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at that Focus residual. I hope the '12 fares better.
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Chevrolet said it is cutting the price of the 2012 Chevrolet Volt extended-range electric sedan $1,005, to $39,995 -- but has eliminated two key standard feature to do that, navigation and Bose audio.

The navi and Bose will be available in a $1,995 options package, so a 2012 Volt equipped like the base 2011 Volt actually will be $41,990, or $990 more than the 2011's $41,000.

Some Volt buyers can qualify for $7,500 federal tax credits, reducing the car's net price.

Production of the 2011 has ended. The Hamtramck, Mich., factory will begin making 2012s in mid-July after being reconfigured. In addition to the 2011 Volt, Hamtramck had been building the Cadillac DTS and Buick Lucerne big sedans and those are discontinued.

The factory changes will allow allow GM to roughly triple production of the electric models. Those will include an Opel Ampera, to be exported to Germany starting the third quarter, and a European-market Volt to be sold by overseas Chevy dealers where Opel isn't the main GM brand.

Hamtramck will be able to build about 45,000 Volts for U.S. dealers next year, and 16,000 models for export, according to Volt spokesman Rob Peterson.

He said Chevy decided to ax the standard navi because Volt "has the classic high-tech, early adopter buyers and they already are using their own navigation, either through a smartphone or their own (aftermarket) system. "

In addition, Chevy will manufacture a special HOV version of Volt for California:

The California Volt will be configured to qualify get its owner one of the state's coveted the high-occupancy-vehicle express-lane stickers letting you drive there whenever you want -- even if you are flying solo in the car (an SOV?).

The state's HOV rules get stricter Jan. 1 and they will boot Toyota Priuses and other 'conventional' gas-electric hybrids out of the HOV lanes in favor of pure electrics and so-called AT PZEV (advanced-technology partial zero-emission) vehicles, such as as the California-ized Volt.

Getting the AT PZEV designation for Volt mainly involves cutting the evaporative emissions -- fumes that leak from the gasoline tank, which Volt needs for its gas engine.

The gas engine turns a generator to keep electricity flowing to the car's electric motor when the batteries get low. The engine also can drive the car's wheels under a specific, limited set of circumstances. That's led to criticism of GM for calling the Volt an "electric," and resulted in GM's emphasis on the "extended-range electric" designation.

Volt goes about 35 miles on battery-only power. If not plugged in for a recharge, the gas engine takes over to keep the car running, giving it a total range of some 300 miles.

Chevy has said that if an owner never recharged and relied solely on the gas engine to provide juice when the batteries ran down, the car would get about 37 miles per gallon.
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He said Chevy decided to ax the standard navi because Volt "has the classic high-tech, early adopter buyers and they already are using their own navigation, either through a smartphone or their own (aftermarket) system. "
Right, cuz Chevy didn't know this before they started selling the Volt.
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The state's HOV rules get stricter Jan. 1 and they will boot Toyota Priuses and other 'conventional' gas-electric hybrids out of the HOV lanes in favor of pure electrics and so-called AT PZEV (advanced-technology partial zero-emission) vehicles, such as as the California-ized Volt.
Tree huggers and social engineers at their worst.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communit...ing-interest/1

Sure, buyers start losing interest in any new model after the initial hoopla dies down and ad dollars dry up, but there's trouble on the horizon for the Chevrolet Volt, the electric wonder car.


Interest in buying the $39,995 plug-in car is starting to taper off, not only among "early adopters" but among lots of other buyers as well, reports CNW Research, which tracks such things. That's interesting considering that the Volt has some of the hottest technology going, like the ability to go 25 miles or more without using any gas and having a backup gas engine on board for unlimited range.

In March, more than 21% of early adopters said they were very likely to consider the GM vehicle. In the July study, that figure had dropped to 14.6%, CNW says. They are not the only ones. Those identifying themselves as "electric vehicle enthusiasts" were pulling away as well. Their consideration fell from 25% in March to 17% in July. Most alarming: "In fact, all categories of new-car intenders are reporting less likelihood of even considering the vehicle."

