Ferrari FXX News **Pics from Detroit (page 2)**
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Originally Posted by domn
I'd like to see the engine come down to a smaller displacement V10 more along the lines of an F1 car. Not shoot up to 6.8L
I dont see such a thing happening in a NA engine case. The demands for output for such a vehicle are very serious. Even at 6.8 liters, Ferrari needs to work on making that thing scream so they get some decent power output out of it. Just like in the case of, pretty much, all Ferrari vehicles available currently.
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Hehehe...
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wow crazy news... I agree it would be cool to make it closer to an F1 car, engine-wise... a low displacement V10 that revs to 10k+ rpm and makes like 800 hp... that would do it for me...
ps. they need to fix the front end
ps. they need to fix the front end
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wasnt the enzo supposed to be exclusive? whys are they making more of them? idiots...
They aren't making more of them, they are making a different one. It likely won't even have the word "Enzo" in the title. idiots...
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For good reason, M-B/McLaren are planning build a much faster SLR.
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its good that they are making the enzo better, but i bet the current enzo owners would be pissed as shit when the super enzo comes out, a car like that is suposed to stay new for like 7 years,
reminds me of the 20 hp change from the 01-02 z06's, wouldnt u be pissed if u owned a 01 z06 and they upped it 20 hp for 02
reminds me of the 20 hp change from the 01-02 z06's, wouldnt u be pissed if u owned a 01 z06 and they upped it 20 hp for 02
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buddies nieghbor has an enzo, saw it at starbucks and asked the guy what the 1/4mi was and he was like uhhh?? I stared at that car for a good 10 minutes, I could only imagine driving that thing WOW. As we were leaving there was a crowd of 10 people just gawking at the car.
btw how the hell can they improve that thing?? its good enough
btw how the hell can they improve that thing?? its good enough
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wow crazy news... I agree it would be cool to make it closer to an F1 car, engine-wise... a low displacement V10 that revs to 10k+ rpm and makes like 800 hp... that would do it for me...
ps. they need to fix the front end
ps. they need to fix the front end
The problem is a 3L (like F1) wouldn't make NEAR 800hp at 10K, F1 engines need close to 19,000 to make the 850-950 they did last year. Even at 10K a 3L would be HIGHLY tuned and not very tractable to make even 500hp in NA form. I know everyone is just dreaming but 3L in NA form would have to cap out at about 400hp to be street drivable. So even at 500 hp you would need to get the weight down close to a (long) ton to have the power to weight of the current Enzo. So you are talking about dropping over 700 pounds off a car that already uses a LOT of light weight materials.
The Enzo is arguably the quickest supercar made by a "real" marque (though not for long maybe) and certainly the most drivable at these super limits (based on press, I have only seen them run). Ferrari seems to have found a great formula which based on what I have read beats the CGT and SLR. I agree about the new Enzo being an issue for "old" Enzo owners but if they change the car significantly and give it a distinctive name then it won't be an issue as long as it doesn't come out next year.
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btw how the hell can they improve that thing?? its good enough
sounds like they just want a prettier version which retains the same aerodynamics characteristics
interesting comment in the article for me was that they feel they are nearing the engineering limits of what can be done on a street legal car. And with every passing year it will only get worse (as new "green" laws are introduced). i.e. the super car as we know it is a dying breed.
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Originally Posted by srika
wow crazy news... I agree it would be cool to make it closer to an F1 car, engine-wise... a low displacement V10 that revs to 10k+ rpm and makes like 800 hp... that would do it for me...
ps. they need to fix the front end
ps. they need to fix the front end
To make 800HP from a NA engine you'd still need it to be pretty large in terms of displacement. I am guessing like 7 liters.
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Originally Posted by Crazy88
buddies nieghbor has an enzo, saw it at starbucks and asked the guy what the 1/4mi was and he was like uhhh?? I stared at that car for a good 10 minutes, I could only imagine driving that thing WOW. As we were leaving there was a crowd of 10 people just gawking at the car.
btw how the hell can they improve that thing?? its good enough
btw how the hell can they improve that thing?? its good enough
LOL... I'm sure he would have known 0-60 0-100 or 0-100-0. Or even it's *handling* numbers.
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Originally Posted by domn
NA "production" engine
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Wouldn't expect someone who owns a ferrari to know about the mullet 1/4 mile racing.
LOL... I'm sure he would have known 0-60 0-100 or 0-100-0. Or even it's *handling* numbers.
LOL... I'm sure he would have known 0-60 0-100 or 0-100-0. Or even it's *handling* numbers.
