Chevrolet: Camaro News
#163
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if it looks anything like the posted images, i would jump into one in a heart beat. I'd turn my trans am into a track car, and have this one with some long tubes, cam, suspension and wheels as a 400+whp daily driver.
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the first one (on pg 3),
the second one,
the second one,
#166
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I'll take one please
and added some japanese themed profile and rear end, looks like crap.
A camaro should be a rough/mean looking car from front to rear-lioke chevy's actual concept photos, not some sporty smooth lined car. This is muscle, not sport.
#167
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I agree Heyitsme ... They need to get away from the long sweeping lines of the previous gen Camaro and go back to the more upright late 60s style.
And not having seen that photo of the orange one for a while, I realize now how bad it looks ... Damn it's ugly
And not having seen that photo of the orange one for a while, I realize now how bad it looks ... Damn it's ugly
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Originally Posted by Maximized
IRS, LS2, T56, and 3400 lbs please!!!
I don't think you'll see IRS on the new Camaro, as I'm sure GM will try to keep the costs down (for the v6 model)... They'll probably have their usual camaro lineup.. from a cheap v6 model, v8 model, and SS/RS, etc model...
I'm going to reserve judgement on the camaro until I see some "real" pictures...
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Originally Posted by av6ent
Here is the shit I love too
Damn make one like that please! With 450HP + V8
Damn make one like that please! With 450HP + V8
That is pretty badass though I think that a production version would have a B pillar.
That definitely would stand out against a Mustang and a Challenger.
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Official photos: 2009 Chevrolet Camaro Concept - - By Mark Gillies - - Source: Automobile Mag
Just to prove that German automakers aren't the only ones who plan products based on what their rivals have done, GM comes out with the Camaro--a retro-styled, two-door coupe with a honking big V-8 that harks back to the glory days of Motown. If that sounds familiar, that's exactly what Ford did with the Mustang. Hot on the heels of the Pony car's success, DaimlerChrysler has dusted off the Challenger and Chevy has produced a new Camaro, a nameplate that was more recently interred. The muscular Camaro concept is pure '69 updated, with the kind of huge wheels and subtle detailing that makes it look up-to-the-minute. The good news for GM is that the concept is far more sophisticated than the live-axle Mustang, with an all-around independent suspension and a six-speed manual transmission allied to a 400-hp small-block V-8. Will they build it? Only if GM can make a business case for the next-generation rear-wheel-drive platform that would underpin this, a GTO, and various Holdens, or adapts Holden architecture for expediency.
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"The good news for GM is that the concept is far more sophisticated than the live-axle Mustang, with an all-around independent suspension and a six-speed manual transmission allied to a 400-hp small-block V-8."
YESSS. I honestly didn't think GM would bother one-upping Mustang with an independent suspension. I love this concept! It's retro without looking like a carbon copy of the past, like the Challenger. Geez I hope they bring over a next gen GTO, so they can make this too!!!!!
YESSS. I honestly didn't think GM would bother one-upping Mustang with an independent suspension. I love this concept! It's retro without looking like a carbon copy of the past, like the Challenger. Geez I hope they bring over a next gen GTO, so they can make this too!!!!!
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The guages start "0" at 6 o'clock. Very cool. The two tone interior's really nice; it'd be cool to see a production version very close to it. I also love the rear fascia treatment.
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The red one is cool.
But I think I still like the Challenger better.
But I think I still like the Challenger better.
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Will they build it? Only if GM can make a business case for the next-generation rear-wheel-drive platform that would underpin this, a GTO, and various Holdens, or adapts Holden architecture for expediency.
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Man GM Really needs to bring that bad boy out!
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wow - that looks incredible....... much better than the black one that was posted somewhere above... that scared me.
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so glad they stuck with the original pics posted by Yumchah on 12/6/05, page 3...
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Originally Posted by srika
wow - that looks incredible....... much better than the black one that was posted somewhere above... that scared me.
