Federal Gas Tax news
#41
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The mileage assesment doesn't need to be done by GPS - the mileage driven could just be reported to the tax dept during the yearly safety inspection. You then get a bill for the miles driven and no one knows where those miles were used.
The thing is, unlike the current gas tax which is hard to evade, any mileage related tax could create a whole industry of ways to evade it.
The thing is, unlike the current gas tax which is hard to evade, any mileage related tax could create a whole industry of ways to evade it.
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#42
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The mileage assesment doesn't need to be done by GPS - the mileage driven could just be reported to the tax dept during the yearly safety inspection. You then get a bill for the miles driven and no one knows where those miles were used.
The thing is, unlike the current gas tax which is hard to evade, any mileage related tax could create a whole industry of ways to evade it.![Too Cool](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/toocool.gif)
The thing is, unlike the current gas tax which is hard to evade, any mileage related tax could create a whole industry of ways to evade it.
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#48
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http://content.usatoday.com/communit...pg-standard-/1
Final fuel economy rules rolled out this afternoon.
They specify that all new vehicles sold in the U.S. must average the equivalent of 54.5 miles per gallon in 2025, up from 29.7 now and 35.5 mpg by 2016.
It is "a monumental day for the American people," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in announcing that the rules now are final.
The announcement comes as the Republicans open their national convention in Tampa. LaHood several times praised President Obama, a Democrat, for efforts to boost fuel economy and save consumers money.
LaHood said the regulations might boost the price of a new vehicle $1,800 in 2025, but the lower fuel expense could save drivers $8,000 over the life of the cars.
Auto dealers disagree. The National Automobile Dealers Association said the higher mpg standard "will hike the average price of a new vehicle by nearly $3,000 when fully implemented. This increase shuts almost 7 million people out of the new car market entirely and prevents many millions more from being able to afford new vehicles that meet their needs."
What you won't see is anything close to 54.5 mpg on the window sticker of 2025-model cars and trucks.
Why your real-world mileage will vary:
The government mileage rating on the new vehicle window stickers will be in the high 30s to around 40 mpg in combined city/highway driving. The window-sticker mileage rating is arrived at using a formula meant to match real-world driving. By contrast, the federal mileage rule -- so-called CAFE, for corporate average fuel economy -- is based on lab tests for combined city and highway driving.
Automakers, through their lobby group Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said: "After years of billion-dollar investments by automakers, consumers have a lot of choice in fuel-efficient cars and light trucks, and automakers are working to sell these high-mileage vehicles in high volumes."
LaHood called such cars "wildly popular."
The category where most high-mileage cars are found -- the group defined as small cars and including everything from the tiny Fiat 500 to the bigger Toyota Corolla compact -- are selling 18.3% faster through July than they were a year ago, according to tallymaster Autodata.
However, that's not a huge lead compared with all new vehicle sales, which are up 14%. And midsize cars are even more popular than small ones, up 21.8% from a year earlier.
"Compliance with higher fuel-economy standards is based on sales," the Alliance said in a statement, drawing a distinction between what buyers will accept and what automakers might be forced to build to meet the tighter regulations.
The Natural Resources Defense Council applauded the final rules.
"We're very happy. This is a good rule, a strong rule. This is the biggest step this country's taken to reduce pollution and our dependence on oil since the original 1970s" Clean Air Act, says Roland Hwang, NRDC's transportation director.
The final rules say the government will review progress in five years. It could revise the regulations, if necessary. "Automakers will be looking for a rigorous midterm review with periodic check-ins since it is difficult to predict three years in advance, let alone 13 years," the Alliance said.
The new regulation isn't strictly a fuel-consumption rule. Rather, it limits the amount of carbon dioxide a vehicle may emit to 163 grams per mile, Hwang noted. The amount of carbon dioxide coming out the tailpipe, however, is directly related to the amount of fuel burned, and translates to the 54.5 mpg standard.
But there are credits automakers can use to reduce the actual laboratory-tested mpg it must achieve. For instance, a credit of as much as 5 mpg is available for making more efficient air conditioning that uses coolant expected to be more benign environmentally than the HFC now used. It, in turn, was expected to have been better than the CFC -- freon -- it replaced in the 1990s.
Vehicles that burn natural gas, or are powered by electricity, count more heavily toward meeting the rule than do conventional gasoline-power vehicles.
Diesels, though fuel-efficient by nature, get no extra credit in the regs. Volkswagen's Passat midsize sedan with a diesel has a window-sticker rating of 35 mpg in combined city/highway driving -- already close to the 38 to 40 mpg average you'd see on many new vehicles in 2025.
Not each new vehicle has to hit the regulatory number. Instead, all the vehicles an automaker sells must average at least the government number. Thus, a company that specialized in small cars would have an easier time reaching an average of 54.5 mpg than a company that sold mostly bigger, heavier vehicles.
The mileage standard for cars gets stricter, faster than for trucks, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson noted. Trucks often are work or tow vehicles that need bigger, more fuel-thirsty engines and will be harder to turn into high-mpg vehicles, she acknowledged -- but they eventually must make the shift. "Cars are ramping down faster than trucks, and they catch each other at the end," she said.
