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Old 08-01-2013, 08:20 AM
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Minority maybe in Car Talk on AZ, maybe. In the past two decades factory Corvettes have stood toe-to-toe with 911s. Perhaps even longer. Prestige is a different story.

In the US, muscle cars were called supercars before the term "muscle car" even existed. Again, all semantics... even members on rennlist and 6SO will give credit when it's due.
+1 IMO, Vette's have been slowly rising in stature since the C4. Every generation has closed the gap to 911's from the bloated C3 pig.

To me the Vette credibility watershed moment was when the design team on the C5 insisted on a rear transaxle (2 actually, AT and MT) for weight distribution. The Vette lead (former Cadillace Allente lead) brought it up to senior management who IIRC deferred the decision up to the GM board. The Vette lead agreed to give up using the Northstar DOHC V8 for the transaxle. Took awhile but the Vette team got their rear transaxle.

That to me was a important moment in changing the C5 to a more capable car. The C7 with it's vastly improved interior and styling is another step function.
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Old 08-01-2013, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
This is where I have trouble. The Vette may perform like a supercar but it isn't. And won't be because it's a Chevy. Supercars are about performance AND prestige.
C6R has proven the Vette's prestige at Le Mans and other tracks. Same with Audi R-series race cars and it's more ambitious Le Mans prototype program.

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Originally Posted by Costco View Post
Minority maybe in Car Talk on AZ, maybe. In the past two decades factory Corvettes have stood toe-to-toe with 911s. Perhaps even longer. Prestige is a different story.

In the US, muscle cars were called supercars before the term "muscle car" even existed. Again, all semantics... even members on rennlist and 6SO will give credit when it's due.
I was just referring to the prestige portion. Performance-wise, the Vette has been a giant killer for a considerable amount of time now.

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You are right, it is a matter of opinion. And i may be in the minority but it doesnt make me any more wrong than it makes you right
Agreed...although, by definition, I'm ALWAYS right.

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C6R has proven the Vette's prestige at Le Mans and other tracks. Same with Audi R-series race cars and it's more ambitious Le Mans prototype program.
I had a more vanity-based type of prestige in mind.
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Yea..it's a matter of opinions really....I'm sure the Vette has a lot more prestige and is considered by quite a few as comparable to 911 in performance AND prestige. But things are probably quite different in Europe....
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Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
This is where I have trouble. The Vette may perform like a supercar but it isn't. And won't be because it's a Chevy. Supercars are about performance AND prestige.
Surely you are trolling. There is no way you can be serious.

In the event you are being serious - the fact that the ZR1 model exists makes the Vette a supercar, no question about it. And it's not just about horsepower numbers, it's about the car having the same brakes as those used on the Enzo and FXX (the fronts are similar in design to the FXX, just a tad smaller (15.5" vs 15.75") - the rears are the same brakes as the fronts on an Enzo (15"). This is bonafide supercar status. Just one example, the rest of the car reflects the same sentiment - with CF comprising much of its construction along with aluminum. These are facts, not opinions.

I can see an argument where the entry-level Vette is not a supercar, but that would be based solely on it's lower horsepower. The ZR1 and Z06 *are* supercars, hands down.
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Let's not forget that people will not easily overlook details like raiding the parts bin and using a Saturn steering wheel for the $100k ZR1 things like that matter when a car is mentioned with the likes of Ferrari and Porsche.

It's all semantics... people will argue that the NSX is/isn't an exotic for example. Ultimately when someone pays that much for a car, they want to say they bought a Porsche or a Mercedes and not a Chevy.
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FWIW Ferrari used Fiat switches and stalks for their 348 interior and Porsche has used VW/Audi parts.

And I'm guessing majority of Vette owners say they bought a Vette since it's a household name.

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C6R has proven the Vette's prestige at Le Mans and other tracks. Same with Audi R-series race cars and it's more ambitious Le Mans prototype program.
agreed - and, all these things told, saying "its still a Chevy" as a basis for any conclusion is a pretty stupid and baseless argument.
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Originally Posted by srika View Post
Surely you are trolling. There is no way you can be serious.

