BMW: Recall news
08-13-2008, 03:51 PM
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BMW: Recall news
BMW recalls 200,000 vehicles
The front passenger air bag may not deploy in a crash; automaker says no injuries, accidents are related to the problem.
Last Updated: August 13, 2008: 4:20 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- BMW AG said Wednesday it was recalling 200,000 vehicles over concerns that the front passenger air bag may not deploy in a crash.
The German automaker said the recall involves the 2006 3 Series, the 2004-2006 5 Series, and the 2004-2006 X3 compact sport utility vehicles in the United States.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a posting on its Web site that small cracks could develop in a seat detection mat and deactivate the front passenger air bags.
NHTSA said the air bag warning lamp and the passenger air bag "on-off" light would remain on. The head protection system, however, would not be affected, the government said.
BMW spokesman Tom Plucinsky said there were no injuries or accidents reported.
If the seat detection mat fails to sense that a person is sitting in the passenger seat, it deactivates the air bag. Plucinsky said customers alerted the company when they noticed that the air bag light indicated a deactivated air bag even when a passenger sat in the seat.
NHTSA opened an investigation into the issue in September 2007 and upgraded its probe in January. In addition to the vehicles under Wednesday's recall, the ongoing investigation also includes the 2004-2006 Z4, 2006 X5, 2006 6 Series and some 2004-2006 7 Series vehicles.
BMW had received 23,739 warranty claims over the air bag system issue by early January, NHTSA said. Plucinsky could not immediately address why the additional vehicles under NHTSA's investigation were not part of the recall.
To respond to the problem, BMW said it would extend the warranty to 10 years without any mileage limit for the following vehicles: 2006 6 Series, 2006 3 Series with standard seat, 2004-2005 Z4, 2004-2006 7 Series, 2006 X5, and 2004-2006 5 Series with comfort seats.
BMW said under the extended warranty program, the detection mat in a vehicle with the air bag system problems would be replaced at no charge to the customer. To top of page
First Published: August 13, 2008: 12:48 PM EDT
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The front passenger air bag may not deploy in a crash; automaker says no injuries, accidents are related to the problem.
Last Updated: August 13, 2008: 4:20 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- BMW AG said Wednesday it was recalling 200,000 vehicles over concerns that the front passenger air bag may not deploy in a crash.
The German automaker said the recall involves the 2006 3 Series, the 2004-2006 5 Series, and the 2004-2006 X3 compact sport utility vehicles in the United States.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a posting on its Web site that small cracks could develop in a seat detection mat and deactivate the front passenger air bags.
NHTSA said the air bag warning lamp and the passenger air bag "on-off" light would remain on. The head protection system, however, would not be affected, the government said.
BMW spokesman Tom Plucinsky said there were no injuries or accidents reported.
If the seat detection mat fails to sense that a person is sitting in the passenger seat, it deactivates the air bag. Plucinsky said customers alerted the company when they noticed that the air bag light indicated a deactivated air bag even when a passenger sat in the seat.
NHTSA opened an investigation into the issue in September 2007 and upgraded its probe in January. In addition to the vehicles under Wednesday's recall, the ongoing investigation also includes the 2004-2006 Z4, 2006 X5, 2006 6 Series and some 2004-2006 7 Series vehicles.
BMW had received 23,739 warranty claims over the air bag system issue by early January, NHTSA said. Plucinsky could not immediately address why the additional vehicles under NHTSA's investigation were not part of the recall.
To respond to the problem, BMW said it would extend the warranty to 10 years without any mileage limit for the following vehicles: 2006 6 Series, 2006 3 Series with standard seat, 2004-2005 Z4, 2004-2006 7 Series, 2006 X5, and 2004-2006 5 Series with comfort seats.
BMW said under the extended warranty program, the detection mat in a vehicle with the air bag system problems would be replaced at no charge to the customer. To top of page
First Published: August 13, 2008: 12:48 PM EDT
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08-13-2008, 03:51 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
Well, afterall they are "built to break" 
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08-13-2008, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
crappy German engineering.
08-13-2008, 09:31 PM
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oh god give me a break like BMW is the first car manufacturer to have a recall. At least they had one, where was acura's recall for the 2nd gen cl/tl transmission? yeah that's what i thought.
08-13-2008, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zeroday
oh god give me a break like BMW is the first car manufacturer to have a recall. At least they had one, where was acura's recall for the 2nd gen cl/tl transmission? yeah that's what i thought.
Plus new BMWs have free maintenance anyways
08-14-2008, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
Plus new BMWs have free maintenance anyways
08-14-2008, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by zeroday
I was in a head on collision in my 3 and my air bag didnt deploy. I figured the force wasn't great enough. Now I wonder.
