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What's wrong with that? Seems like they just want the problem fixed, which is what I would want. A warranty extension is fine (if you don't mind bringing the car in whenever it breaks and you don't mind the fix sopping power) but does it transfer to the next owner? This will obviously affect the resale value of the car if it's not actually *fixed* and especially if the next guy doesn't get the extra warranty.
Kinda like the Glass transmission honda never fixed?


No one forced the person to buy the car, The manufacturer shouldnt be forced to fix it.
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LOL. I guess you have pretty low standards for the stuff you buy, as in "I don't expect it to work as advertised".
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I think it is a question of standing behind your product. They may not have to fix it, but it would hurt their reputation some.
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Can they please recall the window regulators in the E46 too? That would be great.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1 View Post
No one forced the person to buy the car, The manufacturer shouldnt be forced to fix it.


I think SSFTSX is beginning to rub off on you.
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I'm actually glad to see it when a manufacturer has their proverbial feet held to the fire because of a defective product.
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they need to fix it. if i paid for the most expensive 3 series (sans M) im going to want power and working components.

it is 100% an engineering fault and BMW should be held responsible. lowering the engines output and covering up the symptoms isnt how it should be handled. look at what honda did with the 2g tl, which would have otherwise been great cars.
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I think it is a question of standing behind your product. They may not have to fix it, but it would hurt their reputation some.
This. It's not a matter of if the should be made to, its a matter of if the want to hurt themselves. It shouldn't be something that government should be telling them to do! Of course when I buy something I want it to work properly. I didn't sue acura when I had 5 trans failures which is a larger safety issue than this nor was aura forced to fix it.

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this has nothing to do with your Saturn aura
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1 View Post
This. It's not a matter of if the should be made to, its a matter of if the want to hurt themselves. It shouldn't be something that government should be telling them to do! Of course when I buy something I want it to work properly. I didn't sue aura when I had 5 trans failures which is a larger safety issue than this nor was aura forced to fix it.
This has nothing to do with BMW hurting themselves. It has to do with BMW acknowledging there is a problem and finding a permanent way to fix it. Believe it or not, unintended de-acceleration can be just as dangerous as unintended acceleration. Imagine you're merging onto a freeway, all of sudden you lose all power and there's a tractor trailer barrelling down on your ass. Sooner or later someone is going to get killed or seriously hurt because of this. There are already many close calls with N54 owners on e90post.com. And before you tell someone to just sell their car, why would the average N54 driver sell when there is no recall and BMW hasn't acknowledged the problem?
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BMW should have fixed the HPFP issues years ago instead of all the "band-aid" fixes they've offered. If this forces them to properly re-engineer the fuel pump then I say bravo for the lawsuit....
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Had BMW issued a proper recall for the HPFP issues, I would have bought a 335xi 6spd. The HPFP's high failure rate scared me away from BMW.
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This has nothing to do with BMW hurting themselves. It has to do with BMW acknowledging there is a problem and finding a permanent way to fix it. Believe it or not, unintended de-acceleration can be just as dangerous as unintended acceleration. Imagine you're merging onto a freeway, all of sudden you lose all power and there's a tractor trailer barrelling down on your ass. Sooner or later someone is going to get killed or seriously hurt because of this. There are already many close calls with N54 owners on e90post.com. And before you tell someone to just sell their car, why would the average N54 driver sell when there is no recall and BMW hasn't acknowledged the problem?
You are preaching to the choir with someone who has had 5 trans failures that decelerated much more violent that the BMW did when it lost power as opposed to the car slamming into 2nd gear no matter what speed you were doing!!
The point is is the govt should not be involved in these matters. Especially when the car is under warranty. If you dont like it get rid of it and give the company a black eye with bad reputation. Suing has become the American way
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oh wait. the govt is suing them?!
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^ No, it's a law firm. fsttyms1 is just bitter he had to go through 5 transmissions.
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You are preaching to the choir with someone who has had 5 trans failures that decelerated much more violent that the BMW did when it lost power as opposed to the car slamming into 2nd gear no matter what speed you were doing!!
The point is is the govt should not be involved in these matters. Especially when the car is under warranty. If you dont like it get rid of it and give the company a black eye with bad reputation. Suing has become the American way
Just because suing is overdone doesn't mean it should never be done. There is a legitimate safety issue at concern here. I think BMW should be sued, not for damages, but for remedy. They should be responsible for fixing the issues they created.

