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03-27-2015, 05:08 PM
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Interesting...is it normal for sports cars to have just one production spec for testing and to not unveiled the full specs when the production model is shown?
03-30-2015, 10:45 AM
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tl;dr: This car is a show car but is a good representation of what the final car will look like (not perform like).
03-30-2015, 01:41 PM
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It's normal for every car to have one production spec model to show off. I bet this car is not really for testing, they'd have much less expensive mules to test on. There's always going to be the first run of hand built production spec cars to ensure the whole system works together but those won't have anything in it like fancy interior, paint, carpet, nav system, etc. The full specs haven't been announced because they don't know them yet. The engine tune isn't done, I bet the final system level testing is in progress right now, the longevity testing isn't done, manufacturing processes aren't done, etc...
tl;dr: This car is a show car but is a good representation of what the final car will look like (not perform like).
tl;dr: This car is a show car but is a good representation of what the final car will look like (not perform like).
03-30-2015, 03:35 PM
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Weird discussion.
03-30-2015, 04:20 PM
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Ahh i see. So it's typical that companies don't reveal full specs right away even in production form and typical that there's only one production spec model for auto shows. What if there's schedule conflict with showing off the car at different locations? Do they just build a replica one?
Just because this is the first one doesn't mean it'll be the only one, I bet there are many, many more of them that are built between now and production start. Mainly to showcase the different colors, wheels, interiors, trim levels, geographies, etc...
03-30-2015, 11:51 PM
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Ahh i see. So it's typical that companies don't reveal full specs right away even in production form and typical that there's only one production spec model for auto shows. What if there's schedule conflict with showing off the car at different locations? Do they just build a replica one?
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03-30-2015, 11:55 PM
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03-31-2015, 01:52 PM
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This is completely true unless you've been hyping up the same car for the past 5-7 years and it's still not on the market. In which case, you should have several "production spec" models to show around.
Just because this is the first one doesn't mean it'll be the only one, I bet there are many, many more of them that are built between now and production start. Mainly to showcase the different colors, wheels, interiors, trim levels, geographies, etc...
Just because this is the first one doesn't mean it'll be the only one, I bet there are many, many more of them that are built between now and production start. Mainly to showcase the different colors, wheels, interiors, trim levels, geographies, etc...
Thanks for the info!
03-31-2015, 04:31 PM
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Ahh i see. So it's typical that companies don't reveal full specs right away even in production form and typical that there's only one production spec model for auto shows. What if there's schedule conflict with showing off the car at different locations? Do they just build a replica one?
04-01-2015, 08:59 AM
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Maybe this blue will look better to me in person. But still, I'm liking the idea of a stealth look with the Shadow Gray.
04-01-2015, 12:39 PM
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I can walk into a dealership and buy a GTR today. NSX is not even close to the same league as LF-A.
sup.
If I'm going to go, I'm going to go all out. The gray will look just fine but I'd rather have the signature color. I hated it in the press pics but it looks great in the real life stuff.
sup.
If I'm going to go, I'm going to go all out. The gray will look just fine but I'd rather have the signature color. I hated it in the press pics but it looks great in the real life stuff.
04-02-2015, 10:54 AM
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Only two concept vehicles were displayed at motor shows prior to the unveiling of the production model. The first concept was shown at the Tokyo Motor Show in 2001, to preview what a 21st-century GT-R would look like. At the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show, Nissan unveiled a redesigned concept, the GT-R Proto, stating that the production GT-R would be 80–90% based on this concept.
The production version of the GT-R debuted at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, launching in the Japanese market on December 6, 2007. The U.S. official launch was seven months later on July 7, 2008.
The production version of the GT-R debuted at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show, launching in the Japanese market on December 6, 2007. The U.S. official launch was seven months later on July 7, 2008.
In December 2007, American Honda CEO, Tetsuo Iwamura, confirmed a new supercar powered by a V10 engine would make its introduction to the market by 2010. The new sports car would be based on the Acura ASCC (Advanced Sports Car Concept) introduced at the 2007 North American International Auto Show.
On December 27, 2014, Honda announced that its second-generation NSX would debut at the North American International Auto Show in 2015. This occurred on January 12, 2015
On December 27, 2014, Honda announced that its second-generation NSX would debut at the North American International Auto Show in 2015. This occurred on January 12, 2015
Keep swinging brah.
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04-02-2015, 02:33 PM
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Very preliminary concept to actual production in 6 years. Production spec show car to actual production in less than a year.
Preliminary concept to production-ish in 8 years. Production spec-ish to actual production in ??????. Point is, you still can't buy one.
Keep swinging brah.
Preliminary concept to production-ish in 8 years. Production spec-ish to actual production in ??????. Point is, you still can't buy one.
Keep swinging brah.
Essentially, what you are saying is that Honda has been fiddling with the idea of replacing the NSX for 8 years. Actually, I think it's longer than that. If I recall correctly, it's from the HSC concept back in 2003. So yes, indeed, 12 years is a long time.
What I'm saying is, the development work that is actually relevant to the 2nd gen NSX started from the 2012 NSX concept. Anything prior to that is either just fiddling with different ideas, or completely cancelled. I mean, for starter, the production NSX that we saw doesn't have a V10 nor a FR chassis.