08-14-2008, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Unless you drive from the passenger seat, this recall has nothing to do with that. This recall is for the passenger seat occupancy detector (OC-3 mat).
08-14-2008, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
Very few things in life are free - it's built into the price of the car.
However
recall > ignoring the problem
08-15-2008, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Trackruner228
Bad experience?
PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN, then I get phone calls "whats wrong with my car" "the dealer said this" "$1200 to fix this???" and so on. Here is my list of people and experiences with their BMW
1- My friend Rodney picked up a 92 2dr 3 series with a bad tranny, so he replaced it, he then began to replace every part of the car after that besides the motor. He felt "well I already did this and that, so I have to fix it" Car totally drained him.
2- This girl I knew had a 323 ( I think) convertable with 100k and was at the dealer for months at a time with the same problems, and alwasy cost her $500-$1500 and new shit would break on each visit. The car ran horrible and she did her best to maintain it. She really took care of it.
3-My friend Ray, his father gave him an 01 3 series 4dr. Low miles, clean, looked and ran nice. Out of nowhere reverse stopped working. Needed new tranny. Drove it like that for a while, Dash lights blew, weird smoke smell. Ended up the car needed a new ECU as well. Car was tossed.
I just don't see the point in owning one for more than a lease period because they all require so much maintence, and repairs. Just to say I have a BMW??? My other issues is the price. They start out cheap, but to get one with decent features you have to buy 4 different packages. They should come loaded. I always laugh when I see a X5, but no HID lights?? Why is that extra? They have in the recent years become more reliable, and better looking but I don't think they are a wise choice for anyone that cares about money.
08-15-2008, 05:39 PM
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I hate when people sackride other peoples experiences.
If you gonna do that then let me tell you many people (members) i know who had to repalce their trannys on their 2nd gen TL. Most with under 40k miles.
If you gonna do that then let me tell you many people (members) i know who had to repalce their trannys on their 2nd gen TL. Most with under 40k miles.
08-15-2008, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisQ1980
Out of my family and friends, I'm the most car savvy so they all come to me with questions, problems. When looking for a car I always say you can't go wrong with Honda/Acura Toyota/Lexus Nissan/Infinity. I think all of those companies offer somethign in everyones price range, are fun to drive and reliable.
PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN, then I get phone calls "whats wrong with my car" "the dealer said this" "$1200 to fix this???" and so on. Here is my list of people and experiences with their BMW
1- My friend Rodney picked up a 92 2dr 3 series with a bad tranny, so he replaced it, he then began to replace every part of the car after that besides the motor. He felt "well I already did this and that, so I have to fix it" Car totally drained him.
2- This girl I knew had a 323 ( I think) convertable with 100k and was at the dealer for months at a time with the same problems, and alwasy cost her $500-$1500 and new shit would break on each visit. The car ran horrible and she did her best to maintain it. She really took care of it.
3-My friend Ray, his father gave him an 01 3 series 4dr. Low miles, clean, looked and ran nice. Out of nowhere reverse stopped working. Needed new tranny. Drove it like that for a while, Dash lights blew, weird smoke smell. Ended up the car needed a new ECU as well. Car was tossed.
I just don't see the point in owning one for more than a lease period because they all require so much maintence, and repairs. Just to say I have a BMW??? My other issues is the price. They start out cheap, but to get one with decent features you have to buy 4 different packages. They should come loaded. I always laugh when I see a X5, but no HID lights?? Why is that extra? They have in the recent years become more reliable, and better looking but I don't think they are a wise choice for anyone that cares about money.
PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN, then I get phone calls "whats wrong with my car" "the dealer said this" "$1200 to fix this???" and so on. Here is my list of people and experiences with their BMW
1- My friend Rodney picked up a 92 2dr 3 series with a bad tranny, so he replaced it, he then began to replace every part of the car after that besides the motor. He felt "well I already did this and that, so I have to fix it" Car totally drained him.
2- This girl I knew had a 323 ( I think) convertable with 100k and was at the dealer for months at a time with the same problems, and alwasy cost her $500-$1500 and new shit would break on each visit. The car ran horrible and she did her best to maintain it. She really took care of it.
3-My friend Ray, his father gave him an 01 3 series 4dr. Low miles, clean, looked and ran nice. Out of nowhere reverse stopped working. Needed new tranny. Drove it like that for a while, Dash lights blew, weird smoke smell. Ended up the car needed a new ECU as well. Car was tossed.
I just don't see the point in owning one for more than a lease period because they all require so much maintence, and repairs. Just to say I have a BMW??? My other issues is the price. They start out cheap, but to get one with decent features you have to buy 4 different packages. They should come loaded. I always laugh when I see a X5, but no HID lights?? Why is that extra? They have in the recent years become more reliable, and better looking but I don't think they are a wise choice for anyone that cares about money.
