Chevrolet: Volt news **Production Cut (page 8)**
#121
The sizzle in the Steak
From what I've read, the cost of the electricity to power the car would be equivalent to less than $1 per gallon on average, so it would save money on fuel costs. The bigger issue is the high upfront cost of the car. It will probably take many, many years for the average driver to recoup the initial cost.
#122
They will be expensive for a couple years, or at least until the other makers can put out a product that boasts similar performance. (The Volt is clearly a step beyond the Prius and similar...) Naturally GM is anxious to recoup development costs, and make a profit selling a hot product (that isn't a Corvette), so it should not be suprising the car comes with a premium pricetag.
It think they will sell very well. It's a nice looking car.
It think they will sell very well. It's a nice looking car.
#123
#125
The sizzle in the Steak
#127
AZ Community Team
They will be expensive for a couple years, or at least until the other makers can put out a product that boasts similar performance. (The Volt is clearly a step beyond the Prius and similar...) Naturally GM is anxious to recoup development costs, and make a profit selling a hot product (that isn't a Corvette), so it should not be suprising the car comes with a premium pricetag.
It think they will sell very well. It's a nice looking car.
It think they will sell very well. It's a nice looking car.
It's definitely a big step for GM to go beyond the Prius, interesting to see how well GM executes the electric drivetrain in terms of performance and realibility.
#128
AZ Community Team
#129
The sizzle in the Steak
Volt: a car for idiots
The upcoming Chevrolet Volt may promise a 230 mpg city rating, but not everyone in the automotive community is convinced the buying public is ready for a $40,000 electric car. Not surprisingly, Audi president Johan de Nysschen – an avid diesel supporter – is dubious of the Volt, even going as far as to call it a “car for idiots”.
de Nysschen’s biggest gripe with the Volt is its estimated $40,000 price tag. Although that price competes with mid-size luxury sedans, de Nysschen points out that the car itself is more in line with $25,000 competition. As such, the Volt might struggle to find buyers.
“No one is going to pay a $15,000 premium for a car that competes with a (Toyota) Corolla,” de Nysschen told MSN. “So there are not enough idiots who will buy it.”
de Nysschen admits plug-in hybrids have an advantage over diesel in stop-and-go driving, but feels the majority of hybrid buyers are still trying to make a statement. “They’re for the intellectual elite who want to show what enlightened souls they are,” he added.
Although Audi has some hybrid vehicles on the way, the German automaker will rely heavily on its diesel technology to increase fuel economy and reduce overall emissions. Compared to standard gas engines, Audi’s diesel consume 25 percent less fuel and emit up to 35 percent fewer Co2 emissions – all while saving costs over a typical hybrid system.
In the end, de Nysschen predicts the Volt will be a sales flop, with the government intervening – once again – to keep the program afloat.
de Nysschen’s biggest gripe with the Volt is its estimated $40,000 price tag. Although that price competes with mid-size luxury sedans, de Nysschen points out that the car itself is more in line with $25,000 competition. As such, the Volt might struggle to find buyers.
“No one is going to pay a $15,000 premium for a car that competes with a (Toyota) Corolla,” de Nysschen told MSN. “So there are not enough idiots who will buy it.”
de Nysschen admits plug-in hybrids have an advantage over diesel in stop-and-go driving, but feels the majority of hybrid buyers are still trying to make a statement. “They’re for the intellectual elite who want to show what enlightened souls they are,” he added.
Although Audi has some hybrid vehicles on the way, the German automaker will rely heavily on its diesel technology to increase fuel economy and reduce overall emissions. Compared to standard gas engines, Audi’s diesel consume 25 percent less fuel and emit up to 35 percent fewer Co2 emissions – all while saving costs over a typical hybrid system.
In the end, de Nysschen predicts the Volt will be a sales flop, with the government intervening – once again – to keep the program afloat.
#132
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ And you would be wrong too.
Present day Audi versus +3 years ago is night and day.
Present day Audi versus +3 years ago is night and day.
