Ferrari Enzo vs. Porsche Carrera GT vs. Ford GT
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Ferrari Enzo vs. Porsche Carrera GT vs. Ford GT
A Twist of Le Mans: Ferrari Enzo, the Porsche Carrera GT, and the Ford GT. - - In this exclusive first instrumented test, we launch all three toward the magic 200-mph barrier--and reveal which is the fastest of them all. - - By Arthur St. Antoine - - Photography by John Kiewicz & Brian Vance - - Source: Motor Trend, October 2004
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THE PLAYERS
Three race-bred, no-compromises sizzlemobiles: the Ferrari Enzo ($652,830), the Porsche Carrera GT ($448,300), and the Ford GT ($150,525).
THE GAME
With IRL star Bryan Herta at the helm, a unique trio of road missiles takes to the high banks in search of 200 mph--and beyond.
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Ferrari's awesome Enzo, unleashed in 2003, is for all intents and purposes a race car hiding beneath a trenchcoat of barely street-legal civility. It's always flashing glimpses of its true racy self: featherweight carbon-fiber structure; 651-horsepower, 48-valve, naturally aspirated 6.0-liter V-12 engine; six-speed paddle-shift transmission; 15-inch carbo-ceramic brakes front and rear. No radio. No power windows. Nothing but extreme go-fast hardware (okay, there's an air-conditioner to cool your sweaty palms). In fact, Ferrari used the Enzo as the basis for the new Maserati MC12 race car, scheduled to compete at the 2005 24 Hours of Le Mans. The price for such purebred performance? A mere $1002.81. Per horsepower. The bottom line on the sticker says $652,830, but the current street value for one of the limited run of just 399 Enzos (all have been sold) is twice that. Our insurance agent visibly shivered at the news.
Porsche's brand-new 2004 Carrera GT actually was a Le Mans race car, at least at first. Porsche originally planned to build a new V-10-powered, carbon-fiber entry for the 2000 24-hour event. Sensing the Enzo's looming shadow, increasing costs, and pending rules changes, the German maker suddenly canceled its race program and instead focused its resources on creating a no-compromises velocity titan for the road. The race team's loss is the sports-car world's gain: a 605-horsepower, 40-valve, 5.7-liter V-10; six-speed manual transmission; 15-inch composite-ceramic brakes front and back; carbon fiber inside and out. Sticker price: a tidy $448,300 for each of the 1500 or so examples the company expects to build this year.
Probably no other car in the world says "Le Mans" like Ford's gorgeous 2005 GT. If the body looks like it belongs on the starting grid, that's because the seemingly identical Ford GT40s were there, winning the event four years in a row beginning in 1966. The aluminum-bodied 2005 GT is no mere skin job: Under its rear clamshell lurks a supercharged, 32-valve, 5.4-liter V-8 good for 550 horsepower (well up from the 500-horsepower figure Ford released during our drive of a GT prototype last year), and a group-high 500 pound-feet of torque. Brawn like that unquestionably puts the GT in the same performance league as the European entries, yet at $150,525 it's barely a third as expensive as the Porsche and less than a quarter the sticker price of the Enzo. Dearborn deserves to be proud.
Why no Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren? The new carbon-fiber-bodied, 617-horsepower uebercar certainly has the qualifications--and Mercedes' Le Mans heritage--to deserve a spot in this test, but the German maker declined to provide a test car, citing ongoing high-speed-stability development.