The big problem -- no surprise here -- is price. It's cited by both the early adopters and the EV enthusiasts as a stumbling block.
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I sure hope GM has plans for the 5000 Volts/mo coming off the assembly line later in the year.
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The new Toyota plug-in Prius is being priced about $8,000 less than Chevrolet's Volt. Both cars can run on electric power alone until the juice runs out and the auxiliary gas engines takes over. So will the plug-in Prius sink the Volt?

Seems like there is a reasonable chance. The Volt, at $39,995, runs farther on electric power alone, more than 25 miles. But while the Prius will only run about 15 miles on electricity alone, it will be capable of being fully recharged in a quick three hours.

Chevrolet has had to build word about the wonders of its Volt plug-in from scratch. But Toyota enters the plug-in gas with a gold-standard name -- Prius. The current and two previous generation of Prius are generally beloved by their owners, and not just because of their gas-savings. The cars have been lauded for their handling and reliability.
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What will the tree hugger do?
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"But the Volt runs on electric motors powered by a gasoline engine generator."
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Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

GM has estimated they’ve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and $250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.

If battery manufacturers awarded incentives to produce batteries the Volt may use are included in the analysis, the potential government subsidy per Volt increases to $256,824. For example, A123 Systems has received extensive state and federal support, and bid to be a supplier to the Volt, but the deal instead went to Compact Power. The $256,824 figure includes adding up the subsidies to both companies.

The $3 billion total subsidy figure includes $690.4 million offered by the state of Michigan and $2.3 billion in federal money. That’s enough to purchase 75,222 Volts with a sticker price of $39,828.

Additional state and local support provided to Volt suppliers was not included in the analysis, Hohman said, and could increase the level of government aid. For instance, the Volt is being assembled at the Poletown plant in Detroit/Hamtramck, which was built on land acquired by General Motors through eminent domain.

“It just goes to show there are certain folks that will spend anything to get their vision of what people should do,” said State Representative Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills. “It’s a glaring example of the failure of central planning trying to force citizens to purchase something they may not want. … They should let the free market make those decisions.”

“This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant,” said Hohman, referring to the car produced by the former Communist state of East Germany.

According to GM CEO Dan Akerson, the average Volt owner makes $170,000 per year.
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Disgusting.

So much for market demand dictating the product.
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I own a GM product and part of me still strongly thinks GM should have just gone down in flames. I'm all for competition but not by means of forced subsidization.
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^^ Yes, GM should have gone into BK....they would have come back leaner and meaner and stronger. They had plenty of assets to go through BK and come out on the other side in fighting shape.
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Some Chevrolet dealers are turning down Volts that General Motors wants to ship to them, a potential stumbling block as GM looks to accelerate sales of the plug-in hybrid.

For example, consider the New York City market. Last month, GM allocated 104 Volts to 14 dealerships in the area, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Dealers took just 31 of them, the lowest take rate for any Chevy model in that market last month. That group of dealers ordered more than 90% of the other vehicles they were eligible to take, the source said.

In Clovis, Calif., meanwhile, Brett Hedrick, dealer principal at Hedrick's Chevrolet, sold 10 Volts last year. But in December and January he turned down all 6 Volts allocated to him under GM's "turn-and-earn" system, which distributes vehicles based on past sales volumes and inventory levels.

GM's "thinking we need six more Volts is just crazy," Hedrick says. "We've never sold more than 2 in a month." Hedrick says he usually takes just about every vehicle that GM allocates to him.

GM spokesman Rob Peterson confirmed that "dealer ordering is down" for the Volt. He said many dealers have been waiting for resolution of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's investigation into the risk of fires in the car's battery pack. Last year three packs caught fire in the days or weeks following government test crashes.

This month GM announced a voluntary repair aimed at protecting the battery pack. And last week NHTSA said it has closed its investigation, concluding that the battery pack poses no significant fire risk.

"There's a lot of misinformation that has swirled over the past month," Peterson said. "Dealers are kind of waiting for things to settle down."

Hedrick and other dealers say that their GM zone reps aren't pressuring them to take more Volts. "They haven't jammed us," he says. "I think they'll just give them to somebody else."

Industry insiders are closely watching sales of the Volt and Nissan Leaf as barometers of market demand for electric vehicles. Several other automakers are set to launch EVs this year.

