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Old 02-03-2015, 10:25 AM
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Honda / Acura should ask Ford for help on how to design and build a car!
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Honda / Acura should ask Ford for help on how to design and build a car!
I'll take "words you thought you'd never hear" for $1000, Alex.
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R&T article:

2016 Ford Focus RS: AWD, more than 315 hp, coming to the U.S.

(I can't stand Jalopnik's poorly written nonsense)
I do too, but it was the first post I saw in my FB feed, so iI went with it
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I don't care for the gray plastic in the grille, but that's a minor complaint. Quite an aggressive looking car.
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Honda / Acura should ask Ford for help on how to design and build a car!
Why?
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I do too, but it was the first post I saw in my FB feed, so iI went with it
I would've done the same
I actually saw the post you posted on here before I checked any of the other sites.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Why?
New GT350, Focus RS, Ecoboost Stang, Fiesta ST, Focus ST etc..
A year and a half ago, I would've never considered buying a Ford. Now, one of their cars will most likely be my next car. Hell, I spend almost as much time browsing on Mustang6g ecoboost's section as on here. As a '13 TSX owner, Honda/Acura makes literally nothing for me to upgrade too or even desire. In fact, I'd happily take a AP1 or AP2 S2000 over anything they make today.. Is there anything Acura makes that's as fun as my TSX to drive? Maybe the new ILX, but I highly doubt that would be that much better then my CU2.. TLX? Meh.. Not with that styling and removal of double wishbone suspension.. no way..

Honda/Acura should be targeting me if anyone.. I am they're future customer(s).. I have several friends with Hondas/Acuras aswell, and not a single one said they would buy anything else from the brand because they simply do not make anything to interest us. My friend with his modded 2010 Accord Coupe? What does Honda make for him to buy next? The 2013 Accord coupe?

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Why?
...seriously? Maybe check yourself into a hospital if that's an honest question.
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I might have to take a serious look at this when it's new car time.
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Press release for the RS...

Ford today revealed the all-new Focus RS, a high-performance road car that debuts Ford Performance All-Wheel Drive with Dynamic Torque Vectoring Control, which contributes to performance never before seen in a Focus RS. The all-new Focus RS is equipped with a new 2.3-liter EcoBoost® engine producing well in excess of 315 horsepower.

Focus RS is the latest unveiling in a new era of Ford performance that will bring more than 12 performance vehicles to global customers by 2020.

In addition to pleasing enthusiasts, these vehicles help deliver the company’s One Ford plan for profitable growth, product excellence and innovation in every part of its business.

“The all-new Focus RS is a serious machine with high-performance technology and innovative engineering that sets a new benchmark for driving exhilaration on the road and track,” said Raj Nair, group vice president, Global Product Development, Ford Motor Company. “The RS line has a proud history of technical breakthroughs that have migrated to mainstream Ford vehicles to benefit all of our customers, and the new Focus RS is no exception. It’s a great example of our passion for innovation through performance, and creating vehicles that make people’s hearts pound.”

Developed by a small team of global Ford Performance engineers, the new Focus RS is the third generation in the line, following models launched in 2002 and 2009. It will be the 30th car to wear the legendary RS badge, following such technology trendsetters as the 1970 Escort RS1600 with 16 valves, 1985 Sierra RS Cosworth with turbocharging and radical aerodynamics and 1992 Escort RS Cosworth with four-wheel drive.

Sporting a dramatic exterior design that delivers enhanced aerodynamics and cooling, the new Focus RS offers technologies new to the RS line including Ford SYNC® connectivity system.

The all-new Focus RS is the first-ever RS model that will be sold around the world, including the United States, and produced for all markets at Ford’s Saarlouis, Germany, manufacturing plant beginning late this year.

“We are acutely aware of the benchmarks we have set ourselves with RS performance models through the years, and rest assured this new car raises the game to a new level,” said Jim Farley, president, Ford of Europe, Middle East and Africa.

“Just as important is the fact that with technologies such as EcoBoost, we are able to demonstrate how an innovation that powers almost every car in our range can also be the heartbeat of our finest performance cars,” added Farley.

Gymkhana and World Rallycross star Ken Block was brought on as a consultant on the all-new Focus RS, and joined the Ford Performance team at the preview event in Cologne, Germany –where the RS legend was born with the Ford 15M RS in 1968.