0-400 meters is also the most popular acceleration test for bikes in Europe (and elsewhere). So they do know the metric.
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Looks like Ferrari is getting a little scared at all the other big boys. I remember back when the f40 and 50 were around, they along with very few others were the big boys. Now yard is full of them.
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sounds like they just want a prettier version which retains the same aerodynamics characteristics
interesting comment in the article for me was that they feel they are nearing the engineering limits of what can be done on a street legal car. And with every passing year it will only get worse (as new "green" laws are introduced). i.e. the super car as we know it is a dying breed.
interesting comment in the article for me was that they feel they are nearing the engineering limits of what can be done on a street legal car. And with every passing year it will only get worse (as new "green" laws are introduced). i.e. the super car as we know it is a dying breed.
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the Chrysler designed ME412 is faster, and arguably better looking than the Enzo is...I don't see this move of Ferrari's to be surprising...they need to keep up!
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is this the "super Enzo"??? not sure the source, got it from 6speed...
New FXX to turn client-collectors into genuine Ferrari Test Drivers
Ferrari has developed a truly innovative technical collaboration programme around the FXX prototype aimed at its most dedicated and passionate Clients.
The FXX is the most advanced GT ever created at Maranello and its mission is to involve our most valued Clients as genuine Prancing Horse Test Drivers in their own right.
The wealth of data and experience gathered in the course of this very special programme will be exceptionally important.
In fact, the feedback from these highly skilled, non-professional Client Test Drivers will be compared and supplemented with suggestions from Michael Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello and Ferrari’s professional in-house Test Drivers.
Every Client who signs up for the FXX project by purchasing one of the estimated 20 or so cars being built, will actually be joining Team Ferrari, and will have his driving experiences at the wheel of this new car monitored directly by the Prancing Horse’s technicians and specialists.
The FXX is the fruit of Ferrari’s know-how in building special limited-series sports cars combined with, of course, its racing experience. It will provide the basic framework on which the specifics of future extreme models will be worked out. The exceptionally powerful FXX delivers absolutely blistering performance on all fronts.
The FXX has not been homologated for road use and thus will not be a competition model. It will be used exclusively on the track as part of a specific ongoing research and development programme featuring this first ever group of Client Test Drivers.
The FXX is powered by an imposing 6,262 cc V12 engine that can punch out over 800 hp at 8,500 rpm.
Its gearbox is the result of the transfer of F1 strategies, delivering gear change times of under 100 ms. This is almost as fast as the F1 single-seaters, themselves the absolute pinnacle of current technological achievement.
The FXX’s aerodynamic design is particularly innovative too as it has resulted in a shape that produces 40% higher downforce than ever achieved before. It is also possible to adjust the FXX’s mobile spoiler configuration to suit the specific circuit.
Ferrari’s partnership with Bridgestone has resulted in the development of a specific 19” slick tyre for this particular model. Likewise Brembo has created a special brake cooling and pad system for the FXX’s extra large Composite Ceramic Material disc brakes.
The Client Test Drivers will also be able to share their unique track experience with a passenger – in fact a second seat is also available.
What really sets the FXX apart, however, is the sophisticated telemetry system which will monitor and give feedback on 39 different vehicle dynamics parameters in real time. The system is also able to record other data as demanded by specific circumstances.
The information gathered will then be analysed by the Ferrari technicians working on the programme and discussed with the individual Client Drivers to ensure that the car is kept constantly updated.
The FXX package also includes participation in a series of track events to be organised by Ferrari on various international-level circuits over the coming two years. On these occasions, an official team of technicians will be on hand to provide any assistance and support required by the Client Test Driver.
In addition to these truly unique official events, Clients will also be able to take their cars out on the track independently during private sessions. Clients wishing to leave their car at Maranello will be glad to know that the vehicles will be transported directly by Ferrari to the various European circuits for the various scheduled events.
Given the car’s exceptional performance and the unique nature of the package, delivery of each FXX will also include an ad hoc driving course. The instructors will, of course, be professional drivers and the courses will take place at the Fiorano Circuit where Ferrari does its most important F1 single-seater testing.
After the seat and the pedals have been individually tailored to each driver, there will be a traditional “shakedown” followed by a training session to introduce the Client Test Drivers to test driving methodologies.
Quite amazing, but ugly. I have pictures in High Res
After a careful client order selection process, the first FXXs will be delivered by the end of this year. The initial testing of the definitive car will be taking place over the coming days at Fiorano.