If there's any magic in the new regulations, it's the coalition of usually contentious factions that stayed together long enough to get the rule approved. Key player was California, which can invoke its own carbon-emission standards under some circumstances. But on this go-round, California said it wouldn't do that, in order to give the automakers the single, nationwide mpg standard they said was necessary for their planning and engineering.
They specify that all new vehicles sold in the U.S. must average the equivalent of 54.5 miles per gallon in 2025, up from 29.7 now and 35.5 mpg by 2016.
It is "a monumental day for the American people," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in announcing that the rules now are final.
The announcement comes as the Republicans open their national convention in Tampa. LaHood several times praised President Obama, a Democrat, for efforts to boost fuel economy and save consumers money.
LaHood said the regulations might boost the price of a new vehicle $1,800 in 2025, but the lower fuel expense could save drivers $8,000 over the life of the cars.
Auto dealers disagree. The National Automobile Dealers Association said the higher mpg standard "will hike the average price of a new vehicle by nearly $3,000 when fully implemented. This increase shuts almost 7 million people out of the new car market entirely and prevents many millions more from being able to afford new vehicles that meet their needs."
What you won't see is anything close to 54.5 mpg on the window sticker of 2025-model cars and trucks.
Why your real-world mileage will vary:
The government mileage rating on the new vehicle window stickers will be in the high 30s to around 40 mpg in combined city/highway driving. The window-sticker mileage rating is arrived at using a formula meant to match real-world driving. By contrast, the federal mileage rule -- so-called CAFE, for corporate average fuel economy -- is based on lab tests for combined city and highway driving.
Automakers, through their lobby group Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said: "After years of billion-dollar investments by automakers, consumers have a lot of choice in fuel-efficient cars and light trucks, and automakers are working to sell these high-mileage vehicles in high volumes."
LaHood called such cars "wildly popular."
The category where most high-mileage cars are found -- the group defined as small cars and including everything from the tiny Fiat 500 to the bigger Toyota Corolla compact -- are selling 18.3% faster through July than they were a year ago, according to tallymaster Autodata.
However, that's not a huge lead compared with all new vehicle sales, which are up 14%. And midsize cars are even more popular than small ones, up 21.8% from a year earlier.
"Compliance with higher fuel-economy standards is based on sales," the Alliance said in a statement, drawing a distinction between what buyers will accept and what automakers might be forced to build to meet the tighter regulations.
The Natural Resources Defense Council applauded the final rules.
"We're very happy. This is a good rule, a strong rule. This is the biggest step this country's taken to reduce pollution and our dependence on oil since the original 1970s" Clean Air Act, says Roland Hwang, NRDC's transportation director.
The final rules say the government will review progress in five years. It could revise the regulations, if necessary. "Automakers will be looking for a rigorous midterm review with periodic check-ins since it is difficult to predict three years in advance, let alone 13 years," the Alliance said.
The new regulation isn't strictly a fuel-consumption rule. Rather, it limits the amount of carbon dioxide a vehicle may emit to 163 grams per mile, Hwang noted. The amount of carbon dioxide coming out the tailpipe, however, is directly related to the amount of fuel burned, and translates to the 54.5 mpg standard.
But there are credits automakers can use to reduce the actual laboratory-tested mpg it must achieve. For instance, a credit of as much as 5 mpg is available for making more efficient air conditioning that uses coolant expected to be more benign environmentally than the HFC now used. It, in turn, was expected to have been better than the CFC -- freon -- it replaced in the 1990s.
Vehicles that burn natural gas, or are powered by electricity, count more heavily toward meeting the rule than do conventional gasoline-power vehicles.
Diesels, though fuel-efficient by nature, get no extra credit in the regs. Volkswagen's Passat midsize sedan with a diesel has a window-sticker rating of 35 mpg in combined city/highway driving -- already close to the 38 to 40 mpg average you'd see on many new vehicles in 2025.
Not each new vehicle has to hit the regulatory number. Instead, all the vehicles an automaker sells must average at least the government number. Thus, a company that specialized in small cars would have an easier time reaching an average of 54.5 mpg than a company that sold mostly bigger, heavier vehicles.
The mileage standard for cars gets stricter, faster than for trucks, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson noted. Trucks often are work or tow vehicles that need bigger, more fuel-thirsty engines and will be harder to turn into high-mpg vehicles, she acknowledged -- but they eventually must make the shift. "Cars are ramping down faster than trucks, and they catch each other at the end," she said.
If there's any magic in the new regulations, it's the coalition of usually contentious factions that stayed together long enough to get the rule approved. Key player was California, which can invoke its own carbon-emission standards under some circumstances. But on this go-round, California said it wouldn't do that, in order to give the automakers the single, nationwide mpg standard they said was necessary for their planning and engineering.
#49
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Already on it way. Black box event recorders mandated as standard OEM equipment for 2013.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/14/i...r-september-1/
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/14/i...r-september-1/
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Already on it way. Black box event recorders mandated as standard OEM equipment for 2013.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/14/i...r-september-1/
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/14/i...r-september-1/
.... The rules will take effect on September 1 of this year.