And your logic, that if you don't like it you should sell the car, is flawed. If you bought a toaster and 6 months later found out that, when turned on, it could potentially set itself on fire, would your best proposed solution be to just put it on ebay and move on to another toaster?
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:00 PM
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Just because suing is overdone doesn't mean it should never be done. There is a legitimate safety issue at concern here. I think BMW should be sued, not for damages, but for remedy. They should be responsible for fixing the issues they created.

And your logic, that if you don't like it you should sell the car, is flawed. If you bought a toaster and 6 months later found out that, when turned on, it could potentially set itself on fire, would your best proposed solution be to just put it on ebay and move on to another toaster?
Agreed. Especially the part about finding a remedy
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It's gonna take an aftermarket company like Walbro or someone to fix this problem. BMW pretty much washed their hands of this as soon as they issued the extended warranty...
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It's gonna take an aftermarket company like Walbro or someone to fix this problem. BMW pretty much washed their hands of this as soon as they issued the extended warranty...
Care to explain any of this?
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I was going to pick up a 2008 335i a couple of months ago, but was overwhelmed; surprisingly I might add, by the stories of HPFP problems that surround this car. Yes, this car is gorgeous inside and out, but it simply isn't worth the headache that comes with ownership. I was further disappointed by news of the N55 having the same HPFP problems, my dream of 335i has been shattered completely. Decided to keep my 08 G, and continue pummeling my savings account, and maybe jump two levels up the e92 M3 next year. <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="[email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected]@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"><v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><o:p></o:p>
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Care to explain any of this?
I mean an aftermarket fuel pump manufacturer will probably have to create a pump that will be a direct aftermarket replacement that will actually work and be an alternative to the Siemens/Continental factory unit. Much like there are companies that provide all metal cooling system components for the e39 vs the plastic OEM ones...

...then again, the failures could be a symptom of deeper flaws within the engine design..

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I don't think that will happen. It's just a crime that BMW can't fix the problem.

I too was so close to getting a 335 but, I too have been put off by the f***ing fuel pump problem.

M3 is just a pipedream.
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Even though my car has been to the dealer 3 times since June because of HPFP and other issues, I'm still in love with the car and wouldn't want to drive anything else. As long as they give me a BMW loaner, it's just the matter of dropping the car off and picking it up a few days later.
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^^^I didn't know you were having so many problems. Didn't you just get that car???
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Yeah, I got the car in June. It's been to the dealer twice for HPFP and a soft brake pedal. I was just there today for a third time because of a low coolant warning. They topped it off and sent me on my way. Hopefully it's not a leak.
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Even though my car has been to the dealer 3 times since June because of HPFP and other issues, I'm still in love with the car and wouldn't want to drive anything else. As long as they give me a BMW loaner, it's just the matter of dropping the car off and picking it up a few days later.
You obviously have a high tolerance for taking a car to a dealer repeatedly for the same thing. The point is...you shouldn't have to. "Buy a BMW and take to the dealer every month." That's ridiculous by any standard. BMW should make the problem go away. Does anyone on this planet think that BMW can't do it? NO. They just won't do. They choose to repeatedly inconvenience their customers.

There is no doubt that the 335 is a fantastic driving car with many laudable traits. But I would have a hard time dropping that kind of coin on a car that has a persistant problem with no end in sight. The whole situation is a real shame...except for their interior, I love the 3 series.
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I don't think that will happen. It's just a crime that BMW can't fix the problem.