The GT-R on the other hand had a very clear goal. Its name tells you right away that it is a GT-R. And obviously Nissan took their time to make the best bang for your buck super car.
06-25-2015, 10:37 AM
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jeebus...
06-25-2015, 11:26 AM
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This is a game changer.
I would love to have this as a DD. This over Golf R/CTR/STi/EVO.
Link:
Ford Confirms 345hp for the Focus RS | cp-e?
THE SEATS THE SEATS HOLY
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I would love to have this as a DD. This over Golf R/CTR/STi/EVO.
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Ford Confirms 345hp for the Focus RS | cp-e?
THE SEATS THE SEATS HOLY
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06-25-2015, 12:05 PM
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^ Those seats are probably euro market only because of the shitty outdated USDOT laws. I think I read that somewhere. We'll get seats similar to the FoST seats.
06-25-2015, 12:38 PM
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YES!
You are probably right, but I hope you are wrong!!
Either way, this is a FANTASTIC package. This is the pocket rocket!
Either way, this is a FANTASTIC package. This is the pocket rocket!
06-25-2015, 02:26 PM
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Impressive #s.
But with the bigger turbo, i am wondering how is the turbo lag.
Nothing feels worse than when you step on the gas and nothing happens and you see cars coming up fast at you from the mirror
But with the bigger turbo, i am wondering how is the turbo lag.
Nothing feels worse than when you step on the gas and nothing happens and you see cars coming up fast at you from the mirror
06-25-2015, 02:50 PM
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06-25-2015, 03:16 PM
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No way this is priced under $35k at this point.
06-25-2015, 03:52 PM
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$35k-40k
That seems reasonable for the package.
That seems reasonable for the package.
06-25-2015, 04:11 PM
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06-25-2015, 04:34 PM
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Will just have to wait to see how it drives. The publications will start getting the testers soon, I'm assuming! 
This car is going to be FAST!
This car is going to be FAST!
06-25-2015, 05:22 PM
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No doubt it will be fast.
with 345 boosted HP and 400lbs torque in a HB, it will be fast...
I just don't like the feeling of turbo lags that is usually associated with small displacement cars with big turbos.
Hope Ford does not go crazy and do what VW did with the Golf R pricing.
with 345 boosted HP and 400lbs torque in a HB, it will be fast...
I just don't like the feeling of turbo lags that is usually associated with small displacement cars with big turbos.
Hope Ford does not go crazy and do what VW did with the Golf R pricing.
06-25-2015, 05:42 PM
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I am sure there will be....
But i know in recent years a lot of manufacture have restricted dealers to do that.
I know for a fact that Sierra Acura and New Century BMW are not allowed to charge Markups on ANY car.
The 1 NSX allocation for Sierra has already been sold long time ago at MSRP.
instead, they just don't give out discounts on everything else to make up for it.
But i know in recent years a lot of manufacture have restricted dealers to do that.
I know for a fact that Sierra Acura and New Century BMW are not allowed to charge Markups on ANY car.
The 1 NSX allocation for Sierra has already been sold long time ago at MSRP.
instead, they just don't give out discounts on everything else
to make up for it.
06-26-2015, 09:57 AM
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I fear it's going to be closer to $40k. I'm going to guess around $37,995 starting.
I might have to wait until 2017 to seriously consider one. The hot demand should die down by then, and prices should hopefully not exceed sticker. Dealers started giving invoice deals on the Focus ST roughly the summer after it came out. I could have waited six months and saved a couple thousand at least.
In the end there's really no advantage in having to buy one as soon as it comes out... as much as I'd like to.
I might have to wait until 2017 to seriously consider one. The hot demand should die down by then, and prices should hopefully not exceed sticker. Dealers started giving invoice deals on the Focus ST roughly the summer after it came out. I could have waited six months and saved a couple thousand at least.
In the end there's really no advantage in having to buy one as soon as it comes out... as much as I'd like to.
06-26-2015, 11:57 AM
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lol that's over 400Nm man. The max torque actually 325lbft from 2000-4500rpm. There's an overboost feature that increases max torque to 347lbft for 15 seconds. Still impressive of course.
ooowindoo's concern is legit though. At full boost, yes, the engine does make over 300lbft of torque from 2000rpm. But the concern is how long does it take to reach full boost? That's the turbo lag ooowindoo's worried about. We won't know until there are road tests done to it. Reviews seem to say the Mustang 2.3L only has a minimal amount of lag. But then the Focus RS has a larger turbo, which again, is where the concern is. I will find out soon enough.
ooowindoo's concern is legit though. At full boost, yes, the engine does make over 300lbft of torque from 2000rpm. But the concern is how long does it take to reach full boost? That's the turbo lag ooowindoo's worried about. We won't know until there are road tests done to it. Reviews seem to say the Mustang 2.3L only has a minimal amount of lag. But then the Focus RS has a larger turbo, which again, is where the concern is. I will find out soon enough.
06-26-2015, 12:23 PM
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It doesn't take long to get to 2000rpm. Again, it's more about how long it will take to reach full boost. Let's say the max boost at 2000rpm is 18psi (just random number as I don't know what the max psi is). That means the engine will make its full 325lbft at 2000rpm only if the boost is at 18psi. Anything less than 18psi would mean the engine isn't making 325lbft at 2000rpm.
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