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You already listed a “wave of EVs” sometime ago which were supposedly going to crush the Teslas. What happened…. The competition came and went, right…? (You don’t want me to dig up those posts right…?)
Why it should be different this time….? LOL.
Germany-based Volkswagen Group has risen from the ashes of its 2015 emissions scandal to become the EV market leader in Europe, where the company reported that it had 26% market share in the first half of 2021. While Tesla’s Model 3 has been selling well in the region, Volkswagen’s local manufacturing, brand familiarity and cheaper price points have helped give it an edge over Tesla.
In the rapidly growing EV market, analysts say the Volkswagen Group benefits from its wide array of brands, which includes luxury marques like Audi, Bentley and Porsche. VW’s most popular EV in Europe is the more affordable ID.3, a hatchback that starts at around $40,000. And in September 2020, Volkswagen released the ID.4, an SUV aimed at the global market that has since become Volkswagen’s top-selling EV overall.
However, Volkswagen still lags behind Tesla globally. Tesla delivered more than 627,000 EVs in the first three quarters of 2021, while Volkswagen sold about 293,000 cars. But Volkswagen, along with other traditional automakers and EV startups, plans to release an abundance of new all-electric models in the next decade.
Tesla's overall EV market share in the United States — the portion of the EV market that it commands — is shrinking; but its share of the luxury segment is growing, according to research firm Experian.
The Silicon Valley automaker's share of the overall U.S. EV market fell from 79.5% through the second quarter of 2020 to 66.3% for the same period in 2021, according to Experian's Automotive Market Trends Review: Q2 2021 report.
Americans are buying Teslas, not EVs, but experts say that’s about to change
Oct 26 2021
Americans aren’t buying electric vehicles, they’re buying Teslas.
That’s been a relatively true statement for U.S. consumers in recent years, with Tesla accounting for the majority of EVs sold, including 79% in 2020, according to IHS Markit. But that’s starting to change as so-called traditional automakers and start-ups invest billions in a slew of new electric vehicles to compete against Tesla.
Tesla’s market share of all-electric vehicles this year is already expected to drop to 56% in 2021, as new vehicles such as the Ford Mustang Mach-E and Volkswagen ID.4 have been introduced, IHS Markit said.
The research and forecasting company expects Tesla’s U.S. market share of all-electric vehicles to be 20% in 2025, which also is when LMC Automotive expects General Motors to surpass Tesla as the country’s largest EV seller.
Is going from 79% U.S. market share in 2020 to 20% in 2025 crushing?
Is going from 79% U.S. market share in 2020 to 20% in 2025 crushing?
That was a hoot to read. You can look and cook data anyway you want to. Tesla doesn’t produce or ship enough to Europe since they don’t have any. That’s not market share issue, and that’ll change overnight when Giga Berlin gets the green light (only paperwork remains). You can already see that even with all the handicaps, Tesla passed VW in Norway.
BTW most of the VWs cost much less than Tesla and even then they’re preferred much less than Teslas.
As its 50th anniversary celebrations continue, BMW M GmbH unleashes high performance in a form never experienced before. Innovative drive system technology, a unique vehicle concept, a door opened into a whole new market segment and the ambition to attract new groups of customers - the first-ever BMW XM wraps all these elements in a confidently dramatic exterior design that exudes power and emotion and an interior that is at once intensely driver-focused, boldly modern, and indulgently sybaritic.
Powertrain - The first plug-in hybrid drive system from BMW M
The all-new BMW XM is fitted with a newly developed plug-in hybrid drivetrain. The M HYBRID system in the BMW XM consists of a new 483-hp V8 engine with M TwinPower Turbo technology and a 194-hp electric motor integrated into the eight-speed M Steptronic transmission. Together, they generate a maximum system output of 644 hp at 5,400 RPM and 590 ft-lbs of torque between 1,600 and 5,000 RPM.
Power is channeled to the road via the M xDrive all-wheel-drive system. The combination of an electric motor and eight-cylinder engine produces immense, instantaneously available power sustained throughout the rev range. The M HYBRID system also enables purely electric driving with an anticipated range of 30 miles (estimated range of up to 30 miles according to preliminary BMW AG tests based on the EPA's test procedure standards).
The BMW XM shares its drive concept of an eight-cylinder combustion engine supported by an electric motor with the newly developed endurance racing car from BMW M Motorsport. The BMW M Hybrid V8 will go racing in the IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship in North America in 2023 at venues including Daytona. The following season, it will power BMW M Motorsport's return to the FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC) and the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
The extensively updated, 4.4-liter engine utilizes the thermodynamic benefits of a cross-bank exhaust manifold. A reinforced crankshaft drive, further developed turbocharging - mounted close to the exhaust manifold and with an electrically controlled blow-off valve - plus a new vane-type oil pump and a weight-minimized plastic oil sump all play a role in increasing the engine's efficiency. An optimized oil separation process with variable impactor enhances the engine's emissions performance.