#134
AZ Community Team
In terms of the comments Audi CEO's of North America make, they (Audi CEO's) tend to make some fairly idiotic comments themselves. My favorite one, although a few years old I still love this one.
http://www.automobile.com/audi-of-am...w-phaeton.html
#135
The sizzle in the Steak
#136
Race Director
Obviously this guy is not bothered by political correctness and calls them as he sees them. I have a feeling he would have said the same thing of the Prius when it first came out. There will be enough "idiots" at first, but long term he might be right.
#137
AZ Community Team
Bob Lutz made similar comments about the Prius and hybrids in general, then he switched sides and was the top GM exec behind the Volt (although reason is for less imported oil not CO2).
Gotta love Lutz, he always speaks his mind no matter what.
Gotta love Lutz, he always speaks his mind no matter what.
#138
The sizzle in the Steak
For 40k you can get some serious lux vehicles......or a Volt with a Prius quality feel to it.
#139
Race Director
We don't know how much of this is influenced by politics (Obama may be "nudging" GM toward a car like this in exchange for the bailout), marketeers gone wild, tree huggers, etc. Strictly on economics it'd be a tough sell.
#140
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#141
I'm the Firestarter
For $40,000 for a 4-seater it's going to be a niche vehicle. Although I think in Ontario it might get as much as $10,000 in tax credit, so we'll see, maybe it will be comparable to a Prius in price.
#143
In terms of the comments Audi CEO's of North America make, they (Audi CEO's) tend to make some fairly idiotic comments themselves. My favorite one, although a few years old I still love this one.
http://www.automobile.com/audi-of-am...w-phaeton.html
#144
The sizzle in the Steak
...not to mention VW/Audi statements about their goals to increase reliability of their products over the past years.
No doubt some past products were pretty bad, but you can't argue with the current products.
#145
The sizzle in the Steak
Audi president de Nysschen explains Volt is for idiots comment
Following a media storm over his comments calling the Chevrolet Volt a “car for idiots”, Audi president Johan de Nysschen has released a statement explaining his side of the story. de Nysschen says he doesn’t recall specifically labeling the Volt as a car for idiots, but is dubious about the immediate viability of electric cars.
de Nysschen expresses doubt about several aspects of the electric car, but particularly takes issue with the Volt’s projected $40,000 price tag. “The 50% or so price increase that the Volt represents over a similar gasoline car cannot be offset through the savings from reduced fuel consumption,” de Nysschen said. “The only way to offset the extreme premium for the Volt is through taxpayer-funded subsidies. So I question if that makes economic sense.”
de Nysschen is also wary of the environmental impact of electric vehicles. Although electric vehicles would have no emissions themselves, de Nysschen thinks that the electrification of the automobile will only “shift greenhouse gas emissions from the tailpipes of cars to the smokestacks of coal-burning utilities”.
Despite de Nysschen’s views, Audi is still developing its own hybrid and electric vehicles, with one example possibly set for a Frankfurt preview. However, Audi’s core competence lies in diesel technology, so expect the German automaker to rely more heavily on clean diesel than EVs in the short term.
de Nysschen expresses doubt about several aspects of the electric car, but particularly takes issue with the Volt’s projected $40,000 price tag. “The 50% or so price increase that the Volt represents over a similar gasoline car cannot be offset through the savings from reduced fuel consumption,” de Nysschen said. “The only way to offset the extreme premium for the Volt is through taxpayer-funded subsidies. So I question if that makes economic sense.”
de Nysschen is also wary of the environmental impact of electric vehicles. Although electric vehicles would have no emissions themselves, de Nysschen thinks that the electrification of the automobile will only “shift greenhouse gas emissions from the tailpipes of cars to the smokestacks of coal-burning utilities”.
Despite de Nysschen’s views, Audi is still developing its own hybrid and electric vehicles, with one example possibly set for a Frankfurt preview. However, Audi’s core competence lies in diesel technology, so expect the German automaker to rely more heavily on clean diesel than EVs in the short term.
He makes some valid points, yet again.