Next you are gonna be like that other tool around here and say german cars are "built to break." 
08-15-2008, 07:49 PM
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Awww, the intranet hardcores are coming out. Not "sack riding" anyone. I've seen it first hand, and helped repair, or talk to dealers with them. It seems all the "sack riding" is going on right here. Just as I expect from BMWhy fans.
As for the TL/CL tranny issue, Acura goodwills transmissions for cars up to 7.5yrs old and 109k miles. Give me an instance where a BMW was given that kind of repair for free at 109k.
Like I said, it's my two cents, and if you don't like it I could care less.
As for the TL/CL tranny issue, Acura goodwills transmissions for cars up to 7.5yrs old and 109k miles. Give me an instance where a BMW was given that kind of repair for free at 109k.
Like I said, it's my two cents, and if you don't like it I could care less.
08-15-2008, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
crappy German engineering.
08-15-2008, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisQ1980
Awww, the intranet hardcores are coming out. Not "sack riding" anyone. I've seen it first hand, and helped repair, or talk to dealers with them. It seems all the "sack riding" is going on right here. Just as I expect from BMWhy fans.
As for the TL/CL tranny issue, Acura goodwills transmissions for cars up to 7.5yrs old and 109k miles. Give me an instance where a BMW was given that kind of repair for free at 109k.
Like I said, it's my two cents, and if you don't like it I could care less.
As for the TL/CL tranny issue, Acura goodwills transmissions for cars up to 7.5yrs old and 109k miles. Give me an instance where a BMW was given that kind of repair for free at 109k.
Like I said, it's my two cents, and if you don't like it I could care less.
Originally Posted by princelybug
I have to agree. ALL German cars break down ALL time. (I drove an A4 before I bought my TL and my wife owns a GLI). Japanese cars aren't perfect, but on average they're the most reliable cars on the planet.
08-15-2008, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisQ1980
As for the TL/CL tranny issue, Acura goodwills transmissions for cars up to 7.5yrs old and 109k miles. Give me an instance where a BMW was given that kind of repair for free at 109k. .
Remember the engine issues the early E46 M3 had? Yea BMW gave out warranties for them.
Oh but get this... BMW actually FIXED the issue AND offered a 100k warranty. How many TL/CL members are on their 2nd or 3rd tranny?
Exactly.
08-16-2008, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Acura
Remember the engine issues the early E46 M3 had? Yea BMW gave out warranties for them.
Oh but get this... BMW actually FIXED the issue AND offered a 100k warranty. How many TL/CL members are on their 2nd or 3rd tranny?
Exactly.
Oh but get this... BMW actually FIXED the issue AND offered a 100k warranty. How many TL/CL members are on their 2nd or 3rd tranny?
Exactly.
Lets all wax our carrot to a an inline 6 with 2 turbos that produce 300hp. Lets see how those hold up after 150k. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh RWD OMFG RWD. I'd rather own a 240. Not to mention the 07-08 TL-S outperformed those RWD cars on the track.
Most people on this forum dont' track cars anyway and are street light/highway/commuting racers that think they can follow a line.
Here is a good BMW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCo00...eature=related
Comparing Honda/Acura reliabilty to BMW is a joke.
08-16-2008, 01:53 AM
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Now you just pulling shit out of your ass. Topic was about reliability and warranty. Who said anything about tracking or RWD....
Sounds like you just enjoy bashing BMW to get a rise out of people. Envy sucks.
Sounds like you just enjoy bashing BMW to get a rise out of people. Envy sucks.
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I want a Blue 335I.. Ok thats $550 extra. I want black interior, ok thats $1,450 extra. I want the sport package with 18 inch rims and sport seats. Ok thats $1200. I want the cold weather package with heated seats and retractable headlight washers... Ok thats $750 and i will get a ski bag.
Ohhh Ohhh can i has the premium package for $2500. I gets bluetooth. Power rear sunshade for $250 please. After I pay $41,200 for the car and maintence so I can has RWD and go fast round turns and be like Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Loooook I has a BWW...............
Ohhh Ohhh can i has the premium package for $2500. I gets bluetooth. Power rear sunshade for $250 please. After I pay $41,200 for the car and maintence so I can has RWD and go fast round turns and be like Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Loooook I has a BWW...............
08-16-2008, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Acura
Now you just pulling shit out of your ass. Topic was about reliability and warranty. Who said anything about tracking or RWD....
Sounds like you just enjoy bashing BMW to get a rise out of people. Envy sucks.
Sounds like you just enjoy bashing BMW to get a rise out of people. Envy sucks.