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2003 Ferrari Enzo 2005 Ford GT 2004 Porsche Carrera GT
Displacement, ci/cc 366.0 / 5998 330.1 / 5409 349.8 / 5733
Max SAE net horsepower 651 @ 7800 rpm 550 @ 6500 rpm 605 @ 8000 rpm
Max SAE net torque, lb-ft 485 @ 5500 rpm 500 @ 3750 rpm 435 @ 5750 rpm
Weight to power, lb/hp 5.0 6.3 5.4
Redline 8200 6500 8400
Tires, f;r 245/35ZR19 89Y; 345/35ZR19 110Y Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Scuderia 235/45ZR18 88Y; 315/40ZR19 103Y Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 265/35ZR19 94Y; 335/30ZR20 104Y Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Curb weight, lb 3254 3468 3258
0-30 1.4 1.6 1.5
0-40 2.0 2.3 2.0
0-50 2.8 2.8 3.0
0-60 3.4 3.7 3.6
0-70 4.0 4.4 4.3
0-80 5.2 5.3 5.1
0-90 6.1 6.3 6.3
0-100 7.0 7.4 7.3
0-100-0 11.0 11.7 11.3
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 11.0 @ 133.9 11.2 @ 131.2 11.1 @ 133.4
Top speed, mph 211.0 200.1 201.5
Braking, 100-0 mph, ft 289 301 277
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 106 110 101
600-ft slalom, mph 71.0 71.8 73.2
200-ft skidpad, ave g 0.96 0.91 0.99
MT fig-eight, sec @ avg g 24.5 @ 0.82 25.2 @ 0.77 23.8 @ 0.86
Excerpts of the article:
Snapshot
THE PLAYERS
Three race-bred, no-compromises sizzlemobiles: the Ferrari Enzo ($652,830), the Porsche Carrera GT ($448,300), and the Ford GT ($150,525).
THE GAME
With IRL star Bryan Herta at the helm, a unique trio of road missiles takes to the high banks in search of 200 mph--and beyond.
...
Ferrari's awesome Enzo, unleashed in 2003, is for all intents and purposes a race car hiding beneath a trenchcoat of barely street-legal civility. It's always flashing glimpses of its true racy self: featherweight carbon-fiber structure; 651-horsepower, 48-valve, naturally aspirated 6.0-liter V-12 engine; six-speed paddle-shift transmission; 15-inch carbo-ceramic brakes front and rear. No radio. No power windows. Nothing but extreme go-fast hardware (okay, there's an air-conditioner to cool your sweaty palms). In fact, Ferrari used the Enzo as the basis for the new Maserati MC12 race car, scheduled to compete at the 2005 24 Hours of Le Mans. The price for such purebred performance? A mere $1002.81. Per horsepower. The bottom line on the sticker says $652,830, but the current street value for one of the limited run of just 399 Enzos (all have been sold) is twice that. Our insurance agent visibly shivered at the news.
Porsche's brand-new 2004 Carrera GT actually was a Le Mans race car, at least at first. Porsche originally planned to build a new V-10-powered, carbon-fiber entry for the 2000 24-hour event. Sensing the Enzo's looming shadow, increasing costs, and pending rules changes, the German maker suddenly canceled its race program and instead focused its resources on creating a no-compromises velocity titan for the road. The race team's loss is the sports-car world's gain: a 605-horsepower, 40-valve, 5.7-liter V-10; six-speed manual transmission; 15-inch composite-ceramic brakes front and back; carbon fiber inside and out. Sticker price: a tidy $448,300 for each of the 1500 or so examples the company expects to build this year.
Probably no other car in the world says "Le Mans" like Ford's gorgeous 2005 GT. If the body looks like it belongs on the starting grid, that's because the seemingly identical Ford GT40s were there, winning the event four years in a row beginning in 1966. The aluminum-bodied 2005 GT is no mere skin job: Under its rear clamshell lurks a supercharged, 32-valve, 5.4-liter V-8 good for 550 horsepower (well up from the 500-horsepower figure Ford released during our drive of a GT prototype last year), and a group-high 500 pound-feet of torque. Brawn like that unquestionably puts the GT in the same performance league as the European entries, yet at $150,525 it's barely a third as expensive as the Porsche and less than a quarter the sticker price of the Enzo. Dearborn deserves to be proud.
