Buick: Verano News
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Buick: Verano News
General Motors has announced pricing for the upcoming 2012 Buick Verano, and the compact luxury sedan looks set to bang heads with the segment's best. Starting at $23,470 (which includes the $885 destination charge), the base model 2012 Verano is priced to undercut similar offerings from Japan. The Acura TSX, for example, starts out at $30,495, while the Lexus IS 250 will cost you $34,170.
3 trims will be offered on the 2012 Verano, with the top tier set to start at $26,850. All 3 versions will be powered by a 2.4-liter 4-cylinder engine, which is rated at 180 horsepower and 171 pound-feet of torque. The standard features list is filled with items such as 18-inch forged alloy wheels, a 7-inch LED touchscreen in the center stack, the Buick IntelliLink system and a host of other products designed to make your commute an enjoyable experience.
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This is not in the same segment as the TSX/IS -it's a Cruze/Opel Astra derivative and an entry level sedan below the Regal. I can't quite tell what segment this model will be going after. Like the rest of the Opel derivatives it should be a competent offering.
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Buick Cimarron?
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doesn't look like a bad car though.
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i know it's cheap luxury, but 180hp?
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"Asian Luxury" Competitor
The 2012 Buick Verano compact sedan is to start at $23,470, including shipping, well below Asian compacts with which the Buick brand aspires to compete.
The Verano tops out at $29,490, less than the $34,470 suggested starting price of the 2012 Lexus IS 250 and the $30,495 of the 2011 Acura TSX.
General Motors is carving out a position for a lower-end luxury brand, targeting Buick at more practical, less flashy luxury buyers than those attracted to its Cadillac brand. In general, the brand’s leaders have said, that would position the brand in competition with Asian luxury car brands.
Buick was the fastest-growing volume brand in the U.S. last year, up 52%. It has grown 25% so far this year, gaining share partially off sliding sales from Japanese automakers hurt by their country’s March earthquake and tsunami. The brand is in the midst of growing its lineup by several new models, including last year’s addition of the Buick Regal sedan.
The Verano, Buick’s 1st small car in about 20 years, is priced and sized to appeal to about half of American buyers, General Motors CEO Dan Akerson said earlier this year.
GM plans to have the car in dealerships by the end of the year. Orion Township workers will build the car, which is Buick’s version of the hot-selling Chevrolet Cruze. The 2012 Cruze starts at $17,470.
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How much is this thing going to weigh? I assume it's going to compete against the IS250/TSX, even though that's what the Regal is supposed to be doing.
Doesn't matter what kind of engine they put in it, if it's a relative porker like the Regal is.....
Doesn't matter what kind of engine they put in it, if it's a relative porker like the Regal is.....
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Not bad, I like the nose of the car. Everything behind it looks like every other car though...
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It's supposed to be 400lbs lighter than the Regal.
This Buick midluxury compact sedan has few competitors. The similarly sized Volvo S40, at $27,750, and Audi A3 at $27,270, cost about $4,000 more. A well-equipped 2012 Volkswagen Jetta GLI Autobahn — which has similar gas mileage and content to the base Verano — starts at $25,545. A similarly equipped Chevrolet Cruze LTZ sedan, which is the Verano's sibling vehicle, comes in at $23,420.
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All this will do is steal sales from the Regal
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Looks like GM badge engineering all over again.
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^ That was a pretty bad example of badge engineering IMO, especially the CSX.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communit...rano-excelle/1
Watch the Buick Verano carefully. The upscale compact car will say a lot about whether General Motors' global strategy works. It's a glimpse of GM's plan for two key brands on three continents.
In assembly plants from metro Detroit to China and Europe, thousands of jobs hinge on the car's success. With substantial tweaks for each region, the car is the Buick Verano in North America, Buick Excelle in China and Opel Astra in Europe.
The Verano rolls into U.S. Buick dealerships starting in December.
GM has been reinventing Buick for what feels like decades, but it may have finally hit on a formula that works: a quiet, upscale interior and exterior looks and performance that have high-end appeal without Cadillac's in-your-face brashness.
Until now, we had only two examples to define Buick's new passenger-car line: the LaCrosse and Regal. They're fine vehicles, but lousy data points. The two sedans are too close in size and price to reveal much about Buick's plan.
With the Verano as Buick's third car, we can begin to triangulate and understand the brand's aspirations and appeal.
