Diesel Engines news **Sales on Rise in US (page 1)**
#82
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and mind you cars are tested for hwy speeds at 50mpg and if it were a brand new car, it would also get worse mileage since it isnt broken in. Need to wait at least 3k mi, before testing economy.
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Sales Update
Through the 1st 6 months of the year, Americans purchased 61,214 diesel-powered vehicles, not including heavy-duty diesel pickup trucks, according to a study by HybridCars.com and Baum and Associates. That figure represents a 27.5-percent improvement over the previous year.
Not counting HD trucks, .8 percent of vehicles sold in the States are diesel cars; including pickups brings that number up to three percent. Some of the best sales performances are being turned in by Audi, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen, with the A3 TDI accounting for almost 65 percent of all A3 sales.
Hybrid sales are also up, according to the report, increasing by 63.5 percent over 2011's levels, and, with a slew of new models coming in the next few years, clean vehicle sales aren't likely to slow down any time soon. And we'll welcome them with open arms. See all the details in the press release below.
U.S. Clean Diesel Auto Sales Increase 27.5 Percent During 1st Half of 2012
WASHINGTON, July 31, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- More Than 15 New Diesel Autos to be Introduced In U.S. Market
During the 1st 6 months of 2012 clean diesel automobile sales in the United States increased 27.5 percent, according to new sales information compiled by HybridCars.Com and Baum and Associates.
In the second quarter of 2012, U.S. sales of clean diesel autos increased 22.3 percent in June over June 2011, increased 14.4 percent in May, and increased 28.2 percent in April.
During the 1st 6 months of 2012, U.S. hybrid car sales increased 63.5 percent and the overall automobile market increased 14.9 percent, according to the new sales information.
Month (2012 v. 2011) Clean Diesel +/- Hybrids +/- Overall Market +/-June 2012 +22.3% +171.8% +22.2%May 2012 +14.4% +113.5% +25.7%April 2012 +28.2% +55.9% + 2.3%March 2012 +39.6% +39.6% +12.7%February 2012 +42.9% +55.4% +13.8%January 2012 +21.2% +11.4% +11.5%Total Sold in 2012 61,214 217,701 7,248,893(source:HybridCars.Com and Baum and Associates)
Diesel Sales Show Steady Double-Digit Increases for Past 2 Years
"The 27.5 percent increase reflects the emerging market for clean diesel automobiles in the United States," said Allen Schaeffer, the Executive Director of the Diesel Technology Forum. "While clean diesel auto and light truck sales total about 3 percent of the total U.S. passenger car market, the steady double-digit monthly sales increases show a definite trend of interest in diesels.
"Despite some volatility in the auto market, clean diesel auto sales have increased in 22 of the past 23 months with double-digit increases in 20 of those months. And diesel auto sales increased by more than 30 percent in 12 of these months.
"While this is significantly less than the 50 percent diesel sales rate in Europe, it does indicate that Americans are taking a renewed interest as more diesels are being introduced into the U.S. market.
"With more than 15 new clean diesel models designated for the U.S. in the next 2 years, I fully expect diesel sales to increase even more extensively in the near future," Schaeffer said.
Some Clean Diesel Models Show 50%+ Sales Increase
Schaeffer said some of the major highlights of the 2012 clean diesel auto sales include:
Sales of Audi TDI diesel models in June made up 64.8 percent of overall Audi A3 models and 37.1 percent of overall Audi Q7 sales.
Sales of Mercedes' BlueTEC diesel models in June were up 50.3 percent for the year compared to the same period last year.
Sales of Volkswagen's Passat TDI clean diesel accounted for 21 percent of the midsize sedan's sales in June.
(See a list of all the Clean Diesel Vehicles Currently Available in the U.S.)
Pike Research Predicts Strong Future Diesel Sales In U.S.
According to a recent Pike Research study, rising fuel prices and stronger fuel economy regulations will stimulate increasing demand for clean diesel vehicles in markets around the world (Green Fleet). Pike forecasts that sales of these clean diesel vehicles will increase from 9.1 million in 2012 to 12.1 million annually by 2018, with clean diesels representing 12.4 percent of all light-duty vehicle sales by the end of that period.
Pike also predicts that the growth of diesel light duty vehicles will be especially strong in North America, with annual sales expected to increase from 282,000 vehicles in 2012 to 928,000 by 2018.
New Federal Mileage Regulations Will Further Increase Diesel Car Sales
Schaeffer said with higher and fluctuating fuel prices, Americans are seeking more fuel efficient cars. In addition, he said the new federal fuel efficiency standards that will require a 54.5 mpg average by 2025 will also boost clean diesel auto sales, as diesel cars are 20 to 40 more fuel efficient than gasoline versions.
More Clean Diesel Autos Will Soon Be Available In U.S.
In addition to the recent addition of the 2012 Volkswagen Passat TDI diesel and 2012 Porsche Cayenne diesel, Schaeffer said a number of additional diesels will be available soon in the U.S. including:
Audi A6, A8 and Q5 TDI clean diesels will be available in 2013 and an A4 diesel version in 2014 or early as 2013.
BMW announced that the U.S. market will see a 2.0-liter 4 cylinder diesel and 3.0-liter inline 6 diesel engine in the next 12 months.
Chrysler will introduce its new Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel in 2014, along with a new version of the discontinued Dakota pickup that will include a diesel.
Ford will offer a new diesel Transit full-size commercial van in 2013.
General Motors will offer a Cadillac ATS diesel and a diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze in 2013.
Mazda will become the 1st Asian car manufacturer to sell diesel cars in the U.S. when it introduces its SKYACTIV-D 2.2-liter clean diesel engine.
The Mercedes S350 BlueTEC marks the return of the diesel-powered Mercedes-Benz S-Class to the United States in 2012. Mercedes also plans to bring a diesel in the GLK and C-class for a total of 8 diesel models by 2014.
The newly redesigned 2012 VW Beetle will once again feature a TDI diesel version.
Also, possible new U.S. diesels in the near future include:
Mini Cooper diesel
Volkswagen Tiguan TDI diesel
Mercedes A Class diesel
Kia Optima diesel
Jaguar Land Rover diesel
ABOUT THE DIESEL TECHNOLOGY FORUM
The Diesel Technology Forum is a non-profit national organization dedicated to raising awareness about the importance of diesel engines, fuel and technology. Forum members are leaders in clean diesel technology and represent the three key elements of the modern clean-diesel system: advanced engines, vehicles and equipment, cleaner diesel fuel and emissions-control systems. For more information visit www.dieselforum.org .
WASHINGTON, July 31, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- More Than 15 New Diesel Autos to be Introduced In U.S. Market
During the 1st 6 months of 2012 clean diesel automobile sales in the United States increased 27.5 percent, according to new sales information compiled by HybridCars.Com and Baum and Associates.
