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Old 12-24-2011, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hapa DC5
^ I like a mid-size car due to my size. But if I fit in this ATS, I may have found a G replacement in 2016ish.
Me too! Well, depending on price....
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45-55k for a ATS-V I'd be down.
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Anyone here old enough to remember the Cadillac Cimarron?



Also known as the "j-car" Chevy Cavalier & Buick Skyhawk. This was Cadillac's answer to the small sport sedans that Audi and BMW were offering in the early 80's. If the reports of power for the ATS coming from a 2.0 liter turbo D.I VVT 4-cylinder and the 3.6 liter D.I. VVT V-6 are correct, Audi and BMW will laugh as hard as they did back in 1982.

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I miss those boxy cars, we had one of the Dodge cars, passenger side mirror missing (OEM) and all.
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Originally Posted by Mr Marco

Also known as the "j-car" Chevy Cavalier & Buick Skyhawk. This was Cadillac's answer to the small sport sedans that Audi and BMW were offering in the early 80's. If the reports of power for the ATS coming from a 2.0 liter turbo D.I VVT 4-cylinder and the 3.6 liter D.I. VVT V-6 are correct, Audi and BMW will laugh as hard as they did back in 1982.
Not a very good analogy. The ATS is a new RWD platform (not some whoring of a cheap FWD platform) and the power numbers for the optional engines more than match the Germans. The only issue will be weight handling looks and price.
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Originally Posted by Mr Marco
Anyone here old enough to remember the Cadillac Cimarron?
I am. What's your point?



Originally Posted by Mr Marco
Also known as the "j-car" Chevy Cavalier & Buick Skyhawk. This was Cadillac's answer to the small sport sedans that Audi and BMW were offering in the early 80's.
Again...what does this have to do with the 2013 ATS?

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If the reports of power for the ATS coming from a 2.0 liter turbo D.I VVT 4-cylinder and the 3.6 liter D.I. VVT V-6 are correct, Audi and BMW will laugh as hard as they did back in 1982.
A little too much eggnog for you? I don't think Audi or BMW will be laughing at a turbo 4 that puts out 270HP.
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Originally Posted by Mr Marco
Anyone here old enough to remember the Cadillac Cimarron?



Also known as the "j-car" Chevy Cavalier & Buick Skyhawk. This was Cadillac's answer to the small sport sedans that Audi and BMW were offering in the early 80's. If the reports of power for the ATS coming from a 2.0 liter turbo D.I VVT 4-cylinder and the 3.6 liter D.I. VVT V-6 are correct, Audi and BMW will laugh as hard as they did back in 1982.
Err, what? You do realize that the 328i is a turbo-4 now, don't you? The A4 is a turbo-4.

Not sure what the point here is ...
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My mom had a Cimarron in the 80s to early 90s. My parents spent more on repairs and upkeep than the purchase price. That car was a roach. The ATS will allow Caddy to move the CTS more upmarket and really chase the 5er and E.

I doubt this will be the same half-assed attempt they put forth nearly 30 years ago. Also the Catera comes to mind...
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plus I dont think cadillac is going to make that mistake again....
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Originally Posted by Hapa DC5
Also the Catera comes to mind...
Sadly, with the Catera they based it on a good car and ruined it. The Opel Omega was a much better car than the Cadillac.
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Originally Posted by Mr Marco
Anyone here old enough to remember the Cadillac Cimarron?

Also known as the "j-car" Chevy Cavalier & Buick Skyhawk. This was Cadillac's answer to the small sport sedans that Audi and BMW were offering in the early 80's. If the reports of power for the ATS coming from a 2.0 liter turbo D.I VVT 4-cylinder and the 3.6 liter D.I. VVT V-6 are correct, Audi and BMW will laugh as hard as they did back in 1982.
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Err, what? You do realize that the 328i is a turbo-4 now, don't you? The A4 is a turbo-4.

Not sure what the point here is ...
Not only that, but one class up, the base A6 comes with a 2.0 turbo-4 bumping out a rather meager 211HP and the 528i is also powered by a 2.0 turbo-4 rated at 240HP.

I think the ATS will be just fine with 2.0 turbo-4 at around 270HP.

Also, the Buick Verano is getting praise for the quality of materials used for the interior; GM many a time has had nice designs, somewhat marred by so-so materials.

I would not be surprised if the quality of materials used in the ATS is better than the current CTS.