At the Detroit auto show this month, GM executives said they wouldn't chase a previous Volt production target set for 2012 -- 60,000 units, 3-quarters of which would be for U.S. sales -- and vowed simply to build as many as customers want.

GM sold 7,671 Volts in the United States in 2011, short of its 10,000-unit target. It launched the car in 7 key markets starting in late 2010, but didn't begin a national rollout until this past autumn.

"We haven't satisfied demand," GM North America President Mark Reuss said on the sidelines of the Detroit show. He said GM will be able to gauge Volt demand by sometime in the 2nd quarter.

Many dealers say they no longer have customers waiting in the wings

One East Coast Chevy dealer said he agreed to take all 5 of the Volts that GM allocated to him this month, even though he has seen a "huge dropoff" in customer interest.

"I probably should have taken only one," he said. "Sometimes as a dealer you choose to do things that are good for the company. I believe in the car."

The sales staff at Ourisman Rockmont Chevrolet near Washington, D.C., sold 19 Volts last year. General Manager Dug Dugger says "there are more buyers out there."

He's about to find out. Last week he had 18 Volts en route to his dealership.

Dugger says: "I'm not about to run scared until I have a feel for what the appetite is."
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You see kids, there never really is much market demand for a mediocre performing, high price point product, when there is better performing product, at a lower price point.
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GM to suspend Volt production for 5 weeks to cut inventory

GM will cease production of the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid for more than a month to cut back on rising inventory levels. The move represents the second Volt production halt this year aimed at dealing with oversupply issues.

Production of the Volt at GM’s Detroit-Hamtramck factory in Michigan will cease from March 19 to April 23, according to a Detroit News report. The Volt and its Opel Ampera twin will be the only vehicles built at the plant, which employs 1,300 workers, until production of the non-hybrid Chevrolet Malibu begins later this year.

The Volt actually enjoyed a relatively strong month in February, with 1,023 examples finding homes over the course of the month. However, GM still ended February with 6,300 Volts siting on dealer lots, which equates to roughly a 154-day supply at the current sales pace.

“We need to maintain the right inventory levels and continue to meet demand,” GM spokesman Chris Lee said.

GM had previously suspended production of the plug-in hybrid last December as part of the automaker’s holiday assembly plant shutdowns. The production halt lasted until February 6th, a month longer than is normal for most GM models.
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I think we can start to stick a fork in the Volt.
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I saw my first Volt on the street the other day, it pulled into the next gas station. Damn shame about the 1,300 layoffs though.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
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I think we can start to stick a fork in the Volt.
Nah, it will soldier on like the RL.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I think we can start to stick a fork in the Volt.


They averaged about 800 cars sold per month in January and February. Their goal for 2012 was 45,000. They're only 400% behind the pace needed to meet their goal.
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Even Portland has passed the Volt in favor of the Leaf which has passed the Prius as the new official smugmobile of the righteous greenies. I see at least five or six Leafs per day whereas I have only seen two Volts since introduction.
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what did GM expect/ 43K for an electric/gas hybrid? Really? they thought it was going to sell?


Good bye Volt, you will NOT be missed
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Quite unfortunate. This is really a great car. Close friend of the family constantly brags how he spends $20/month every other month on gas while averaging 1500+ miles (tracked by onstar). There has been a moment of pause since, and we've decided to hold off on the audi purchases for the time being. The s5 is wicked, but hardly worrying about the sting of gas is enticing.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...150050289.html
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I found this point about resale interesting. The battery takes up a large amount of the initial cost of electric cars. What's a 5 year old battery worth?

"For most Americans a car is an investment and when you think about what car you want to buy the resale value matters a lot," says Adner. "The resale value for an electric car is dramatically different than for a regular car and it all comes from the battery," which is half the cost of the car.

As is typical of batteries, they get used up after a certain amount of use. They have a finite lifespan, which leaves you with "depreciation on the most expensive part of your car," Adner says.

But battery technology is constantly improving. "That is great news for everyone who has not yet bought a car," he notes. But "[if] You buy a 2012 (Nissan) Leaf and you try to sell it back to the market in 2016 and [guess] what you find?"