Innovative Ford Performance All-Wheel Drive offers a new level of handling
The all-new Focus RS exploits innovative new Ford Performance All-Wheel Drive with Dynamic Torque Vectoring to deliver a new level of handling capability and driver enjoyment, combining outstanding traction and grip with exciting agility and cornering speed.

The Ford Performance All-Wheel-Drive system is based on twin electronically controlled clutch packs on each side of the rear drive unit. These manage the car’s front/rear torque split, and can control the side-to-side torque distribution on the rear axle – delivering the “torque vectoring” capability that has a dramatic impact on handling and cornering stability.

The control unit in the rear drive unit continuously varies the front/rear and side-to-side torque distribution to suit the current driving situation, monitoring inputs from multiple vehicle sensors 100 times per second. A maximum of 70 percent of the drive torque can be diverted to the rear axle. Up to 100 percent of available torque at the rear axle can be sent to each rear wheel.

During cornering, the rear drive unit pre-emptively diverts torque to the outer rear wheel immediately based on inputs such as steering wheel angle, lateral acceleration, yaw and speed. This torque transfer has the effect of “driving” the car into the bend, achieving improved turn-in and stability, and virtually eliminating understeer.

The AWD system has been tuned to deliver exceptional grip – with lateral acceleration exceeding 1 g – and great cornering speed and acceleration out of a bend. With neutral and adjustable limit handling, and the ability to achieve controlled oversteer drifts at the track, Focus RS delivers an exceptional fun-to-drive experience.

To deliver optimum driving dynamics, the Ford Performance All-Wheel-Drive system was calibrated alongside the car’s advanced Electronic Stability Control, in particular the brake-based Torque Vectoring Control system that works in parallel with the torque-vectoring AWD. Other exclusive chassis features include sports suspension with spring rates, bushings and antiroll bars – all of which are stiffer than those found in Focus ST, and two-mode switchable dampers, which offer a firmer setting for track driving. A carefully tuned electric power-assisted steering system working in combination with a more rigid front suspension knuckle design and shorter-link arms delivers connected and responsive steering with outstanding feel.

“The Focus ST and Fiesta ST showed that we can achieve sporty steering feel with an electric power-assisted steering system, and the RS raises the bar,” said Dave Pericak, director, Global Ford Performance. “We set out to provide drivers with steering that is very direct, precise and well balanced – and the RS delivers.”

Ford engineers worked closely with Michelin to develop a choice of high-performance 235/35 R19 tires to complement the driving dynamics of the Focus RS: a standard Pilot Super Sport tire for every-day use, and – for the first time on an RS – an optional Pilot Sport Cup 2 tire for enhanced vehicle dynamics on the track.

The vehicle’s exterior design has also been developed to support the dynamic objectives. Careful aerodynamic optimization of the front splitter, rear spoiler and underbody features eliminates lift forces, and the final design delivers balanced performance with zero lift front and rear for optimum high-speed handling and stability.

Unique powertrain for increased output
Ford’s EcoBoost technology powers Focus RS and nearly every new Ford vehicle. The specially engineered 2.3-liter EcoBoost engine has levels of power and torque that translate into impressive acceleration when combined with the exceptional all-wheel-drive traction.

Projected to produce well in excess of 315 horsepower, the custom unit shares its fundamental structure with the all-aluminum 2.3-liter four-cylinder engine in the all-new Mustang, but has been significantly upgraded through a comprehensive package of design changes.

Increased output is generated by a new low-inertia twin-scroll turbocharger with larger compressor that delivers significantly greater airflow, along with a much bigger intercooler to maximize charge density. Engine breathing is enhanced through a less restrictive intake design, and a large-bore high-performance exhaust system with an electronically controlled valve in the tailpipe that helps optimize the balance of back pressure and noise output.

The cylinder head is produced from an upgraded alloy material capable of withstanding higher temperatures, and is mounted on a more robust head gasket with improved thermal capability. The cylinder block employs stronger high-tensile cast iron liners.

Engine cooling also has been given the highest priority, with engineers creating additional space within the front of the vehicle to house a significantly larger radiator pack that provides the level of cooling demanded for hard circuit use.

Meticulous calibration work ensures that the power unit delivers excellent low-end responsiveness with a powerful mid-range pull, climbing to a free-revving top end up to a maximum rev limit of 6,800 rpm.