The FXX and the relative package cost a total of 1.5 million euro (excluding taxes). Applications to join the programme are being evaluated by a special in-house committee.
Ferrari has developed a truly innovative technical collaboration programme around the FXX prototype aimed at its most dedicated and passionate Clients.
The FXX is the most advanced GT ever created at Maranello and its mission is to involve our most valued Clients as genuine Prancing Horse Test Drivers in their own right.
The wealth of data and experience gathered in the course of this very special programme will be exceptionally important.
In fact, the feedback from these highly skilled, non-professional Client Test Drivers will be compared and supplemented with suggestions from Michael Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello and Ferrari’s professional in-house Test Drivers.
Every Client who signs up for the FXX project by purchasing one of the estimated 20 or so cars being built, will actually be joining Team Ferrari, and will have his driving experiences at the wheel of this new car monitored directly by the Prancing Horse’s technicians and specialists.
The FXX is the fruit of Ferrari’s know-how in building special limited-series sports cars combined with, of course, its racing experience. It will provide the basic framework on which the specifics of future extreme models will be worked out. The exceptionally powerful FXX delivers absolutely blistering performance on all fronts.
The FXX has not been homologated for road use and thus will not be a competition model. It will be used exclusively on the track as part of a specific ongoing research and development programme featuring this first ever group of Client Test Drivers.
The FXX is powered by an imposing 6,262 cc V12 engine that can punch out over 800 hp at 8,500 rpm.
Its gearbox is the result of the transfer of F1 strategies, delivering gear change times of under 100 ms. This is almost as fast as the F1 single-seaters, themselves the absolute pinnacle of current technological achievement.
The FXX’s aerodynamic design is particularly innovative too as it has resulted in a shape that produces 40% higher downforce than ever achieved before. It is also possible to adjust the FXX’s mobile spoiler configuration to suit the specific circuit.
Ferrari’s partnership with Bridgestone has resulted in the development of a specific 19” slick tyre for this particular model. Likewise Brembo has created a special brake cooling and pad system for the FXX’s extra large Composite Ceramic Material disc brakes.
The Client Test Drivers will also be able to share their unique track experience with a passenger – in fact a second seat is also available.
What really sets the FXX apart, however, is the sophisticated telemetry system which will monitor and give feedback on 39 different vehicle dynamics parameters in real time. The system is also able to record other data as demanded by specific circumstances.
The information gathered will then be analysed by the Ferrari technicians working on the programme and discussed with the individual Client Drivers to ensure that the car is kept constantly updated.
The FXX package also includes participation in a series of track events to be organised by Ferrari on various international-level circuits over the coming two years. On these occasions, an official team of technicians will be on hand to provide any assistance and support required by the Client Test Driver.
In addition to these truly unique official events, Clients will also be able to take their cars out on the track independently during private sessions. Clients wishing to leave their car at Maranello will be glad to know that the vehicles will be transported directly by Ferrari to the various European circuits for the various scheduled events.
Given the car’s exceptional performance and the unique nature of the package, delivery of each FXX will also include an ad hoc driving course. The instructors will, of course, be professional drivers and the courses will take place at the Fiorano Circuit where Ferrari does its most important F1 single-seater testing.
After the seat and the pedals have been individually tailored to each driver, there will be a traditional “shakedown” followed by a training session to introduce the Client Test Drivers to test driving methodologies.
Quite amazing, but ugly. I have pictures in High Res
After a careful client order selection process, the first FXXs will be delivered by the end of this year. The initial testing of the definitive car will be taking place over the coming days at Fiorano.
The FXX and the relative package cost a total of 1.5 million euro (excluding taxes). Applications to join the programme are being evaluated by a special in-house committee.
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Oh. My. Gawd.
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I could live w/ 800 HP
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800 HP!!
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Look! Up on Fiorano! It's Super Enzo! - - By MAC MORRISON - - Source: Autoweek
Ferrari raised eyebrows in Maranello by running this modified Enzo supercar around the company’s Fiorano test track. Additional front air intakes, a heavily revised rear end and relocated exhaust outlets distinguish the car from the version Ferrari ceased building in 2004.
Speculation—based in part on the revised rear end and the flames seen licking from the exhaust during testing—suggests a car with an engine more powerful and larger than the original’s 6.0-liter, 660-hp V12, possibly a 6.5- or 6.8-liter V12.
Does this indicate Ferrari may assemble more Enzos in addition to the produced tally of 399? Don’t count on it, says our Ferrari insider, who tells us the car is merely part of Ferrari’s standard technology development program and is from the original batch of production Enzos.
