Ford: Mach-E News
I'm talking annual sales too. Fremont + China + Berlin should produce close to 1 million annually by end of 2021. Then Giga Texas will start and possibly other gigas which they'll likely announce soon (? Brazil, Russia, India, etc). Battery prices are expected to fall within couple years and Tesla's smaller model (?2) could be somewhat closer to $25K. By that time the floodgates will be getting stretched really thin. ICE will be relegated to history. Possibly it'll remain in only specialty vehicles or areas where there are other issues with EVs in general.
I'm talking annual sales too. Fremont + China + Berlin should produce close to 1 million annually by end of 2021. Then Giga Texas will start and possibly other gigas which they'll likely announce soon (? Brazil, Russia, India, etc). Battery prices are expected to fall within couple years and Tesla's smaller model (?2) could be somewhat closer to $25K. By that time the floodgates will be getting stretched really thin. ICE will be relegated to history. Possibly it'll remain in only specialty vehicles or areas where there are other issues with EVs in general.
Cool.
Official EPA range estimates for the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E are in, and they largely confirm Ford's initially released figures. The battery-powered 'Stang is good for up to 300 miles on a charge, but different variants have different range estimates.
The Mach-E is offered in standard- and extended-range versions, each with either rear-wheel drive or all-wheel drive. The standard-range Mach-E has a 75.7-kilowatt-hour battery. With rear-wheel drive that battery feeds a single, 255-hp permanent-magnet electric motor. Range for that version is 230 miles. With all-wheel drive, a second electric motor is added for a total of 332 horsepower. The standard-range eAWD version is good for 211 miles.
A larger, 98.8-kWh battery pack feeds the extended-range Mach-E. With rear-wheel drive, it powers a 282-hp electric motor and delivers 300 miles of range. The eAWD extended-range version again uses two motors, this time for 332 horsepower, and can travel 270 miles on a charge.
We're still waiting for the Feds to weigh in with range estimates for the Mustang Mach-E GT and Mach-E GT Performance Edition. Those performance models boast 459 horsepower and 612 lb-ft of torque.
The Mustang Mach-E offers a variety of chargers, and recharge time varies greatly depending on which one is used. A 120-volt mobile charger adds 3 miles of range per hour; a 240-volt mobile charger adds 22 miles for each hour, and a 240-volt home version refills the batteries at a rate of 32 miles for each hour. With the Mach-E's DC fast-charger hooked up to a 150 kW source, the car can replenish 47 miles in just 10 minutes.
The 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E is priced from $43,995, before tax credits and incentives. Deliveries are scheduled to begin later this year.
The Mach-E is offered in standard- and extended-range versions, each with either rear-wheel drive or all-wheel drive. The standard-range Mach-E has a 75.7-kilowatt-hour battery. With rear-wheel drive that battery feeds a single, 255-hp permanent-magnet electric motor. Range for that version is 230 miles. With all-wheel drive, a second electric motor is added for a total of 332 horsepower. The standard-range eAWD version is good for 211 miles.
A larger, 98.8-kWh battery pack feeds the extended-range Mach-E. With rear-wheel drive, it powers a 282-hp electric motor and delivers 300 miles of range. The eAWD extended-range version again uses two motors, this time for 332 horsepower, and can travel 270 miles on a charge.
We're still waiting for the Feds to weigh in with range estimates for the Mustang Mach-E GT and Mach-E GT Performance Edition. Those performance models boast 459 horsepower and 612 lb-ft of torque.
The Mustang Mach-E offers a variety of chargers, and recharge time varies greatly depending on which one is used. A 120-volt mobile charger adds 3 miles of range per hour; a 240-volt mobile charger adds 22 miles for each hour, and a 240-volt home version refills the batteries at a rate of 32 miles for each hour. With the Mach-E's DC fast-charger hooked up to a 150 kW source, the car can replenish 47 miles in just 10 minutes.
The 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E is priced from $43,995, before tax credits and incentives. Deliveries are scheduled to begin later this year.
Those are good range numbers. I'd be thrilled with AWD and 270 miles/charge.
I just hope it drives well and the interior is on par with other cars in whatever price range it lands in.
I just hope it drives well and the interior is on par with other cars in whatever price range it lands in.