In the second quarter of 2012, U.S. sales of clean diesel autos increased 22.3 percent in June over June 2011, increased 14.4 percent in May, and increased 28.2 percent in April.
During the 1st 6 months of 2012, U.S. hybrid car sales increased 63.5 percent and the overall automobile market increased 14.9 percent, according to the new sales information.
Month (2012 v. 2011) Clean Diesel +/- Hybrids +/- Overall Market +/-June 2012 +22.3% +171.8% +22.2%May 2012 +14.4% +113.5% +25.7%April 2012 +28.2% +55.9% + 2.3%March 2012 +39.6% +39.6% +12.7%February 2012 +42.9% +55.4% +13.8%January 2012 +21.2% +11.4% +11.5%Total Sold in 2012 61,214 217,701 7,248,893(source:HybridCars.Com and Baum and Associates)
Diesel Sales Show Steady Double-Digit Increases for Past 2 Years
"The 27.5 percent increase reflects the emerging market for clean diesel automobiles in the United States," said Allen Schaeffer, the Executive Director of the Diesel Technology Forum. "While clean diesel auto and light truck sales total about 3 percent of the total U.S. passenger car market, the steady double-digit monthly sales increases show a definite trend of interest in diesels.
"Despite some volatility in the auto market, clean diesel auto sales have increased in 22 of the past 23 months with double-digit increases in 20 of those months. And diesel auto sales increased by more than 30 percent in 12 of these months.
"While this is significantly less than the 50 percent diesel sales rate in Europe, it does indicate that Americans are taking a renewed interest as more diesels are being introduced into the U.S. market.
"With more than 15 new clean diesel models designated for the U.S. in the next 2 years, I fully expect diesel sales to increase even more extensively in the near future," Schaeffer said.
Some Clean Diesel Models Show 50%+ Sales Increase
Schaeffer said some of the major highlights of the 2012 clean diesel auto sales include:
Sales of Audi TDI diesel models in June made up 64.8 percent of overall Audi A3 models and 37.1 percent of overall Audi Q7 sales.
Sales of Mercedes' BlueTEC diesel models in June were up 50.3 percent for the year compared to the same period last year.
Sales of Volkswagen's Passat TDI clean diesel accounted for 21 percent of the midsize sedan's sales in June.
(See a list of all the Clean Diesel Vehicles Currently Available in the U.S.)
Pike Research Predicts Strong Future Diesel Sales In U.S.
According to a recent Pike Research study, rising fuel prices and stronger fuel economy regulations will stimulate increasing demand for clean diesel vehicles in markets around the world (Green Fleet). Pike forecasts that sales of these clean diesel vehicles will increase from 9.1 million in 2012 to 12.1 million annually by 2018, with clean diesels representing 12.4 percent of all light-duty vehicle sales by the end of that period.
Pike also predicts that the growth of diesel light duty vehicles will be especially strong in North America, with annual sales expected to increase from 282,000 vehicles in 2012 to 928,000 by 2018.
New Federal Mileage Regulations Will Further Increase Diesel Car Sales
Schaeffer said with higher and fluctuating fuel prices, Americans are seeking more fuel efficient cars. In addition, he said the new federal fuel efficiency standards that will require a 54.5 mpg average by 2025 will also boost clean diesel auto sales, as diesel cars are 20 to 40 more fuel efficient than gasoline versions.
More Clean Diesel Autos Will Soon Be Available In U.S.
In addition to the recent addition of the 2012 Volkswagen Passat TDI diesel and 2012 Porsche Cayenne diesel, Schaeffer said a number of additional diesels will be available soon in the U.S. including:
Audi A6, A8 and Q5 TDI clean diesels will be available in 2013 and an A4 diesel version in 2014 or early as 2013.
BMW announced that the U.S. market will see a 2.0-liter 4 cylinder diesel and 3.0-liter inline 6 diesel engine in the next 12 months.
Chrysler will introduce its new Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel in 2014, along with a new version of the discontinued Dakota pickup that will include a diesel.
Ford will offer a new diesel Transit full-size commercial van in 2013.
General Motors will offer a Cadillac ATS diesel and a diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze in 2013.
Mazda will become the 1st Asian car manufacturer to sell diesel cars in the U.S. when it introduces its SKYACTIV-D 2.2-liter clean diesel engine.
The Mercedes S350 BlueTEC marks the return of the diesel-powered Mercedes-Benz S-Class to the United States in 2012. Mercedes also plans to bring a diesel in the GLK and C-class for a total of 8 diesel models by 2014.
The newly redesigned 2012 VW Beetle will once again feature a TDI diesel version.
Also, possible new U.S. diesels in the near future include:
Mini Cooper diesel
Volkswagen Tiguan TDI diesel
Mercedes A Class diesel
Kia Optima diesel
Jaguar Land Rover diesel
ABOUT THE DIESEL TECHNOLOGY FORUM
The Diesel Technology Forum is a non-profit national organization dedicated to raising awareness about the importance of diesel engines, fuel and technology. Forum members are leaders in clean diesel technology and represent the three key elements of the modern clean-diesel system: advanced engines, vehicles and equipment, cleaner diesel fuel and emissions-control systems. For more information visit www.dieselforum.org .
#85
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VW Golf or SportWagon TDI are very high on my list of next vehicles.
Ideal vehicle would be an A4 Avant TDI with manual transmission
Too bad, as far as I know, it won't be available in the US.
Is it true the BMW is getting rid of the 335d (or at least not bringing it to the US)?
Ideal vehicle would be an A4 Avant TDI with manual transmission
Too bad, as far as I know, it won't be available in the US.
Is it true the BMW is getting rid of the 335d (or at least not bringing it to the US)?
#86
Take rate is still pathetic...
.8% of all cars sold, excluding pickups. Not even an even 1%. Hopefully it continues to improve.
.8% of all cars sold, excluding pickups. Not even an even 1%. Hopefully it continues to improve.
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Depending on what leases are like when my prius is up next August, I'm seriously interested in the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel thats coming out in January.
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I have long suspected Kia/Hyundai diesel tech.
New Civic despite much strong engine (full 2 second faster) is getting 20mpg better than Optima. with both have nearly identical miles driven. Both are new under 5000 mile.
Kia Optima 1.7 L engine 38mpg real world.
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...22&c=2&theme=0
Lexus CT-200H 46mpg.
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...storycode=9132
Honda Civic 2.2 L. 58mpg real world.
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...21&c=2&theme=0
New Civic despite much strong engine (full 2 second faster) is getting 20mpg better than Optima. with both have nearly identical miles driven. Both are new under 5000 mile.
Kia Optima 1.7 L engine 38mpg real world.
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...22&c=2&theme=0
Lexus CT-200H 46mpg.
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...storycode=9132
Honda Civic 2.2 L. 58mpg real world.
http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...21&c=2&theme=0
#91
New Euro CRV unbelievable for 1700kg vehicle.. Honda needs to bring this one.