The Verano will come with standard features like a sophisticated new system that combines a touch screen with voice-recognition control of phone, audio and navigation systems. There's also a heavy emphasis on what you might call subliminal comfort features: unobtrusive, even unnoticeable features that make the Verano a pleasant place to spend your time.
Keeping the interior quiet is Job 1, 2 and 3 at Buick. A quiet ride contributes disproportionately to drivers' perception of a car's quality and value. The Verano's windshield and front-side windows use extra-thick glass that is laminated to shut out noise.
The rear windows also use thicker glass. Automakers frequently ignore the rear windows because they don't affect the driver. Thanks to its experience in China, where its larger cars are frequently chauffeur driven, Buick put a greater emphasis on passenger comfort.
The Verano has upscale touches its Chinese cousin, the Excelle, doesn't offer. Don't be surprised if they make it into the Excelle's next update, though. Building and selling a vehicle around the world provides opportunities to constantly share improvements from one region to another.
Sound insulation, from thicker windows to underbody aero panels and padding between the engine and the passenger compartment, adds weight. That reduced fuel economy, but Buick willingly made the trade-off to ensure the Verano feels and sounds like a classy, high-end car.
It could afford to do that because the Verano's key competitors -- the Audi A3 and Volvo C30 -- are old and not particularly fuel efficient. The Verano's expected EPA rating of 31 m.p.g. on the highway beats their comparably equipped models.
Buick undoubtedly has tricks up its sleeve to wring a couple more m.p.g. out of the Verano's 2.4-liter engine and six-speed automatic transmission, but highway fuel economy in the low-30s from a front-wheel drive compact won't turn any heads.
A couple of technologies Buick's overseas allies already use may, however. The Verano could offer either the eAssist electric boost system Buick uses in the Regal and LaCrosse in China -- and soon here -- or a fuel-efficient Opel diesel. Either alternative should push the Verano over 40 m.p.g.
In the meantime, Buick will give the Verano performance appeal with a high-output 2.0-liter turbocharged engine next year.
A sporty model styled like the dynamic new Opel Astra GTC could also be in the works to liven things up as Buick reaches around the world to craft a modern new identity.
In assembly plants from metro Detroit to China and Europe, thousands of jobs hinge on the car's success. With substantial tweaks for each region, the car is the Buick Verano in North America, Buick Excelle in China and Opel Astra in Europe.
The Verano rolls into U.S. Buick dealerships starting in December.
GM has been reinventing Buick for what feels like decades, but it may have finally hit on a formula that works: a quiet, upscale interior and exterior looks and performance that have high-end appeal without Cadillac's in-your-face brashness.
Until now, we had only two examples to define Buick's new passenger-car line: the LaCrosse and Regal. They're fine vehicles, but lousy data points. The two sedans are too close in size and price to reveal much about Buick's plan.
With the Verano as Buick's third car, we can begin to triangulate and understand the brand's aspirations and appeal.
The Verano will come with standard features like a sophisticated new system that combines a touch screen with voice-recognition control of phone, audio and navigation systems. There's also a heavy emphasis on what you might call subliminal comfort features: unobtrusive, even unnoticeable features that make the Verano a pleasant place to spend your time.
Keeping the interior quiet is Job 1, 2 and 3 at Buick. A quiet ride contributes disproportionately to drivers' perception of a car's quality and value. The Verano's windshield and front-side windows use extra-thick glass that is laminated to shut out noise.
The rear windows also use thicker glass. Automakers frequently ignore the rear windows because they don't affect the driver. Thanks to its experience in China, where its larger cars are frequently chauffeur driven, Buick put a greater emphasis on passenger comfort.
The Verano has upscale touches its Chinese cousin, the Excelle, doesn't offer. Don't be surprised if they make it into the Excelle's next update, though. Building and selling a vehicle around the world provides opportunities to constantly share improvements from one region to another.
Sound insulation, from thicker windows to underbody aero panels and padding between the engine and the passenger compartment, adds weight. That reduced fuel economy, but Buick willingly made the trade-off to ensure the Verano feels and sounds like a classy, high-end car.
It could afford to do that because the Verano's key competitors -- the Audi A3 and Volvo C30 -- are old and not particularly fuel efficient. The Verano's expected EPA rating of 31 m.p.g. on the highway beats their comparably equipped models.
Buick undoubtedly has tricks up its sleeve to wring a couple more m.p.g. out of the Verano's 2.4-liter engine and six-speed automatic transmission, but highway fuel economy in the low-30s from a front-wheel drive compact won't turn any heads.