In the event you are being serious - the fact that the ZR1 model exists makes the Vette a supercar, no question about it. And it's not just about horsepower numbers, it's about the car having the same brakes as those used on the Enzo and FXX (the fronts are similar in design to the FXX, just a tad smaller (15.5" vs 15.75") - the rears are the same brakes as the fronts on an Enzo (15"). This is bonafide supercar status. Just one example, the rest of the car reflects the same sentiment - with CF comprising much of its construction along with aluminum. These are facts, not opinions.

I can see an argument where the entry-level Vette is not a supercar, but that would be based solely on it's lower horsepower. The ZR1 and Z06 *are* supercars, hands down.
And where does Ferrari get their magnetic shock technology from?
They are licensed from GM who also make them for the Corvette and Cadillac.

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wow, GREAT point.
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Originally Posted by srika View Post
wow, GREAT point.
Rather than quoting your other post - Re: Supercar

I wouldn't consider the Carrera S a super car either.

Supercars (IMO): Audi R8 V10, Aston Vantage V12(S), Porsche 911 Turbo(S), Ferrari F458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo, Alfa 8C

Hypercars: Zonda, SLR, Ferrari F12, Aston Vanquish

I would put the Vette, 911 Carrera S, Audi R8 4.2, GT-R, etc in a slot below Supercar.

I haven't seen the new Corvette in person yet. It might very well be that sitting in it and seeing it in person puts it up with the R8 V10 level.

I'm not trolling. I'm serious. Unless the C7 is lightyears ahead of the C6 then it doesn't matter to me how good it is just on the track. To be a supercar it should have prestige. Otherwise it's just a sensational sports car.

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sounds like a difference of how we define the term 'supercar'.

my standard for a supercar is lower than yours. I say the ZR1 is a supercar.

but, at this point, I think this is a moot argument.
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Question is: is the Vette as popular abroad as the 911 is domestically?

Edit: by popularity, I mean as highly regarded in terms of super car stature.

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Originally Posted by srika View Post
sounds like a difference of how we define the term 'supercar'.

my standard for a supercar is lower than yours. I say the ZR1 is a supercar.

but, at this point, I think this is a moot argument.
I still love you

Though if the C7 is what you think it is, then I'll redefine it too
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Question is: is the Vette as popular abroad as the 911 is domestically?

Edit: by popularity, I mean as highly regarded in terms of super car stature.
Definitely not. Small sample size, but consider how the Corvette is regarded on Top Gear (UK)

According to 90% of people on youtube, American cars can't handle for shit, Vette included.
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Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
Rather than quoting your other post - Re: Supercar

I wouldn't consider the Carrera S a super car either.

Supercars (IMO): Audi R8 V10, Aston Vantage V12(S), Porsche 911 Turbo(S), Ferrari F458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo, Alfa 8C, Vette ZR1

Hypercars: Zonda, SLR, Ferrari F12, Aston Vanquish

I would put the Vette, 911 Carrera S, Audi R8 4.2, GT-R, etc in a slot below Supercar.

I haven't seen the new Corvette in person yet. It might very well be that sitting in it and seeing it in person puts it up with the R8 V10 level.

I'm not trolling. I'm serious. Unless the C7 is lightyears ahead of the C6 then
it doesn't matter to me how good it is just on the track. To be a supercar it should have prestige. Otherwise it's just a sensational sports car.
Fixed

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Have you not read any of the articles or watched any of the videos yet? It IS light years ahead of the C6 from what those that have driven it have said.
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Though if the C7 is what you think it is, then I'll redefine it too
aww

at it's price point, I wouldn't call the base model C7 a supercar. A part of "super" comes from how much you have to pay for it. $100k and above sounds good to me. It would have to be the ZR1, and I *could* give a pardon to the Z06 based on its performance.
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A 2nd Corvette C7 Pre-production car in a wreck.


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Thumbs up 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51 Suspension Walkaround

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Gotta say, the Vette looks good even after getting T-boned.
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Agreed-this car is going to be VERY popular. Hendrick Chevrolet in Kansas City already has 70 pre-orders for the coupe and 18 pre-orders for the convertible.