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Chevrolet Camaro concept - - Source: Autoweek
Chevrolet Camaro concept
Perhaps inspired by the Mustang’s success, or even the booming interest in classic American muscle, the Bow-tie bunch has deemed conditions again conducive to a resuscitation of its pony car. And while the Camaro exists solely in concept form for now, we expect a production version to follow, by 2009 at the latest. Under the car’s bulging hood sits a Corvette-derived 6.0-liter LS2 V8, tuned to crank out 400 hp and anchored to a Tremec T56 six-speed manual transmission. The engine also makes use of cylinder-deactivation technology to increase fuel efficiency. Chevy expects the Camaro to achieve 30 mpg on the freeway.
Perhaps inspired by the Mustang’s success, or even the booming interest in classic American muscle, the Bow-tie bunch has deemed conditions again conducive to a resuscitation of its pony car. And while the Camaro exists solely in concept form for now, we expect a production version to follow, by 2009 at the latest. Under the car’s bulging hood sits a Corvette-derived 6.0-liter LS2 V8, tuned to crank out 400 hp and anchored to a Tremec T56 six-speed manual transmission. The engine also makes use of cylinder-deactivation technology to increase fuel efficiency. Chevy expects the Camaro to achieve 30 mpg on the freeway.
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Bitchin’ Bow Tie - - By NATALIE NEFF - - Source: Autoweek
Chevrolet withstood a titanic amount of grief, suffering the slings and arrows of the Camaro faithful (as well as many in the enthusiast press) when it torpedoed the 35-year-old pony car in 2002. After years of keeping the Camaro afloat despite foundering sales, Chevy felt it needed to cut the storied but antiquated F-body loose.
The besieged automaker went on to suffer the added scourge of watching Ford Mustang sales—buoyed by that car’s first complete redesign since 1979—swell to fill the void. For Chevrolet and its fans, this took some of the luster off their best news for 2005: Chevy outsold the Ford brand for the first time in 19 years.
Now the folks at Chevrolet have finally given Camaro loyalists something to celebrate. Perhaps inspired by the Mustang’s success, or even the booming interest in classic American muscle, the Bow-tie bunch has deemed conditions again conducive to a resuscitation of its pony car. And while the Camaro exists solely in concept form for now, we expect a production version to follow, by 2009 at the latest. (Those who think that’s too long should consider that even mighty Toyota took three years to turn the FJ Cruiser concept into a production model.)
Chevy used the Detroit show to officially unveil the concept car, but if you’re one of the thousands that frequent any number of enthusiast message boards on the Web—including AutoWeek.com’s own Combustion Chamber—then you’ve already caught buzz about the car, perhaps even peeked at leaked photos of the clay model.
Fuzzy internet pics of clay mockups, however, don’t do justice to the real thing.
Under the car’s bulging hood sits a Corvette-derived 6.0-liter LS2 V8, tuned to crank out 400 hp and anchored to a Tremec T56 six-speed manual transmission. The engine also makes use of cylinder-deactivation technology to increase fuel efficiency. Chevy expects the Camaro to achieve 30 mpg on the freeway.
Handling duties fall to a four-wheel independent suspension, with MacPherson struts up front, a multilink design in back and progressive-rate coil springs and gas-pressurized dampers all around. It’s basically a derivative of the General’s Australian-built (and briefly canceled for export here from Down Under) Zeta rear-drive platform, which we expect will underpin a future Pontiac GTO as well as other U.S.-bound GM vehicles.
The show car sits on a set of flashy concept-specific wheels, 21-inch alloys up front wrapped in 245/30 rubber, with 305/30R-22s putting the power down in back. All four wheels house four-piston calipers gripping 14-inch vented disc brakes.
There is more than a hint of 1969 Camaro in the car’s lines, especially along its beltline and in the grille. The echoes come as little surprise, and not only because many consider the ’69 model the best-looking of the first-generation car. Ask Ed Welburn, GM vice president and design chief, what sits in his personal garage, and the first car he mentions is his yellow and black ’69 SS.