Like a summer tentpole movie that the studio won’t shut up about, certain cars can hardly live up to their marketing hype. That goes double for EVs, and triple for American EVs that makers or fans hope might knock Elon Musk down a peg. When the hype goes overboard – and Lord, has it gone overboard for the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E – it's hard not to brace for disappointment.
So sincere plaudits to Ford’s electric ingénue: Whether it’s a “Mustang” or not (it’s not), the Mach-E compact SUV is awfully good. How good? For the first time, we have a genuine, no-excuses competitor to Tesla’s benchmark EVs. In this case, it’s up against the Model Y, and in some areas, the Ford is better. That includes its curvaceous body, a superior interior and some 3,000 Ford dealers to service it versus 110 for Tesla. In other areas, including pure efficiency and an exponentially larger charging infrastructure, Tesla maintains an edge. But unlike, say, the overmatched Nissan Leaf versus a Model 3, no one is going to question your sanity if you choose the Ford. In fact, they’ll likely compliment your shrewd judgment and sense of style.
I set off from Brooklyn to see if my candy-apple-red Mach-E Premium could deliver its 270 miles of EPA-rated range. As with many EVs, that’s likely a “no,” especially if you’re mostly sticking to the highway. I’m actually good at maximizing EV mileage. Yet even using every ounce of self-restraint, I could only stay on pace for about 250 miles. That’s still excellent range in an AWD electric SUV. It’s about 25% better range than a pricier Audi e-Tron, which struggles to top even 200 real-world miles. The rear-drive Mach-E Premium should do even better, having reached the magic 300-mile mark in EPA estimates with its optional extended-range battery.


The most-affordable Mach-E Select starts from $43,995, but subtracting the $7,500 federal tax credit drops the price down to $36,495 (there are further state-level credits available as well). That's for a rear-wheel-drive model with the smaller, 76.8-kilowatt-hour Standard Range battery and 230 miles of range. It brings 266 horsepower and 317 pound-feet of torque. Optional AWD boosts torque to 428 lb-ft, with no change to horsepower, and a stingier, 211-mile electric leash.
Our Mach-E Premium test car, with dual-motor AWD, starts from $50,800. Its $5,000 Extended Range option includes a 98.4-kWh battery and 270 miles of range, plus more powerful motors that increase output to 346 hp and 428 lb-ft of torque (290 hp, 317 lb-ft of torque and 300 miles of range with RWD). A $400 coat of Rapid Red paint kicked the tally to $56,200. That’s Mustang Shelby GT350 money, and a boatload for a compact crossover that doesn't carry a luxury badge.
But it’s the feds to the rescue, with the available $7,500 tax credit for EVs. And the Mach-E Premium’s $48,700 post-credit price stood out when it stood next to an Audi e-Tron Sportback that I was also testing. The Audi is even quieter than the near-silent ‘Stang, among the quietest cars in auto history. The e-Tron is wildly more luxurious, essentially a dreamy Audi Q8 with electric drive. The e-Tron also cost $82,500 post-credit, nearly $34,000 more than the Ford. Is the Audi $34,000 better? Not even close, especially given its range shortfall.
With stamina covered, the Ford mostly nails the style, performance and tech. The Mach-E may be another cookie-cutter compact SUV, but it's at least from the batch that produced models like the Mazda CX-5. The Mach-E’s blunt prow, swelling fenders and aggressive stance make the Model Y seem pedestrian.
The interior adopts the TWA Lounge look that seems de rigueur in new EVs: It’s just you and that big, 15.5-inch center screen. But where the Model Y looks a bit barren – the vinyl-clad waiting area for coach passengers – the Ford’s minimalism is joined to more-appealing design and craftsmanship, richer materials and more-comfortable, supportive seats. Mach-E designers – perhaps realizing the intense consumer and critical spotlight on this EV – finessed details that sometimes escape Ford’s corporate attention. Knock-knock plastic is banished. Tactile stitching on faux-leather upholstery looks luxury-league. Oversized toggles for interior door releases are a cool touch. Push-button exterior doors include rear portals that automatically crack open when you press their round pad.
