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Old 01-06-2014, 09:50 PM
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Given Chrysler's tendency to leap right back into the ditch after someone pulls them out, I think declaring them back is extremely premature.
when have they leaped right back into the ditch after someone pulled them out...
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Jeep on track for 1 million unit sales year

Not content with Jeep's record 2013 sales, Chrysler-Fiat chief executive officer Sergio Marchionne stated on Tuesday that the off-road marque will sell more than 1 million vehicles during the 2014 calendar year.

"We are going to break the million mark this year," Marchionne said today in an interview on WJR-AM radio, according to Bloomberg. "When you start talking about 1 million in 2014, we have really taken that brand a long way, and there's a long way to go."

Marchionne's goal represents a significant jump over the record-setting 731,565 units Jeep sold worldwide last year. Marchionne's target is also at odds with Jeep CEO Mike Manley. Although Manley envisions the Jeep brand growing to 1 million annual sales, he doesn't realistically foresee that happening until 2015.

"If the new Cherokee is successful here and in international markets, we should be able to take a big chunk out of that remaining 300,000 we need for the million," Manley said. "It's a stretch to say we would do it in '14, but if not in '14, we should certainly be on track in '15."

While it might be a stretch to hit 1 million sales in 2014, Jeep has proven that it can grow sales rapidly. Jeep's annual shipments have ballooned from 276,000 units to 780,000 units in just four short years.

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Nothing has changed at Chryco, it's the same as it ever was.
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+1, alot of cash and Mulally's leadership helped Ford steer away from bankruptcy, something I doubt Ford Jr. or Nasser could have done.
Of all the stupid things Nasser did, he saved Jag and Aston Martin for which I am ever grateful.
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when have they leaped right back into the ditch after someone pulled them out...
It's not that they go right back in, it's that they keep ending up there. Sometimes it's their fault, other times it's contributory negligence.

America needs a strong third brand. That Chrysler is owned by Fiat could help them if they decide that they want to be more than a vague reminder of what Chrysler was in the '40s and what Dodge was in the late '60s.

Jeep could/should be the American Land Rover/Range Rover but more reliable.

Chrysler should shake its image of lots of chrome. That customer base is literally dying off and no one under 65 remembers when Chryslers were aspirational cars.

I still think Dodge has a chance to be relevant by using the SRT brand for focusing on performance.

But they have a long way to go. The two brands have burnt a lot of bridges with some really crappy cars or good ideas with terrible execution.
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Nothing has changed at Chryco, it's the same as it ever was.


Jeep is the only one of the three brands with any kind of coherent identity.

Dodges are either plain Chryslers or Chrysler are gaudy Dodges. I'm not sure which one is which.

They need to decide what Dodge and Chrysler are ... Frankly, the Dodge brand is fine for what it is but Chrysler (like Lincoln) are probably too fucked up to fix.

Fiat has a long way to go. Have you seen the Lancia brand? It's rebadged Chryslers. Fiat is full of tiny cars that they wouldn't sell in America.

So what's the plan? Where are the concepts that show the new direction for Dodge and Chrysler? Or is their ten-year plan to just keep refining the Charger/300 until it becomes a modern day Crown Victoria?
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Well, I'll eat my words. At first glance, this 2015 Chrysler 200 looks fantastic. It's as good looking as the Sonata/Azera but you can get a 295hp V6 with AWD. Obviously, materials and build quality are what will make or break this car. But, aesthetically, it's a good looking car on the outside.



Inside, it's quirky and I'll have to sit in in to see if I like it. It works in some ways and in others the jury's still out. The navigation/vent binnacle looks cheap-ish but the rest of the car is pretty attractive.

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Old 01-20-2014, 10:33 AM
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The navigation/vent binnacle looks cheap-ish but the rest of the car is pretty attractive.

I'll agree with you on that.
The interior is fantastic for a car in that class, however Chryco really needs to work on the cheap looking central nav/vent cluster.

...but it's a small flaw in an otherwise great interior.
Leaps and bounds beyond the previous 200.
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I'll agree with you on that.
The interior is fantastic for a car in that class, however Chryco really needs to work on the cheap looking central nav/vent cluster.

...but it's a small flaw in an otherwise great interior.
Leaps and bounds beyond the previous 200.
The previous 200 might as well have been a Dacia Sandero
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The challenge for Chrysler is that people like me aren't going to buy this one.