I30 is Euro Elantra. As usual.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tes...012-road-test/
It pulls well and confidently, is sensibly geared at 50kmh/1,000rpm in 6th and appeared happy to cruise at 160kmh all day, traffic permitting. And, strangely, in Eco mode. Yes, even at 100mph the speedometer was glowing green, and 7.1 litres per 100km average is comfortably over 40mpg.
It pulls well and confidently, is sensibly geared at 50kmh/1,000rpm in 6th and appeared happy to cruise at 160kmh all day, traffic permitting. And, strangely, in Eco mode. Yes, even at 100mph the speedometer was glowing green, and 7.1 litres per 100km average is comfortably over 40mpg.
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/new-...-review/263768
Perhaps the biggest improvement is how much quieter it is in this car than in the outgoing model.
While previously you could hear no end of whistles and whooshes from under the bonnet, now there's just a deep growl under hard acceleration to remind you the engine is fuelled by diesel.
Perhaps the biggest improvement is how much quieter it is in this car than in the outgoing model.
While previously you could hear no end of whistles and whooshes from under the bonnet, now there's just a deep growl under hard acceleration to remind you the engine is fuelled by diesel.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/...cr-v-22-i-dtec
That refinement we mentioned is also no hollow marketing claim. While we can’t attest to whether it really is ‘half as loud as the last model’, as Honda claims, we can confirm that it’s very quiet. The diesel motor thrums away almost inaudibly in the midrange at urban or motorway speeds, and wind noise on our car was limited and came mostly from the panoramic glass roof. Tyre noise in particular was very hushed by class standards, despite our car’s 18-inch alloys.
That refinement we mentioned is also no hollow marketing claim. While we can’t attest to whether it really is ‘half as loud as the last model’, as Honda claims, we can confirm that it’s very quiet. The diesel motor thrums away almost inaudibly in the midrange at urban or motorway speeds, and wind noise on our car was limited and came mostly from the panoramic glass roof. Tyre noise in particular was very hushed by class standards, despite our car’s 18-inch alloys.
I30 is Euro Elantra. As usual.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai...-second-report
The engine ought to have loosened up now that there’s over 2,000 miles on the clock, yet 38.9mpg isn’t brilliant. It’s an improvement on the 33.9mpg from my first report, but I’m hopeful of doing better next time around – once we get a long run under the i30’s belt.
Our view
"While the i30 has a comfortable and spacious interior, the jittery ride is a disappointment on a car that’s used mainly for short urban commutes."
The engine ought to have loosened up now that there’s over 2,000 miles on the clock, yet 38.9mpg isn’t brilliant. It’s an improvement on the 33.9mpg from my first report, but I’m hopeful of doing better next time around – once we get a long run under the i30’s belt.
Our view
"While the i30 has a comfortable and spacious interior, the jittery ride is a disappointment on a car that’s used mainly for short urban commutes."
#92
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveo...ofuel/1703865/
Now, some motorists can really drive green, as in algae-green.
A chain of biofuel stations in the San Francisco Bay Area have started selling fuel made from algae, one of the most promising technologies when it comes to creating fuel from plant life.
A ceremony was held Tuesday at one of the Propel stations that will be selling the fuel Solazyme, which can be used in diesel engines. Some 20% of the fuel is oils made from algae.
"Propel is committed to providing our customers with access to the highest quality, most sustainable, domestically produced fuels, so we're proud to introduce the next generation of fuels to the retail market," says Matt Horton, CEO of Propel Fuels, in a statement.
Solazyme says it used fermentation equipment to converts plant sugars into oil. The process is accomplished by feeding the sugars to microalgae. The process takes only a few days. The fuel burns cleaner than diesel fuel when it comes to particulates and carbon monoxide.
A chain of biofuel stations in the San Francisco Bay Area have started selling fuel made from algae, one of the most promising technologies when it comes to creating fuel from plant life.
A ceremony was held Tuesday at one of the Propel stations that will be selling the fuel Solazyme, which can be used in diesel engines. Some 20% of the fuel is oils made from algae.
"Propel is committed to providing our customers with access to the highest quality, most sustainable, domestically produced fuels, so we're proud to introduce the next generation of fuels to the retail market," says Matt Horton, CEO of Propel Fuels, in a statement.
Solazyme says it used fermentation equipment to converts plant sugars into oil. The process is accomplished by feeding the sugars to microalgae. The process takes only a few days. The fuel burns cleaner than diesel fuel when it comes to particulates and carbon monoxide.
#93
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^ This is the reason every car maker should get their diesel lineup ready for the US. The really long term solution (20+ years) for a reneawable fuel is this. It does not take away from a food source (ethanol ) and I think it can eventually be made cost efficient.
The really ironic part is that they introduce this in CA where the tree huggers have virtually killed off diesel cars.
The really ironic part is that they introduce this in CA where the tree huggers have virtually killed off diesel cars.
#94
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Sales
U.S. sales of diesel-powered cars and trucks have grown 41% in the past 5 years to almost 409,000 last year. General Motors hopes to catch some of that growth with the new diesel Chevrolet Cruze compact car. Here are the top-selling diesel vehicles in the U.S. from last year:
Brand Model 2012 Sales
Ford F-Series 105,239
Ram Ram Pickup 87,722
Volkswagen Jetta 48,099
Chevrolet Silverado 43,015
Volkswagen Passat 26,469
GMC Sierra 21,792
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Van 20,929
BMW X5 10,276
Volkswagen Golf 10,043
Mercedes-Benz GL 6,688
Ford F-Series 105,239
Ram Ram Pickup 87,722
Volkswagen Jetta 48,099
Chevrolet Silverado 43,015
Volkswagen Passat 26,469
GMC Sierra 21,792
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Van 20,929
BMW X5 10,276
Volkswagen Golf 10,043
Mercedes-Benz GL 6,688
#95
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^ the X5 number is surprising - I would have thought the 5 or E would be up there. It will be interesting to see if the Cruze or Mazda 6 make any kind of dent into the VW lead.
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The Japanese auto makers are really missing out in this diesel car segment here.
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1.) VW has been making TDI models in NA for a while. They are a core part of VW.
2.) There are quite a few pick up trucks (plus a work van) on that list. Again, large pick up trucks have had diesel for ages here. Not entirely surprising. These trucks need that torque for towing. It's not just for mpg.
3.) The rest of the cars are luxury SUV's. These are $60k+ vehicles. $3k diesel premium is insignificant once you get to those prices.
4.) Japanese auto makers mainly focus on small to mid-size vehicles that usually start at $15k and top at $30k. Adding $3k for a diesel engine to a $20k car is a noticeable difference. These cars don't need that extra low end torque. So the main advantage is getting 34mpg (Jetta TDI) rather than 31mpg (Focus AT) combined. On surface, that looks like a 10% advantage. But average diesel price in the US is about 15% more expensive ($4/gal vs $3.5/gal). Are you really saving gas money then? Even if you do, there's still that extra upfront cost for getting a diesel engine.