The six-speed manual transmission has been optimized for the enthusiast driver with a shorter gear lever to deliver faster and more accurate shifts. Both the transmission and the clutch have been upgraded with stronger components to cope with the engine’s increased torque output.

With its high-efficiency EcoBoost design featuring direct fuel injection, twin independent variable camshaft timing, advanced turbocharging and Auto Start-Stop as standard, the engine also delivers significantly improved fuel consumption.

High-performance design for stunning looks with optimum function
Focus RS exterior design is both dramatic and functional, with a more powerful and muscular character. Designers worked closely with Ford Performance to ensure that the necessary functional attributes were achieved, focusing on the aerodynamic downforce and balance delivered by the design, as well as the cooling demands of the powertrain and brakes.

RS features a powerful new front end appearance with a bold upper trapezoidal grille above the deep splitter, incorporating the largest possible apertures for engine cooling. A wide, muscular stance is emphasized by the lower wings and large outboard openings on each side of the car, which feed the brake cooling ducts and house vertically mounted lamps.

At the rear, the fascia panel is dominated by the exceptionally large diffuser, which optimizes airflow from under the vehicle and contains the twin round high-performance exhaust outlets. Focus RS for Europe and Asia markets will also get a clear central fog lamp. The distinctive rear roof spoiler is carefully integrated with the car’s silhouette through body-colored side panels featuring a subtle embossed RS logo.

The dynamic side profile is emphasized by sculptured rocker panels, and the bold wheel lips that house a choice of multi-spoke 19-inch RS alloy wheels – including a high-performance lightweight forged design finished in low-gloss black, which offers enhanced strength and impact resistance.

The high-performance character of Focus RS is reflected inside the car, where heavily bolstered partial-leather Recaro sports seats serve as the centerpiece of the cockpit.

The interior features the reworked Focus control layout with its simpler, more intuitive design. SYNC connectivity provides access to audio, navigation, climate control and mobile phones via voice control, and via a high-definition, 8-inch color touch screen. SYNC can be specified with rear view camera with park distance control, as well as a Sony premium sound system with 10-speakers including a subwoofer.

The RS driving experience is reinforced by a new flat-bottomed steering wheel with a soft-feel leather-covered rim, alloy pedals and unique instrument graphics within the main cluster. An additional bank of gauges above the center console displays turbocharger boost pressure, oil temperature and oil pressure.

Four striking exterior colors include Nitrous Blue, a vibrant four-coat metallic finish exclusive to RS, as well as Stealth Gray, Absolute Black and Frozen White. The car revealed in Cologne features the same special Liquid Blue color scheme first seen on the all-new Ford GT revealed last month at the North American International Auto Show.
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Hmm, probably either Nitrous Blue or Stealth Gray for me.
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Ken Block hooligans it up in the new RS...



Yeah, baby...
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Hmm, probably either Nitrous Blue or Stealth Gray for me.
Exactly my thoughts. Will depend on available wheel choices/colors. I've decided that this will be my next car. Search over. Now to make sure the TLS stays running until then...
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Why?
Come on man! haha
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Hmm, probably either Nitrous Blue or Stealth Gray for me.
I vote gray, but blue would be my 2nd choice.
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Ken Block hooligans it up in the new RS...
My jaw dropped. That sounds so good. I wonder if the production version will sound anything like that. It sounds similar to my ST, but a bit deeper. Seems like it has at least a high-flow cat and 3" exhaust without a muffler. Just love that turbo sound.

Great video with some funny parts, too. I'm going to watch it over and over.
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Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
...seriously? Maybe check yourself into a hospital if that's an honest question.
Is that what you are about? Insulting others? Can't come up with a logical, well presented argument?

Originally Posted by VR1
New GT350, Focus RS, Ecoboost Stang, Fiesta ST, Focus ST etc..
A year and a half ago, I would've never considered buying a Ford. Now, one of their cars will most likely be my next car. Hell, I spend almost as much time browsing on Mustang6g ecoboost's section as on here. As a '13 TSX owner, Honda/Acura makes literally nothing for me to upgrade too or even desire. In fact, I'd happily take a AP1 or AP2 S2000 over anything they make today.. Is there anything Acura makes that's as fun as my TSX to drive? Maybe the new ILX, but I highly doubt that would be that much better then my CU2.. TLX? Meh.. Not with that styling and removal of double wishbone suspension.. no way..