We're going to wait for the next one before considering it because I have no interest in buying a $35K car that will be worth less than $10K by the time it's 4 years old.
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The challenge for Chrysler is that people like me aren't going to buy this one.

We're going to wait for the next one before considering it because I have no interest in buying a $35K car that will be worth less than $10K by the time it's 4 years old.
People thought that way about Hyundai and Kia as well.

Welcome to a brave new world.
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People thought that way about Hyundai and Kia as well.

Welcome to a brave new world.
Yup, and it may be that Chrysler gets back there again. But it was really only with the current generation of Hyundai products that there was enough demand in the used car market to keep values up.

As good as the previous generation Sonata was (and it was a pretty good, albeit plain car), it suffered at resale.
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That 200 is a huge improvement...a solid option for its segment. Aesthetically, it looks better inside and out than most other midsize cars.
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The challenge for Chrysler is that people like me aren't going to buy this one.

We're going to wait for the next one before considering it because I have no interest in buying a $35K car that will be worth less than $10K by the time it's 4 years old.
We are most definitely not the target demographic of 200 and 300.

Whenever I see 200/300 on the road, it's 99% south americans.
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we are most definitely not the target demographic of 200 and 300.

Whenever i see 200/300 on the road, it's 99% rental cars.
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Old 01-20-2014, 04:45 PM
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We are most definitely not the target demographic of 200 and 300.

Whenever I see 200/300 on the road, it's 99% south americans.
How do you know they are Brazilian, Argentine, Colombian, or Chilean?
Paraguay? Uruguay? Them peeps love the 200?
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We are most definitely not the target demographic of 200 and 300.

Whenever I see 200/300 on the road, it's 99% south americans.
Don't you think I should be? I'm 42, no kids, make good money. Shopping Audi, Lexus, VW, etc. Otherwise, what is the point of Chrysler?
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Chrysler 200 is priced around Corolla/Civic. Why do you even want to cross shop Chrysler with your said brands?

You've been saying you want something like Golf R/Audi S3, now you want to think about cross shopping a 200? Get real.
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Don't you think I should be? I'm 42, no kids, make good money. Shopping Audi, Lexus, VW, etc. Otherwise, what is the point of Chrysler?
From a marketing perspective, 42, no kids, and makes good money should be looking at a sports car/hopped up luxury car (read: any Porsche, any M car, any AMG car, etc.), not a 200/300 (unless SRT).

To me, if you're looking at an Accord, Camry, Fusion, etc., you should look at a 200.

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From a marketing perspective, 42, no kids, and makes good money should be looking at a sports car/hopped up luxury car (read: any Porsche, any M car, any AMG car, etc.), not a 200/300 (unless SRT).

To me, if you're looking at an Accord, Camry, Fusion, etc., you should look at a 200.
Previous marketing tried to make Chrysler look like Cadillac, but I agree, the 200 isn't in the same ballpark as even the TLX (let alone the ATS, CTS).
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Chrysler 200 is priced around Corolla/Civic. Why do you even want to cross shop Chrysler with your said brands?

You've been saying you want something like Golf R/Audi S3, now you want to think about cross shopping a 200? Get real.
There's no way that an AWD 200S with the V6 is going to be the same price as a Corolla. If it is, it's the deal of the century.
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From a marketing perspective, 42, no kids, and makes good money should be looking at a sports car/hopped up luxury car (read: any Porsche, any M car, any AMG car, etc.), not a 200/300 (unless SRT).

To me, if you're looking at an Accord, Camry, Fusion, etc., you should look at a 200.
I guess I don't understand the point of Chrysler then. I thought the point was to have a brand above Dodge, not equal to it.

I would expect the 200S AWD to be in the mid-$30Ks MSRP. That's about where the base A4 Quattro Premium starts. Plus with the A3/CLA/1-Series all starting at around $30K, there's some overlap.

If Fiat intends for Chrysler to be the same thing as Dodge but with more chrome, then you're right. Someone like me will never be interested in their cars.
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I guess I don't understand the point of Chrysler then. I thought the point was to have a brand above Dodge, not equal to it.

I would expect the 200S AWD to be in the mid-$30Ks MSRP. That's about where the base A4 Quattro Premium starts. Plus with the A3/CLA/1-Series all starting at around $30K, there's some overlap.

