is a Tesla Puppet again because he shits all over blue cruise, which they say is hands-free but isn't. Watch Ford's ADAS disable on a LIDAR pre-mapped highway because there's a curve in the road. Fucking death trap

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Old Aug 23, 2021 | 03:24 PM
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It's not called full self driving is it?
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Old Aug 23, 2021 | 04:28 PM
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Props to Sandy for getting special access to the Ford EVs, having a Ford guy in the car and still being honest with them telling them to their face that their ADAS sucks compared to Tesla


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Old Aug 23, 2021 | 05:12 PM
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So Sandy says he has a full pension plan from Ford. May be that’s why he is worried about Ford and wants to see them survive the storm.
Fix this guys, otherwise you may not be around when I need you.
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Ford copying Tesla

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Old Sep 6, 2021 | 01:39 PM
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So it has unintended acceleration and brake checks

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Old Sep 6, 2021 | 02:58 PM
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Sweet, so does my Tesla. It does it all the time.
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Ok then post a video of your Tesla on Autopilot accelerating to 20 mph faster than your max set speed on its own without driver intervention
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 10:06 AM
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Ok then post a video of your Tesla on Autopilot accelerating to 20 mph faster than your max set speed on its own without driver intervention
Nope, because I don't want to die. There's plenty of testimony out there, go look.

I mean you could try it in your Tesla...oh wait.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 10:55 AM
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Am I alone in giving zero f---s about these autopilot systems? I would likely never use them, and if I did, it would be on long stretches of straight highway with no one around. Which happens never. If I had the choice, I would actually NOT want them as an option on my car. I'm in way too much traffic to even consider these systems. I can't even use cruise control in our area even if I'm on the highway. Never mind these systems are way too immature to trust in any real capacity.

But the media seems to be in a real bunch over them. I could just care less, and their performance and capabilities are of zero consideration when I go to buy an EV.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 11:33 AM
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Some basic AP would've been nice for the very long stretches of highway we went through over the weekend. >1,600 miles from Houston to east of KC, MO. Lots of near arrow straight runs between Houston & OK, and the OK turnpike to MO.

But overall, I'd be good with basic lane keep & adaptive cruise for a commuter.
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Am I alone in giving zero f---s about these autopilot systems? I would likely never use them, and if I did, it would be on long stretches of straight highway with no one around. Which happens never. If I had the choice, I would actually NOT want them as an option on my car. I'm in way too much traffic to even consider these systems. I can't even use cruise control in our area even if I'm on the highway. Never mind these systems are way too immature to trust in any real capacity.

But the media seems to be in a real bunch over them. I could just care less, and their performance and capabilities are of zero consideration when I go to buy an EV.
couldn't care less***

Sorry lol.

Anyway, yes the highway slogs are where these systems shine and I won't buy another car without them for that very reason. Get on the highway, set the speed you want and take your mind off of things. For that purpose, they work amazingly well. Similarly, they work awesome in traffic where all you need to do is creep along behind a car in front of you and stay within the lines. For those two things, current systems are VERY good at driving for you. Around town though...hard pass. The systems simply aren't good enough to deal with the unpredictability of city driving. For long trips though, they are amazing and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Louder
Am I alone in giving zero f---s about these autopilot systems? I would likely never use them, and if I did, it would be on long stretches of straight highway with no one around. Which happens never. If I had the choice, I would actually NOT want them as an option on my car. I'm in way too much traffic to even consider these systems. I can't even use cruise control in our area even if I'm on the highway. Never mind these systems are way too immature to trust in any real capacity.

But the media seems to be in a real bunch over them. I could just care less, and their performance and capabilities are of zero consideration when I go to buy an EV.
No, sir. You are not alone.
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couldn't care less***

Sorry lol.


Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Anyway, yes the highway slogs are where these systems shine and I won't buy another car without them for that very reason. Get on the highway, set the speed you want and take your mind off of things. For that purpose, they work amazingly well. Similarly, they work awesome in traffic where all you need to do is creep along behind a car in front of you and stay within the lines. For those two things, current systems are VERY good at driving for you. Around town though...hard pass. The systems simply aren't good enough to deal with the unpredictability of city driving. For long trips though, they are amazing and I wouldn't have it any other way.
I'd have to own one for a while and build up some level of trust. But 99% of my car's utilization is either commuting or traffic-dense suburban driving, and in either case there would be little use for one even if it worked perfectly. So I wont be there target market anyway.
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Old Sep 7, 2021 | 01:08 PM
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In the city I totally agree but if you're sitting in gas, brake, honk highway jams, you don't know what you're missing out on.
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 03:46 PM
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I purposely optioned mine out.... they are not even worth the 1 or 2 lbs of weight added to me... I take the 2 lbs weight saving over any kind of Self-driving..

Being in LA, they are 100% useless to me.. With all the LA drivers, you could get hit by people cutting you off and side swipe you if you dont pay attention.
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 04:20 PM
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I purposely optioned mine out.... they are not even worth the 1 or 2 lbs of weight added to me... I take the 2 lbs weight saving over any kind of Self-driving..