Remember when Ford’s infotainment system was the bane of the automotive world? Today, the company's newest Sync 4 unit is a solid base of operations, though it could still use Home and/or Back buttons to ease those operations. A knurled-metal audio dial is the only physical control, with a clever doughnut hole that exposes an on/off switch on the glass itself. There’s a lot going on in terms of icons, layered screens and apps, but after a few run-throughs, the Ford system was largely a breeze. Tesla’s screen is even larger, with more functions – some smart, like pet-protecting Dog Mode; some superfluous, like Fart Noises. And Sync couldn’t match the uncanny ease of Tesla’s voice commands (it’s hard to top Tesla for pure tech integration). But Ford’s own portrait-oriented screen seems easier to use while in motion, and comes smartly featured itself.
The stylishly canted roofline doesn’t impinge on the back seat, but it does create serious blind spots and detracts from cargo space. There’s 4.5 fewer cubic-feet of space behind the back seat than Ford's compact Escape, but then, also 7.8 more than the e-Tron Sportback. Tesla doesn't provide such a number for the Model Y.
As for driving, the Model Y sets a high bar: It’s rocket-ship fast, agile and fun, essentially a Model 3 sedan – easily the world’s best-selling EV – on tiptoes. But the Ford is a joy buzzer in its own right, with the screwed-down security of a low-center-of-gravity EV, and a chassis with a fine sense of the road. With 346 horses and 428 pound-feet of light-switch torque, this Mach-E Premium AWD makes effortless pace. Ford figures 4.8 seconds to 60 mph, the same as a Model Y Long Range, but the Tesla edge feels faster in the real world. With fewer electric horses, the Ford also runs out of grunt sooner as speeds climb. But in steady rain on winding, nighttime parkways north of Manhattan, the Mach-E romped past fossil-fueled cars, including a pesky BMW 3 Series, with intoxicating ease. As with Model Y, there’s a disconcerting lack of feedback from the front tires; one has to learn to trust the ample tire grip, and then it’s fine. The Ford glides so quietly and serenely that it might seem powered by invisible gamma rays.
At speeds below 20 mph, the Ford broadcasts a digital hum outside the vehicle to alert pedestrians. Three performance modes – Whisper, Engage and Unbridled – adjust throttle, digitized onboard sound and ambient lighting. That cabin soundtrack recalls a synthesized Ford V8, remixed by Kraftwerk. In sportier Engage mode, the over-loud sound becomes wearying within minutes, not as charming as the spaceship-y hum of a Porsche Taycan. Fortunately, it can be shut off in any mode. What can’t be shut off are gimmicky animations in the driver’s display, including a white lava-lamp effect in Whisper, and vaguely threatening orange spikes in Unbridled that grow or shrink as you accelerate and slow down. (I kept picturing Pinhead from "Hellraiser").
My sense is that, for 90-some percent of drivers, Whisper will be the set-and-forget mode. Light steering in Whisper mode actually feels best suited to the creamy-EV mission. In Unbridled mode, the Ford’s electric steering turns unpleasantly gluey and artificial – recalling the clamped-down sensation of older Hyundais with “Sport” modes – with no attendant increase in road feel. Engage mode is the tolerable midpoint, with added benefit of having no distracting anime show in the driver’s display.
Brakes bring their own issue for enthusiast drivers. No worries with the beautifully tuned regenerative portion, including an on-off screen switch for familiar “one-pedal” EV driving. That one-pedal mode was confident enough to trail a semi on a long downhill freeway run in pouring rain, and simply ease off the throttle whenever the truck’s brake lights flashed. Great stuff.
But when you want or need to apply the physical brakes, they become the Ford’s Achilles’, er, Foot. The pedal is neither linear nor progressive, so you’re often applying too much or too little pressure. I dare anyone: Just try to halt the Mach-E smoothly and forcefully from 70 or 80 mph, or in fast-corner entry, without upsetting the chassis or making mid-stream corrections. If Ford expects the upcoming GT version to drive like a legit high-performance SUV, these clumsy brakes need a retuning, pronto. That $61,600 GT (and GT Performance) is set to arrive in fall 2021, with 480 horses and 0-60 times as low as 3.5 seconds.
During my drive, Ford’s energy usage settled in at 3.0 miles for every kilowatt-hour in its battery. That’s 50% better than the electron-guzzling 2 miles-per-kWh I’ve seen in Audi’s e-Tron models. A cool onboard screen offers welcome transparency, displaying the percentage of energy going to propulsion, climate controls, accessories and ambient temperatures.
But the Model Y I tested was still 30% more efficient than the Mach-E, covering nearly four miles for every kilowatt-hour. To underline: Tesla remains the undisputed king of electric-motor and battery efficiency, including the Model Y Long Range’s 326-mile stamina, 56 more miles than the comparable AWD Mach-E.