They're allotted 100 cars for the first delivery.
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Gotta say, the Vette looks good even after getting T-boned.
You know, it seems to have held up quite well given the amount of damage to the Lincoln also.
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WOW am impressed....the whole under body is covered, the exhaust is well protected....brake cooling ducts....this does offer the complete package....

am waiting for the "Z07" and the ZR1 packages....
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The electronically controlled diff is also imporessive

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What an amazing car.
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i like it a lot. i was searching for cammed corvettes on youtube, and it just made me want a corvette even more.

a cammed V8 is just too intoxicating to not take notice.
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looks great. waiting for used one since can't afford retail
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Gotta say, the Vette looks good even after getting T-boned.
agreed look at those taillights! look mean as hell. \\--//
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Wow they're really making the Corvette quite a machine. I'd be satisfied with just a base version.
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ok so this is huge. Top Gear loved the car and called it "stunning" and "astonishing".

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/c...ive-2013-08-19
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First Drive: the new Corvette Stingray

"What the Vette team has managed to achieve with the C7 is nothing short of astonishing..."

Is that the new Corvette?

Yep, but it's not called the Corvette anymore. For 2014 it's now the Corvette Stingray.

What, so it's got two names?

Yes again. But that's not an entirely new thing. Chevrolet has used the Stingray name before on previous versions of the ‘Vette. If you want to win the pub quiz with this one, it was known as the Corvette Sting Ray from '63-67 - the C2 version - and as the Corvette Stingray from '69-'76 - the middle of the C3 version - and now again in 2014.

What's all this C2 and C3 business about?

The C denotes the generation of the Corvette. A bit like Dr Who (without the Daleks and Cybermen), the car has been through six rebirths since it was launched in 1953, so there are six generations. The launch of this new car is the seventh iteration of the Vette, so it's known as the C7.

OK, so you're telling me that it's old enough to be the Viper's dad?

I am. But let's not dwell on any other comparisons between the two cars yet. Well, maybe just a couple to give you the picture. Sales of the Viper total under 2,000 a year. Sales of the 'Vette regularly top 12,000, so the big SRT is a much more limited-run car. The other thing to consider is price. The Viper starts at $97,395 while the base version of the Corvette starts at $51,995. There will be pricier versions of the 'Vette later, but for now it's really not worth comparing the two.

What versions are going to be available from launch then?

There are going to be two available from day one: the base car, which isn't really base as it's so loaded with tech and spec; and the Z51, which adds a pack of go-faster goodies that you should consider an essential option as all of them make the car even better. There are a number of optional extras that need to be considered, too.

So what's new about the C7 Corvette?

It's probably easier to talk about what isn't new than what is, as the new car only shares two parts with the previous generation: the cabin air filter and the rear latch for the removable roof panel. But let's jump in and give you a quick rundown of the highlights.

OK...

First up is the all-new interior. This is probably the biggest improvement to the car. Instead of feeling like you are sitting in something made down to a price, it now looks, feels and operates like it's been built to a modern standard. Replacing the previous nasty plastics, it's now all soft touch, good looking stuff accented with real leather, aluminium and carbon fibre.

Tell me about some of the new tech on offer.

Nothing short of mind-bending. But the good news is it's all relatively simple to access. There are two eight-inch hi-def screens to access all the info plus a single rotary drive mode selector that allows you to change between the 'Vette's five modes - Weather, Eco, Tour (the default), Sport and Track - and the car's set up in an instant. You don't have to mess around with sub menus, the car just adjusts 12 of its parameters to suit the conditions.

What, it thinks for you?

Kind of, yeah. The new 'Vette has tyre temperature monitors which feed this key information into the car's central brain, which adjusts everything from traction control to the electronic rear diff (on the Z51) according to the grip available. If you also spec the active damping system there aren't switches to change its mode, it just adapts to whatever driving conditions you happen to be doing at that instant. Likewise, the gauges adapt, too. When the engine is new or the oil is cold, the tacho will lower the redline until the engine warms up, to stop you over revving it.

Cool. What else is new?