The VALVETRONIC fully variable valve control now includes a switchable rocker arm on the exhaust side, which allows the engines exhaust valves to be shut entirely. This way, when the driver releases the accelerator, a higher proportion of the braking energy can be fed into the high-voltage battery by means of recuperation.
BMW GEN5 electric motor
The V8 engine in the BMW XM is supported by an electric motor which, like the plug-in hybrid system's power electronics and high-voltage battery, is a product of fifth-generation BMW eDrive technology. The permanently excited synchronous motor is integrated into the eight-speed M Steptronic transmission and helps to provide quick throttle response.
The electric motor contributes up to 194 hp to the maximum system output of 644 hp. The maximum system torque produced by the combination of electric motor and combustion engine is 590 lb-ft. A pre-gearing stage is used to increase the maximum torque produced by the electric motor to 332 lb-ft at the transmission input. This innovation enables the electric motor integrated into the transmission housing to generate substantial levels of power that could normally only be achieved using a far larger unit. Developed by BMW, the extra gearing stage between the electric motor's rotor and the transmission's input shaft gives a boost to the M HYBRID system's torque delivery. This torque is instantly on tap when pulling away and makes a clear difference both when accelerating off the line and passing at speed on the highway.
Aided by the grip of M xDrive and a sophisticated launch control system, the BMW XM accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in just 4.1 seconds. Top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph, or 168 mph if the optional M Driver's Package is specified. The top speed in pure electric mode is 87 mph.
BMW XM Label Red
Following the launch of the BMW XM in the first quarter of 2023, BMW M will reveal a special model in the BMW XM line-up: the BMW XM Label Red. The BMW XM Label Red will be the first in a series of BMW XM Label models, and available for a limited period of time. This special model will feature over 735 bhp and 735 lb-ft of torque, unique paint, wheel, upholstery, and trim selections, and an MSRP starting over $185,000. Production of the BMW XM Label Red is expected to begin in the Summer of 2023. Details on how to order the BMW XM Label Red will be available at a later date.
Power electronics
The coordination of the combustion engine and electric motor is handled by the M HYBRID system's power electronics. Intelligent energy management allows the battery's charge level to be regulated so that the final stretch of a longer journey through a built-up area can be covered using only electric power, for example.
The HV battery's low installation height allows it to be mounted in the underbody of the BMW XM. The lithium-ion battery offers high energy density at a cell and battery pack level. It provides a constant flow of power across a wide temperature range and under the heavy loads of performance driving. It has a net usable energy content of 25.7 kWh (29.5 kWh gross).
Charging with predictive heat management
The Combined Charging Unit of the M HYBRID system enables AC charging at up to 7.4 kW. This means the high-voltage battery can be replenished from zero to 100 percent charge in 3.25 hours. The Combined Charging Unit also acts as a voltage transformer to supply the 12V electrical system. Predictive heat management reduces charging times by warming or cooling the battery as needed. The system uses data on the outside temperature, predicted charging power, charge stroke between the current actual value and the target value, the car's remaining range and the distance to the destination to calculate the target temperature at which the high-voltage battery can be charged at maximum power for the longest possible time.
The M HYBRID drive system in the BMW XM has a cooling system tailored to its high-performance mission. Large air apertures at the front of the BMW XM, generously sized heat exchangers, and an integrated system for controlling the temperature of the combustion engine, the transmission (including the electric motor), and the high-voltage battery ensure ideal operating temperatures for the drive system technology in everyday driving situations and under sustained high power demand. Transmission oil cooling is done by an upstream air heat exchanger. Water-carrying components have been flow-optimized to achieve maximum cooling power while keeping pumping rates low. All the heat exchangers are sealed against the surrounding structure using soft materials to enable optimal airflow.
8-speed M Steptronic transmission with Drivelogic, integrated hybrid module and Launch Control function
The 8-speed M Steptronic transmission with Drivelogic is also a first from BMW M. It channels not only the power generated by the combustion engine, but also the drive torque from the integrated electric motor as required to enhance either efficiency, comfort or power delivery. The hybrid module also acts as an integrated drive-off element and allows the car to creep at walking pace without the driver pressing the accelerator and firing the combustion engine.
A wet multi-plate separation clutch manages the smooth engagement and disengagement of the combustion engine during a journey. Its low drag torque allows the clutch to be open when driving in pure-electric mode. Furthermore, the separation clutch can eliminate torsional vibrations generated by the combustion engine using micro-slip control. In combination with the integrated torsional vibration damper system, this helps to ensure high levels of acoustic comfort at low revs.