The ATS doesn't have to beat the 3 Series (which getting uglier and uglier) on winding roads, but if it's 95% as much fun as the BMW, with the right pricing, it should do very well.

The one to really watch out for will be the next gen CTS - I expect that to really cement Cadillac's comeback.
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2013 Cadillac ATS Challenges the Status Quo

• All-new, lightweight, rear-wheel-drive architecture with one of the lowest curb weights in the segment – less than 3,400 pounds (1,542 kg)
• Broad lineup of engines, including two four-cylinders and a V-6 for North America, capitalizes on lightweight structure for performance with efficiency
• Cadillac CUE, a comprehensive, in-vehicle experience that merges intuitive design with auto industry-first controls and commands for information and entertainment data

DETROIT – Cadillac today introduced the 2013 ATS, an all-new compact luxury sports sedan intended to challenge the world's best premium cars. Developed on an all-new, lightweight vehicle architecture, Cadillac's entry into the world's most significant luxury car segment goes on sale this summer.

The rear-drive ATS brings Cadillac's blend of technologically driven performance, elegance and design to a new audience of spirited drivers. Its sophisticated driving experience is enhanced with Cadillac CUE, a comprehensive, in-vehicle user experience that merges intuitive design with industry-first controls and commands for information and media data.

"Designed with quick, nimble and fun-to-drive dynamics, ATS expands Cadillac's portfolio into a crucial global segment," said Don Butler, vice president of marketing for Cadillac. "For a new group of luxury consumers, this is a car that will fit their lifestyle and challenge the segment's status quo."

The Cadillac ATS is a new expression of Cadillac's Art & Science execution philosophy, built on a foundation of driving dynamics and mass efficiency. It is the most agile and lightweight Cadillac, with one of the lowest curb weights in the segment – less than 3,400 pounds (1,542 kg).

Germany's famed Nürburgring served as one of the key testing grounds, along with additional roads, racetracks and laboratories around the globe, ATS engineers balanced performance with Cadillac's trademark refinement. Contributing components and features include:

Nearly 50/50 weight balance
Cadillac's first five-link independent rear suspension using lightweight, high-strength steel and efficient straight link designs
• A multi-link double-pivot MacPherson-strut front suspension with direct-acting stabilizer bar
• Driver-adjustable FE3 sport suspension with Magnetic Ride Control real-time damping
• Underbody aerodynamic shields
• Premium (belt driven) electric variable-effort steering gear from ZF Steering Systems
• Four-channel ABS with available Brembo performance brakes
• Available all-wheel drive

"More than just another new entry, the ATS aims to change the status quo of the European-dominated segment," said Butler. "That is why our approach in all elements of its development is so extensive and focused."

A broad lineup of engines – including two four-cylinders and a V-6 for North America – delivers strong power to the ATS and capitalizes on the car's lightweight structure to complement its performance with efficiency. The optional engines include an all-new 2.0L turbocharged four-cylinder rated at 270 horsepower (201 kW) and Cadillac's award-winning 3.6L V-6, estimated at 318 horsepower (237 kW).

At 135hp/L, the new 2.0T is one of the most power-dense engines in the industry, topping engines from European competitors. ATS will offer both manual and automatic transmission options, along with rear-wheel and all-wheel-drive configurations.

The ATS will deliver peak highway fuel economy of more than 30 mpg.


A spirit of lightness and balance

Making the ATS one of the segment's lightest cars was a fundamental criterion for and the guiding principle during its development, but it was done in a nuanced manner that ensures a refined driving experience.

"Low weight gives the ATS a more nimble and controllable feel, while also optimizing the performance and efficiency of the powertrains," said David Masch, ATS chief engineer. "But we were careful to manage the weight while maintaining Cadillac's signature levels of refinement."

Optimizing the ATS's mass was the result of a four-pronged philosophy that included strict adherence to original architectural goals, measured load management throughout the vehicle, benchmarking components to see if lighter solutions were available and an overall culture that "weighed" the mass of every component in the car against all aspects of its development.

An aluminum hood, magnesium engine mount brackets and even lightweight, natural-fiber door trim panels contribute to the ATS's low overall mass – and reflect the systematic approach of evaluating every gram that went into the car. But some weight was deemed not only beneficial, but essential to the ATS's driving experience. An example is the cast iron differential: Engineers found they could improve fuel economy with a cast iron differential rather than a lighter aluminum version.