#146
AZ Community Team
It's still too early to know if this attempt at quality/reliabity/durability reform at Audi will take hold. In another 3 or so years, then the picture will become clearer. About the only ones who know now is probably Audi, who've logged 10 of thousands of miles on their test/validation fleet.
So noone outside of Audi knows how well the long term ownership cost/issues will work out. I believe this will be Audi's fourth broad attempt at quality initiative since the late 70's. Time will tell how it works out this time.
So noone outside of Audi knows how well the long term ownership cost/issues will work out. I believe this will be Audi's fourth broad attempt at quality initiative since the late 70's. Time will tell how it works out this time.
Let's put it this way....owners who post on all the various VW/Audi forums/sites...and VW/Audi owners on this site as well pretty much are all of the consensus that the quality/reliability of their vehicles is vastly improved from the past vehicles of +4 years and earlier.
...not to mention VW/Audi statements about their goals to increase reliability of their products over the past years.
No doubt some past products were pretty bad, but you can't argue with the current products.
...not to mention VW/Audi statements about their goals to increase reliability of their products over the past years.
No doubt some past products were pretty bad, but you can't argue with the current products.
#147
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ In the legendary words posted here in automotive news
German Cars: "Built to break"
:wink:
German Cars: "Built to break"
:wink:
#148
Banned
It's still too early to know if this attempt at quality/reliabity/durability reform at Audi will take hold. In another 3 or so years, then the picture will become clearer. About the only ones who know now is probably Audi, who've logged 10 of thousands of miles on their test/validation fleet.
So noone outside of Audi knows how well the long term ownership cost/issues will work out. I believe this will be Audi's fourth broad attempt at quality initiative since the late 70's. Time will tell how it works out this time.
So noone outside of Audi knows how well the long term ownership cost/issues will work out. I believe this will be Audi's fourth broad attempt at quality initiative since the late 70's. Time will tell how it works out this time.
#149
The sizzle in the Steak
Which was more my point. Those cars are still out there, and for a lot of people, may have been their last car. They certainly wouldn't call anything they built quality, or rather well put together. I keep hoping they get it together, because they have some of the best looking cars on the road...when they're on the road.
#151
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ So far so good.
#152
I shoot people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvwTMZNWGuk
(wasn't sure if this video should go in this thread or the "Funny Internet" thread )
#153
The sizzle in the Steak
As if the idea of all the world's vehicles will run on plug in electric vehicles wasn't the most stupid idea....then comes along a dance that's just a stupid to go along with it.
#154
I shoot people
Oh c'mon Moog.... You know you like it... it's probably your ringtone by now
#157
Punk Rocker
^^^Didn't they try to do that with the Camaro too? The only reason it survived its nearly 4 year gestation period is that its a new "Camaro"....
#158
I'm the Firestarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvwTMZNWGuk
(wasn't sure if this video should go in this thread or the "Funny Internet" thread )
#159
Race Director
The issue I see with the Volt is that it's a Chevy. The majority of tree-huggers that buy it for looking "green" live on the two coasts where domestic makers just don't fare as well as the Japanese makers. And while car rags claim the car will be in the low $30K range after the gov't subsidy, the typical buyer will be hard pressed to pony up the $40K+ to buy it. This will not be like CFC where the dealer can front you the $7500.
The typical buyer will go the dealer, see the Cruze/Malibu and the Volt, do the math and end up buying the Cruze.
The typical buyer will go the dealer, see the Cruze/Malibu and the Volt, do the math and end up buying the Cruze.
#160
how handsome I am
The issue I see with the Volt is that it's a Chevy. The majority of tree-huggers that buy it for looking "green" live on the two coasts where domestic makers just don't fare as well as the Japanese makers. And while car rags claim the car will be in the low $30K range after the gov't subsidy, the typical buyer will be hard pressed to pony up the $40K+ to buy it. This will not be like CFC where the dealer can front you the $7500.
The typical buyer will go the dealer, see the Cruze/Malibu and the Volt, do the math and end up buying the Cruze.
The typical buyer will go the dealer, see the Cruze/Malibu and the Volt, do the math and end up buying the Cruze.