5.) The Japanese auto makers (mainly Nissan, Honda, Toyota) are doing really well with what they have. For alternative fuel cars, Toyota is very successful too. Honda with its upcoming hybrid systems is again looking promising. Does it make sense for them to try something new in NA?
6.) Mazda is struggling with sales, especially with its Mazda6. They need to try something different to hope that they can change that. They can't really do worse. Diesel would make sense in their case.
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5.) The Japanese auto makers (mainly Nissan, Honda, Toyota) are doing really well with what they have. For alternative fuel cars, Toyota is very successful too. Honda with its upcoming hybrid systems is again looking promising. Does it make sense for them to try something new in NA?
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Exactly, Honda also has it's diesel footprint in Europe, but sadly not in North America.
Exactly, Honda also has it's diesel footprint in Europe, but sadly not in North America.
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Here are some figures from Fuelly: Jetta diesel - 38mpg, civic petrol - 33mpg
That's 15% better. Then factor in the 15% premium of diesel fuel. Now add in the initial extra cost of getting a diesel model, as well as urea injection cost.
If it makes sense for them, they would go ahead with bringing in diesel cars here.
2.) Mindset - Most Americans still thinking diesel engines are dirty when technologies have advanced greatly.
3.) NOx is still an issue if urea is not used. Urea is an added expense.
4.) Hybrid models are popular here. It seems to be "more cool" to drive a hybrid than a diesel for the average Joe. The combined EPA ratings are also very attractive to most people. As I mentioned, the EPA combined rating on the VW Jetta TDI isn't that special at 34mpg (30 city, 42 hwy). a Prius is rated at 50mpg combined while being at the same price as the Jetta TDI.
I'm not saying diesel sucks and hybrid is better. I'm just trying to figure out the reasons as to why manufacturers aren't making diesel models in NA.
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Just using EPA figures: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=32716
Here are some figures from Fuelly: Jetta diesel - 38mpg, civic petrol - 33mpg
That's 15% better. Then factor in the 15% premium of diesel fuel. Now add in the initial extra cost of getting a diesel model, as well as urea injection cost.
Here are some figures from Fuelly: Jetta diesel - 38mpg, civic petrol - 33mpg
That's 15% better. Then factor in the 15% premium of diesel fuel. Now add in the initial extra cost of getting a diesel model, as well as urea injection cost.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-6
This is what some of us think. But I'd imagine there are analysts from different car makers studying the trend too?
If it makes sense for them, they would go ahead with bringing in diesel cars here.
If it makes sense for them, they would go ahead with bringing in diesel cars here.
1.) Diesel is around the same price as gasoline in Europe. US imposes a high federal tax on diesel fuels. I think in some countries like Germany, the government even subsidizes diesel fuels. This makes diesel fuel even cheaper than premium petrol fuel.
2.) Mindset - Most Americans still thinking diesel engines are dirty when technologies have advanced greatly.
3.) NOx is still an issue if urea is not used. Urea is an added expense.
4.) Hybrid models are popular here. It seems to be "more cool" to drive a hybrid than a diesel for the average Joe. The combined EPA ratings are also very attractive to most people. As I mentioned, the EPA combined rating on the VW Jetta TDI isn't that special at 34mpg (30 city, 42 hwy). a Prius is rated at 50mpg combined while being at the same price as the Jetta TDI.
I'm not saying diesel sucks and hybrid is better. I'm just trying to figure out the reasons as to why manufacturers aren't making diesel models in NA.
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Right. But I'm talking about the general public. I'm also not comparing Honda to VW.
I could've used the Ford Focus as an example too:
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...a-civic-ex.pdf
The Focus 6DCT is faster and quieter when idling. its front interior room is larger too. But that's not the point of my post.....
Again, I'm not focusing on Honda here. So I don't care about ILX, ZDX, or CR-Z here. You can slap a 100hp diesel engine in a ZDX or CR-Z and I don't think they would have done better in terms of sale.
I agree, the Jetta diesel will smoke the Prius on a track. But then that's not the point. The fact is, the Prius is one of the top selling vehicles in the world. For instance, for the first quarter of 2012, it's ranked third in sales, behind Corolla and Focus.
Toyota and Lexus have sold 327,413 hybrids in the US in 2012. VW group managed about 100,000 diesel cars in the US in 2012. Of those hybrid cars sold, the regular Prius accounted for about 150,000 units (excluding Prius c and Prius v). Is hybrid more popular or diesel in US? I think these numbers pretty much sum it up.
For whatever reasons, other car makers seem to require urea injection. As I've always said, I think VW is pretty much the best in making diesel engines.
I could've used the Ford Focus as an example too:
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...a-civic-ex.pdf
The Focus 6DCT is faster and quieter when idling. its front interior room is larger too. But that's not the point of my post.....
Again, I'm not focusing on Honda here. So I don't care about ILX, ZDX, or CR-Z here. You can slap a 100hp diesel engine in a ZDX or CR-Z and I don't think they would have done better in terms of sale.
I agree, the Jetta diesel will smoke the Prius on a track. But then that's not the point. The fact is, the Prius is one of the top selling vehicles in the world. For instance, for the first quarter of 2012, it's ranked third in sales, behind Corolla and Focus.
Toyota and Lexus have sold 327,413 hybrids in the US in 2012. VW group managed about 100,000 diesel cars in the US in 2012. Of those hybrid cars sold, the regular Prius accounted for about 150,000 units (excluding Prius c and Prius v). Is hybrid more popular or diesel in US? I think these numbers pretty much sum it up.
For whatever reasons, other car makers seem to require urea injection. As I've always said, I think VW is pretty much the best in making diesel engines.
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Just using EPA figures: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....n=sbs&id=32716
Here are some figures from Fuelly: Jetta diesel - 38mpg, civic petrol - 33mpg
That's 15% better. Then factor in the 15% premium of diesel fuel. Now add in the initial extra cost of getting a diesel model, as well as urea injection cost.
This is what some of us think. But I'd imagine there are analysts from different car makers studying the trend too?
If it makes sense for them, they would go ahead with bringing in diesel cars here.
1.) Diesel is around the same price as gasoline in Europe. US imposes a high federal tax on diesel fuels. I think in some countries like Germany, the government even subsidizes diesel fuels. This makes diesel fuel even cheaper than premium petrol fuel.
2.) Mindset - Most Americans still thinking diesel engines are dirty when technologies have advanced greatly.
3.) NOx is still an issue if urea is not used. Urea is an added expense.
4.) Hybrid models are popular here. It seems to be "more cool" to drive a hybrid than a diesel for the average Joe. The combined EPA ratings are also very attractive to most people. As I mentioned, the EPA combined rating on the VW Jetta TDI isn't that special at 34mpg (30 city, 42 hwy). a Prius is rated at 50mpg combined while being at the same price as the Jetta TDI.