Public charging is Tesla’s win as well. Ford is touting its welcome, nationwide partnership with operators including Electrify America and ChargePoint, but their DC fast-charging network remains a fraction of the size of Tesla’s. If you can find an EA or Chargepoint DC charger that operates near the advertised 150 kilowatts – I’ve had my struggles – Ford claims up to 61 miles of added range in 10 minutes flat.
Ford prefers to cite the "usable portion" of its Standard and Extended-Range batteries – hence the differences you might notice between the kWh numbers we note above versus what you might see in Ford's official specs. The amount beyond that "useable portion" is a buffer to ensure a long-lived battery, and Ford wants to highlight that buffer to put its efficiency handicap to Tesla in a better light. While it’s fine to note the buffer, it is troubling to see so many journalists falling in line to quote Ford’s preferred numbers, even as they cite the total battery capacities of Tesla and rivals. Apples-to-apples, people.
Another set of accounting numbers favors Ford, via the aforementioned $7,500 tax credit that is no longer available to Tesla buyers. Effectively, Tesla has sold too many cars to still qualify. Whether that is unfair to Tesla or at least counterproductive to the credit's purpose of getting people to buy electric is an argument for another day.
After teasing a $40,200 price, Tesla summarily cancelled a more-affordable, shorter-range Model Y before it reached showrooms. But early adopters will see the first Mach E Selects in coming weeks, at $36,495 after the federal largesse. Tesla’s most-affordable Model Y, the Long Range, now starts at $49,990, or $13,495 higher.
A better comparison, however, is our more-powerful Mach-E Premium AWD test vehicle with its 270-mile Extended Range option that starts from $55,800. With the tax credit, that's still about $1,700 less than the Tesla. (Without the credit, the Ford would cost thousands more). A rear-drive, 300-mile Mach-E Premium Extended Range costs $45,600 post-credit, about $4,400 less than Model Y.
That’s a lot of numbers. But any way you slice them, the Mach-E buyer will be $7,500 ahead from the start. Among the reasons to choose the Ford, those 7,500 may end up the most compelling.
So sincere plaudits to Ford’s electric ingénue: Whether it’s a “Mustang” or not (it’s not), the Mach-E compact SUV is awfully good. How good? For the first time, we have a genuine, no-excuses competitor to Tesla’s benchmark EVs. In this case, it’s up against the Model Y, and in some areas, the Ford is better. That includes its curvaceous body, a superior interior and some 3,000 Ford dealers to service it versus 110 for Tesla. In other areas, including pure efficiency and an exponentially larger charging infrastructure, Tesla maintains an edge. But unlike, say, the overmatched Nissan Leaf versus a Model 3, no one is going to question your sanity if you choose the Ford. In fact, they’ll likely compliment your shrewd judgment and sense of style.
I set off from Brooklyn to see if my candy-apple-red Mach-E Premium could deliver its 270 miles of EPA-rated range. As with many EVs, that’s likely a “no,” especially if you’re mostly sticking to the highway. I’m actually good at maximizing EV mileage. Yet even using every ounce of self-restraint, I could only stay on pace for about 250 miles. That’s still excellent range in an AWD electric SUV. It’s about 25% better range than a pricier Audi e-Tron, which struggles to top even 200 real-world miles. The rear-drive Mach-E Premium should do even better, having reached the magic 300-mile mark in EPA estimates with its optional extended-range battery.
The most-affordable Mach-E Select starts from $43,995, but subtracting the $7,500 federal tax credit drops the price down to $36,495 (there are further state-level credits available as well). That's for a rear-wheel-drive model with the smaller, 76.8-kilowatt-hour Standard Range battery and 230 miles of range. It brings 266 horsepower and 317 pound-feet of torque. Optional AWD boosts torque to 428 lb-ft, with no change to horsepower, and a stingier, 211-mile electric leash.
Our Mach-E Premium test car, with dual-motor AWD, starts from $50,800. Its $5,000 Extended Range option includes a 98.4-kWh battery and 270 miles of range, plus more powerful motors that increase output to 346 hp and 428 lb-ft of torque (290 hp, 317 lb-ft of torque and 300 miles of range with RWD). A $400 coat of Rapid Red paint kicked the tally to $56,200. That’s Mustang Shelby GT350 money, and a boatload for a compact crossover that doesn't carry a luxury badge.