Honda/Acura should be targeting me if anyone.. I am they're future customer(s).. I have several friends with Hondas/Acuras aswell, and not a single one said they would buy anything else from the brand because they simply do not make anything to interest us. My friend with his modded 2010 Accord Coupe? What does Honda make for him to buy next? The 2013 Accord coupe?
That's perfectly fine IMO. I just think the better statement would be,

"Honda should learn from Ford to design and build more models catered to the enthusiasts,"

rather than,

"Honda / Acura should ask Ford for help on how to design and build a car!"

Clearly, Honda is capable of building excellent cars for enthusiasts. I don't need to repeat about S2k, NSX, Type R's, etc.

They have one of the best AWD systems. They build some of the best 6MT in the world. They built one of the most fun to drive convertibles. They built an exotic that made Ferrari and Porsche rethink how they design their super cars. They are about to launch one of the most technologically advanced sports car. They are also capable building of the most popular sedans and luxury SUVs.

They have the capabilities to build what we want. The issue is, they aren't doing that.

On another note, your friend has a 2010 Accord coupe. What's wrong with the 9G coupe? Or he just wants to get something completely different?

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Come on man! haha
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Is that what you are about? Insulting others? Can't come up with a logical, well presented argument?
Honda doesn't need people here defending them like some helicopter mother at the playground because the other kids don't want to play with their special snowflake, the booger-eater.

This dogmatic protection of Honda is ridiculous.
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Honda doesn't need people here defending them like some helicopter mother at the playground because the other kids don't want to play with their special snowflake, the booger-eater.

This dogmatic protection of Honda is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Is that what you are about? Insulting others? Can't come up with a logical, well presented argument?
The fact that you would pretend to be a complete moron and not understand why Honda should want the people behind the GT, Raptor, GT350R, and Focus RS designing their cars is pathetic and you don't deserve a legitimate response.

Yes, yeah, for a troll like yourself, sdk, and any other ignorant fanboy who gets too annoying on here, I bring my finest jokes.

Originally Posted by iforyou
Clearly, Honda is capable of building excellent cars for enthusiasts. I don't need to repeat about S2k, NSX, Type R's, etc.
And they're great at letting each and every one of those cars die without giving a single damn about it. But let's pretend that's not true, wouldn't want to burst your BS bubble.

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Originally Posted by charliemike
Honda doesn't need people here defending them like some helicopter mother at the playground because the other kids don't want to play with their special snowflake, the booger-eater.

This dogmatic protection of Honda is ridiculous.
You see, there's a difference between being a fanboy defending a brand like it can do no wrong, vs using facts and figures to make a point.

All I've saying is, Honda has demonstrated its capabilities to build real nice cars that are suitable for car enthusiasts. I think that's the reason you guys are here in the first place. As mentioned, it's things such as the world class 6MT, the Type Rs, the Preludes, the S2k's, etc that attract you guys to the brand.

The problem here isn't Honda can't design an excellent product for us, enthusiasts. The problem is that Honda does NOT BOTHER to build us something that we truly want.

If I were a fanboy/troll/Honda apologetic/etc, all I'd be saying is

"you guys are stupid and Honda is the best."

"Honda doesn't need RWD"

"Honda doesn't need turbo"

etc, etc.

Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
The fact that you would pretend to be a complete moron and not understand why Honda should want the people behind the GT, Raptor, GT350R, and Focus RS designing their cars is pathetic and you don't deserve a legitimate response.

Yes, yeah, for a troll like yourself, sdk, and any other ignorant fanboy who gets too annoying on here, I bring my finest jokes.



And they're great at letting each and every one of those cars die without giving a single damn about it. But let's pretend that's not true, wouldn't want to burst your BS bubble.
Please refrain from using insulting words or phrases such as morons, trolls, fanboys, etc.

Let's have a matured discussion.

I don't think mods allow for such words and insults to be used.

Is that correct, mods? I'd be pretty surprised such behaviors are tolerated.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Please refrain from using insulting words or phrases such as morons, trolls, fanboys, etc.

Let's have a matured discussion.

I don't think mods allow for such words and insults to be used.

Is that correct, mods? I'd be pretty surprised such behaviors are tolerated.
lol, grow up.