And while the rear suspension is mostly steel, the focus on load management and straight links enabled significant weight savings without using alternate materials. This helps offset the weight of the engine and transmission at the front of the vehicle, helping the ATS deliver its near-perfect 50/50 weight balance, while also contributing to lower noise and vibration. A similar approach was taken on the wheels, where extra structural aluminum was strategically added to further reduce vibration.

"We approached development by counting all the grams in the ATS," said Masch. "We minimized them where we could and put them to the best use where they were needed."


Tailored design weaves in signature style and refinement

The 2013 Cadillac ATS interprets Cadillac's Art & Science design language in a new proportion, tailoring the signature styling and refinement cues for the most compact Cadillac while upholding – and advancing – the exemplary attention to detail and technological elements for which the brand is known.

A long, 109.3-inch (2,775 mm) wheelbase and wide front/rear tracks are the cornerstones of the ATS's firmly planted stance, which is enhanced by short overhangs and taut sheet metal that appears to wrap tightly around the tires. Seventeen-inch wheels are standard and 18-inch wheels are available.

Bold vertical lighting elements – including new LED front signature lighting detail – as well as illuminating door handles and active grille shutters lend technologically advanced style and function to the ATS. The grille shutters close at certain highway speeds to reduce aerodynamic drag and enhance fuel economy.

A driver-focused interior with integrated technology and crafted materials complements the exterior elements and supports the ATS's driving experience. Everything from the placement of the pedals to the position of the shifter is designed for effortless and intuitive performance driving. Available performance seats have power-adjustable bolsters to optimize lateral support during high-load cornering.

Contributing to the interior's intuitive feel is an instrument panel that wraps into the doors and a center stack in the mid-instrument panel that flows into the center console. LED lighting for the bold gauge cluster enables clear, at-a-glance viewing in all lighting conditions, while ambient lighting accents functional elements of the console and doors.

Real wood, plated metal plating and carbon fiber trim and Cadillac's cut-and-sew cut-and-sew instrument panel, console and doors enhance the emotional connection to the ATS. Choices of many interior color themes, each with unique accent trim material, cover a wide range of flavors – from light, open and warm to black and serious, to bold, technical and sporty.


CUE and ATS technologies

The ATS is offered with Cadillac CUE, a comprehensive, in-vehicle experience that merges intuitive design with auto industry-first controls and commands for information and entertainment data. It is designed to be unique for each consumer, from the "simple user" to the fully connected "super user."

CUE, which stands for Cadillac User Experience, pairs entertainment and information data from up to 10 Bluetooth-enabled mobile devices, USBs, SD cards and MP3 players with a vehicle infotainment system that reduces complexity through customized information, voice commands and fewer buttons and larger icons. For example, most of today's luxury cars have around 20 buttons controlling the radio and entertainment functions. CUE has only four.

The heart of CUE is the eight-inch LCD multi-touch sensitive screen, seamlessly integrated into the top of the central instrument panel and a motorized fully capacitive faceplate at the bottom concealing a 1.8L storage area. The vibrant LCD screen displays CUE's home page, which resembles a smart phone's screen by using large, easy-to-target icons to execute commands. Capacitive technology refers to using electrodes to sense the conductive properties of objects, such as a finger.


In addition to CUE, the ATS is offered with other technologies, including:

• Bluetooth phone connectivity with voice recognition
• USB, auxiliary and SD memory card ports
• SiriusXM Satellite Radio with three-month trial subscription
• Keyless access and keyless push-button start
• Reconfigurable 5.7-inch instrument panel cluster display
• Full-color reconfigurable heads-up display.


The ATS is offered as a well-equipped standard model and in Luxury, Performance and Premium Collections. A Bose® Cabin Surround audio system is offered on the standard model, as well as Luxury and Performance Collections. It is standard with the Premium Collection. A navigation system is also available with Luxury and Performance Collections and standard with the Premium Collection.


'Control and alert' safety strategy

Safety in the ATS is based on Cadillac's "control and alert" strategy that employs advanced technologies – including radar, cameras and ultrasonic sensors – to help prevent crashes.

The safety features bolster driver vision and awareness of road hazards, and intervenes to help the driver avert potential crashes. In some cases, Cadillac's advanced crash-avoidance systems will act without the driver, such as automatic braking, which will activate based on information indicating potential hazards.