“I wanted to capture the spirit, the essence of [the ’69 Camaro],” says Tom Peters, director of design for GM’s global rear-wheel-drive performance cars. “But I am not a proponent of ‘retro’ design.” A barb aimed at Mustang? Probably.
Peters says he was more interested in distilling the essence of the ’69 car and infusing that into the concept.
“What are the powerful, passion-filled cues that made it desirable back then, make it exciting and desirable today, and I bet you a donut in 20 or 40 years will also be pretty neat to look at?” Peters says he asked of his design team. “I want you to sketch the meanest street-fighting dog you can sketch.”
Between its low, wide stance, flared fenders and prominent grille, the Camaro indeed has the presence of a street fighter. And it looks every bit the successor to the ’69 without being a complete rehash.
Peters admits he also took the liberty of sprinkling the car with a few Corvette cues; understandable, given he was the chief designer of the C6. Much of the Vette’s contribution lies in the Camaro’s rear, wrapping around to the quarter-panels.
We think it’s a winner of a design, inside and out. But what do the message-board mobs have to say about the car? A brief sampling found many more yeas than nays, though, admittedly, the malcontents proved much more fun: “It looked like a bad Hot Wheels car”; “a bit too much Batman for my taste, but a definite improvement over the Mustang”; “the best thing that GM can do with this mess is to start all over. They would do better by copying another one of Chrysler’s cars like they did with the HHR.”
Peters knows all about the Internet chatter and doesn’t sound the least bit concerned over the negative stuff floating in cyberspace.
“Times have changed. Obviously there are different customer expectations, there are more competitors out there, there are technical advances that all had to be factored into not only the design but the function as well,” he explains. “The function drives the aesthetic in a way.”
If the Camaro drives as well as it looks, then GM may have a winner on its hands. And with Dodge showing a Challenger just down the hall, it seems we may have an old-fashioned, pony-car donnybrook brewing.
The besieged automaker went on to suffer the added scourge of watching Ford Mustang sales—buoyed by that car’s first complete redesign since 1979—swell to fill the void. For Chevrolet and its fans, this took some of the luster off their best news for 2005: Chevy outsold the Ford brand for the first time in 19 years.
Now the folks at Chevrolet have finally given Camaro loyalists something to celebrate. Perhaps inspired by the Mustang’s success, or even the booming interest in classic American muscle, the Bow-tie bunch has deemed conditions again conducive to a resuscitation of its pony car. And while the Camaro exists solely in concept form for now, we expect a production version to follow, by 2009 at the latest. (Those who think that’s too long should consider that even mighty Toyota took three years to turn the FJ Cruiser concept into a production model.)
Chevy used the Detroit show to officially unveil the concept car, but if you’re one of the thousands that frequent any number of enthusiast message boards on the Web—including AutoWeek.com’s own Combustion Chamber—then you’ve already caught buzz about the car, perhaps even peeked at leaked photos of the clay model.
Fuzzy internet pics of clay mockups, however, don’t do justice to the real thing.
Under the car’s bulging hood sits a Corvette-derived 6.0-liter LS2 V8, tuned to crank out 400 hp and anchored to a Tremec T56 six-speed manual transmission. The engine also makes use of cylinder-deactivation technology to increase fuel efficiency. Chevy expects the Camaro to achieve 30 mpg on the freeway.
Handling duties fall to a four-wheel independent suspension, with MacPherson struts up front, a multilink design in back and progressive-rate coil springs and gas-pressurized dampers all around. It’s basically a derivative of the General’s Australian-built (and briefly canceled for export here from Down Under) Zeta rear-drive platform, which we expect will underpin a future Pontiac GTO as well as other U.S.-bound GM vehicles.
The show car sits on a set of flashy concept-specific wheels, 21-inch alloys up front wrapped in 245/30 rubber, with 305/30R-22s putting the power down in back. All four wheels house four-piston calipers gripping 14-inch vented disc brakes.