The 8-speed M Steptronic transmission also has a Launch Control function to enable traction-optimized acceleration off the line with maximum thrust. The engine control unit governs both the release logic of the Launch Control system and the slip-optimized limitation of drive torque. The shift points are carefully calibrated help to ensure the best possible acceleration for all environmental conditions, e.g., outside temperature and road surface.
Three driving modes for maximum performance and emissions-free efficiency
The interaction between the combustion engine and electric motor in the BMW XM can be adjusted by selecting specific driving modes. The driver can call up the relevant menu using the M HYBRID button on the control panel in the center console and access it on the control display.
HYBRID driving mode is the default setting and gives the driver access to the full system output of combustion engine and electric motor in tandem. The amount each drive source contributes to the performance experience depends on the drive configuration selected from the M Setup menu. In the Comfort setting, the electric motor is used without engaging the combustion engine as often as possible, optimizing the efficiency of the BMW XM. If the battery is at a very low state of charge, the generator function raises the engine's load point to feed additional power into the high-voltage battery. In the drive system's Sport and Sport Plus modes, the combustion engine is always active.
In the ELECTRIC driving mode, the BMW XM uses only the power from the electric drive system up to its 87 mph top speed. In this mode, the combustion engine is only activated under kickdown or when switching into the transmission's manual mode - using either the gear selector or one of the shift paddles on the steering wheel.
eCONTROL mode tells the system to maintain the charge of the high-voltage battery during a journey or to increase it by means of energy recuperation. In this way, battery capacity can be saved for pure-electric driving in urban areas later in the journey, for example.
One engine, one electric motor, four driven wheels: the M xDrive system
In the BMW XM, M xDrive splits the power generated by the combustion engine and electric motor between all four wheels precisely, quickly, and as required at all times. An electronically controlled multi-plate clutch ensures fully variable distribution of power between the front and rear axle.
The rear-biased setup of M xDrive enhances the agility of the BMW XM. The system's default mode is 4WD, but two other modes can be selected via the M Setup menu. In 4WD Sport mode, more power is sent to the rear wheels for sporty, M-typical handling in dynamic driving situations. To activate 4WD Sport, the driver must first switch to M Dynamic Mode or turn DSC off. And only when DSC has been fully deactivated can 4WD Sand mode be used. This setting initiates a traction-optimized program of the all-wheel-drive system and engages the locking functions of the M Sport differential specifically for driving over dunes or similar low-traction surfaces.
Model-specific rear axle differential with M Sport differential
Furthering the performance of the M xDrive all-wheel-drive system is an electronically controlled differential lock in the rear axle. The M Sport differential brings a need-based and fully variable distribution of drive torque between the left and right rear wheels. This helps to send maximum drive power to the road without any losses, especially when the vehicle is being pushed hard or has less grip on one side. Shifting power to the wheel on the outside of the corner mitigates understeer without the need for brake inputs.
The M xDrive system and M Sport differential are coordinated with DSC to ensure they all work together precisely as the driving situation demands. The BMW XM has a model-specific rear axle differential specially tuned to the high system torque of its M HYBRID drive system.
Chassis
With its long wheelbase and wide tracks, the vehicle concept underpinning the BMW XM is well-suited to delivering a balanced blend of high performance and comfort. High degrees of wheel camber at the front and rear axle enhance the handling, as do the nearly 50/50 weight distribution and the very rigid body and chassis mountings. The positioning of the M HYBRID system's high-voltage battery in the vehicle floor gives the BMW XM a low center of gravity, which has a positive effect on its agility and cornering dynamics.
Its double-wishbone front axle boasts high levels of longitudinal and lateral rigidity, while the use of aluminum components reduces unsprung weight. The design includes a second level of control arms for wheel guidance, which means the dampers are almost completely isolated from lateral forces, improving damper response.
The five-link rear axle ensures precise wheel guidance and outstanding straight-line poise, together with impressive ride comfort thanks to its elastic mounting. The sheet-steel construction of its links helps to reduce weight, as do the aluminum wheel carriers and forged upper control arms. The rear-axle subframe made from aluminum offers high structural rigidity and features a large supporting base along with additional thrust arms. The camber arms with aerodynamically optimized paneling on their underside form an integral part of the completely sealed underbody, thereby helping to lower aerodynamic drag and substantially reduce rear axle lift.
The BMW XM is equipped with steel springs that have been designed to meet the requirements of a high-performance model's handling dynamics and offer high levels of roll and vertical stabilization while also minimizing weight. Linear springs are fitted at the front axle and progressive springs at the rear. The progressive springs offer very long rebound travel combined with high oscillation rates, benefiting not only traction, but ride comfort for passengers in the rear.
The BMW XM comes standard with Adaptive M Suspension Professional.