Among the most sophisticated of the features is Front and Rear Automatic Brakes. This relies on short-range radar technology and ultrasonic sensors to help the driver prevent front and rear low-speed collisions via a progression of alerts that extend to complete braking, if necessary.


Optional advanced safety features include:

• Full Speed Range Adaptive Cruise Control
• Intelligent Brake Assist
• Forward Collision Alert
• Brake Pre-Fill Automatic Collision Preparation
• Lane Departure Warning
• Side Blind Zone Alert
• Rear Vision Camera With Dynamic Guidelines
• Adaptive Forward Lighting
• Hill Hold/Start Assist (Standard, manual transmission)

The advanced technology safety features complement the ATS's roster of other safety features, including eight standard air bags (10 with optional features), safety belt pretensioners and load limiters, StabiliTrak electronic stability control system with traction control and four-wheel disc brakes with four-channel ABS.

ATS also features OnStar standard for one year. It can use GPS and cellular phone technology to automatically call for help in the event of a crash. OnStar service also includes myCadillac and OnStar myLink mobile apps, which offer vehicle information, controls and OnStar services via the customer's iPhone or Android smart phone.


About Cadillac

Cadillac has been a leading luxury auto brand since 1902. In recent years, Cadillac has engineered a historic renaissance led by artful engineering and advanced technology. More information on Cadillac can be found at media.cadillac.com.

2013 CADILLAC ATS PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS


Overview

Model: Cadillac ATS Sedan
Body style / driveline: 4-door luxury sport luxury sedan, RWD/AWD
Construction: Unitized welded steel body with direct-mounted front cradle and rubber-isolated, multi-link independent rear suspension
EPA vehicle class: small car
Manufacturing location: Lansing Grand River Assembly, Lansing, Mich.


Engines

2.0L Turbo DI VVT 2.5L I-4 DI VVT 3.6L V-6 DI VVT
Displacement (cu in / cc): 122 / 1998 150 / 2457 217 / 3564
Bore & stroke (in / mm): 3.39 x 3.39 / 86 x 86 3.46 x 3.97 / 88 x 101 3.7 x 3.37 / 94 x 85.6
Block material: cast aluminum cast aluminum cast aluminum
Cylinder head material: cast aluminum cast aluminum cast aluminum
Valvetrain: DOHC, four-valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing DOHC, four valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing DOHC, four valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing
Fuel delivery: direct high-pressure fuel injection direct high-pressure fuel injection direct high-pressure fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.2:1 11.4:1 11.5:1
Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm): 270 / 201 @ 5300 (est) 200 / 149 @ 6200 (est) 318 / 237 @ 6800 (est - gas)
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm): 260 / 353 @ 2400 (est) 188 / 255 @ 4500 (est) 267 / 362 @ 4900 (est - gas)
Recommended fuel: premium recommended but not required regular unleaded regular unleaded or E85
Maximum engine speed (rpm): 6350 7000 7200
Estimated fuel economy: TBD TBD TBD


Transmissions

Tremec M3L TR3160 Hydra-Matic 6L45
Type: fully synchronized six-speed manual with single overdrive six-speed, electronically controlled, automatic overdrive with torque converter clutch
Gear ratios (:1):
First: 4.12 4.06
Second: 2.62 2.37
Third: 1.81 1.55
Fourth: 1.30 1.16
Fifth: 1.00 0.85
Sixth: 0.80 0.67
Reverse: 3.75 3.20
Final drive ratio: 3.27 3.27 (2.5L, 3.6L)
3.45 (2.0T)


Chassis / Suspension

Configuration: rear-wheel drive
Differential: open (FE2 suspension); mechanical limited-slip (FE3 suspension)
Front: MacPherson-type with dual lower ball joints and direct-acting stabilizer bar; Magnetic Ride Control (FE3)
Rear: independent five-link with monotube shock absorbers; Magnetic Ride Control (FE3)
Steering type: ZF rack-mounted electric, power-assisted and variable assist
Steering ratio: FE2: 16.8:1
FE3: 15.3:1
Steering turns, lock-to-lock: FE2: 3.16
FE3: 2.86
Turn circle (ft / m): FE2 RWD: 36.38 / 11.09
FE3 RWD: 35.99 / 10.97
FE2 AWD: 38.05 / 11.60
Chassis control: four-channel StabiliTrak w/ brake assist and traction control