But it’s the feds to the rescue, with the available $7,500 tax credit for EVs. And the Mach-E Premium’s $48,700 post-credit price stood out when it stood next to an Audi e-Tron Sportback that I was also testing. The Audi is even quieter than the near-silent ‘Stang, among the quietest cars in auto history. The e-Tron is wildly more luxurious, essentially a dreamy Audi Q8 with electric drive. The e-Tron also cost $82,500 post-credit, nearly $34,000 more than the Ford. Is the Audi $34,000 better? Not even close, especially given its range shortfall.
With stamina covered, the Ford mostly nails the style, performance and tech. The Mach-E may be another cookie-cutter compact SUV, but it's at least from the batch that produced models like the Mazda CX-5. The Mach-E’s blunt prow, swelling fenders and aggressive stance make the Model Y seem pedestrian.
The interior adopts the TWA Lounge look that seems de rigueur in new EVs: It’s just you and that big, 15.5-inch center screen. But where the Model Y looks a bit barren – the vinyl-clad waiting area for coach passengers – the Ford’s minimalism is joined to more-appealing design and craftsmanship, richer materials and more-comfortable, supportive seats. Mach-E designers – perhaps realizing the intense consumer and critical spotlight on this EV – finessed details that sometimes escape Ford’s corporate attention. Knock-knock plastic is banished. Tactile stitching on faux-leather upholstery looks luxury-league. Oversized toggles for interior door releases are a cool touch. Push-button exterior doors include rear portals that automatically crack open when you press their round pad.
Remember when Ford’s infotainment system was the bane of the automotive world? Today, the company's newest Sync 4 unit is a solid base of operations, though it could still use Home and/or Back buttons to ease those operations. A knurled-metal audio dial is the only physical control, with a clever doughnut hole that exposes an on/off switch on the glass itself. There’s a lot going on in terms of icons, layered screens and apps, but after a few run-throughs, the Ford system was largely a breeze. Tesla’s screen is even larger, with more functions – some smart, like pet-protecting Dog Mode; some superfluous, like Fart Noises. And Sync couldn’t match the uncanny ease of Tesla’s voice commands (it’s hard to top Tesla for pure tech integration). But Ford’s own portrait-oriented screen seems easier to use while in motion, and comes smartly featured itself.
The stylishly canted roofline doesn’t impinge on the back seat, but it does create serious blind spots and detracts from cargo space. There’s 4.5 fewer cubic-feet of space behind the back seat than Ford's compact Escape, but then, also 7.8 more than the e-Tron Sportback. Tesla doesn't provide such a number for the Model Y.
As for driving, the Model Y sets a high bar: It’s rocket-ship fast, agile and fun, essentially a Model 3 sedan – easily the world’s best-selling EV – on tiptoes. But the Ford is a joy buzzer in its own right, with the screwed-down security of a low-center-of-gravity EV, and a chassis with a fine sense of the road. With 346 horses and 428 pound-feet of light-switch torque, this Mach-E Premium AWD makes effortless pace. Ford figures 4.8 seconds to 60 mph, the same as a Model Y Long Range, but the Tesla edge feels faster in the real world. With fewer electric horses, the Ford also runs out of grunt sooner as speeds climb. But in steady rain on winding, nighttime parkways north of Manhattan, the Mach-E romped past fossil-fueled cars, including a pesky BMW 3 Series, with intoxicating ease. As with Model Y, there’s a disconcerting lack of feedback from the front tires; one has to learn to trust the ample tire grip, and then it’s fine. The Ford glides so quietly and serenely that it might seem powered by invisible gamma rays.
At speeds below 20 mph, the Ford broadcasts a digital hum outside the vehicle to alert pedestrians. Three performance modes – Whisper, Engage and Unbridled – adjust throttle, digitized onboard sound and ambient lighting. That cabin soundtrack recalls a synthesized Ford V8, remixed by Kraftwerk. In sportier Engage mode, the over-loud sound becomes wearying within minutes, not as charming as the spaceship-y hum of a Porsche Taycan. Fortunately, it can be shut off in any mode. What can’t be shut off are gimmicky animations in the driver’s display, including a white lava-lamp effect in Whisper, and vaguely threatening orange spikes in Unbridled that grow or shrink as you accelerate and slow down. (I kept picturing Pinhead from "Hellraiser").