Why no Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren? The new carbon-fiber-bodied, 617-horsepower uebercar certainly has the qualifications--and Mercedes' Le Mans heritage--to deserve a spot in this test, but the German maker declined to provide a test car, citing ongoing high-speed-stability development.
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2003 Ferrari Enzo 2005 Ford GT 2004 Porsche Carrera GT
Displacement, ci/cc 366.0 / 5998 330.1 / 5409 349.8 / 5733
Max SAE net horsepower 651 @ 7800 rpm 550 @ 6500 rpm 605 @ 8000 rpm
Max SAE net torque, lb-ft 485 @ 5500 rpm 500 @ 3750 rpm 435 @ 5750 rpm
Weight to power, lb/hp 5.0 6.3 5.4
Redline 8200 6500 8400
Tires, f;r 245/35ZR19 89Y; 345/35ZR19 110Y Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Scuderia 235/45ZR18 88Y; 315/40ZR19 103Y Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 265/35ZR19 94Y; 335/30ZR20 104Y Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Curb weight, lb 3254 3468 3258
0-30 1.4 1.6 1.5
0-40 2.0 2.3 2.0
0-50 2.8 2.8 3.0
0-60 3.4 3.7 3.6
0-70 4.0 4.4 4.3
0-80 5.2 5.3 5.1
0-90 6.1 6.3 6.3
0-100 7.0 7.4 7.3
0-100-0 11.0 11.7 11.3
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 11.0 @ 133.9 11.2 @ 131.2 11.1 @ 133.4
Top speed, mph 211.0 200.1 201.5
Braking, 100-0 mph, ft 289 301 277
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 106 110 101
600-ft slalom, mph 71.0 71.8 73.2
200-ft skidpad, ave g 0.96 0.91 0.99
MT fig-eight, sec @ avg g 24.5 @ 0.82 25.2 @ 0.77 23.8 @ 0.86
12-27-2004, 10:46 AM
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Wow. Look at the GT's 1/4 mile time and speed. It looks like Ford changed the SC pulley for 600+HP to me 
Good job Ford. Running with the best.
Good job Ford. Running with the best.
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Looking at the rest of the numbers:
1. Comparing to displacement and looking at claimed torque and HP figures and disregarding the GT due to it being force-fed, it looks like the Ferrari engineers have done slightly a better job than the Porsche engineers. Slightly better specific torque and power at lower rpm. Also, the Carrera's engine is slightly more of a "spinner" than the Ferrari's. Redline proves that. I wonder what the dyno charts look like.
2. The GT wins the max. torque item but look how much lower it peaks compared to the others.
3. You know that Ford's engineers can very easily tune this engine to 650HP. The GT would win the acceleration test but I am not sure if the car could aerodynamically be able to top its current top speed. But that's easily tuned with a top speed limiter if that happened. It would be cool to see the GT spank both of these in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times assuming available traction.
4. It is a little disappointing to see the Enzo not come with a manual tranny, no matter how good the auto-clutch manual tranny is.
5. Talking about traction before. Looking at the dimension of the wheels, you can tell how "under-sized" the GT is as compared to the other two. GT = 11.5 inch wheels in the rear as opposed to 13 for the Enzo and 12.5 for the Carrera. I think 0-60 acceleration might have improved with wider wheels and roadholding would also improve. Of course many other performance (and not) metrics would suffer but who knows by how much. I mean certainly this car has enough torque to be able to handle wider wheels in the rear. I wonder what Ford's engineers found if and when they tested wider wheels.
6. As a result the GT wears the skinnier tires of the group.
7. Enzo has the shortest wheelbase, yet the longest overall length. Very interesting. Yet it's also the widest. Ferrari always went super wide with their cars. Always. And it makes sense.
8. It's amazing how close the Porsche and the Ferrari are when it comes to curb weight. They are 4 pounds apart! GT is the heaviest by far yet so close in acceleration. These cant be 550HP in there, there has got to be some more in there. Or the other two are over-claiming. Especially the Enzo. And for Ferrari, it wont be the first time that happens.