Active roll stabilization with Active Roll Comfort
An important factor in the inspiring handling of the BMW XM is its active roll stabilization technology. The version of the electromechanical roll stabilization system found on the BMW XM uses a 48V electric motor as an active connection between the two halves of the anti-roll bar at both the front and rear axle. A dedicated 48V electrical system made up of supercapacitors supplies energy to the electric motors for the active anti-roll bars.
The active roll stabilization also increases comfort when driving in a straight line by decoupling the fixed connection of a conventional anti-roll bar between each axle's wheels. This has the effect of correcting body roll when driving over surface imperfections on one side of the vehicle, also lessening the associated acceleration forces and the obtrusive 'head-toss' they can cause.
The Active Roll Comfort function goes further by enabling the system to actively suppress rolling movements caused by bumps in the road on one side of the vehicle rather than just reduce them. This allows any loss of ride comfort on rough roads to be minimized more effectively.
Premiere in a BMW M model: Integral Active Steering
For the first time in a BMW M model, Integral Active Steering is fitted as standard equipment. Turning the rear wheels as well as the fronts makes light work of tight, low-speed maneuvers, increases agility at moderate speeds, and enhances poise and assurance at high speeds, especially when changing lanes. The rear wheels are turned in either the same or the opposite direction to the front wheels, depending on road speed. And in very challenging driving situations, stabilizing steering inputs at the rear wheels can help to keep the BMW XM safely on track.
Near-actuator wheel slip limitation
The superb traction and precisely controllable handling of the BMW XM in any situation are enhanced by means of the very latest, intelligently interconnected control systems. The near-actuator wheel slip limitation maximizes directional stability even when driving in adverse road conditions. This traction control system is integrated into the engine management, eliminating the long signal paths to the DSC control unit. This allows corrective inputs to be applied up to ten times faster than in conventional systems and with exceptional precision. Because the near-actuator wheel slip limitation function manages any loss of traction, especially when accelerating hard or taking corners at speed, the DSC system has to intervene far less frequently to maintain composed and assured handling with selective applications of the brakes at individual wheels.
23-inch M light-alloy wheels and sports tires
Standard on the BMW XM are 23-inch M light-alloy wheels fitted with mixed-size high-performance tires measuring 275/35 R23 at the front and 315/30 R23 at the rear. M light-alloy wheels in 22-inch diameters are optional.
Exterior Design
The progressive front-end design developed exclusively for the BMW luxury class has been given a unique adaptation for the BMW XM, announcing both its presence and remarkable performance equally. Smooth surfaces and sharp edges bring clarity and confidence to the front end. Alongside the fresh interpretation of the twin headlights and BMW M kidney grille, the large air intakes are a defining feature of the front end. The sensor and camera systems required for the driver assistance tech are integrated discreetly into the front apron.
The BMW XM is equipped as standard with Adaptive LED Headlights, whose light functions are split into two separate areas. The daytime driving lights, side lights and turn indicators are integrated into the ultra-slim, crisply contoured upper elements, each consisting of two LED units. The low-beam and high-beam headlights are positioned in the lower, darkened area of the headlight units deeply embedded in the front apron.
The two elements of the grille stand out clearly from the surrounding surfaces. Within them are the horizontal grille bars that have become a hallmark feature of the high-performance sports cars from BMW M GmbH, while the double surrounds of the kidneys emphasize their octagonal contours. The outer border of each kidney is finished in high-gloss black, while the inner surround provides contour lighting in the form of a sharply drawn, unbroken light ring.
The side window shape is bordered by a high-gloss black accent band. Another black accent band emerges from the front wheel arches, and as it approaches the D-pillar the band turns upwards in a fresh imagining of the Hofmeister kink.
There is a prominent depression at the rear of the BMW XM's roof and BMW logos have been engraved into the rear window below the right and left rails. A special laser engraving technique ensures the logos stand out against the dark glass surface.
The flat, near seamlessly fitted rear window and prominently flared wheel arches together accentuate the width and powerful stature of the BMW XM. The slim rear lights have a sculpted design and project out from the body. The rear lights only become visible through the dark lens covers when they are activated. Three diagonal light strips on the flanks reference the style of the BMW M GmbH tricolor logo
Vertically arranged reflectors border the rear apron at either side. The diffuser elements integrated into the lower section of the rear apron are painted in Black high-gloss and framed by high-gloss black surrounds. The black model badge on the tailgate is outlined in gold. A pair of tailpipes from the double-sided, dual-branch exhaust system protrude from either side of the diffuser. This familiar design cue of M models has been reimagined for the BMW XM, with the hexagonal tailpipe trims stacked vertically. Model-specific air-directing elements in the underbody provide additional cooling for the exhaust system, enabling an optimal operating temperature at all times - even when the engine is working under high loads for sustained periods.