My sense is that, for 90-some percent of drivers, Whisper will be the set-and-forget mode. Light steering in Whisper mode actually feels best suited to the creamy-EV mission. In Unbridled mode, the Ford’s electric steering turns unpleasantly gluey and artificial – recalling the clamped-down sensation of older Hyundais with “Sport” modes – with no attendant increase in road feel. Engage mode is the tolerable midpoint, with added benefit of having no distracting anime show in the driver’s display.
Brakes bring their own issue for enthusiast drivers. No worries with the beautifully tuned regenerative portion, including an on-off screen switch for familiar “one-pedal” EV driving. That one-pedal mode was confident enough to trail a semi on a long downhill freeway run in pouring rain, and simply ease off the throttle whenever the truck’s brake lights flashed. Great stuff.
But when you want or need to apply the physical brakes, they become the Ford’s Achilles’, er, Foot. The pedal is neither linear nor progressive, so you’re often applying too much or too little pressure. I dare anyone: Just try to halt the Mach-E smoothly and forcefully from 70 or 80 mph, or in fast-corner entry, without upsetting the chassis or making mid-stream corrections. If Ford expects the upcoming GT version to drive like a legit high-performance SUV, these clumsy brakes need a retuning, pronto. That $61,600 GT (and GT Performance) is set to arrive in fall 2021, with 480 horses and 0-60 times as low as 3.5 seconds.
During my drive, Ford’s energy usage settled in at 3.0 miles for every kilowatt-hour in its battery. That’s 50% better than the electron-guzzling 2 miles-per-kWh I’ve seen in Audi’s e-Tron models. A cool onboard screen offers welcome transparency, displaying the percentage of energy going to propulsion, climate controls, accessories and ambient temperatures.
But the Model Y I tested was still 30% more efficient than the Mach-E, covering nearly four miles for every kilowatt-hour. To underline: Tesla remains the undisputed king of electric-motor and battery efficiency, including the Model Y Long Range’s 326-mile stamina, 56 more miles than the comparable AWD Mach-E.
Public charging is Tesla’s win as well. Ford is touting its welcome, nationwide partnership with operators including Electrify America and ChargePoint, but their DC fast-charging network remains a fraction of the size of Tesla’s. If you can find an EA or Chargepoint DC charger that operates near the advertised 150 kilowatts – I’ve had my struggles – Ford claims up to 61 miles of added range in 10 minutes flat.
Ford prefers to cite the "usable portion" of its Standard and Extended-Range batteries – hence the differences you might notice between the kWh numbers we note above versus what you might see in Ford's official specs. The amount beyond that "useable portion" is a buffer to ensure a long-lived battery, and Ford wants to highlight that buffer to put its efficiency handicap to Tesla in a better light. While it’s fine to note the buffer, it is troubling to see so many journalists falling in line to quote Ford’s preferred numbers, even as they cite the total battery capacities of Tesla and rivals. Apples-to-apples, people.
Another set of accounting numbers favors Ford, via the aforementioned $7,500 tax credit that is no longer available to Tesla buyers. Effectively, Tesla has sold too many cars to still qualify. Whether that is unfair to Tesla or at least counterproductive to the credit's purpose of getting people to buy electric is an argument for another day.
After teasing a $40,200 price, Tesla summarily cancelled a more-affordable, shorter-range Model Y before it reached showrooms. But early adopters will see the first Mach E Selects in coming weeks, at $36,495 after the federal largesse. Tesla’s most-affordable Model Y, the Long Range, now starts at $49,990, or $13,495 higher.
A better comparison, however, is our more-powerful Mach-E Premium AWD test vehicle with its 270-mile Extended Range option that starts from $55,800. With the tax credit, that's still about $1,700 less than the Tesla. (Without the credit, the Ford would cost thousands more). A rear-drive, 300-mile Mach-E Premium Extended Range costs $45,600 post-credit, about $4,400 less than Model Y.
That’s a lot of numbers. But any way you slice them, the Mach-E buyer will be $7,500 ahead from the start. Among the reasons to choose the Ford, those 7,500 may end up the most compelling.