I'm not saying diesel sucks and hybrid is better. I'm just trying to figure out the reasons as to why manufacturers aren't making diesel models in NA.
Here are some figures from Fuelly: Jetta diesel - 38mpg, civic petrol - 33mpg
That's 15% better. Then factor in the 15% premium of diesel fuel. Now add in the initial extra cost of getting a diesel model, as well as urea injection cost.
This is what some of us think. But I'd imagine there are analysts from different car makers studying the trend too?
If it makes sense for them, they would go ahead with bringing in diesel cars here.
1.) Diesel is around the same price as gasoline in Europe. US imposes a high federal tax on diesel fuels. I think in some countries like Germany, the government even subsidizes diesel fuels. This makes diesel fuel even cheaper than premium petrol fuel.
2.) Mindset - Most Americans still thinking diesel engines are dirty when technologies have advanced greatly.
3.) NOx is still an issue if urea is not used. Urea is an added expense.
4.) Hybrid models are popular here. It seems to be "more cool" to drive a hybrid than a diesel for the average Joe. The combined EPA ratings are also very attractive to most people. As I mentioned, the EPA combined rating on the VW Jetta TDI isn't that special at 34mpg (30 city, 42 hwy). a Prius is rated at 50mpg combined while being at the same price as the Jetta TDI.
I'm not saying diesel sucks and hybrid is better. I'm just trying to figure out the reasons as to why manufacturers aren't making diesel models in NA.
Euro Accord 2.2 CDTI(?) is really great car but i really cant wait for mazda6 diesel wagon 6mt
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EPA figures but real world is alot different... Jetta gets 38-40mpg combined and focus gets 30-31... diesel is alot nicer to drive low end tq is really great... hybrid just dont apeal to me... car gets heavier trunk space become smaller and u pay for the car much more than you should...
Euro Accord 2.2 CDTI(?) is really great car but i really cant wait for mazda6 diesel wagon 6mt
Euro Accord 2.2 CDTI(?) is really great car but i really cant wait for mazda6 diesel wagon 6mt
If you read my other post, I also mentioned that in the real world, you'd be seeing 38mpg in the Jetta, rather than 34mpg as shown in EPA.
We often mention that hybrids are heavy. That's true. But how much is the weight penalty? For 2012 Civic, the difference between a Civic hybrid and a Civic EX is 120lb (4%). For a 2012 Camry, the difference between a Camry SE and a Camry hybrid is about 260lb (8%).
But weight penalty also applies to diesel cars. VW Passat 2.5 SE is 3240lb. The same SE trim with TDI is 3455lb. That's a difference of 215lb (~7%).
As you can see the weight difference between a Camry hybrid and a Camry SE is roughly the same as the difference between a Passat SE and a Passat SE TDI.
The key difference is, while for the Camry hybrid, the hybrid components can be spread more evenly around the car (i.e. engine in front, battery in the middle or rear), all of that extra weight for a diesel car sits in the front. We know FWD cars are inferior because of its weight distribution. Having extra weight sitting in front would be even worse, unless careful tuning is done.
As mentioned, initial cost premium does not just apply to hybrid models. It's the same for diesel models too. VW Passat SE TDI starts at $26225k. VW Passat SE starts at $23945. There's a difference of around $2300.
For the Camry, the LE trim starts at $23475, and the Hybrid LE trim starts at $26945. That's a difference of about $3500. The cost difference is higher, but that comes with higher performance and larger fuel economy improvement. And when you compare to the VW TDI, the difference is pretty much negligible at $700.
You do lose a bit of cargo space in a hybrid. For the camry, it's a difference between 15.4 cu.ft vs 13.1 cu.ft.
I just think there are pros and cons to both diesel and hybrid. Overall, I don't think one is significantly better than the other. For manufacturers in NA who have spent years and millions of dollars into hybrid, and having success with it, it will take quite a bit to convince them to start making diesel models.
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^ they don't have to make anything new - everyone of the big makers have a diesel presence in Europe, where diesel is a must. They have to be convinced that simply bringing it over makes sense financially. GM has already decided that with the Cruze, Chrysler did so with the Grand Cherokee and Mazda with the 6. The others are staying put for now. If the sales numbers keep going up those will come along also.
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^ they don't have to make anything new - everyone of the big makers have a diesel presence in Europe, where diesel is a must. They have to be convinced that simply bringing it over makes sense financially. GM has already decided that with the Cruze, Chrysler did so with the Grand Cherokee and Mazda with the 6. The others are staying put for now. If the sales numbers keep going up those will come along also.
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Right. But I'm talking about the general public. I'm also not comparing Honda to VW.
I could've used the Ford Focus as an example too:
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...a-civic-ex.pdf
The Focus 6DCT is faster and quieter when idling. its front interior room is larger too. But that's not the point of my post.....
Again, I'm not focusing on Honda here. So I don't care about ILX, ZDX, or CR-Z here. You can slap a 100hp diesel engine in a ZDX or CR-Z and I don't think they would have done better in terms of sale.
I agree, the Jetta diesel will smoke the Prius on a track. But then that's not the point. The fact is, the Prius is one of the top selling vehicles in the world. For instance, for the first quarter of 2012, it's ranked third in sales, behind Corolla and Focus.
Toyota and Lexus have sold 327,413 hybrids in the US in 2012. VW group managed about 100,000 diesel cars in the US in 2012. Of those hybrid cars sold, the regular Prius accounted for about 150,000 units (excluding Prius c and Prius v). Is hybrid more popular or diesel in US? I think these numbers pretty much sum it up.
For whatever reasons, other car makers seem to require urea injection. As I've always said, I think VW is pretty much the best in making diesel engines.
I could've used the Ford Focus as an example too:
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...a-civic-ex.pdf
The Focus 6DCT is faster and quieter when idling. its front interior room is larger too. But that's not the point of my post.....
Again, I'm not focusing on Honda here. So I don't care about ILX, ZDX, or CR-Z here. You can slap a 100hp diesel engine in a ZDX or CR-Z and I don't think they would have done better in terms of sale.
I agree, the Jetta diesel will smoke the Prius on a track. But then that's not the point. The fact is, the Prius is one of the top selling vehicles in the world. For instance, for the first quarter of 2012, it's ranked third in sales, behind Corolla and Focus.
Toyota and Lexus have sold 327,413 hybrids in the US in 2012. VW group managed about 100,000 diesel cars in the US in 2012. Of those hybrid cars sold, the regular Prius accounted for about 150,000 units (excluding Prius c and Prius v). Is hybrid more popular or diesel in US? I think these numbers pretty much sum it up.
For whatever reasons, other car makers seem to require urea injection. As I've always said, I think VW is pretty much the best in making diesel engines.
Jetta TDI long term avg is 39.5mpg on MotorTrend.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...a_tdi_verdict/
Honda Insight in 38.5 mpg long term. Much lighter vehicle
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ight_update_6/
it gives you general idea that Diesel more efficient on long run tests than Honda Hybrids.