Rich, vibrant paint finishes; up to 23-inch light-alloy wheels
Seven paint shades are available for the exterior of the BMW XM, including three shades exclusive to M models and one BMW Individual finish. Further options are expected to be added in summer 2023, at which time customers also will be able to choose from more than 50 BMW Individual paint finishes.
The BMW XM can be ordered with NightGold Metallic exterior trim. If this option is specified, the accent band along the sides of the vehicle, the BMW M kidney grille's outer border, and the surrounds for the diffuser elements at the rear are finished in NightGold.
The BMW XM is fitted as standard with 23-inch M light-alloy wheels. Available as an option are 22-inch M aerodynamic wheels with inserts that reduce both weight and drag. Customers may also choose 23-inch bi-color M light-alloy wheels. These are finished either in Black or Night Gold and feature a unique hub cover with BMW lettering.
Interior Design
The expressive style of the BMW XM's exterior design continues inside the cabin. The lines and surfaces of the instrument panel, center console, seats, and door trim panels create an environment around the driver and front passenger seats that authentically reflects the performance potential of the BMW XM.
The BMW Curved Display sits on a generously-sized decorative surface in matte carbon fiber. The M-typical carbon fiber elements in the instrument panel combine with wide air vent surrounds in pearl-effect chrome. The surface of the center console is also in matte carbon fiber.
Progressive luxury: M Lounge in the rear, sculptural headliner
A generous feeling of space, high-quality materials, and bold design transform the rear of the BMW XM into an exclusive M Lounge. The rear bench offers two outboard seats and a full-size space for a third passenger in the center. Deep recesses and a color and material design that continues into the door trim panels combine to create an inviting lounge-like character in the rear seats with a snug and comfortable feel. Three-dimensional diamond quilting that extends into the door trim panels, diamond-shaped contours on the upper section of the backrest and integral head restraints give the rear seats a modern and sporty appearance. The optional seat heating for the M Lounge includes the side panels as well as the seat surfaces and backrests.
The sculptural headliner of the BMW XM is a very special piece of design. The three-dimensional prism structure of its Alcantara surface and discreet illumination give the interior a dramatic yet intimate feel. Fiber-optic light guides containing 100 LEDs are integrated into the headliner's "picture frame" border to produce constant or dynamic light effects within its sculptural design, depending on the situation and selected driving mode. Dynamic pulses of light in the interior are also used to signal an incoming phone call or highlight the risk of a potential collision when opening a door.
Vintage leather makes each interior unique
Four equipment variants enable customers to select their own choice of surface materials and color schemes for the BMW XM interior. Standard specification consists of BMW Individual Merino leather trim with interior surfaces and seat surfaces in Black and contrast stitching in Black Grey, while the upper section of the instrument panel and door shoulders are covered in soft Black Nappa leather. Like the headliner, the A, B and C pillars are also covered in Alcantara. BMW Individual Merino leather trim is also available as an option with surfaces in Sakhir Orange for the seats, the center console and the lower sections of the instrument panel and door trim panels, and Black Nappa leather on the dashboard and upper door trim.
The optional BMW Individual Merino leather trim with exclusive features is also available in two color combinations. The seat surfaces, center console, lower sections of the instrument panel and door trim panels, sculptural headliner and cushions for the rear passengers can be specified in either Silverstone or Deep Lagoon.
First shown on the BMW Concept XM, Vintage Coffee Merino leather may be specified for the upper sections of the instrument panel and door trim panels. Soft Nappa leather is used here for the first time, a special finishing process deliberately emphasizing its natural characteristics rather than concealing them. The vintage look created by this process discreetly highlights creases, scars, and worn areas as characterful design elements of the material. As well as authentically celebrating leather as a natural product, this also ensures maximum individuality, as every interior trim crafted from Vintage leather has its own unique visual details that set it apart as one of a kind. Vintage Coffee Full Merino may only be paired with either Silverstone or Deep Lagoon Full Merino Leather upholsteries.
Emotionally engaging drive sounds, even in locally emission-free driving mode: BMW IconicSounds Electric
The note of a V8 engine is unmistakable, but the BMW XM also offers an emotionally rich sound experience in pure-electric mode. With BMW IconicSounds Electric included as standard, the joy of driving while generating zero local emissions is accompanied by a special sound design inside the vehicle. The BMW XM makes a statement acoustically before the journey has even begun. Pressing the start/stop button initiates an acoustic flourish that signals the BMW XM is ready to drive, and fuels anticipation for the driving experience to come - in both pure-electric and combustion engine mode. During the journey, the M-specific electric drive sound provides authentic feedback to every movement of the accelerator pedal.
For the first time, the power delivery of the electric motor retains its aural accompaniment when the combustion engine is running. If the Sport or Sport Plus mode is engaged while in HYBRID driving mode, a distinctive boost sound gives the driver an acoustic experience of the additional performance delivered by the electric motor.