TL;DW: "Apart from Tesla, from the more established automakers this is by far the best EV I've ever driven. It's the best sorted, it's the best in terms of technology, it's the best in terms of integration, this is a ground up EV it's not some converted thing. Ford has done it right with the Mach E, but it's just so hard to compete with the likes of the Model Y"
I dunno - I watched the whole thing and it was a pretty fair comparison. However, the only thing where it was definitive Y > Mach E was in interior capacity, towing and ground clearance (is he following SSFTSX or something?). Almost everything else seemed to favour the Mach E.
I dunno - I watched the whole thing and it was a pretty fair comparison. However, the only thing where it was definitive Y > Mach E was in interior capacity, towing and ground clearance (is he following SSFTSX or something?). Almost everything else seemed to favour the Mach E.
If you really want to say Mach E is better, go ahead say it. We don't mind. Just don't ignore the hard facts.
What... ?? You totally ignored its better efficiency, drag co-efficiency, towing, supercharger network, and above all the sheer performance and the ability to receive OTA updates....
If you really want to say Mach E is better, go ahead say it. We don't mind. Just don't ignore the hard facts.
If you really want to say Mach E is better, go ahead say it. We don't mind. Just don't ignore the hard facts.

Supercharger network might not be as big an advantage these days depending on where you are. Up here in BC, there are a ton of other charging options all along the main routes (our power utility is committed to installing quite a number of free 50 kW chargers all around the province for example).
I won't say I'm that crazy about the Mach E - there are still some negatives, but if you were to put a gun to my head and make me choose between the Y and Mach E currently, I would choose the Ford; if only due to having the driving features I care about; and that it looks way better.
Thought the Mach E does OTA updates as well? In any case, it's pretty obvious that Ford sacrificed some of the aerodynamics and efficiency for a much better looking car than the Y.
Supercharger network might not be as big an advantage these days depending on where you are. Up here in BC, there are a ton of other charging options all along the main routes (our power utility is committed to installing quite a number of free 50 kW chargers all around the province for example).
I won't say I'm that crazy about the Mach E - there are still some negatives, but if you were to put a gun to my head and make me choose between the Y and Mach E currently, I would choose the Ford; if only due to having the driving features I care about; and that it looks way better.
Supercharger network might not be as big an advantage these days depending on where you are. Up here in BC, there are a ton of other charging options all along the main routes (our power utility is committed to installing quite a number of free 50 kW chargers all around the province for example).
I won't say I'm that crazy about the Mach E - there are still some negatives, but if you were to put a gun to my head and make me choose between the Y and Mach E currently, I would choose the Ford; if only due to having the driving features I care about; and that it looks way better.

These companies know how to make car bodies but they struggle with electric drivetrains and making good software. So lets hope these don't have major drivetrain problems like the Polestar 2 did
Ross Gerber is going off about Ford MachE he drove on Meet Kevin livestream
https://twitter.com/cowcumber/status...841250821?s=21
https://twitter.com/gerberkawasaki/s...611941376?s=21
https://twitter.com/lordpente/status...815891460?s=21
https://twitter.com/mrlevine/status/...917282305?s=21
the current dealership system is fucked
https://twitter.com/cowcumber/status...841250821?s=21
https://twitter.com/gerberkawasaki/s...611941376?s=21
https://twitter.com/lordpente/status...815891460?s=21
https://twitter.com/mrlevine/status/...917282305?s=21
the current dealership system is fucked
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Last edited by Comfy; Mar 20, 2021 at 11:15 PM.
^ Seems no different to Tesla randomly changing the prices of their cars whenever they feel like it. Or just canceling their lowest priced models because they want to promote EV adoption, right?
Didn't they just randomly up the price of the top tier models $10k overnight? Sounds like a markup to me!
I don't know that's an entirely fair comparison. Many people - including myself - prefer a physical knob to do certain things. Volume being one of them. Better than punching an arrow on a screen a bunch of times.
And Millennials are not out there buying $70k cars. It's older Gen-Xers like me who were raised on knobs and physical controls.
I think Ford should get more credit for understanding how users interact with cars far better than a new "software company" does. A knob doesn't mean their SW is bad. And software companies tend to do what software engineers think is cool rather than what users may actually want or need.
And Millennials are not out there buying $70k cars. It's older Gen-Xers like me who were raised on knobs and physical controls.
I think Ford should get more credit for understanding how users interact with cars far better than a new "software company" does. A knob doesn't mean their SW is bad. And software companies tend to do what software engineers think is cool rather than what users may actually want or need.