Diesel are under rated by EPA. Toyota is successful with Hybirds but Honda is not. So there is not point for Honda to follow Toyota.
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Of course there are hurdles to make it meet US specs, but it's not as if they have to R&D stuff from scratch. The conversion is a one time expense. The bigger expense is the ongoing costs and the long term commitment. As soon as you offer the diesel you have to put things in place to support it 10+ years. They could pull the plug after a couple of years if sales don't pan out but they are stuck with the support commitment.
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Ford Focus is smaller vehicle. Its rear leg room and cargo capacity is smaller than Jetta.
Jetta TDI long term avg is 39.5mpg on MotorTrend.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...a_tdi_verdict/
Honda Insight in 38.5 mpg long term. Much lighter vehicle
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ight_update_6/
it gives you general idea that Diesel more efficient on long run tests than Honda Hybrids.
Diesel are under rated by EPA. Toyota is successful with Hybirds but Honda is not. So there is not point for Honda to follow Toyota.
Jetta TDI long term avg is 39.5mpg on MotorTrend.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...a_tdi_verdict/
Honda Insight in 38.5 mpg long term. Much lighter vehicle
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ight_update_6/
it gives you general idea that Diesel more efficient on long run tests than Honda Hybrids.
Diesel are under rated by EPA. Toyota is successful with Hybirds but Honda is not. So there is not point for Honda to follow Toyota.
Again, I'm not focusing on Honda here. Honda is replacing IMA with newer technologies as you probably know already. For instance, the new Accord PHEV when its initial charge runs out gets 42mpg. The old Fusion, a class above the Jetta, was getting 37mpg: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...brid_update_1/
Of course there are hurdles to make it meet US specs, but it's not as if they have to R&D stuff from scratch. The conversion is a one time expense. The bigger expense is the ongoing costs and the long term commitment. As soon as you offer the diesel you have to put things in place to support it 10+ years. They could pull the plug after a couple of years if sales don't pan out but they are stuck with the support commitment.
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I don't think it matters much if Focus is slightly smaller inside. That has to do with space efficiency. It has nothing to do with powertrain.....
Again, I'm not focusing on Honda here. Honda is replacing IMA with newer technologies as you probably know already. For instance, the new Accord PHEV when its initial charge runs out gets 42mpg. The old Fusion, a class above the Jetta, was getting 37mpg: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...brid_update_1/
Again, I'm not focusing on Honda here. Honda is replacing IMA with newer technologies as you probably know already. For instance, the new Accord PHEV when its initial charge runs out gets 42mpg. The old Fusion, a class above the Jetta, was getting 37mpg: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...brid_update_1/
Its fuel economic in test is as good as CT-200h.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...agen-jetta-tdi
Paired with the twin-clutch DSG gearbox, the Jetta's 2.0-liter turbodiesel hits like a linebacker, its 236 lb.-ft. of torque helping it dig out of our autocross's tighter corners to post the 3rd-quickest time, all the while churning out those low-pitched oleaginous sounds that diesels mak
For 2011, the Jetta's redesign significantly increased its footprint to better compete with Civic, Corolla, et al., and it shows, as the Jetta is one seriously roomy sedan with almost business class rear seating and a large, grocery bag-devouring trunk. The seats are supportive and comfortable in the long haul, and the interior design manages to be clean and sophisticated without being too plain, with the well thoughtout controls with clean sight lines
Where the Jetta TDI truly shines is out on the open road, where its precise yet pothole-inhaling suspension, no-stress straight-line stability and overall relaxed demeanor justify the monthly payment. And with the 2nd-highest fuel-economy average on our Ortega Loop (38.2 mpg) and a highway range in excess of 600 miles, TDI fill-ups should be blessedly infrequent. Your mileage may vary, of course, especially if you take advantage of all that torque around town when in stoplight holeshot mode.
Paired with the twin-clutch DSG gearbox, the Jetta's 2.0-liter turbodiesel hits like a linebacker, its 236 lb.-ft. of torque helping it dig out of our autocross's tighter corners to post the 3rd-quickest time, all the while churning out those low-pitched oleaginous sounds that diesels mak
For 2011, the Jetta's redesign significantly increased its footprint to better compete with Civic, Corolla, et al., and it shows, as the Jetta is one seriously roomy sedan with almost business class rear seating and a large, grocery bag-devouring trunk. The seats are supportive and comfortable in the long haul, and the interior design manages to be clean and sophisticated without being too plain, with the well thoughtout controls with clean sight lines
Where the Jetta TDI truly shines is out on the open road, where its precise yet pothole-inhaling suspension, no-stress straight-line stability and overall relaxed demeanor justify the monthly payment. And with the 2nd-highest fuel-economy average on our Ortega Loop (38.2 mpg) and a highway range in excess of 600 miles, TDI fill-ups should be blessedly infrequent. Your mileage may vary, of course, especially if you take advantage of all that torque around town when in stoplight holeshot mode.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-lexus-ct-200h
Where the Lexus shines is in economy; it's the champ at 39.7 mpg on our measured route, and the mileage is enjoyed in a truly sybaritic environment.
Where the Lexus shines is in economy; it's the champ at 39.7 mpg on our measured route, and the mileage is enjoyed in a truly sybaritic environment.
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...211531521.html
New 'No-compromise' Honda Civic 1.6 i-DTEC Scoops Gold for Green in Tow Car Awards
LONDON, June 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ --
Honda's new Civic 1.6 i-DTEC ES has scooped the Green Award at the 2013 Tow Car Awards; as well as beating off stiff competition to be crowned the most fuel efficient model in this year's judging.
The Green Award is based on a combination of fuel efficiency, low emissions and towing ability. The Civic was independently tested towing a Swift caravan - weighted to 85 per cent of its kerbweight - the maximum weight recommended for secure and stable towing. The no-compromise frugal Civic capably carried out its duties pulling its caravan from 30-60mph in a very respectable 18.7 seconds.
The Tow Car Awards is a joint venture between Practical Caravan, What Car? and The Camping and Caravanning Club, with caravans and technical support supplied by the Swift Group. Each car goes through a series of towing tests at the MIRA proving ground, including 30-60mph acceleration, 30-0mph braking, a hill start and an emergency lane-change test.
The judges particularly singled out the Civic for its true MPG performance. David Motton, tow car editor, Practical Caravan, commented: "Some cars get nowhere near their official fuel economy figures in normal driving, but in independent testing by the What Car? True MPG team the Civic 1.6 i-DTEC achieved 66.4mpg. That makes it the most fuel-efficient car in this year's tests."
Phil Crossman, Managing Director at Honda (UK) added: "This award once again confirms the new Civic's status as a fantastic package of power, performance and efficiency. It might be one of the smallest cars which took part in the judging but it's proved to be more than capable at towing while maintaining excellent fuel economy."