There is more than a hint of 1969 Camaro in the car’s lines, especially along its beltline and in the grille. The echoes come as little surprise, and not only because many consider the ’69 model the best-looking of the first-generation car. Ask Ed Welburn, GM vice president and design chief, what sits in his personal garage, and the first car he mentions is his yellow and black ’69 SS.
“I wanted to capture the spirit, the essence of [the ’69 Camaro],” says Tom Peters, director of design for GM’s global rear-wheel-drive performance cars. “But I am not a proponent of ‘retro’ design.” A barb aimed at Mustang? Probably.
Peters says he was more interested in distilling the essence of the ’69 car and infusing that into the concept.
“What are the powerful, passion-filled cues that made it desirable back then, make it exciting and desirable today, and I bet you a donut in 20 or 40 years will also be pretty neat to look at?” Peters says he asked of his design team. “I want you to sketch the meanest street-fighting dog you can sketch.”
Between its low, wide stance, flared fenders and prominent grille, the Camaro indeed has the presence of a street fighter. And it looks every bit the successor to the ’69 without being a complete rehash.
Peters admits he also took the liberty of sprinkling the car with a few Corvette cues; understandable, given he was the chief designer of the C6. Much of the Vette’s contribution lies in the Camaro’s rear, wrapping around to the quarter-panels.
We think it’s a winner of a design, inside and out. But what do the message-board mobs have to say about the car? A brief sampling found many more yeas than nays, though, admittedly, the malcontents proved much more fun: “It looked like a bad Hot Wheels car”; “a bit too much Batman for my taste, but a definite improvement over the Mustang”; “the best thing that GM can do with this mess is to start all over. They would do better by copying another one of Chrysler’s cars like they did with the HHR.”
Peters knows all about the Internet chatter and doesn’t sound the least bit concerned over the negative stuff floating in cyberspace.
“Times have changed. Obviously there are different customer expectations, there are more competitors out there, there are technical advances that all had to be factored into not only the design but the function as well,” he explains. “The function drives the aesthetic in a way.”
If the Camaro drives as well as it looks, then GM may have a winner on its hands. And with Dodge showing a Challenger just down the hall, it seems we may have an old-fashioned, pony-car donnybrook brewing.
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^ Man, that's a nice car. Thanks for the new pics, Gav. I hope they don't change a thing with the exterior (save, maybe some realworld wheels). I love the interior, though I know that's sure to be tweeked.
#192
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Camaro Concept > current Mustang
BUILD IT GM.....It would be a start to turning the company around.
Don't dumb it down!
BUILD IT GM.....It would be a start to turning the company around.
Don't dumb it down!
#194
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this car is looking better and better... I mean damn.... THIS is a GM vehicle??? DONE!!!!
BUILD IT JUST LIKE THIS!!!
BUILD IT JUST LIKE THIS!!!
#195
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Originally Posted by srika
this car is looking better and better... I mean damn.... THIS is a GM vehicle??? DONE!!!!
BUILD IT JUST LIKE THIS!!!
BUILD IT JUST LIKE THIS!!!
#196
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I hope they don't screw with the concept. But I have my serious doubts.
That is stunning. I also have doubts they can keep the price competitive.
#198
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If the GTO MSRP is in the low $30's the Z might be a little more since I'm sure they're going to give it better suspension. Does the GTO handle like a sports car already? They can't make it too high to interfere with Vette sales since they're in the $40's.
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so it's nice to over this concept.. but I think we all know in the back of our heads that the production version will look substantially watered-down. GM, feel free to surprise me but, I just don't see it happening.
but damn... HID's on a '69 Camaro.. who knew. And are those a pair of Tanabe Racing Medallions I see?? j/k
but damn... HID's on a '69 Camaro.. who knew. And are those a pair of Tanabe Racing Medallions I see?? j/k
#200
Yea I don't know, with the Dodge car, its simple so I can see that getting built as is. This design has a lot more to it, which means there are more things that could be dropped off to make the price if need be. I like the interior.