1. I never said you were a moron, BUT you sure do act like one when you pretend Honda is so amazing and flawless.

2. You are a fan boy, through and through. You're backpedaling now, but its pretty clear in most of your posts.

3. You're exactly the kind of "enthusiast" Honda wants, someone who's willing to hold on to past successes and ignore many ongoing failures at making exciting cars. The new NSX is the first real sports car Honda's created since 1999, but you obviously don't care about that because 1995 was such a great year for Honda.

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So the AWD system on this FWD-biased Ford puts the Acura SH-AWD to shame? They both have active torque vectoring so I don't see how it is superior to the SH-AWD or other systems with that feature.

Would love to hear your thoughts as I'm mechanically challenged.

The Ford Focus RS's Clever AWD System Will Spread Elsewhere ? News ?Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

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No one knows for sure since the car is not even released but Focus RS has been around the world for a long time and unless SHAWD has been tested in WRC, otherwise we will never know its full capability.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
All I've saying is, Honda has demonstrated its capabilities to build real nice cars that are suitable for car enthusiasts. I think that's the reason you guys are here in the first place. As mentioned, it's things such as the world class 6MT, the Type Rs, the Preludes, the S2k's, etc that attract you guys to the brand.
Until "has" turns to "is", IDGAF.

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So the AWD system on this FWD-biased Ford puts the Acura SH-AWD to shame? They both have active torque vectoring so I don't see how it is superior to the SH-AWD or other systems with that feature.

Would love to hear your thoughts as I'm mechanically challenged.

The Ford Focus RS's Clever AWD System Will Spread Elsewhere ? News ?Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog
The system is very similar both in operation and capability based on specs and function (from what we know now).

The difference is that up front there's a 4 banger that produces more power and torque than any engine Honda currently makes (F1 aside) and a 6 speed manual in between.
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Originally Posted by iforyou

All I've saying is, Honda has demonstrated its capabilities to build real nice cars that are suitable for car enthusiasts. I think that's the reason you guys are here in the first place. As mentioned, it's things such as the world class 6MT, the Type Rs, the Preludes, the S2k's, etc that attract you guys to the brand.

"Has" meaning Past Tense. And that IS the major problem. They haven't built anything with soul or desire in 10-15 + years, and continue to go more and more towards the way Toyota used to be seen. Ugly/Bland/Boring/Blend in.
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The problem is that Honda does NOT BOTHER to build us something that we truly want
If anyone is saying that a major multi-national manufacturing company is incapable of mustering the technical competency to build a world class sports car, then they're crazy.

But that's not the argument. The argument is that there's no one running Honda right now that gives a crap about sports cars. Honda is about cranking out four-wheeled toasters and making money off them. That's it.

So the endless defense of Honda is a waste of energy. Honda can build jets and develop a racing team. Of course they can build a sports car if they wanted to.

But all the Honda fanboys here just want to ignore the fact that Honda (and Acura) haven't sold a real sports car since the S2000 went out of production and that it was the only one across both marques since the NSX was cancelled.
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Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
lol, grow up.

1. I never said you were a moron, BUT you sure do act like one when you pretend Honda is so amazing and flawless.

2. You are a fan boy, through and through. You're backpedaling now, but its pretty clear in most of your posts.

3. You're exactly the kind of "enthusiast" Honda wants, someone who's willing to hold on to past successes and ignore many ongoing failures at making exciting cars. The new NSX is the first real sports car Honda's created since 1999, but you obviously don't care about that because 1995 was such a great year for Honda.
"The fact that you would pretend to be a complete moron"

That's what you said man.

I don't need to pretend for anything.

And no, I never say Honda is so amazing or flawless. I am a Honda enthusiast. Sure if that's how you define "fan boy, " then go ahead, I'm a Honda fan boy. But do not make false statements that I'm back pedaling or pretend Honda is amazing and flawless.

I'm REFERENCING Honda's past successes, but I'm ALSO STATING that Honda's shortcomings. I did that in many of my posts, past and recent. For instance, on post #818, I said, "Honda should learn from Ford to design and build more models catered to the enthusiasts."

I'm not sure which part of that is saying Honda is amazing and flawless. Enlighten us please.

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Until "has" turns to "is", IDGAF.
And that's my main point, as I said in my previous posts, namely #818.

"Honda should learn from Ford to design and build more models catered to the enthusiasts."