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I don't know that's an entirely fair comparison. Many people - including myself - prefer a physical knob to do certain things. Volume being one of them. Better than punching an arrow on a screen a bunch of times.
And Millennials are not out there buying $70k cars. It's older Gen-Xers like me who were raised on knobs and physical controls.
I think Ford should get more credit for understanding how users interact with cars far better than a new "software company" does. A knob doesn't mean their SW is bad. And software companies tend to do what software engineers think is cool rather than what users may actually want or need.
And Millennials are not out there buying $70k cars. It's older Gen-Xers like me who were raised on knobs and physical controls.
I think Ford should get more credit for understanding how users interact with cars far better than a new "software company" does. A knob doesn't mean their SW is bad. And software companies tend to do what software engineers think is cool rather than what users may actually want or need.

I don't know that's an entirely fair comparison. Many people - including myself - prefer a physical knob to do certain things. Volume being one of them. Better than punching an arrow on a screen a bunch of times.
And Millennials are not out there buying $70k cars. It's older Gen-Xers like me who were raised on knobs and physical controls.
I think Ford should get more credit for understanding how users interact with cars far better than a new "software company" does. A knob doesn't mean their SW is bad. And software companies tend to do what software engineers think is cool rather than what users may actually want or need.
And Millennials are not out there buying $70k cars. It's older Gen-Xers like me who were raised on knobs and physical controls.
I think Ford should get more credit for understanding how users interact with cars far better than a new "software company" does. A knob doesn't mean their SW is bad. And software companies tend to do what software engineers think is cool rather than what users may actually want or need.

I'd bet a paycheck that when Mach-E becomes more established they drop the association with Mustang and also dilute the visual queues in the first refresh.
"Inconsistent and undependable....I don't think this car should've been rolled out to the public"
TL;DW The software... it's always the software. Basic shit like unlocking the car, adjusting the AC, changing the radio, turning on Apple CarPlay, activating the backup camera either fucking sucks or doesn't work at all. Good thing you never have to do any of those things.
These are things that only become more frustrating over time, when you first experience it you think eh no big deal but constant barriers of suck brought on by Ford's inability to make decent software because they can't attract quality talent like Tesla will really make you start to hate driving that vehicle everyday.
When I got my Honda I made sure to play with the touchscreen, feel out the UI and see how it handled basic tasks, and initially I just thought it was ok a 6/10, it didn't wow me and it didn't lag that much. Over time that 6/10 experience started to annoy me more and more and I started to dread interacting with the basic functions of my car, and it was much better than this Mach-E software.
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; Apr 6, 2021 at 12:45 PM.
Imagine fighting with your car everytime you try to get in, then once you're in you have to fight with it to turn on, then your have to deal with horrible unresponsive UI lag when you turn on the AC, and you have to jump through hoops to enable CarPlay just for it to fail to connect, and then when you put it in reverse the reverse cameras fail to turn on. Imagine going through that every single time you get in your car at least twice a day. If this car is still this crappy in 6 months owners are going to lose their shit. These bugs would be so frustrating to deal with day in and day out.
It's like having a hot girlfriend who does 5 things that annoys you but she's so hot you think you can just ignore it but after six months you can't ignore all the annoying things she does so you break up with her, except this time you signed up for a multi year contract
It's like having a hot girlfriend who does 5 things that annoys you but she's so hot you think you can just ignore it but after six months you can't ignore all the annoying things she does so you break up with her, except this time you signed up for a multi year contract
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; Apr 6, 2021 at 08:53 PM.
Imagine having your head so far up Elon's ass that you don't realize that people are buying these things by the thousands and they are starting to hurt Model 3/Y market share.
Also, all of the stuff you describe as flaws happens on Teslas all the time. They even had to recall the screen because it would routinely stop working.
Also, all of the stuff you describe as flaws happens on Teslas all the time. They even had to recall the screen because it would routinely stop working.
Imagine having your head so far up Elon's ass that you don't realize that people are buying these things by the thousands and they are starting to hurt Model 3/Y market share.
Also, all of the stuff you describe as flaws happens on Teslas all the time. They even had to recall the screen because it would routinely stop working.
Also, all of the stuff you describe as flaws happens on Teslas all the time. They even had to recall the screen because it would routinely stop working.