If Fiat intends for Chrysler to be the same thing as Dodge but with more chrome, then you're right. Someone like me will never be interested in their cars.
Dump Chrysler and ship over Alfa Romeo. [/thread]
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Dump Chrysler and ship over Alfa Romeo. [/thread]
I can't argue with that. Chrysler is a brand without a mission, IMO.
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I guess I don't understand the point of Chrysler then. I thought the point was to have a brand above Dodge, not equal to it.

I would expect the 200S AWD to be in the mid-$30Ks MSRP. That's about where the base A4 Quattro Premium starts. Plus with the A3/CLA/1-Series all starting at around $30K, there's some overlap.

If Fiat intends for Chrysler to be the same thing as Dodge but with more chrome, then you're right. Someone like me will never be interested in their cars.
Your comparisons don't make much sense.

Chrysler 200 starts around $21k and can go up to $30k.

A3/CLA/A4 can start around $30k and can go up to +$50k.

I honestly don't get what you are trying to say.

Chrysler and Dodge overlap in terms of target demographic. It may seem like it's a bad idea, but they combined for a large chunk of the total auto sales.

You are just not the target demographic that Chrysler is trying to reach out to. That's why you think Chrysler is pointless.
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Your comparisons don't make much sense.

Chrysler 200 starts around $21k and can go up to $30k.

A3/CLA/A4 can start around $30k and can go up to +$50k.

I honestly don't get what you are trying to say.

Chrysler and Dodge overlap in terms of target demographic. It may seem like it's a bad idea, but they combined for a large chunk of the total auto sales.

You are just not the target demographic that Chrysler is trying to reach out to. That's why you think Chrysler is pointless.
You can't compare that piece of shit 200 that was basically a Sebring from 10 years ago with this new 200S

Like I said, if you could get a 295HP AWD 200S for under $28K, it would be the deal of the century. But there's no way it's going to be that cheap.

This new car is going to be bumped to a whole new level.
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It's in a similar way to how Chevy, Buick, GM, and Cadillac have some overlap as well.

They are different brands, but that does not exclude any overlap.
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You can't compare that piece of shit 200 that was basically a Sebring from 10 years ago with this new 200S

Like I said, if you could get a 295HP AWD 200S for under $28K, it would be the deal of the century. But there's no way it's going to be that cheap.

This new car is going to be bumped to a whole new level.
http://www.chrysler.com/en/2015/200/

You are picking out the fully loaded top of the line trim 200. It's a Chrysler 200.

Just think about it.

Other than you, who would ever cross shop Chrysler 200 to Audi A4/A3/MB CLA?

Again, you are not the target demographic of the brand, so you don't get it.
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http://www.chrysler.com/en/2015/200/

You are picking out the fully loaded top of the line trim 200. It's a Chrysler 200.

Just think about it.

Other than you, who would ever cross shop Chrysler 200 to Audi A4/A3/MB CLA?

Again, you are not the target demographic of the brand, so you don't get it.
I didn't realize the configurator was up. That said, a loaded 200S AWD (with reasonable options like Xenons, 19" wheels, etc) is $35K.

It's a silly argument, I guess. This car is a Camry/Accord competitor and nothing more than that.
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I keep coming back to the question of why two brands that sell the same car.
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Because Chrysler.
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I keep coming back to the question of why two brands that sell the same car.
I had a long rant typed up about this and ended up deleting it. The only thing I can think of is that they're killing off the Avenger (can I be the one to put it out of its misery? Please? ) completely and letting the 200 ride as the company's only midsizer.
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At the end of the day, the average buyers don't know if cars from Chrysler and Dodge share the platforms. So, two brands aren't really cannibalizing the sales from each other. Whatever they sell contributes to the Fiat total sales.
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I keep coming back to the question of why two brands that sell the same car.
There's a Dodge 200
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I had a long rant typed up about this and ended up deleting it. The only thing I can think of is that they're killing off the Avenger (can I be the one to put it out of its misery? Please? ) completely and letting the 200 ride as the company's only midsizer.
If that's the case, then that makes sense.

And since most dealers have both brands, I guess that make sense too.
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I'm sure they will make their wait to bring Dodge 200 type of car.
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There's a Dodge 200
It's like a Chrysler with a pulse.
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Whenever I see an Avenger/200 it screams "I wanted the Charger/300 but this is all my credit line could get me."
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Whenever I see an Avenger/200 it screams "I wanted the Charger/300 but this is all my credit line could get me."
I don't think I've ever seen a non-rental Avenger.
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