Driver assistance systems: the complete comfort and safety package
The BMW XM boasts the largest selection of driver assistance systems offered - either as standard or as an option - for any high-performance vehicle from BMW M GmbH. Standard specification includes the Driving Assistant, which comprises Front Collision Warning, Lane Departure Warning including lane return with steering assistance, the Evasion Assistant, Alertness Assistant and Speed Limit Info system including no-overtaking indicator and manual Speed Limit Assist.
The optional Driving Assistant Professional delivers an extensive automated driving experience with a combination of Active Cruise Control with Stop&Go function and the Steering and Lane Control Assistant. With the automatic Speed Limit Assist, route monitoring, traffic light recognition and Active Navigation, speed and steering movements can be adapted precisely to any traffic situation. The range of functions also includes the Emergency Lane and Emergency Stop Assistant, the Lane Change Assistant and Crossing Traffic Warning.
BMW iDrive 8
The BMW XM comes as standard with the BMW Live Cockpit Professional, which brings with it an M-specific version of the latest-generation of BMW iDrive. The information display's newly designed graphic layout and the M-style content shown there support the driver with a focused, performance-led driving experience. Vehicle speed is shown on the left of the display both as a figure and as a digital scale, along with information such as fuel level and the status of the driver assistance systems. The right-hand section indicates engine speed, the gear currently engaged, the transmission's Drivelogic setting, the charge level of the high-voltage battery and the setup selected with the M button on the steering wheel. The familiar M Shift Lights are shown in the upper section of the information display. A display bar at the lower edge of the screen provides information including the status of the driving stability systems, M xDrive and the traction control technology. The standard BMW Live Cockpit Professional also includes the BMW Head-Up Display with M specific readouts.
What a swing and a miss. Also seems like they're taking a page out of the Acura Marketing playbook. "Exterior design exudes extreme presence", "power domes", "extrovert night design"?
What a swing and a miss. Also seems like they're taking a page out of the Acura Marketing playbook. "Exterior design exudes extreme presence", "power domes", "extrovert night design"?
I dont think BMW will miss since... it is a BMW, not Acura. There will be plenty of buyers.
Reference? see all other uglies in their current line up...
The huge grille doesn't seem so off-putting, on this behemoth of a car.
On the more svelte 4er, it's just too big.
Also the split headlight is still ugly but it is better executed than the ones on the X7 and 7ers.
Overall still ugly but tolerable....
There is no hope for the 4er. Some cars will grow on you and i still throw up in my mouth every time i see a 4 series.
But M3/M4 is growing on me tho....
Last edited by oonowindoo; 09-28-2022 at 02:39 PM.
I dont think BMW will miss since... it is a BMW, not Acura. There will be plenty of buyers.
Reference? see all other uglies in their current line up...
I'm not referring to the design, but to the performance (or lack thereof). A $160K super SUV that only does 0-60 in 4.3s? I guess the only thing left is for them to try to hype up the design with superlatives (sound familiar?)
I definitely don't mind the gold/bronze accents at all, way better than chrome, hope other brands follow along. What I hate about modern BMW design is that there doesn't seem to be anything resembling a cohesive design language. They just put all their ideas in a shotgun and pulled the trigger and this is what came out the other end. The wheels are fugly and the badge on the back looks like it's just haphazardly placed in a random location. The front looks like a bunch of weird shapes meshed together and they ran out of some paint colors and used others instead. The interior looks halfway decent even though I wouldn't pick those particular colors.
I'm not referring to the design, but to the performance (or lack thereof). A $160K super SUV that only does 0-60 in 4.3s? I guess the only thing left is for them to try to hype up the design with superlatives (sound familiar?)
performance is not something i worry about.
Their performance cars are pretty much class leading in every segment.
Unlike Acura that hype shit up and still being the one of the slowest every time.
If you know anything about BMW's #s, you will know 4.3/4.1 published #s means mid 3s in the real world. for a X7 sized jumbo SUV, i dont know it should be any faster than that.
Even the $160k Escalade V with similar power is still doing 4.3 secs to 60... But in the real world, it will destroy most cars that claim to do 0-60 in low 4s (like my car) in a straight line.
0-60 means little
Last edited by oonowindoo; 09-28-2022 at 04:19 PM.
I definitely don't mind the gold/bronze accents at all, way better than chrome, hope other brands follow along. What I hate about modern BMW design is that there doesn't seem to be anything resembling a cohesive design language. They just put all their ideas in a shotgun and pulled the trigger and this is what came out the other end. The wheels are fugly and the badge on the back looks like it's just haphazardly placed in a random location. The front looks like a bunch of weird shapes meshed together and they ran out of some paint colors and used others instead. The interior looks halfway decent even though I wouldn't pick those particular colors.