The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers had petitioned NHTSA to postpone the requirement until at least September 1, 2013 but the government agency rejected the appeal.
.... The group said that manufacturers that are currently using older event data recorders may simply disable the devices to comply with the new rules since the regulations don't actually force new cars to have the black boxes. General Motors, for example, has said it will disable some event data recorder functionality on both Chevrolet Malibu and GMC Savana models.
....
right now, a total of 90 percent of new vehicles for sale in the U.S. have EDRs. ....
Eventually, NHTSA expects to mandate the technology on all new vehicles. ....
The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers had petitioned NHTSA to postpone the requirement until at least September 1, 2013 but the government agency rejected the appeal.
.... The group said that manufacturers that are currently using older event data recorders may simply disable the devices to comply with the new rules since the regulations don't actually force new cars to have the black boxes. General Motors, for example, has said it will disable some event data recorder functionality on both Chevrolet Malibu and GMC Savana models.
....
right now, a total of 90 percent of new vehicles for sale in the U.S. have EDRs. ....
Eventually, NHTSA expects to mandate the technology on all new vehicles. ....
What you wrote and what the article says don't seem to be the same thing.
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Last edited by Bearcat94; 09-08-2012 at 09:23 PM.
#51
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1.
Right now, a total of 90 percent of new vehicles for sale in the U.S. have EDRs.
the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is set to move forward with new rules governing the standardization of data recorders on new cars. The rules will take effect on September 1 of this year.
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Not quite. ![Why Me](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/whyme.gif)
You did err on the date, but more to the point you claimed they were 'mandated as standard OEM equipment' on that date, which is factually incorrect.
'Big Brother' hasn't 'mandated' EDR's .... they've standardized what EDR's collect IF installed but do NOT require EDR's be installed.
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You did err on the date, but more to the point you claimed they were 'mandated as standard OEM equipment' on that date, which is factually incorrect.
'Big Brother' hasn't 'mandated' EDR's .... they've standardized what EDR's collect IF installed but do NOT require EDR's be installed.
#53
I feel the need...
#54
I feel the need...
The Gas Tax Is Running Low. But What Should Replace It?
Almost everyone agrees that there has to be a better way. The question is how to get there.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
By MICHAEL TOTTY
The gasoline tax is running on fumes.
For decades, the excise tax on gasoline and diesel fuel has been the main source of funds for building and maintaining the nation's roadways. It has paid for most of the four million road miles currently in service.
But now there is agreement across the political spectrum that the gas tax is broken and needs to be replaced, or at least overhauled. The problem is twofold: First, the tax has failed to keep up with the rising cost of highway construction and repair. And second, improved fuel economy and the rise of hybrid and electric vehicles means that more driving won't be matched by higher gasoline sales, and that how much people pay for the roads won't necessarily reflect how much they use them.....
The gasoline tax is running on fumes.
For decades, the excise tax on gasoline and diesel fuel has been the main source of funds for building and maintaining the nation's roadways. It has paid for most of the four million road miles currently in service.
But now there is agreement across the political spectrum that the gas tax is broken and needs to be replaced, or at least overhauled. The problem is twofold: First, the tax has failed to keep up with the rising cost of highway construction and repair. And second, improved fuel economy and the rise of hybrid and electric vehicles means that more driving won't be matched by higher gasoline sales, and that how much people pay for the roads won't necessarily reflect how much they use them.....
#55
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^ This is why people buying into the EV fad wrongly think they'll save all the gas money. Washington state already has proposed a per mile tax to replace the gas tax - which will catch everyone, including EV owners. The federal version won't be far behind. My only beef would be to have some fairness in the proposal so that a biker doesn't get charged the same as some 6000lb SUV owner.
Last edited by biker; 09-18-2012 at 08:24 AM.
#56
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Former GM Exec Bob Lutz Suggests Higher Gas Taxes Would Help Americans
Lutz, who writes for Forbes (see his articles here), also believes that the future of fuel efficiency in the country is headed in the wrong direction. As we push for lower gas prices, he believes that offers a disincentive for consumers to buy more efficient vehicles. How do you correct that? Higher gas prices.
“If you want people to use less of a given commodity, you raise the price of that commodity. It’s that simple.” Lutz further offered, “A higher price is the right economic stimulus to get people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles.”
“If you want people to use less of a given commodity, you raise the price of that commodity. It’s that simple.” Lutz further offered, “A higher price is the right economic stimulus to get people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles.”
#57
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While generally the Democrats love increased taxes, this one bites everyone equally (and some low income people disproportoinately) so they won't go for it (they'd love it if they could find a way for only "the rich" to pay more). Like Social Security, no one wants to touch the gas tax issue. I do think it is the fairset way (at this point) to pay for roads. The more of it you use the more you pay.
As has been pointed out before though, the increased fuel mileage of new cars is cutting into revenue for roads. A new model on how to pay for roads will have to be devised.
As has been pointed out before though, the increased fuel mileage of new cars is cutting into revenue for roads. A new model on how to pay for roads will have to be devised.
#58
The US Government is already the most profitable when it comes to gas per gallon. They make more than Exxon/Mobil and a few of the top combined.
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