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"Has" meaning Past Tense. And that IS the major problem. They haven't built anything with soul or desire in 10-15 + years, and continue to go more and more towards the way Toyota used to be seen. Ugly/Bland/Boring/Blend in.
Again, that's why I said "Honda should learn from Ford to design and build more models catered to the enthusiasts."

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If anyone is saying that a major multi-national manufacturing company is incapable of mustering the technical competency to build a world class sports car, then they're crazy.

But that's not the argument. The argument is that there's no one running Honda right now that gives a crap about sports cars. Honda is about cranking out four-wheeled toasters and making money off them. That's it.

So the endless defense of Honda is a waste of energy. Honda can build jets and develop a racing team. Of course they can build a sports car if they wanted to.

But all the Honda fanboys here just want to ignore the fact that Honda (and Acura) haven't sold a real sports car since the S2000 went out of production and that it was the only one across both marques since the NSX was cancelled.
That was actually the quote by another poster that I was referring to.

The original post that I was refer to says this,

"Honda / Acura should ask Ford for help on how to design and build a car!"

May be my English sucks, but that post seems to suggest that "a major multi-national manufacturing company is incapable of mustering the technical competency to build a world class sports car," and that it needs help in designing such cars.

My response? Rather then saying that Honda needs help to design cars for enthusiasts, I said Honda needs to LEARN from Ford to make cars that cater to enthusiasts. I went on and said that Honda in the past has built many fun to drive cars that enthusiasts love, and Honda needs to be doing that again.

Never am I saying that Honda can do no wrong, or flawless, or it's okay to build appliances. That's why I have criticized the RLX (for its bland exterior and high entry price) and ILX (for its general incompetence) for example.

I'm not sure how else I can be more clearer on that.
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How about you just stop mentioning cars that came out in the mid '90's in every thread about current models?
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Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
How about you just stop mentioning cars that came out in the mid '90's in every thread about current models?
Sure, I can talk about AP1, FD2, 1G TSX, 3G TL, SH-AWD, etc.
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Sure, I can talk about AP1, FD2, 1G TSX, 3G TL, SH-AWD, etc.
1. lol, you own an S2000 and don't even know its development began in the 1990's.

2. None of those cars you mentioned are current gen. The newest one you listed hasn't been in production since 2010. (good job staying current gen )

3. The FD2 was never even available in the states so thanks for pointing out yet another Honda failure.

4. SH-AWD isn't even a car, but at least that's available on cars manufactured and sold in 2015. (.5 point for you)

So yeah, try again.
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Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
1. lol, you own an S2000 and don't even know its development began in the 1990's.

2. None of those cars you mentioned are current gen. The newest one you listed hasn't been in production since 2010. (good job staying current gen )

3. The FD2 was never even available in the states so thanks for pointing out yet another Honda failure.

4. SH-AWD isn't even a car, but at least that's available on cars manufactured and sold in 2015. (.5 point for you)

So yeah, try again.
Your post said,

"How about you just stop mentioning cars that came out in the mid '90's in every thread about current models?"

1.) Where did you say "DEVELOPMENT" in that sentence?

2.) Where did you ask me to mention LATEST GEN in your post?

3.) Where did your post ask about NA example?

4.) Try what again? I already explained my position before. In case you miss it, I've stated clearly many times that I believe Honda is capable of making cars for enthusiasts. The problem is that Honda hasn't been doing that for years. And that Honda needs to get back to making cars that cater to enthusiasts. No back pedaling, no nothing. I've been saying that for a while.

If you want to twist my words, then so be it. It's your choice.
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Try what again? I already explained my position before. In case you miss it, I've stated clearly many times that I believe Honda is capable of making cars for enthusiasts. The problem is that Honda hasn't been doing that for years. And that Honda needs to get back to making cars that cater to enthusiasts. In the mean time I'm going to keep talking about how great a car the 1993 NSX was.
Fixed. Just stop talking about things that aren't relevant to current products. We ALL know how great Honda's were. There's no damn reason to keep repeating it in every thread.

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Lets spin this another way for iforyou:

Hai gais, remember how much of a piece of dog shit the 1993 Taurus was?

I'm for sure not going to buy this excellent Focus because of that.

No that's actually not at all true, I'm almost for sure buying this car because IDGAF how good or bad a car was if it went out of production a decade ago.
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Originally Posted by MeehowsBRZ
Fixed. Just stop talking about things that aren't relevant to current products. We ALL know how great Honda's were. There's no damn reason to keep repeating it in every thread.
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Lets spin this another way for iforyou:

Hai gais, remember how much of a piece of dog shit the 1993 Taurus was?