David Motton, tow car editor, Practical Caravan concludes: "The Civic is the car to choose if you want excellent fuel economy and stable towing. It's a worthy winner of this year's Green Award."
Judges of the Tow Car Awards include the editor of Practical Caravan magazine, the tow car editor of Practical Caravan, the deputy road test editor of What Car?, and the technical department at The Camping and Caravanning Club.
Cars aren't just rated for their towing ability. What Car?'s expert road test team score each car for regular driving, safety, running costs and value for money. The Camping and Caravanning Club's technical team check practical details such as boot space, how easily extension mirrors can be fitted, and whether the spare wheel provision is suitable for towing. Forty six cars were tested as part of this year's awards, with the aim of finding cars which are great to tow with, good value and easy to live with in everyday driving.
The new Civic 1.6 i-DTEC offers a class-leading combination of fuel economy and performance - emitting only 94 g/km of CO2 with a powerful 120PS. The debut of the new small diesel engine on the British-built Civic marks an exciting new chapter in the history of Honda diesels. The engine is the first to be launched in Europe under Honda's flagship Earth Dreams Technology environmental programme; offering customers an outstanding balance of high fuel economy, low emissions and exciting performance.
New 'No-compromise' Honda Civic 1.6 i-DTEC Scoops Gold for Green in Tow Car Awards
LONDON, June 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ --
Honda's new Civic 1.6 i-DTEC ES has scooped the Green Award at the 2013 Tow Car Awards; as well as beating off stiff competition to be crowned the most fuel efficient model in this year's judging.
The Green Award is based on a combination of fuel efficiency, low emissions and towing ability. The Civic was independently tested towing a Swift caravan - weighted to 85 per cent of its kerbweight - the maximum weight recommended for secure and stable towing. The no-compromise frugal Civic capably carried out its duties pulling its caravan from 30-60mph in a very respectable 18.7 seconds.
The Tow Car Awards is a joint venture between Practical Caravan, What Car? and The Camping and Caravanning Club, with caravans and technical support supplied by the Swift Group. Each car goes through a series of towing tests at the MIRA proving ground, including 30-60mph acceleration, 30-0mph braking, a hill start and an emergency lane-change test.
The judges particularly singled out the Civic for its true MPG performance. David Motton, tow car editor, Practical Caravan, commented: "Some cars get nowhere near their official fuel economy figures in normal driving, but in independent testing by the What Car? True MPG team the Civic 1.6 i-DTEC achieved 66.4mpg. That makes it the most fuel-efficient car in this year's tests."
Phil Crossman, Managing Director at Honda (UK) added: "This award once again confirms the new Civic's status as a fantastic package of power, performance and efficiency. It might be one of the smallest cars which took part in the judging but it's proved to be more than capable at towing while maintaining excellent fuel economy."
David Motton, tow car editor, Practical Caravan concludes: "The Civic is the car to choose if you want excellent fuel economy and stable towing. It's a worthy winner of this year's Green Award."
Judges of the Tow Car Awards include the editor of Practical Caravan magazine, the tow car editor of Practical Caravan, the deputy road test editor of What Car?, and the technical department at The Camping and Caravanning Club.
Cars aren't just rated for their towing ability. What Car?'s expert road test team score each car for regular driving, safety, running costs and value for money. The Camping and Caravanning Club's technical team check practical details such as boot space, how easily extension mirrors can be fitted, and whether the spare wheel provision is suitable for towing. Forty six cars were tested as part of this year's awards, with the aim of finding cars which are great to tow with, good value and easy to live with in everyday driving.
The new Civic 1.6 i-DTEC offers a class-leading combination of fuel economy and performance - emitting only 94 g/km of CO2 with a powerful 120PS. The debut of the new small diesel engine on the British-built Civic marks an exciting new chapter in the history of Honda diesels. The engine is the first to be launched in Europe under Honda's flagship Earth Dreams Technology environmental programme; offering customers an outstanding balance of high fuel economy, low emissions and exciting performance.
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Just 1 diesel car out of 6 vehicle offering and its already taking half of orders.
http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases...com-265192.htm
Gurgaon, India -- (SBWIRE) -- 06/12/2013 -- Honda India recently earned the tag of being the fourth biggest car maker due to the rise in the sales figure its recently launched Amaze, the entry level sedan in the month of May.
As reported by the business news of NDTV Profit, Honda India recorded its highest monthly sales of 6036 units of Honda Amaze.
India’s leading online portal for posting the particulars about used and new cars, Gaadi.com perceives that the amazing Honda Amaze achieved over fifty percent of the total sales of Honda India during the month of May.
Gaadi.com also observes that the sales figures of Honda India soared 34 percent in the month of May in comparison with the figures of previous month April, 2013. Apart from that, the figures rose up around 10 percent when compared to the sales volume in the month of May 2012. According to the sales figures reported by NDTV Profit, Honda India sold a total of 11342 vehicle in May 2013 that raced past the figures of 11134 units of cars and utility vehicles sold together by Tata Motors.
As far as other competitors are concerned, Honda India overtook the figures of 10023 units of Toyota vehicles, 8500 units of General Motors and 4002 units of Ford’s vehicle in the month of April. On the contrary, the domestic sales volume of Maruti Suzuki declined by a margin of 13 percent year-on-years.
Overall, the Japanese auto giant Toyota and Ford Motors met with a loss of more than 30 percent decline in sales volume in comparison to the previous year. On the contrary, the stunning entrance of Honda Amaze has undoubtedly hurt its competitors with such a boost in the sales figures.
Complete specifications, features, in-depth reviews of the test drive from selected Indian journalists and user reviews along with some amazing pictures of Honda Amaze can be located on a detailed page unveiled by Gaadi.com.
About Gaadi.com
Gaadi.com is the leading online automotive marketplace that brings car buyers and car sellers together. New car buyers can research their car purchase while used car buyers can browse through the largest collection of inventory online. Serving as the best resource for new car research in India, it provides users with information, opinions & tools that ease the process of finding a suitable car. The used car marketplace of Gaadi.com is the best in online space with a comprehensively curated and photographed stock of used cars. It provides a transparent and reliable platform for used car listings with detailed information for used car buyers.
http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases...com-265192.htm
Gurgaon, India -- (SBWIRE) -- 06/12/2013 -- Honda India recently earned the tag of being the fourth biggest car maker due to the rise in the sales figure its recently launched Amaze, the entry level sedan in the month of May.
As reported by the business news of NDTV Profit, Honda India recorded its highest monthly sales of 6036 units of Honda Amaze.
India’s leading online portal for posting the particulars about used and new cars, Gaadi.com perceives that the amazing Honda Amaze achieved over fifty percent of the total sales of Honda India during the month of May.