At this point, that might be a good thing, i would hate to see 3er and 5ers, X3/X5 and 8ers starting to look like 4, 7 and X7 and XM.
Their performance cars are pretty much class leading in every segment.
Unlike Acura that hype shit up and still being the one of the slowest every time.
If you know anything about BMW's #s, you will know 4.3/4.1 published #s means mid 3s in the real world. for a X7 sized jumbo SUV, i dont know it should be any faster than that.
Even the $160k Escalade V with similar power is still doing 4.3 secs to 60... But in the real world, it will destroy most cars that claim to do 0-60 in low 4s (like my car) in a straight line.
0-60 means little
4.3 published is not going to mean mid 3's in the real world. That's an enormous jump even if they're sandbagging the numbers a little. Might be lucky to sneak in under 4 seconds.
You can cherry pick the Escalade V, but you know damn well nobody is cross-shopping that car with this. Fact of the matter is that this car is going to go up against cars like the Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid, RSQ8, GLS63, etc. all of which are quicker and cheaper. And while I agree all these cars are so fast it really doesn't matter which one is faster than which, BMW's schtick is that they're supposed to be at the very top of performance, and the XM ain't it.
well, first it is 4.1 secs. I dont know why we keep saying 4.3.
I guess we will just have to see when it is released to see if it is really slower than RSQ8 or GLS63, I have a feeling that XM will be faster than both... So we will see if BMW understates their # or the other 2 overstates their #s.
Again manuf. published 0-60 time means little other than some marketing material. We will see when carwow or whoever line them up and see what happens.
and Cayenne Turbo S E hybrid is not cheaper.. it is a $200k SUV.... and it will be faster. It is faster than a Lambo Urus ($270k, close to $300k in reality)
Last edited by oonowindoo; 09-28-2022 at 06:07 PM.
well, first it is 4.1 secs. I dont know why we keep saying 4.3.
I guess we will just have to see when it is released to see if it is really slower than RSQ8 or GLS63, I have a feeling that XM will be faster than both... So we will see if BMW understates their # or the other 2 overstates their #s.
Again manuf. published 0-60 time means little other than some marketing material. We will see when carwow or whoever line them up and see what happens.
and Cayenne Turbo S E hybrid is not cheaper.. it is a $200k SUV.... and it will be faster. It is faster than a Lambo Urus ($270k, close to $300k in reality)
I'm just going off of what the graphic says. It clearly says 4.3s (to 62).
As for the Cayenne, I could have sworn it was $150K but I guess prices went up; starts at $170K. Ok fine, the "regular" Cayenne Turbo then. Still faster, and still cheaper.
Again manuf. published 0-60 time means little other than some marketing material. We will see when carwow or whoever line them up and see what happens.
Isn't this the exact same excuse Type S fanboys used when people were ragging on it before the "facts" came out?
I'm just going off of what the graphic says. It clearly says 4.3s (to 62).
As for the Cayenne, I could have sworn it was $150K but I guess prices went up; starts at $170K. Ok fine, the "regular" Cayenne Turbo then. Still faster, and still cheaper.
Isn't this the exact same excuse Type S fanboys used when people were ragging on it before the "facts" came out?
BMW GEN5 electric motor
Aided by the grip of M xDrive and a sophisticated launch control system, the BMW XM accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in just 4.1 seconds. Top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph, or 168 mph if the optional M Driver's Package is specified. The top speed in pure electric mode is 87 mph.
Dont think any of those 2 will be faster if they lose like that to a X6M
And please dont compare BMW with Acura. 1 is always under promise and over deliver in performance and the other is always over promise and under deliver.
If XM is slower in the real world, so then so be it.
I dont rely on 0-60 time let alone manuf. published 0-60 time to make a final decision on which car is faster.
Just for reference RSQ8 is supposed to do 0-60 in 3.2 and X6M Comp in 3.8 secs.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 09-28-2022 at 07:02 PM.
BMW fanboys and Acura fanboys; two sides of the same coin.
You seen any BMW fanboy openly talk so much shit about BMW?
All i was trying to say is BMW's published #s are almost never accurate. Just wait till someone line them up, if it is slower then it is slower.
XM uses the new engine with battery, who knows how slow or how fast it actually is.
That's fine but why is the X6M Comp faster (per BMW rated performance) than the XM? Shouldn't that one be top dog?
Guessing the XM is heavy with the large size and added battery. Either way, 650ish hp is pretty weak sauce for a turbo V8 with a big ass electric motor attached to it. Dodge does 700hp with just a gas engine, Ford does 760hp, and Benz does 600hp+ with their turbo V8 lol.
I don't know man, this just seems rather underwhelming unless you're in the "look at me" crowd. Would be fine if this was the X8 edrive50 or some shit like that but this is already supposed to be the top end M model. I guess we'll see when carwow or Throttle House gets one out there.