I'm for sure not going to buy this excellent Focus because of that.

No that's actually not at all true, I'm almost for sure buying this car because IDGAF how good or bad a car was if it went out of production a decade ago.
MeehowsBRZ, that's exactly what I'm talking about - now and present of Honda. I'm saying how Honda should be building fun to drive cars, cars that enthusiasts would be interested in. The REASON I talked about the past is because Honda has shown that they could built great cars for enthusiasts. Sure, they built a lot of those in the mid 90's. They also built a lot of those after the 90's, like the AP1, AP2, FD2, 3G TL, and even the TSX. Sure, these are past models, definitely not from 1993. Correct?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what people want Honda to do now? To build fun to drive cars much like the "old days", and just like what Ford has been doing lately? Or do you want Honda to continue building appliances? Is that what you want?
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Originally Posted by iforyou
MeehowsBRZ, that's exactly what I'm talking about - now and present of Honda. I'm saying how Honda should be building fun to drive cars, cars that enthusiasts would be interested in. The REASON I talked about the past is because Honda has shown that they could built great cars for enthusiasts. Sure, they built a lot of those in the mid 90's. They also built a lot of those after the 90's, like the AP1, AP2, FD2, 3G TL, and even the TSX. Sure, these are past models, definitely not from 1993. Correct?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what people want Honda to do now? To build fun to drive cars much like the "old days", and just like what Ford has been doing lately? Or do you want Honda to continue building appliances? Is that what you want?
I frankly don't care what Honda does right now. There are so many other options out there that are better, faster, cheaper, and probably just as reliable. At this point even if they brought the CTR to the US, I'd cross shop it with the competition before blindly buying one. They no longer have any of my brand loyalty that they used to have.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
You see, there's a difference between being a fanboy defending a brand like it can do no wrong, vs using facts and figures to make a point.

All I've saying is, Honda has demonstrated its capabilities to build real nice cars that are suitable for car enthusiasts. I think that's the reason you guys are here in the first place. As mentioned, it's things such as the world class 6MT, the Type Rs, the Preludes, the S2k's, etc that attract you guys to the brand.

The problem here isn't Honda can't design an excellent product for us, enthusiasts. The problem is that Honda does NOT BOTHER to build us something that we truly want.

If I were a fanboy/troll/Honda apologetic/etc, all I'd be saying is

"you guys are stupid and Honda is the best."

"Honda doesn't need RWD"

"Honda doesn't need turbo"

etc, etc.



Please refrain from using insulting words or phrases such as morons, trolls, fanboys, etc.

Let's have a matured discussion.

I don't think mods allow for such words and insults to be used.

Is that correct, mods? I'd be pretty surprised such behaviors are tolerated.
I am / was a huge fan of Honda and Acura's (that all i never owned and drove). I love the NSX, S2K, Integra Type R, Civic SI ect... but i was talking about the last few years Honda / Acura forgot how to build a awesome car. Yes they HAVE built a lot of nice cars but they are in the past.

Ford on the other hand is really building cars that are very fun to drive, economically and nice looking. A few years ago Ford had nothing.
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SamDoe, I think that's all good and fair. There's no need to be loyal to a brand. Just get what works best for you.

Jake, you and I know that Honda built a lot of great cars and pioneered many interesting technologies. And indeed, those were in the past. My point is that now, Honda needs to be build great cars for enthusiasts, just like they did before. Not trying to say Honda is right to build appliances...and not trying to say Honda is amazing and can do no wrong.

You know, Ford has been building fun to drive cars for a while. It's just that people didn't seem to pay attention to that. Mustangs, GT, Mondeo/Contour, Focus, Focus ST170, Mondeo ST220, Taurus SHO, Cougar.
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Originally Posted by Jakes_tl
I am / was a huge fan of Honda and Acura's (that all i never owned and drove). I love the NSX, S2K, Integra Type R, Civic SI ect... but i was talking about the last few years Honda / Acura forgot how to build a awesome car. Yes they HAVE built a lot of nice cars but they are in the past.

Ford on the other hand is really building cars that are very fun to drive, economically and nice looking. A few years ago Ford had nothing.
There is still hope. Also, unlike the Ford GT, this one actually uses some heavy duty technology.

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