Wheels and Tires

Wheel size and type: 17x8-inch aluminum (painted)
17x8-inch aluminum (polished)
18x8-inch aluminum (machined-face)
18x8-inch aluminum (polished)
Tire size: P225/45R17 90H all-season
P225/45R17 90V run-flat all-season
225/40R18 92V run-flat all-season
225/40R18 88W / 255/35R18 90W run-flat summer-only
225/35ZR19 88Y / 255/30ZR19 91Y run-flat all-season (LPO)


Brakes

Type: four-wheel disc with sliding calipers on base; four-channel ABS/TCS w/ DRP; Brembo brakes with fixed calipers on Luxury, Performance and Premium collections
Rotor type and thickness (in / mm): Standard front: 11.8 x 1.02 (300 x 26) vented, with Ferritic Nitro Carbunized process for corrosion resistance
Standard rear: 12.4 x 0.90 (315 x 23) vented, with Ferritic Nitro Carbunized process for corrosion resistance
Uplevel front: 12.6 x 1.18 (321 x 30) vented, with Ferritic Nitro Carbunized process for corrosion resistance
Uplevel rear: 12.4 x 0.90 (315 x 23) vented, with Ferritic Nitro Carbunized process for corrosion resistance


Dimensions

Exterior

Wheelbase (in / mm): 109.3 / 2775
Length (in / mm): 182.8 / 4643
Height (in / mm): 55.9 / 1421
Width (in / mm): 71.1 / 1805
Track (in / mm): front: 59.5 / 1512
rear: 60.9 / 1548
Curb weight (lb / kg): less than 3,400 / 1,542 (approx.)
Weight distribution (% front / rear): 51 / 49

Interior

Legroom (in / mm): front: 42.5 / 1079
rear: 33.5 / 851
Headroom (in / mm): front: 38.6 / 980
rear: 36.8 / 935
Shoulder room (in / mm): front: 55.2 / 1345
rear: 53.9 / 1370
Hip room (in / mm): front: 53.0 / 1345
rear: 52.3 / 1328

Capacities

Seating capacity (front / rear): 2 / 3
EPA passenger volume (cu ft / L): 90.9 / 2573
EPA trunk volume (cu ft / L): 10.2 / 290
Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg): 1000 / 454 (3.6L)
Fuel tank (gal / L): 16 / 60.5
Engine oil (qt / L): TBD
Cooling system (qt / L): 8.1 / 7.7 (2.0T)
7.1 / 6.7 (2.5L)
11 / 10.4 (3.6L)

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Autoblog is saying that GM's North American President, Mark Reuss, said there's also a diesel engine being made for the ATS.
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I'm 50/50 on the exterior...several questionable things for me, but the specs of the car are pretty damn good.
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I'm on the fence about the exterior as well.

However, the prospect of an ATS-V.....
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This car looks nice and i definitely love the interior color choices they have for the ats kudos to cadillac, like everybody else I'm waiting to see what they have in store for the ats-v.

This could very well be my next car unless Acura comes out with a better looking car :::cough::: TL
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this looks really good from the front. the rear is kinda boring. but not ugly.
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Originally Posted by phile
this looks really good from the front. the rear is kinda boring. but not ugly.
i just noticed the rear end has that acura tl beak

btw is that the reverse light in between the exhaust?
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The exterior design needs to be more aggressive looking.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The exterior design needs to be more aggressive looking.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Cadillac offer a V series type appearance package on the CTS? If so, they'd probably do the same for the ATS.
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Dunno of there is gonna be a "V" ATS
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You never know. One can only hope. Wouldn't be hard to stuff an LS-series V8 in one, judging by how long the hood is in proportion to the rest of the car. Plus it's not like small block OHV V8s take up much room to begin with
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^^ Good gravy!!!! As nice as that sounds, in today's day and age, I don't think that will ever happen.
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^^ Good gravy!!!! As nice as that sounds, in today's day and age, I don't think that will ever happen.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-ats-sedan.html (credit to pttl in post 64)

A leaked spec sheet proven to be accurate for 2 of 3 engines claim a 6.2L V8 with 470HP.


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Originally Posted by NightHawk CL9
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-ats-sedan.html (credit to pttl in post 64)

A leaked spec sheet proven to be accurate for 2 of 3 engines claim a 6.2L V8 with 470HP.

maybe not being able to buy a car right away will work out for me...
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I took part in one of the research studies for the ATS and it's awesome to see they kept it mostly intact. The prototype we reviewed had a larger grille, but other than that, this is basically spot-on. It looks much better in person, these pics don't do it justice. It's lower and sleeker than what you see in the angled photos.