Loads. We have only just scratched the surface so far. So I'm going to be brief or we'll be here all day. We are going to be doing stacks more in-depth coverage of this car online and in the magazine, so we'll get it all to you soon. But for now, deep breath, here we go.

Mechanically, the highlights include an active rev match feature on the seven speed manual gearbox that spookily predicts which gear you are going to select next - using a sensor in the base of the gearlever - and then matching the engine revs to the road speed. You can turn it on and off using one of two steering wheel mounted paddles and, once you get used to not doing it yourself, it works. There's also a six-speed automatic (in the US only) if you can't be bothered.

And the engine?

The new 455bhp/624 Nm LT1 V8 motor is still a pushrod design - to keep the height of the engine down and preserve the low bonnet height for better vision - but it's loaded with new tech to make it more flexible and efficient. When Eco mode is selected and the car is cruising it shuts down four of the cylinders to save fuel. It makes the engine sound a bit funny but it allows the Vette to hit almost 30mpg.

Both the bonnet and removable roof panel are now made of carbon fibre on all models, the frame is wrought from aluminium, and the doors and rear quarter panels are made of composite. Together they help give the 1,499kg C7 a 50:50 front/rear weight balance. The Z51 package adds a dry sump, electronic limited slip diff, brake, diff and transmission cooling, plus larger wheels, better brakes and some design changes, such as the taller rear lid spoiler to aid high-speed stability.

Is there going be a convertible version?

Yes, one is on the way. It has a latchless fabric hood and an ability to put it up while travelling at up to 30mph. But why you'd want that when the standard car has a removable and easily stowable roof panel is questionable.

The design looks different - what's happened to the trademark round rear taillights?

Good spot. The C7 has evolved the 'Vette design in many ways, giving it echoes of 500 series Ferraris - around the nose and roof - and the Nissan GT-R thanks to the diagonal wing vents, depending on where you are standing and the colour schemes chosen. But the single biggest change is the switch from round rear lights to the slashes on the new car. The added angularity of the body and lighting works to make the car feel more modern, but it's going to be a personal thing whether you like it or not.

$64,000 question - what's it like to drive?

In a word: stunning. What the 'Vette team has managed to achieve with the C7 is nothing short of astonishing. You basically get three cars in one. It will comfortably cruise all day, mopping up bumps, sipping fuel and generally letting you go about your business without getting in the way. You'd be happy commuting in it. Equally it has the performance - and luggage space under the rear hatch - to handle long journeys with ease. But the really special bit is, without touching anything more than the chassis set up dial, you can take it to a track and have hours of fun, too.

There's stacks of grip at both ends, the adjustable steering communicates really well when you want it to and fades away when you don't, the chassis absorbs changes of input from the road and driver without issue. And, best of all, it's all massively entertaining in the process. Unlike a lot of high performance cars which don't give you much feedback until the limit, you really feel like you can thrash the C7 and get all the value out of it at all speeds.

So should I buy one then?

If you've ever thought about a 'Vette, now is the time. By thoroughly updating the car the C7 team have vaulted to the front of the wave of modern two-seater sportscars. There really isn't anything else on the market that does as much as this car can do for even twice the price.

The numbers
6,162cc, 8cyl, RWD, 455bhp, 624Nm, 23mpg, CO2 n/a, 0-60mph 3.8secs, 190mph, 1499kg

Price
From $51,995
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There really isn't anything else on the market that does as much as this car can do for even twice the price.
wow....... !!!!!1
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...C, 7, R...

I still have wet dreams of the C5.R

Glad top gear liked it. Although I kind of loved that they hated it for so long.
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That would be correct, Swoosh!

I'm hoping to see this car sometime in September. Maybe order one shortly thereafter.
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^^^ what about the Cayman S?....your wifey thinks thats hotter
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The Cayman S is an outstanding motor (channeling Wheeler Dealers). But.....the one I built online was around $85,000 for the Cayman S. And that did not have everything the Stingray has.
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After seeing the Stingray in person at the Chevy booth at the ALMS race, Pictures do NOT do it justice. Seeing it in person, the car is beautiful. Even the Black bumper that most dont like in pics looks much better in person. And the interior
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