A couple of technologies Buick's overseas allies already use may, however. The Verano could offer either the eAssist electric boost system Buick uses in the Regal and LaCrosse in China -- and soon here -- or a fuel-efficient Opel diesel. Either alternative should push the Verano over 40 m.p.g.
In the meantime, Buick will give the Verano performance appeal with a high-output 2.0-liter turbocharged engine next year.
A sporty model styled like the dynamic new Opel Astra GTC could also be in the works to liven things up as Buick reaches around the world to craft a modern new identity.
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I was really surprised by the review ... I expected it to be a good car with a crap engine. They didn't really hate the powerplant.
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wow the reviews for this car is pretty good actually.
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If the Regal is a TSX competitor, the Verano must be a ILX competitor. And this turbo Verano looks like it will kill the ILX.
2013 Buick Verano Turbo Debuts with 250 Horsepower
Award-winning engine at the heart of luxury sedan's effortless performance
DETROIT – Buick today announced the 2013 Verano Turbo luxury sedan will be powered by an Ecotec 2.0L turbocharged engine with direct injection and continuously variable valve timing that produces an SAE-certified 250 horsepower (187 kW) at 5300 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. (353 Nm) of torque at 2000 rpm. Acceleration from 0-60 mph is an estimated 6.2 seconds.
The Verano Turbo goes on sale later this year.
More than 90 percent of the Verano Turbo's peak torque – more than 234 lb.-ft. – is available between 1700 to 5500 rpm. Its closest competitor, the 2013 Acura ILX 2.4L, offers a peak of 170 lb.-ft. of torque.
"The 2.0L turbo engine was designed for refinement, higher output capabilities and reduced noise," said Amy Joss, Ecotec 2.0L assistant chief engineer. "The way it sounds, the power delivery and the refined character are all fitting of a luxury sedan with a fun side."
In December, Buick's 2.0L turbocharged Ecotec engine was named one of WardsAuto World's 2012 10Best Engines for North America. At the time, the publication's editor-in-chief, Drew Winter, said: "This engine delivers a level of power and sophistication that redefines Buick."
The choice to use a small-displacement turbocharged engine for a more powerful Verano model is consistent with Buick's effort to downsize its powertrains without sacrificing performance. Verano and the Regal luxury sport sedan are available exclusively with four-cylinder engines, while the LaCrosse luxury sedan comes standard with a four-cylinder engine paired with eAssist technology, which uses an electric motor and battery to boost both performance and fuel economy. The standard 2013 Regal four-cylinder engine also is equipped with eAssist.
"Buick's engine strategy continues to be driven by intelligent performance," said Tony DiSalle, vice president of Buick Marketing. "Four-cylinder engines, turbocharging and eAssist are all the right solutions for today's market. With these advanced technologies, Buicks are more efficient without sacrificing their smooth, quiet character."
According to IHS Automotive, use of four-cylinder engines in North American vehicles will grow 74 percent from 6.9 million to 12.2 million units over the next 10 years.
The Verano Turbo will be available with a choice of a six-speed automatic transmission or a six-speed manual gearbox. Including Regal Turbo and Regal GS, the Buick brand offers more manual transmissions than Ferrari and Lamborghini combined.
Acceleration performance is expected to be consistent between the two transmissions.
Fuel economy numbers are not final, but the Verano Turbo is expected to be in line with Buick's other turbocharged models. Pricing will be announced closer to the start of production in late 2012.
Award-winning engine at the heart of luxury sedan's effortless performance
DETROIT – Buick today announced the 2013 Verano Turbo luxury sedan will be powered by an Ecotec 2.0L turbocharged engine with direct injection and continuously variable valve timing that produces an SAE-certified 250 horsepower (187 kW) at 5300 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. (353 Nm) of torque at 2000 rpm. Acceleration from 0-60 mph is an estimated 6.2 seconds.
The Verano Turbo goes on sale later this year.
More than 90 percent of the Verano Turbo's peak torque – more than 234 lb.-ft. – is available between 1700 to 5500 rpm. Its closest competitor, the 2013 Acura ILX 2.4L, offers a peak of 170 lb.-ft. of torque.
"The 2.0L turbo engine was designed for refinement, higher output capabilities and reduced noise," said Amy Joss, Ecotec 2.0L assistant chief engineer. "The way it sounds, the power delivery and the refined character are all fitting of a luxury sedan with a fun side."
In December, Buick's 2.0L turbocharged Ecotec engine was named one of WardsAuto World's 2012 10Best Engines for North America. At the time, the publication's editor-in-chief, Drew Winter, said: "This engine delivers a level of power and sophistication that redefines Buick."