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0-30: I can assume that the GT "hooks" the worst as compared to the other two. Knowing that the torque is higher for the GT, it's got to be available traction that hurts it. Hence my observation of the skinny wheels and tires above.
0-50: The Enzo and the GT are par! With the Carrera behind them.
0-60 run: It's amazing how consistent the GT has been. I have been seeing 3.7 secs in so many tests now. That's a good thing in my book.
0-90: GT and Carrera are par.
0-100-0: I think this is very impressive performance by the Enzo. Because later we see that the Carrera has the best brakes. So how did the Enzo win by so far? It cant be all acceleration... It must be that Ferrari magic dust
1/4 mile. I mean it's unbelievable how close the GT is to the other two when looking at max claimed power, torque and total weight. Plus the "deficient" wheel and tire package for the GT. Something is off here. Of course skinny wheels and tires help in acceleration once the car hooks, but I am assuming that in this test the first few feet are more important. These cars have a lot of power and torque and traction is king.
Top Speed: Ferrari once again shows that they can make exotics that can keep going and going and going and going.... Great performance here for the Enzo.
10. INteresting to see the Carrera win all braking tests. Good job Porsche!
11. Same with the slalom, the skidpad and the figure eight. The latter performance is very impressive and it shows that on the track the Carrera will be hard to beat. But I am sure that Italian magic dust would somehow find a way to slight through at the last minute
12. Looking at the price one is landed back to earth once again and realizes that Ford has basically humiliated both Porche and Ferrari once again. Strong words maybe but backed up by very solid numbers. And no, the old argument of "Ferrari's unbeatable feeling one gets that cant be told with numbers" wont cut it this time. The GT has plenty of magic in itself from the factory. It is a true exotic. We're not comparing the Z06 with the 575M in this case. Ford wins hands down when price is in play.
13. Then you're looking at the warranty and the above sounds even more logical. TWO years for the Enzo! And you know it will break more than the Ford. But the cake on this one goes to the Porsche. Great job here Porsche. I was expecting the GT to match Porsche's warranty.
14. Holy shit, look how much fuel one can put in the Enzo!!!
15. Then you look at the EPA gas consumption and you realize why Ford again wins by far. I mean 21 mpg on the highway. That's far away from exotic territory and it approaches family car/suv territory. IN some cases it beats some SUVs.
16. So for the Enzo to have about the same range as the GT, it must have alsmost double the gas tank capacity. Wow. Even when thinking "who the hell cares about how much gas the Enzo consumes", it is still impressive when you look at the numbers and it makes a valid, in my opinion, point.
1. Comparing to displacement and looking at claimed torque and HP figures and disregarding the GT due to it being force-fed, it looks like the Ferrari engineers have done slightly a better job than the Porsche engineers. Slightly better specific torque and power at lower rpm. Also, the Carrera's engine is slightly more of a "spinner" than the Ferrari's. Redline proves that. I wonder what the dyno charts look like.
2. The GT wins the max. torque item but look how much lower it peaks compared to the others.
3. You know that Ford's engineers can very easily tune this engine to 650HP. The GT would win the acceleration test but I am not sure if the car could aerodynamically be able to top its current top speed. But that's easily tuned with a top speed limiter if that happened. It would be cool to see the GT spank both of these in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times assuming available traction.
4. It is a little disappointing to see the Enzo not come with a manual tranny, no matter how good the auto-clutch manual tranny is.
5. Talking about traction before. Looking at the dimension of the wheels, you can tell how "under-sized" the GT is as compared to the other two. GT = 11.5 inch wheels in the rear as opposed to 13 for the Enzo and 12.5 for the Carrera. I think 0-60 acceleration might have improved with wider wheels and roadholding would also improve. Of course many other performance (and not) metrics would suffer but who knows by how much. I mean certainly this car has enough torque to be able to handle wider wheels in the rear. I wonder what Ford's engineers found if and when they tested wider wheels.