That's fine but why is the X6M Comp faster (per BMW rated performance) than the XM? Shouldn't that one be top dog?
Guessing the XM is heavy with the large size and added battery. Either way, 650ish hp is pretty weak sauce for a turbo V8 with a big ass electric motor attached to it. Dodge does 700hp with just a gas engine, Ford does 760hp, and Benz does 600hp+ with their turbo V8 lol.
I don't know man, this just seems rather underwhelming unless you're in the "look at me" crowd. Would be fine if this was the X8 edrive50 or some shit like that but this is already supposed to be the top end M model. I guess we'll see when carwow or Throttle House gets one out there.
I am not sure if XM is supposed to be faster than X5M/X6M or if it is really the top dog.
These type of 1 off cars never make sense to me. For example i8... a super car that was not even any faster than the M3 of those years.
It is one of those WOW look at me kind of car. I dont understand why they can't just build a X7M instead of this XM that does not belong anywhere in the line up.
Anyone who is looking for true performing SUVs will be looking at X5M/X6M instead at 2/3 of the price.
There is a 760hp red label coming... that will cost... A lot more
Last edited by oonowindoo; 09-29-2022 at 02:20 PM.
I am not sure if XM is supposed to be faster than X5M/X6M or if it is really the top dog.
These type of 1 off cars never make sense to me. For example i8... a super car that was not even any faster than the M3 of those years.
It is one of those WOW look at me kind of car. I dont understand why they can't just build a X7M instead of this XM that does not belong anywhere in the line up. Anyone who is looking for true performing SUVs will be looking at X5M/X6M instead at 2/3 of the price.
There is a 760hp red label coming... that will cost... A lot more
This is what gets me though...the XM doesn't really provide any value over either of those options lol. At least the i8 looked cool, had a carbon tub, and the billionaire doors. It was entirely unique within the BMW lineup even to this day. The XM is just an even worse looking X7 without a third row for a shit load more money.
Also, labelling something XM should make it the pinnacle of the performance SUV lineup, not one that brings up the rear. Shit, even the X3M comp is a LOT faster to 60 than this thing is. I'm genuinely failing to see the point of it.
This is what gets me though...the XM doesn't really provide any value over either of those options lol. At least the i8 looked cool, had a carbon tub, and the billionaire doors. It was entirely unique within the BMW lineup even to this day. The XM is just an even worse looking X7 without a third row for a shit load more money.
Also, labelling something XM should make it the pinnacle of the performance SUV lineup, not one that brings up the rear. Shit, even the X3M comp is a LOT faster to 60 than this thing is. I'm genuinely failing to see the point of it.
From the look of this video, it does provide more WOW look at me factors inside and out than the X5/X6M. But it is contradicting since it is produced exclusively by BMW M division who is supposed to do hardcore performance cars instead of these type of WOW look at me type of cars.
Maybe if they used 20" or 21" wheels instead of 23" the car would be faster
This thing is awful. The current 4-series is awful. The current M3 and M4 are awful. The X4 and X6 (both M and not), are awful. I've owned four BMWs (still have two of them), and not one of these vehicles I've just mentioned will ever find a place in my garage.
This thing is awful. The current 4-series is awful. The current M3 and M4 are awful. The X4 and X6 (both M and not), are awful. I've owned four BMWs (still have two of them), and not one of these vehicles I've just mentioned will ever find a place in my garage.
From the look of this video, it does provide more WOW look at me factors inside and out than the X5/X6M. But it is contradicting since it is produced exclusively by BMW M division who is supposed to do hardcore performance cars instead of these type of WOW look at me type of cars.
Maybe if they used 20" or 21" wheels instead of 23" the car would be faster
Careful, that's like saying Beetlejuice around here...
In any case, this thing is probably going to be a flop at this price point and performance level. There's literally no reason to not buy a Cayenne, RSQ8, or GLE/GLS AMG at this price tag. All of them are faster and MUCH better looking. This is basically the Acura Integra of the higher end luxury market lol.
Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Yet you owned the ugliest m5 of them all…
;-)
The E60 looks downright stunning compared to the current crop of cars that fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
But...I do also thing the Bangle 5 series remains as one of the most hideous bimmers to date. That said, BMW's current design language is definitely not a high note. The current X3 is about the only model that actually turns my head...at least until they fuck that one up.
But...I do also thing the Bangle 5 series remains as one of the most hideous bimmers to date. That said, BMW's current design language is definitely not a high note. The current X3 is about the only model that actually turns my head...at least until they fuck that one up.
The current 3, 5, and 8 series also look really good IMO.
12-03-2021, 09:38 AM
like i said, i hope you dont have any kind of analytical jobs cuz you really suck at it..
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the car would be faster 