Being in LA, they are 100% useless to me.. With all the LA drivers, you could get hit by people cutting you off and side swipe you if you dont pay attention.
Is there a difference in hardware or is it purely software? At least with Tesla, it sounds like they put the same hardware in all cars but enable the software only in cars where the owner paid for it.
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 07:41 PM
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I think BMW's have different hardware for the front sensors and stuff but otherwise it's the same across all the cars. The wiring and stuff is most definitely there on every car whether it's equipped or not.
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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 12:20 PM
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Can't say that for certain.. but i am pretty sure there is some difference in hardware..... it should have more camera and radar sensors than what i have now...
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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 11:28 PM
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I'd have to own one for a while and build up some level of trust. But 99% of my car's utilization is either commuting or traffic-dense suburban driving, and in either case there would be little use for one even if it worked perfectly. So I wont be there target market anyway.
I've had my car since last Thursday. I've put 800 miles on it. This includes to night shoots for work and road trip out of town over labor day weekend. I let the car drive itself for 90% of those highway trips. It's trippy at first, but you get used to it very quickly. And you still pay attention and sometimes even hover your foot over the brake. But really it takes away SO much stress and anxiety. You just sit back and let the car deal with the traffic and you just chill and enjoy the view. I can't imagine ever buying another car without it.
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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I purposely optioned mine out.... they are not even worth the 1 or 2 lbs of weight added to me... I take the 2 lbs weight saving over any kind of Self-driving..

Being in LA, they are 100% useless to me.. With all the LA drivers, you could get hit by people cutting you off and side swipe you if you dont pay attention.
Naysayers, Naysayers.

I had a night shoot in Glendale last Friday...Had to leave to at 4:30pm for a 6pm calltime...right in the middle of shitty bumper to bumper traffic. Once I got on the 10E I set Autopilot and let it take trek me through to the 110S. Usually I would be annoying, pissed, and have elevated blood pressure. That drive I was pretty chill and relaxed. And just in awe that I wasn't having to constantly brake and go and brake and go.
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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 09:39 AM
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This video shows how far behind legacy auto is

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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 09:44 AM
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Yes. They are behind on charging infrastructure. This is nothing new. The cars themselves are pretty damn good.
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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 03:08 PM
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Naysayers, Naysayers.

I had a night shoot in Glendale last Friday...Had to leave to at 4:30pm for a 6pm calltime...right in the middle of shitty bumper to bumper traffic. Once I got on the 10E I set Autopilot and let it take trek me through to the 110S. Usually I would be annoying, pissed, and have elevated blood pressure. That drive I was pretty chill and relaxed. And just in awe that I wasn't having to constantly brake and go and brake and go.
Look, i know it works, or you will hear people dying left and right.

But it only takes 1 time if you are not careful with it....

As long as you still pay attention, then it is all good... We have ppl here that think FSD/Auto pilot can remove human... that is what i have issue with. cuz all it takes is 1 time to kill you.
when you have something that is called FULL self Driving that is not even close to FULL, then that is the issue.

Personally speaking, i'd rather Drive... i dont even like being driven by other people, let alone a computer.

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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Look, i know it works, or you will hear people dying left and right.

But it only takes 1 time if you are not careful with it....

As long as you still pay attention, then it is all good... We have ppl here that think FSD/Auto pilot can remove human... that is what i have issue with. cuz all it takes is 1 time to kill you.
when you have something that is called FULL self Driving that is not even close to FULL, then that is the issue.

Personally speaking, i'd rather Drive... i dont even like being driven by other people, let alone a computer.
You are still perpetuating the FUD. Everyone here agrees that autopilot is simply a better and more refined cruise control. Are you careful when using adaptive cruise in any car, yes we all are, and you need that much attention for using autopilot, probably little more relaxing too.
You try to mix up FSD with autopilot and attempt to confuse the readers. It won’t work. Those who have driven it know very well how autopilot works. I have driven using only autopilot and that was my experience. FSD isn’t even out for public yet, so stop being critical about it.
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Yes. They are behind on charging infrastructure. This is nothing new. The cars themselves are pretty damn good.
Correct on all counts.

He says that Ford completed the course six and half hours behind them. That’s technically not correct. Ford didn’t even get to all waypoints. It missed lake placid completely, and in my opinion it didn’t finish the race.

When Tesla missed a waypoint due to low charge, he went back after charging to complete that. One hour lag in a thousand mile trip is nothing.
For us, traveling with kids during a 300 mile trip takes at least two 45 minute stops unless they fall asleep.
So yes, superchargers are Tesla’s Achilles heel for now. Let the legacy build a comparable set up (or let Tesla share them). Then we will talk about other aspects.
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You are still perpetuating the FUD. Everyone here agrees that autopilot is simply a better and more refined cruise control. Are you careful when using adaptive cruise in any car, yes we all are, and you need that much attention for using autopilot, probably little more relaxing too.
You try to mix up FSD with autopilot and attempt to confuse the readers. It won’t work. Those who have driven it know very well how autopilot works. I have driven using only autopilot and that was my experience. FSD isn’t even out for public yet, so stop being critical about it.

Your opinions are worthless because you have neither...
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Naysayers, Naysayers.

I had a night shoot in Glendale last Friday...Had to leave to at 4:30pm for a 6pm calltime...right in the middle of shitty bumper to bumper traffic. Once I got on the 10E I set Autopilot and let it take trek me through to the 110S. Usually I would be annoying, pissed, and have elevated blood pressure. That drive I was pretty chill and relaxed. And just in awe that I wasn't having to constantly brake and go and brake and go.
Having driven that route multiple times, fuck yes, Autopilot is a MUST... to be honest, I was going to buy a Tesla with AP mainly to avoid traffic to/fro my new job.. but then COVID hit sooo saved me $60K
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Coincidentally, started looking at the Mach E compared to the Audi eTron, i may need to go test drive both to get a feel on how they feel/drive.
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Old Sep 13, 2021 | 03:51 PM
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^ The current market is all kind of fked up... wait if you can..
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Old Sep 13, 2021 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
^ The current market is all kind of fked up... wait if you can..
True - I would not want to be in the market for anything right now, new or used. On the Lexus forum I also frequent there is a thread on whether to buy at the end of a lease or not. Lots of owners reporting this week that the buyout price for their leased car is $7-10k less than the same cars on the open market. It's a little nuts out there.
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