The interior is beautiful and has an iPhone like info pod. As a former 3-series owner, I was going in skeptical but was very impressed with what I saw. I think 3/A4/C buyers will like this car (let alone TSX and probably TL buyers).
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Originally Posted by NightHawk CL9
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-ats-sedan.html (credit to pttl in post 64)

A leaked spec sheet proven to be accurate for 2 of 3 engines claim a 6.2L V8 with 470HP.

Color be impressed if they do throw a V8 in there!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by NightHawk CL9
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-ats-sedan.html (credit to pttl in post 64)

A leaked spec sheet proven to be accurate for 2 of 3 engines claim a 6.2L V8 with 470HP.

The spec sheet still says 330 hp for the 3.6. That should provide some mighty good motivation to a 3400 pound car. 470 on the V? ....

If it handles like a 3 series...I'm all in!

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I would love to see interior shots, Cadillac.
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Originally Posted by phile
this looks really good from the front. the rear is kinda boring. but not ugly.
Not a groundbreaking design in any way, but they fixed the worst part of the CTS which is the blocky/wedge front; the greenhouse is also shaped better despite being a smaller vehicle.

Agreed that the rear of the Cadillacs needs to be reworked.


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The exterior design needs to be more aggressive looking.
I think they are saving that for the ATS-V.

Overall, a pleasant design (like it better than the 3er w/ the new ugly front) and if Cadillac prices it right, should do very well for them (the ATS w/ the base engine may be priced close to the $30k mark).

Cadillac is on its way back, but I think the next gen CTS will be the one that really surprised people.
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This car was very impressive. What has me intrigued even more is the prospect of not just a sedan, but a suite of cars, especially a wagon.

Especially given that it'll probably have a price advantage compared with the 3-Series, it should be an extremely compelling package.
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Originally Posted by jchan2
This car was very impressive. What has me intrigued even more is the prospect of not just a sedan, but a suite of cars, especially a wagon.

Especially given that it'll probably have a price advantage compared with the 3-Series, it should be an extremely compelling package.
Yes - for me, the coupe will be my car of choice. RWD 330 hp in a 3400 pound car...OR 470 HP in the same size car.... 3 series. Plus as you said the price advantage should go to Caddy. i would think by thousands.
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I wasn't a fan of Caddy before, but the V-series Performance Lab (a driving event by Caddy) last month changed my views on some Caddies. This new ATS looks pretty nice, and the powertrain offerings are quite impressive on paper. I can't wait to see what the ATS-V has to offer.
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Originally Posted by NightHawk CL9
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-ats-sedan.html (credit to pttl in post 64)

A leaked spec sheet proven to be accurate for 2 of 3 engines claim a 6.2L V8 with 470HP.

I remember seeing that before... credit to pttl, but yeah I'm still wondering how GM is pulling that 6.2, 470HP V8 out of their ass, if true. Direct injection added to an LS3?

Also, GM was supposedly going to downsize their V8s, we're talking ~5.5L with or without forced induction.... all speculation at this point, of course.
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I remember seeing that before... credit to pttl, but yeah I'm still wondering how GM is pulling that 6.2, 470HP V8 out of their ass, if true. Direct injection added to an LS3?

Also, GM was supposedly going to downsize their V8s, we're talking ~5.5L with or without forced induction.... all speculation at this point, of course.
Same engine as the CTS-V with a low-pressure turbo?
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Same engine as the CTS-V with a low-pressure turbo?
Doesn't put out enough torque (438 lb/ft vs. 470 hp) to be a forced-induction powerplant

And only a gain of 40 horsepower with a turbo? You could probably gain that much just by opening up the intake and exhaust on an LS3.... an intentionally restricted engine.
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I hope this car looks better in person. I wanna like it soo bad. Hopefully with sport kit or something.
The diesel should be 335d sporty (wishful thinking)
And since this is a lighter, smaller car an NA V8 would be tits and it could be a replacement for my M3!!
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while im at it....
make it sit a little lower and spread out the exhaust a little in the back. it should look sporty
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i am so tired of cadillac's rear..
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agreed,
they need to evolve the rear end


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