Gaadi.com also observes that the sales figures of Honda India soared 34 percent in the month of May in comparison with the figures of previous month April, 2013. Apart from that, the figures rose up around 10 percent when compared to the sales volume in the month of May 2012. According to the sales figures reported by NDTV Profit, Honda India sold a total of 11342 vehicle in May 2013 that raced past the figures of 11134 units of cars and utility vehicles sold together by Tata Motors.
As far as other competitors are concerned, Honda India overtook the figures of 10023 units of Toyota vehicles, 8500 units of General Motors and 4002 units of Ford’s vehicle in the month of April. On the contrary, the domestic sales volume of Maruti Suzuki declined by a margin of 13 percent year-on-years.
Overall, the Japanese auto giant Toyota and Ford Motors met with a loss of more than 30 percent decline in sales volume in comparison to the previous year. On the contrary, the stunning entrance of Honda Amaze has undoubtedly hurt its competitors with such a boost in the sales figures.
Complete specifications, features, in-depth reviews of the test drive from selected Indian journalists and user reviews along with some amazing pictures of Honda Amaze can be located on a detailed page unveiled by Gaadi.com.
About Gaadi.com
Gaadi.com is the leading online automotive marketplace that brings car buyers and car sellers together. New car buyers can research their car purchase while used car buyers can browse through the largest collection of inventory online. Serving as the best resource for new car research in India, it provides users with information, opinions & tools that ease the process of finding a suitable car. The used car marketplace of Gaadi.com is the best in online space with a comprehensively curated and photographed stock of used cars. It provides a transparent and reliable platform for used car listings with detailed information for used car buyers.
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The point i am making is the Honda diesel has alot more success now than Hybrids. Hybrids are still expensive and not so fuel efficient.
There are 5 diesel vehicles coming to India alone. I dont think Honda is increasing hybrid at same rate around the world. Ultimately diesel engines will become cheaper as they will be making so many of them.
http://www.cardekho.com/india-car-ne...yama-10539.htm
.10 Honda Amaze is the first diesel car from Honda and it is getting tremendous success, what about Honda's future plans for diesel cars in India?
The i-DTEC diesel engine will help us expand our business as we will be sequentially adopting it in our new products. Starting with the Amaze, we are going to have 5 big launches over the next three years. This gives us big opportunity to expand our business.
We are very confident about the success of our diesel introduction in the markets. With addition of diesel power, the universe in which we operate will increase to around 50% of the total passenger vehicle market over the next few years.
http://www.sundayworld.com/lifestyle...s-are-honda-up
This figure represents a growth of 16.3 per cent with sales and market share also increasing in Ireland. Customer demand for the latest Honda models, especially the CR-V and Civic is encouraging, and the new ultra-efficient 1.6 litre i-DTEC engine in the new Civic has proved to be a great addition, with sales increasing by 50 per cent in the Irish market so far this year.
The brilliant CR-V will get this fabulous 1.6 litre i-DTEC engine this coming autumn, and this should help sales increase further.
This figure represents a growth of 16.3 per cent with sales and market share also increasing in Ireland. Customer demand for the latest Honda models, especially the CR-V and Civic is encouraging, and the new ultra-efficient 1.6 litre i-DTEC engine in the new Civic has proved to be a great addition, with sales increasing by 50 per cent in the Irish market so far this year.
The brilliant CR-V will get this fabulous 1.6 litre i-DTEC engine this coming autumn, and this should help sales increase further.
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What the heck is Honda thinking with it's reluctance in bring any such fine diesel vehicle over to North America ?
What the heck is Honda thinking with it's reluctance in bring any such fine diesel vehicle over to North America ?
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lol, well, may be you can look at my previous posts for possible explanation.
In Summary:
1.) Diesel car premium ($2.5-$3.5k)
2.) Diesel fuel is more expensive in NA (10-15%)
3.) Tighter NOx regulations in US
4.) Urea injection is required most of the time. Even future VW products will require that due to tighter emissions standards. This adds cost. For a MB GL, you pay about $0.50/100 miles.
5.) Honda is focusing on hybrids
lol, well, may be you can look at my previous posts for possible explanation.
In Summary:
1.) Diesel car premium ($2.5-$3.5k)
2.) Diesel fuel is more expensive in NA (10-15%)
3.) Tighter NOx regulations in US
4.) Urea injection is required most of the time. Even future VW products will require that due to tighter emissions standards. This adds cost. For a MB GL, you pay about $0.50/100 miles.
5.) Honda is focusing on hybrids
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One-third of car shoppers now considering diesels
Nearly a third of new car shoppers say they will consider a diesel-powered vehicle when it comes time to buy, signaling a major shift in the acceptance of diesel powertrains in the United States.
Consumer Reports recently sifted through a new survey conducted by the National Association for Convenience and Fuel Retailing and discovered and interesting fact -- 31 percent of the 1,200 Americans surveyed said they would at least consider purchasing a diesel-powered vehicle. The survey was restricted to consumers likely to buy a vehicle within the next two years.
Not surprisingly, better fuel economy was cited as the number one reason for diesel consideration. Diesels typically get 20-25 percent better economy than their gasoline counterparts and return hybrid-like figures during highway cruising.
The second answer was a little more perplexing, with 33 percent of respondents saying they were considering a diesel because they are better for the environment. Although diesels are more efficient than comparable gas motors, they actually spew more emissions.
Better reliability was also a leading factor in diesel consideration, although CR notes that it hasn't seen any appreciable differences in its evaluation of diesel and gas-powered vehicles.
Things like less maintenance, more power and higher resale values were also cited in the survey.
Diesels were virtually non-existent in the U.S. market just a few years ago, but have now spread to most segments of the market, from entry-level cars like the Chevrolet Cruze and Volkswagen Jetta on up to big, luxury SUVs like the Audi Q7 and Mercedes-Benz GL.
Consumer Reports recently sifted through a new survey conducted by the National Association for Convenience and Fuel Retailing and discovered and interesting fact -- 31 percent of the 1,200 Americans surveyed said they would at least consider purchasing a diesel-powered vehicle. The survey was restricted to consumers likely to buy a vehicle within the next two years.
Not surprisingly, better fuel economy was cited as the number one reason for diesel consideration. Diesels typically get 20-25 percent better economy than their gasoline counterparts and return hybrid-like figures during highway cruising.
The second answer was a little more perplexing, with 33 percent of respondents saying they were considering a diesel because they are better for the environment. Although diesels are more efficient than comparable gas motors, they actually spew more emissions.
Better reliability was also a leading factor in diesel consideration, although CR notes that it hasn't seen any appreciable differences in its evaluation of diesel and gas-powered vehicles.
Things like less maintenance, more power and higher resale values were also cited in the survey.
Diesels were virtually non-existent in the U.S. market just a few years ago, but have now spread to most segments of the market, from entry-level cars like the Chevrolet Cruze and Volkswagen Jetta on up to big, luxury SUVs like the Audi Q7 and Mercedes-Benz GL.
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Although diesels are more efficient than comparable gas motors, they actually spew more emissions.