You'll find that the technology is outdated and much better in newer vehicles. "Suddenly selling your car back to the market is like selling a used computer," which, like all technology, tends not to hold value upon resale.

Adner does have a solution. "You have to decouple the purchase of the car and the purchase of the battery…using a model that looks just like the cell phone providers who also give you a really expensive piece of hardware [but] take the depreciation out of your hands by putting you on a multi-year contract." In the accompanying interview, he tells Aaron that one company called Better Place is already doing this.
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Volt Vs Cruze
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

click link for entire article. Here is what they said about the fuel savings...
As a tech statement, the Volt is this century’s bold stroke. But in the harsh world of new-car economics and no-kidding comparison tests, it finished second to its kid brother here for several reasons. Topping that list is initial cost. Even after you’ve cashed in the federal government’s generous $7500 tax credit and applicable state or local subsidies, the Volt costs roughly 50 percent more than the Cruze. And, in any given lifetime, there’s no way to make a payback pencil out. Based on EPA combined-mileage ratings, $4 per gallon for gas, and $0.112 per kWh for electricity, the savings attributable to driving the Volt 100,000 miles solely on electricity over the gas-powered Cruze is only $8089.
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^ until we get to $6+ gas, the math does not work for either a Volt nor most hybrids.
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@doopstr^Good post and fair arguments. One question remains, is the 2002 Toyota Rav 4 the exception? It still fetches a decent price to this day, even with 70k+ miles.

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Is it safe to assume that some Americans don't care about the ROI vs. the convenience of throwing $5 in your tank and driving a good stretch?

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^ until we get to $6+ gas, the math does not work for either a Volt nor most hybrids.
The current fucktard of an administration would love 10 buck gas. Then it would make SHIT like this seem like a good idea. As if every one could just run out and buy a few new cars for their house hold to combat the 10 buck gas.
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The current fucktard of an administration would love 10 buck gas. Then it would make SHIT like this seem like a good idea. As if every one could just run out and buy a few new cars for their house hold to combat the 10 buck gas.
please explain further
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I'd rather see a Nat gas car that I can just jack into my home once or twice a week. Nat gas is pretty damn cheap now. No need to worry about handling/replacing/disposing expensive batteries.

If there was a viable midsize nat gas car that was comparable in price to gasoline, I would buy it tomorrow. Near term it would be a pain to fuel on a long trip but for going back and forth to work it's no problem for someone that has nat gas service at home. I guess the question is, can the local utility supply enough nat gas to fuel the cars gassing up at home?

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I'd rather see a Nat gas car that I can just jack into my home once or twice a week. Nat gas is pretty damn cheap now. No need to worry about handling/replacing/disposing expensive batteries.

If there was a viable midsize nat gas car that was comparable in price to gasoline, I would buy it tomorrow. Near term it would be a pain to fuel on a long trip but for going back and forth to work it's no problem for someone that has nat gas service at home.
This is the alternative in texas. You can purchase a conversion kit for a few grand and have Atmos install a valve in your garage. Either way, I still don't think the average American (Texan at least) gets it. Tanks>fuel efficiency and if you own a car that gets higher mpg, youre considered a hippie.

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The current fucktard of an administration would love 10 buck gas. Then it would make SHIT like this seem like a good idea. As if every one could just run out and buy a few new cars for their house hold to combat the 10 buck gas.
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please explain further

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^ until we get to $6+ gas, the math does not work for either a Volt nor most hybrids.
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Originally Posted by whudini3000
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Whats to explain? They are perfectly happy with higher gas prices, it only furthers their push for alternative fuel vehicles more. The technology just isnt there as a affordable solution right now, allowing gas prices to go higher now isnt going to help anyone. Far too many americans cant afford to replace their vehicles right now, especially at the cost of them.

