Ford: European Models to Arrive in 2010 Speculation
01-29-2007, 04:12 PM
#41
Drop the Fusion. It looked dated the moment it was introduced. The Mondeo looks infinitely better. I remember seeing Mondeos in China and wondering why Ford refuses to sell such a great looking car in the US market.
Time for Ford to get their heads out of their asses and realize that if they don't do something soon, they may be going out of business...
Time for Ford to get their heads out of their asses and realize that if they don't do something soon, they may be going out of business...
01-29-2007, 04:18 PM
#42
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yes, get rid of all curretn Fords and sell their Euro counter parts. They are actually good.
ford mondeo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub7f97u8Fhk
ford mondeo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub7f97u8Fhk
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01-29-2007, 04:22 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Time For Sleeep
unless i missed it.
not one mention of the euro focus.
... sucks.
not one mention of the euro focus.
... sucks.
The Mondos are very popular here...
01-29-2007, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Time For Sleeep
unless i missed it.
not one mention of the euro focus.
... sucks.
not one mention of the euro focus.
... sucks.
With pocket rockets being so popular stateside, they need to import that Focus ST first. IMHO, I do not see the need for the Mondeo now. The Fusion appears to be at least as nice a car as the Mondeo (...although the Milan has nicer trim). It just needs that Cyclone V6 in order to be somewhat competitive with the Camry/Accord/Altima trio.
01-29-2007, 09:38 PM
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Every Ford article I read I always think "why didn't they bring over the Euro focus?" Even with the Civic being as good as it is, Honda wouldn't dare think it could be competitive with an eight year old platform, so who knows what was going through the minds of Ford execs when they decided to stick with the old Focus.
01-29-2007, 10:35 PM
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Ford would be really dumb not to bring the Mondeo over as a Mercury. It's styling and platform are unique from the Fusion, so it coudn't possibly be seen as a "clone." It'd be a bit more expensive than the Fusion, but Mercury could be positioned as a premium maker (similar to what GM wants Saturn to become). Mercury's starved for unique product; give ti to them (and don't change a thing about it).
01-30-2007, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Time For Sleeep
unless i missed it.
not one mention of the euro focus.
... sucks.
not one mention of the euro focus.
... sucks.
01-30-2007, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RWalker2
Every Ford article I read I always think "why didn't they bring over the Euro focus?" Even with the Civic being as good as it is, Honda wouldn't dare think it could be competitive with an eight year old platform, so who knows what was going through the minds of Ford execs when they decided to stick with the old Focus.
01-30-2007, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
The reason for that is because if the Euro Focus came to the USA, it would start at 21K. Start! Which would result in close to 152 cars sold, lol. The platform used for the Focus in Europe is very expensive compared to where the USA Focus "plays" in the USA with respect to price point.
01-30-2007, 08:15 AM
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about time.
now bring the falcon from australia.
now bring the falcon from australia.
01-30-2007, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
The reason for that is because if the Euro Focus came to the USA, it would start at 21K. Start! Which would result in close to 152 cars sold, lol. The platform used for the Focus in Europe is very expensive compared to where the USA Focus "plays" in the USA with respect to price point.
01-30-2007, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RWalker2
Are you saying that Ford couldn't of taken something from the Euro Focus? Even if they take the interior, chassis, anything from it would greatly improve the current, old Focus. (I guess they tried to take the exterior a bit, but that couldn't save the car underneath) If anything, I mean Ford should've always planned to make the Euro Focus here too, instead of looking at it now saying "Aww shucks its too expensive for the US."
Finally, one of the big reasons why the Focus in Europe sells so well is its handling. And that comes from the platform and chassis used.
01-30-2007, 12:25 PM
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Blarg...they've also "considered" bringing Australian cars too. Hurry up and stop the meetings/talking and just bring them...dammit. 
01-30-2007, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
The reason for that is because if the Euro Focus came to the USA, it would start at 21K. Start! Which would result in close to 152 cars sold, lol. The platform used for the Focus in Europe is very expensive compared to where the USA Focus "plays" in the USA with respect to price point.
With the Mazda3 starting at least $4k less than your number, I doubt Ford would have to start the Focus at $21k.
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01-30-2007, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TMQ
mondeo, doesn't look that special.
Thats the previous gen.
Here's the latest. http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/...-mondeo-sedan/
01-30-2007, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
So, how is it that Mazda manages to make it work? Mazda is not using the same-gen platform the Focus is on.
With the Mazda3 starting at least $4k less than your number, I doubt Ford would have to start the Focus at $21k.
With the Mazda3 starting at least $4k less than your number, I doubt Ford would have to start the Focus at $21k.