6. As a result the GT wears the skinnier tires of the group.
7. Enzo has the shortest wheelbase, yet the longest overall length. Very interesting. Yet it's also the widest. Ferrari always went super wide with their cars. Always. And it makes sense.
8. It's amazing how close the Porsche and the Ferrari are when it comes to curb weight. They are 4 pounds apart! GT is the heaviest by far yet so close in acceleration. These cant be 550HP in there, there has got to be some more in there. Or the other two are over-claiming. Especially the Enzo. And for Ferrari, it wont be the first time that happens.
9.
0-30: I can assume that the GT "hooks" the worst as compared to the other two. Knowing that the torque is higher for the GT, it's got to be available traction that hurts it. Hence my observation of the skinny wheels and tires above.
0-50: The Enzo and the GT are par! With the Carrera behind them.
0-60 run: It's amazing how consistent the GT has been. I have been seeing 3.7 secs in so many tests now. That's a good thing in my book.
0-90: GT and Carrera are par.
0-100-0: I think this is very impressive performance by the Enzo. Because later we see that the Carrera has the best brakes. So how did the Enzo win by so far? It cant be all acceleration... It must be that Ferrari magic dust
1/4 mile. I mean it's unbelievable how close the GT is to the other two when looking at max claimed power, torque and total weight. Plus the "deficient" wheel and tire package for the GT. Something is off here. Of course skinny wheels and tires help in acceleration once the car hooks, but I am assuming that in this test the first few feet are more important. These cars have a lot of power and torque and traction is king.
Top Speed: Ferrari once again shows that they can make exotics that can keep going and going and going and going....
Great performance here for the Enzo.10. INteresting to see the Carrera win all braking tests. Good job Porsche!
11. Same with the slalom, the skidpad and the figure eight. The latter performance is very impressive and it shows that on the track the Carrera will be hard to beat. But I am sure that Italian magic dust would somehow find a way to slight through at the last minute
12. Looking at the price one is landed back to earth once again and realizes that Ford has basically humiliated both Porche and Ferrari once again. Strong words maybe but backed up by very solid numbers. And no, the old argument of "Ferrari's unbeatable feeling one gets that cant be told with numbers" wont cut it this time. The GT has plenty of magic in itself from the factory. It is a true exotic. We're not comparing the Z06 with the 575M in this case. Ford wins hands down when price is in play.
13. Then you're looking at the warranty and the above sounds even more logical. TWO years for the Enzo! And you know it will break more than the Ford. But the cake on this one goes to the Porsche. Great job here Porsche. I was expecting the GT to match Porsche's warranty.
14. Holy shit, look how much fuel one can put in the Enzo!!!
15. Then you look at the EPA gas consumption and you realize why
Ford again wins by far. I mean 21 mpg on the highway. That's far away from exotic territory and it approaches family car/suv territory. IN some cases it beats some SUVs.16. So for the Enzo to have about the same range as the GT, it must have alsmost double the gas tank capacity. Wow. Even when thinking "who the hell cares about how much gas the Enzo consumes", it is still impressive when you look at the numbers and it makes a valid, in my opinion, point.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I mean 21 mpg on the highway. That's far away from exotic territory and it approaches family car/suv territory. IN some cases it beats some SUVs.
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
But... but... Top Gear said 4 MPG! They are, after all, the pinnacle of journalism! How could they have failed me?
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This definitely shows how good of a job Ford did with the GT. Even with the recalls, it looks like a very good choice for frugal, speed-hungry millionaires.
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
But... but... Top Gear said 4 MPG! They are, after all, the pinnacle of journalism! How could they have failed me?
Top Gear understand NOTHING about USA Automotive reality. This has been confirmed numerous times by the crap they say when they test a car that's not sold in Europe, or one that sells well here but not well there.
hard to pick a winner here.