The choice to use a small-displacement turbocharged engine for a more powerful Verano model is consistent with Buick's effort to downsize its powertrains without sacrificing performance. Verano and the Regal luxury sport sedan are available exclusively with four-cylinder engines, while the LaCrosse luxury sedan comes standard with a four-cylinder engine paired with eAssist technology, which uses an electric motor and battery to boost both performance and fuel economy. The standard 2013 Regal four-cylinder engine also is equipped with eAssist.
"Buick's engine strategy continues to be driven by intelligent performance," said Tony DiSalle, vice president of Buick Marketing. "Four-cylinder engines, turbocharging and eAssist are all the right solutions for today's market. With these advanced technologies, Buicks are more efficient without sacrificing their smooth, quiet character."
According to IHS Automotive, use of four-cylinder engines in North American vehicles will grow 74 percent from 6.9 million to 12.2 million units over the next 10 years.
The Verano Turbo will be available with a choice of a six-speed automatic transmission or a six-speed manual gearbox. Including Regal Turbo and Regal GS, the Buick brand offers more manual transmissions than Ferrari and Lamborghini combined.
Acceleration performance is expected to be consistent between the two transmissions.
Fuel economy numbers are not final, but the Verano Turbo is expected to be in line with Buick's other turbocharged models. Pricing will be announced closer to the start of production in late 2012.
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If the Verano Turbo performs similarly to the Regal GS, then I'm not sure if it will "kill the ILX 2.4...lol..
Regal GS Turbo 6MT (from C/D):
Power: 270hp
Torque: 295lbft
Weight: 3732lb
0-60: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 15s@97mph
(Motortrend gets 0-60mph in 6.3s, 1/4 mile in 14.9s@96mph)
2002 TL Type S 5AT:
Power: 260hp (~245hp under new SAE)
Torque: 232lbft (~220 under new SAE)
Weight: 3500lb
0-60mph: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 14.8@96mph
If the same applies to the Verano turbo, then it will be a relatively slow 250hp, 3400lb car. It's perhaps faster than the ILX 2.4 by a few tenths of a second, but as some people said, do those few tenths of a second really matter? How about shift quality? I'd also like to know if the 2.4 model will get ED, and if so, will there be any improvement?
Regal GS Turbo 6MT (from C/D):
Power: 270hp
Torque: 295lbft
Weight: 3732lb
0-60: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 15s@97mph
(Motortrend gets 0-60mph in 6.3s, 1/4 mile in 14.9s@96mph)
2002 TL Type S 5AT:
Power: 260hp (~245hp under new SAE)
Torque: 232lbft (~220 under new SAE)
Weight: 3500lb
0-60mph: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 14.8@96mph
If the same applies to the Verano turbo, then it will be a relatively slow 250hp, 3400lb car. It's perhaps faster than the ILX 2.4 by a few tenths of a second, but as some people said, do those few tenths of a second really matter? How about shift quality? I'd also like to know if the 2.4 model will get ED, and if so, will there be any improvement?
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if they price it right (basically at where the ILX is ~26K), this will force Acura to rethink their "gen Y don't care about power" BS
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I can see the Verano Turbo starting at $26k, but to get it as well equipped as the ILX 2.4, then the price is closer to the $30k mark. It's the same situation with the regular Verano, where it starts at a lower price point, but to get it as well equipped as the base ILX, the price is on par with the ILX.
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If the Verano Turbo performs similarly to the Regal GS, then I'm not sure if it will "kill the ILX 2.4...lol..
Regal GS Turbo 6MT (from C/D):
Power: 270hp
Torque: 295lbft
Weight: 3732lb
0-60: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 15s@97mph
(Motortrend gets 0-60mph in 6.3s, 1/4 mile in 14.9s@96mph)
2002 TL Type S 5AT:
Power: 260hp (~245hp under new SAE)
Torque: 232lbft (~220 under new SAE)
Weight: 3500lb
0-60mph: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 14.8@96mph
If the same applies to the Verano turbo, then it will be a relatively slow 250hp, 3400lb car. It's perhaps faster than the ILX 2.4 by a few tenths of a second, but as some people said, do those few tenths of a second really matter? How about shift quality? I'd also like to know if the 2.4 model will get ED, and if so, will there be any improvement?