Speculation—based in part on the revised rear end and the flames seen licking from the exhaust during testing—suggests a car with an engine more powerful and larger than the original’s 6.0-liter, 660-hp V12, possibly a 6.5- or 6.8-liter V12.
Does this indicate Ferrari may assemble more Enzos in addition to the produced tally of 399? Don’t count on it, says our Ferrari insider, who tells us the car is merely part of Ferrari’s standard technology development program and is from the original batch of production Enzos.
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damn. just damn. I want it!!! pronto.
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So there is no Super Enzo? (other than for testing?)
When the Super Enzo comes to market, they'll start a new production counter.
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New FXX to turn client-collectors into genuine Ferrari Test Drivers
Maranello, 15th June – Ferrari has developed a truly innovative technical collaboration programme around the FXX prototype aimed at its most dedicated and passionate Clients.
The FXX is the most advanced GT ever created at Maranello and its mission is to involve Ferrari’s most valued Clients as genuine Prancing Horse Test Drivers in their own right. The wealth of data and experience gathered in the course of this very special programme will be exceptionally important.
In fact, the feedback from these highly skilled, non-professional Client Test Drivers will be compared and supplemented with suggestions from Michael Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello and Ferrari’s professional in-house Test Drivers.
Every Client who signs up for the FXX project by purchasing one of the estimated 20 or so cars being built, will actually be joining Team Ferrari, and will have his driving experiences at the wheel of this new car monitored directly by the Prancing Horse’s technicians and specialists.
The FXX is the fruit of Ferrari’s know-how in building special limited-series sports cars combined with, of course, its racing experience. It will provide the basic framework on which the specifics of future extreme models will be worked out. The exceptionally powerful FXX delivers absolutely blistering performance on all fronts.
The FXX has not been homologated for road use and thus will not be a competition model. It will be used exclusively on the track as part of a specific ongoing research and development programme featuring this first ever group of Client Test Drivers.
The FXX is powered by an imposing 6,262 cc V12 engine that can punch out over 800 hp at 8,500 rpm. Its gearbox is the result of the transfer of F1 strategies, delivering gear change times of under 100 ms. This is almost as fast as the F1 single-seaters, themselves the absolute pinnacle of current technological achievement.
The FXX’s aerodynamic design is particularly innovative too as it has resulted in a shape that produces 40% higher downforce than ever achieved before. It is also possible to adjust the FXX’s mobile spoiler configuration to suit the specific circuit.
Ferrari’s partnership with Bridgestone has resulted in the development of a specific 19” slick tyre for this particular model. Likewise Brembo has created a special brake cooling and pad system for the FXX’s extra large Composite Ceramic Material disc brakes.
The Client Test Drivers will also be able to share their unique track experience with a passenger – in fact a second seat is available.
What really sets the FXX apart, however, is the sophisticated telemetry system which will monitor and give feedback on 39 different vehicle dynamics parameters in real time. The system is also able to record other data as demanded by specific circumstances.
The information gathered will then be analysed by the Ferrari technicians working on the programme and discussed with the individual Client Drivers to ensure that the car is kept constantly updated.
The FXX package also includes participation in a series of track events to be organised by Ferrari on various international-level circuits over the coming two years. On these occasions, an official team of technicians will be on hand to provide any assistance and support required by the Client Test Driver.
In addition to these truly unique official events, Clients will also be able to take their cars out on the track independently during private sessions. Clients wishing to leave their car at Maranello will be glad to know that the vehicles will be transported directly by Ferrari to the various European circuits for the scheduled events.
Given the car’s exceptional performance and the unique nature of the package, delivery of each FXX will also include an ad hoc driving course. The instructors will, of course, be professional drivers and the courses will take place at the Fiorano Circuit where Ferrari does its most important F1 single-seaters testing.
After the seat and the pedals have been individually tailored to each driver, there will be a traditional “shakedown” followed by a training session dedicated to test driving methodologies.
After a careful client order selection process, the first FXXs will be delivered by the end of this year. The initial testing of the definitive car is currently taking place at Fiorano. The FXX and the relative package cost a total of 1.5 million euro (excluding taxes) and applications to join the programme are being evaluated by a special in-house committee.
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Originally Posted by MSZ
800hp? I bet the folks in Saleen will try to push S7's HP to 850.
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
I believe Saleen makes a 750HP non IC twin turbo S7, and a 1000HP version with an IC twin turbo that I read somewhere.
That's correct.