My info about the pricing came from auto show Autoline Detroit which is a very reliable source for the automotive reality. I believe it.
01-30-2007, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
The Mazda3 and the EUro Focus are not on par.
My info about the pricing came from auto show Autoline Detroit which is a very reliable source for the automotive reality. I believe it.
My info about the pricing came from auto show Autoline Detroit which is a very reliable source for the automotive reality. I believe it.
So basically, if I understand this correctly, the Euro Focus is about on par with the US Volvo S40?
Holy shit.
Well if that is the case then the Euro Fiesta is a better car than the US Focus. People are buying a $20k+ Mazda3 all day long.
So, bring over the Euro Fiesta and price that from $14-20k and then the Euro Focus against the Golf and higher trim Mazda3 from $21k up.
They WILL sell because they will be good cars.
01-30-2007, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
The Euro Focus is a better car than the Mazda3?
So basically, if I understand this correctly, the Euro Focus is about on par with the US Volvo S40?
Holy shit.
Well if that is the case then the Euro Fiesta is a better car than the US Focus. People are buying a $20k+ Mazda3 all day long.
So, bring over the Euro Fiesta and price that from $14-20k and then the Euro Focus against the Golf and higher trim Mazda3 from $21k up.
They WILL sell because they will be good cars.
So basically, if I understand this correctly, the Euro Focus is about on par with the US Volvo S40?
Holy shit.
Well if that is the case then the Euro Fiesta is a better car than the US Focus. People are buying a $20k+ Mazda3 all day long.
So, bring over the Euro Fiesta and price that from $14-20k and then the Euro Focus against the Golf and higher trim Mazda3 from $21k up.
They WILL sell because they will be good cars.
01-31-2007, 02:10 AM
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WOW!
What the HELL FORD!?
I thought the last gen looked fantastic but the new one.........incredible!
01-31-2007, 08:30 AM
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That is sweet!!
But given Ford's debacle with their $6B expediture of the prior Mondeo transplant (Contour/Mystique) and the Merkur pseudo-Euros (XR4Ti/Scorpio) a decade prior, I can see why Ford is gunshy about importing from their Euro divisions.
But given Ford's debacle with their $6B expediture of the prior Mondeo transplant (Contour/Mystique) and the Merkur pseudo-Euros (XR4Ti/Scorpio) a decade prior, I can see why Ford is gunshy about importing from their Euro divisions.
01-31-2007, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
That is sweet!!
But given Ford's debacle with their $6B expediture of the prior Mondeo transplant (Contour/Mystique) and the Merkur pseudo-Euros (XR4Ti/Scorpio) a decade prior, I can see why Ford is gunshy about importing from their Euro divisions.
But given Ford's debacle with their $6B expediture of the prior Mondeo transplant (Contour/Mystique) and the Merkur pseudo-Euros (XR4Ti/Scorpio) a decade prior, I can see why Ford is gunshy about importing from their Euro divisions.
07-24-2008, 09:11 AM
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Ford: European models to arrive starting in 2010
From CNN.com
I like all the choices and if in a couple of years I HAD to have a people mover I'd definitely look at the Kuga and C-Max.
I like all the choices and if in a couple of years I HAD to have a people mover I'd definitely look at the Kuga and C-Max.
07-24-2008, 09:20 AM
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mondos look great..I saw one yesterday and thought thought it was a BMW...
07-24-2008, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
Sept MT is reporting the next gen Mondeo and Fusion will be twins similar to the TSX and Euro Accord.
Otherwise, I want those ham-handed troglodytes penning these current cars to be kept as far away from the designs as possible.
07-24-2008, 10:34 AM
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The sizzle in the Steak
Hurry Ford.....you just burned 10% of your cash in the last quarter.
07-24-2008, 11:47 AM
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I can't understand why this wasn't a no-brainer to begin with? Ford Europe = sexy cars while we are stuck with some of the shittiest designs I have ever seen from any manufacturer. And from the same company! That makes no sense...
im excited, just in time for graduation!
07-24-2008, 12:58 PM
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Great decision. Finally, they are thinking right.
07-24-2008, 01:43 PM
#78
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The Ka's are everywhere in London...
07-24-2008, 02:26 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by MinDawg
ford just sux! who cares what it looks like. ever tried to sell ford. thing looses 50% of value in 2yrs. worst value EVER!
07-24-2008, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MinDawg
ford just sux! who cares what it looks like. ever tried to sell ford. thing looses 50% of value in 2yrs. worst value EVER!
And as much as I dislike what we get in North America, the Ford that's available in Europe and Asia...it's day and night compared to what we get.