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I would take the GT and mod it. A pulley, custom tune, and headers should put this beast well into the 10s on street tires. With slicks you are looking at a low 10s street car. IMO the Enzo and Carrera GT are pretty much tapped out. Also, I would have like to see Ford match the curb weights of both of the vehicles. I am sure the buyer of these cars wouldn't mind a couple grand increase for exotic materials such as Carbon Fiber and Magnessium.
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Originally Posted by Red-CL
Holy shit.
I couldn't even imagine owning a car pulling those #'s.
For 25K or so you can. A moderately modified 1st or 2nd gen. DSM will do 11.0 easily.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I would take the GT and mod it. A pulley, custom tune, and headers should put this beast well into the 10s on street tires. With slicks you are looking at a low 10s street car. IMO the Enzo and Carrera GT are pretty much tapped out. Also, I would have like to see Ford match the curb weights of both of the vehicles. I am sure the buyer of these cars wouldn't mind a couple grand increase for exotic materials such as Carbon Fiber and Magnessium.
A less than moderately modified GT with slicks will do 9s, all day is my guess.
Finally, I dont think use of carbon fiber would increase the price by only "a couple grand"
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Originally Posted by gavriil
For 25K or so you can. A moderately modified 1st or 2nd gen. DSM will do 11.0 easily.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
A less than moderately modified GT with slicks will do 9s, all day is my guess.
Finally, I dont think use of carbon fiber would increase the price by only "a couple grand"
Finally, I dont think use of carbon fiber would increase the price by only "a couple grand"
Edit: I just re-read the 03 MT test of the Ford GT. The article stated that the subframe is made of aluminum as well as the body panels and suspension pieces. Sounds like a lightweight combo on paper, I wonder what's weighing down the GT.
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That Ford GT definitely got a pulley swap; but its pretty impressive indeed!! Love all those cars. Why wasn't the SLR included in the test?? I would love to see what it has to offer.
Because the numbers just don't add up.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
For 25K or so you can. A moderately modified 1st or 2nd gen. DSM will do 11.0 easily.
I know but I think I'll wait until I get an AWD Sport Coupe with a reliable tranny to do that to.
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Originally Posted by importtuner
That Ford GT definitely got a pulley swap; but its pretty impressive indeed!! Love all those cars. Why wasn't the SLR included in the test?? I would love to see what it has to offer.
The reason why it runs so well with a supposed 550hp is that the GT is most likely making close to 550hp to the wheels. They got spooked by the old Cobra HP scandal, so they now underrate their engines. Look at the 2003/4 Cobra.. It makes close to it's 390 rated HP to the wheels.
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
It didn't.. It's been running those #'s in every test. These are actually slower performance figures than some other mags got.
12-28-2004, 09:50 AM
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Well...those are three cars I'll never be able to afford without some help from the Powerball lottery.
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Originally Posted by importtuner
That Ford GT definitely got a pulley swap; but its pretty impressive indeed!! Love all those cars. Why wasn't the SLR included in the test?? I would love to see what it has to offer.
It mentions above about the SLR's absence.
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
It didn't.. It's been running those #'s in every test. These are actually slower performance figures than some other mags got.
The reason why it runs so well with a supposed 550hp is that the GT is most likely making close to 550hp to the wheels. They got spooked by the old Cobra HP scandal, so they now underrate their engines. Look at the 2003/4 Cobra.. It makes close to it's 390 rated HP to the wheels.
The reason why it runs so well with a supposed 550hp is that the GT is most likely making close to 550hp to the wheels. They got spooked by the old Cobra HP scandal, so they now underrate their engines. Look at the 2003/4 Cobra.. It makes close to it's 390 rated HP to the wheels.
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You guys are aware that sometimes manufacturers underrate engines. I have read that the engine in the GT is making more power than what the manufacturer publishes. The engine in the GT is definitely underrated and it shows in the trap speeds. 130 trap speeds are good for low 10s(Gav you were right, I didnt notice that trap!).
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