Nat gas wont work for most. There simply arent enough refilling stations for it.
Electric? sure lets tax the already over used grid system even more and have every one plug their cars in. Yea, that works cause every one has 8 hours to waste every 40 miles to charge the batteries.
Dont know about you but i cant afford 3 new alternative fuel vehicles to replace the gas burning ones i have. Dont think many out there can. Gas is here to stay, and for quite some time. Allowing fuel prices to climb drastically high to help push ones agenda isnt good for anyone.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Whats to explain? They are perfectly happy with higher gas prices, it only furthers their push for alternative fuel vehicles more. The technology just isnt there as a affordable solution right now, allowing gas prices to go higher now isnt going to help anyone. Far too many americans cant afford to replace their vehicles right now, especially at the cost of them.
If I understand you correctly, You are proposing the government is dictating oil/gas prices to further the push for Volt's? Better yet, are you suggesting the government welcomes higher oil/gas prices to push a clean energy initiative? Fact is: No president/administration has control over oil prices including the previous administration. Secondly, US oil consumption is down. Thirdly, immediate domestic offshore drilling wouldn't create a sizable dent in current oil prices.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...BtkR_blog.html

Nat gas wont work for most. There simply arent enough refilling stations for it.
Electric? sure lets tax the already over used grid system even more and have every one plug their cars in. Yea, that works cause every one has 8 hours to waste every 40 miles to charge the batteries.
Why not? Would you not agree that America's infrastructure is outdated, and not as efficient as it should? We have a 19th century energy grid system that is in need of serious help. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=110997398 Invest in an efficient grid, and we will be better equipped for peak hour charges. Future vehicles will use hybrid technology its only a matter of time.

Dont know about you but i cant afford 3 new alternative fuel vehicles to replace the gas burning ones i have. Dont think many out there can. Gas is here to stay, and for quite some time. Allowing fuel prices to climb drastically high to help push ones agenda isnt good for anyone.
I agree, oil is here to stay but I firmly believe future vehicles will not be powered on gas alone. And again, I don't know of any administration who would agree to rising gas prices in hopes to sell more electric vehicles. Newt says he can lower gas to $2.50, but we all know Newt is a liar. As far as being able to afford a volt... I again see many people making poor purchasing decisions. People are back to buying poor performing mpg vehicles, and then have the audacity to complain about fuel pump prices. It seems some Americans never learn...

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No im not saying they are directly involved in the prices, but on that same token, making it nearly impossible to drill for our own to cut dependency (which if we utilized more of our own large supplies would/could drastically do) would/could help. Also as you stated, our infrastructure needs to severely be updated and would be even for nat gas which is high enough in price, adding that much more demand would only further raise heating costs. Not having built any new refineries in decades isnt helping prices.

So you see most making poor purchase decisions a reason many cant "just" go out and buy new 40+k alternative fuel vehicles? Try to tell me that. I have a daughter about to go into collage in a couple years, a 2 year old and a 2 month old. I do very well for myself, but choose to keep my Expedition which IS needed, my 2000 TL, my various other toys and lake home. Im NOT going to sell the stuff just so i can go out and buy overpriced, impractical vehicles just because they (and for MANY americans these vehicles are impractical as not every one lives in a large city) supposedly get better mileage. And another question is why would it? Then i would have a large car payment again on top of having to pay for electricity and gas for it. What would i save? I do have a right to complain about high prices when things could be done (wouldnt happen immediately but if had been implemented years ago we could be seeing some of the effects of it now)to help keep gas lower.
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Originally Posted by whudini3000
If I understand you correctly, You are proposing the government is dictating oil/gas prices to further the push for Volt's? Better yet, are you suggesting the government welcomes higher oil/gas prices to push a clean energy initiative? Fact is: No president/administration has control over oil prices including the previous administration. Secondly, US oil consumption is down. Thirdly, immediate domestic offshore drilling wouldn't create a sizable dent in current oil prices.

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Yes, the US commander-in-chief has and can seriously affect world oil prices, especially if he keeps ratcheting up the tension in the Middle East.

The simply supply-and-demand mechanism doesn't work here. The possibility of potential conflicts in the Middle East will cause massive speculation in oil futures which in turns ramps up the oil prices.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Yes, the US commander-in-chief has and can seriously affect world oil prices, especially if he keeps ratcheting up the tension in the Middle East.

The simply supply-and-demand mechanism doesn't work here. The possibility of potential conflicts in the Middle East will cause massive speculation in oil futures which in turns ramps up the oil prices.
Provide links to support your theory.

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