And I can afford a 5 series if I wanted to, but why waste the money? I'd rather live in a nice house, go on vacations, and spend money on other things than keeping my car alive.
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08-16-2008, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisQ1980
What was pulled out of my ass? lol I'm talking about people that don't have BMW's that defend them to the death.
How is that any different what you are doing? You NEVER had a BMW and are bashing them left and right.
Also most people in this thread defending BMW actually either own one or had one.
08-16-2008, 02:07 AM
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I don't see anyone defending their car (BWM) here with any kind of facts, or personal experience. Like as for me I had a 94 Integra LS that I sold with 194k for $3400 which is still running at 255k. I replaced the rad, starter, axles, timing belt2x, tires, and brakes.
Seriously BMW can't hold a candle to Honda/Acura reliabilty or dealership service. BMW owners either complain out of their ass, or don't care about throwing money at the problem because they don't have to worry about it.
BMW's are great if you can afford them, and not care about maintence/repairs. But for the general enthusiest who cares about value/performance/safety/reliablity/cost of ownership, it's the last car on the face of the planet that should be looked at for a long term investment.
Seriously BMW can't hold a candle to Honda/Acura reliabilty or dealership service. BMW owners either complain out of their ass, or don't care about throwing money at the problem because they don't have to worry about it.
BMW's are great if you can afford them, and not care about maintence/repairs. But for the general enthusiest who cares about value/performance/safety/reliablity/cost of ownership, it's the last car on the face of the planet that should be looked at for a long term investment.
08-16-2008, 02:27 AM
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The difference between driving an Acura and a BMW is there, and it is very noticeable. I've driven several 02-03 3.2 TL-S' (I had a 03 TL-S for a daily for over a year) and several 01+ 330is. I've even driven a 5MT 03 323i which impressed me a lot. All were stock and the BMWs were more nimble and responsive all around. I've also owned a 95 Integra LS sedan which was very reliable, but the 5MT 323i I drove surprised me, it was even more rev-happy than my Integra was!
I'm neither defending or attacking BMW. I'm simply stating what I've heard, and my own personal experience (driving). There's quite a few BMW owners on AZ (many of them former Acura owners) and I haven't heard too many complaints so far, just positive reactions for the most part. Especially with the 4 year/50,000 miles warranty they have for new BMWs, that's unbeatable piece of mind and value. I'd pay more for a comparable BMW model than an Acura as it is, but with the warranty, its a no-brainer.
oh and Jesal has owned a 330Ci (IIRC) and a 335i.
I'm neither defending or attacking BMW. I'm simply stating what I've heard, and my own personal experience (driving). There's quite a few BMW owners on AZ (many of them former Acura owners) and I haven't heard too many complaints so far, just positive reactions for the most part. Especially with the 4 year/50,000 miles warranty they have for new BMWs, that's unbeatable piece of mind and value. I'd pay more for a comparable BMW model than an Acura as it is, but with the warranty, its a no-brainer.
oh and Jesal has owned a 330Ci (IIRC) and a 335i.
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Driving and owning are very different experiences. OWNING an Acura and BMW are very different. RWD is more of a drivers car, but as we get into 2009 FWD and AWD are by far beating RWD cars in comparrison. SH AWD for example, and 305hp without the need of a turbo(2) or supercharger.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Acura
You forgot to mention i also have a 88 635csi with 155k miles with no major issues. 
Also, since this is ACURAzine there will be people here that favor the ACURA brand over BMW. BMW sites tend to be full of dicks so the smarter ones come here to talk about cars. YES, thats a compliment.
I drive my car 18k a year, not 7.3k
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08-16-2008, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Acura
You forgot to mention i also have a 88 635csi with 155k miles with no major issues.
Originally Posted by ChrisQ1980
Driving and owning are very different experiences. OWNING an Acura and BMW are very different. RWD is more of a drivers car, but as we get into 2009 FWD and AWD are by far beating RWD cars in comparrison. SH AWD for example, and 305hp without the need of a turbo(2) or supercharger.
All I know is, I never got a chance to do that in the year that I've owned my Hondas/Acuras. Lucky S2000/NSX owners.
Originally Posted by ChrisQ1980
No, you forgot to mention.
Also, since this is ACURAzine there will be people here that favor the ACURA brand over BMW. BMW sites tend to be full of dicks so the smarter ones come here to talk about cars. YES, thats a compliment.
I drive my car 18k a year, not 7.3k
Also, since this is ACURAzine there will be people here that favor the ACURA brand over BMW. BMW sites tend to be full of dicks so the smarter ones come here to talk about cars. YES, thats a compliment.
I drive my car 18k a year, not 7.3k