Regal GS Turbo 6MT (from C/D):
Power: 270hp
Torque: 295lbft
Weight: 3732lb
0-60: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 15s@97mph
(Motortrend gets 0-60mph in 6.3s, 1/4 mile in 14.9s@96mph)
2002 TL Type S 5AT:
Power: 260hp (~245hp under new SAE)
Torque: 232lbft (~220 under new SAE)
Weight: 3500lb
0-60mph: 6.2s
1/4 mile: 14.8@96mph
If the same applies to the Verano turbo, then it will be a relatively slow 250hp, 3400lb car. It's perhaps faster than the ILX 2.4 by a few tenths of a second, but as some people said, do those few tenths of a second really matter? How about shift quality? I'd also like to know if the 2.4 model will get ED, and if so, will there be any improvement?
Acura ILX (similar #s from Inside Line and Car and Driver)
Power: 201 hp
Torque: 170 lb-ft
Weight: 2,954 lb
0-60: 6.8s
1/4 mile: 15.3s @ 91.6
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Has anyone else driven the Verano? I had some extensive time in one several months back and was actually very impressed. GM clearly benchmarked the TSX.
The 2.4L Ecotec accelerates very smooth and linear; very similar to the TSX's 2.4L. I had the occasion of driving a G25, A4, TSX, and IS250 with the Verano and the Verano and TSX were my favorites.
I was skeptical going in thinking GM polished up a Cruze and slapped a Buick logo on it. Not so much. I was shocked, GM is bringing it. This Verano Turbo can only add value to the brand.
The 2.4L Ecotec accelerates very smooth and linear; very similar to the TSX's 2.4L. I had the occasion of driving a G25, A4, TSX, and IS250 with the Verano and the Verano and TSX were my favorites.
I was skeptical going in thinking GM polished up a Cruze and slapped a Buick logo on it. Not so much. I was shocked, GM is bringing it. This Verano Turbo can only add value to the brand.
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On the other hand, here are some numbers of the Civic Si Sedan (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-test-review):
Power: 201 hp
Torque: 170 lb-ft
Weight: 2,902 lb
0-60: 6.1s
1/4 mile: 14.7s @ 97mph
The ILX 2.4 is roughly 50lb heavier than the Civic Si sedan, so weight is probably not much of a factor. The real difference will most likely come from inferior tires and no LSD. With that said, the trap speed - a true measure of speed - should be right up there with the Si.
Talking about the LSD, it seems like the Verano Turbo does not come with LSD either.....people are already bi*ching so much about the ILX 2.4 for the lack of LSD even though it only has 170lbft of torque.....just imagine channelling 260lbft of torque to the front wheels with turbo lag.....it better comes with Hiper struts like the Regal!!
I also wonder if the Verano Turbo will continue using torsion beam rear suspension.
Verano's base car, opel astra, already has a rigid chassis and fine suspension tuning. GM went further with the Verano by adding laminated windscreen and side glass, triple-door seals, acoustic headliners, underbody sealing and lots of sound deadening materials to insulate various noise sources from the cabin. This is why the car is so heavy.
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Talking about the LSD, it seems like the Verano Turbo does not come with LSD either.....people are already bi*ching so much about the ILX 2.4 for the lack of LSD even though it only has 170lbft of torque.....just imagine channelling 260lbft of torque to the front wheels with turbo lag.....it better comes with Hiper struts like the Regal!!
I also wonder if the Verano Turbo will continue using torsion beam rear suspension.
Verano's base car, opel astra, already has a rigid chassis and fine suspension tuning. GM went further with the Verano by adding laminated windscreen and side glass, triple-door seals, acoustic headliners, underbody sealing and lots of sound deadening materials to insulate various noise sources from the cabin. This is why the car is so heavy.
I also wonder if the Verano Turbo will continue using torsion beam rear suspension.
Verano's base car, opel astra, already has a rigid chassis and fine suspension tuning. GM went further with the Verano by adding laminated windscreen and side glass, triple-door seals, acoustic headliners, underbody sealing and lots of sound deadening materials to insulate various noise sources from the cabin. This is why the car is so heavy.
The signature waterfall grille was entirely fake. It served no functional purpose for getting air into the engine bay, ditto with the little portholes on the fenders. Totally fake. And then there's the rear suspension. Yes it has some "new" technology called the "Z-link" but it seems to be a relatively simple torsion bar with a Watts linkage. On the plus side, this provides more trunk space (as with the Honda Fit) but you have to remember that the 15 ft.³ of trunk space is only with out the spare tire. It's going to be a little less if you purchase the optional spare tire kit.
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