I too was so close to getting a 335 but, I too have been put off by the f***ing fuel pump problem.

M3 is just a pipedream.
You never know...if a company is enterprising enough, they'd be R&Ding this issue like yesterday...this is a huge untapped product opportunity. i mean, it's just a goddamn fuel pump, ain't it?!? This still leads me to believe it a symptom of a bigger design flaw.

...and you're right, some of the shoddy engineering BMW puts into their cars is inexcuseable considering the price. I understand having leading-edge tech, but the Germans make it unnecessarily complex. Prime example on a much simpler scale: their cupholders

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Its either you buy the underwhelmed 328i which drives like a Jetta or you buy the 335i and end up being best friends with your service rep from frequent visits to the dealer for random issues. I give up.<o:p></o:p>
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My next car choices were rather slim, e92 335i & e92 M3 were at the peak of the list, with the S5 rounding off. Taken the 335i off the list leaves me in a quandary; the Audi S5 while gorgeous is a heap of coin without the performance to back it up. The M3, my favorite car on the road at the moment, continues to display a strong resale value so the prices haven't quite dwindled like I hoped. Some idiot was selling his 08 M3 for, and I quote, 54K. Needless to say, I donít have his contact info anymore.<o:p></o:p>
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As you can see, I have my eyes dead set on a coupe. My rear seats in my G are never used unless I change my cotton scented fragrance from the pocket behind the driverís side seat. I refuse to get another Infiniti G unless the next gen looks like a Porsche 911, and looking how unattractive the new M looks, my confidence in Infiniti has tanked.<o:p></o:p>
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So, where do I go from here? My conscious says; wait for the M3 prices to drop since thatís exactly the car I want, instead of settling for something Iíll end up regretting. Either way, next year will be interested when I start visiting the stealerships.<o:p></o:p>
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Sorry for the long post, just felt like venting. Back to ranting and raging over HPFP issues.<o:p></o:p>
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Its either you buy the underwhelmed 328i which drives like a Jetta or you buy the 335i and end up being best friends with your service rep from frequent visits to the dealer for random issues. I give up.<o:p></o:p>
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My next car choices were rather slim, e92 335i & e92 M3 were at the peak of the list, with the S5 rounding off. Taken the 335i off the list leaves me in a quandary; the Audi S5 while gorgeous is a heap of coin without the performance to back it up. The M3, my favorite car on the road at the moment, continues to display a strong resale value so the prices haven't quite dwindled like I hoped. Some idiot was selling his 08 M3 for, and I quote, 54K. Needless to say, I donít have his contact info anymore.<o:p></o:p>
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As you can see, I have my eyes dead set on a coupe. My rear seats in my G are never used unless I change my cotton scented fragrance from the pocket behind the driverís side seat. I refuse to get another Infiniti G unless the next gen looks like a Porsche 911, and looking how unattractive the new M looks, my confidence in Infiniti has tanked.<o:p></o:p>
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So, where do I go from here? My conscious says; wait for the M3 prices to drop since thatís exactly the car I want, instead of settling for something Iíll end up regretting. Either way, next year will be interested when I start visiting the stealerships.<o:p></o:p>
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Sorry for the long post, just felt like venting. Back to ranting and raging over HPFP issues.<o:p></o:p>
Seems like we are living in a parrallel universe. I haven't given up on the Infiniti YET. You are correct about the S5....saw one on a dealer lot yesterday...almost 60K

This is one reason why I'm seriously thinking about the 'Stang 5.0.
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Coupe only? If you're willing to look at the sedan, take a look at the 335d. Tons of torque, almost as much as power as the 335i, and none of the HPFP problems.
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A friend and I were talking about the 335d. MPGs FTW! He absolutely wanted a coupe though, and preferred a manual, so it was a no go. At least from what I can remember, it was automatic only.
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Coupe only? If you're willing to look at the sedan, take a look at the 335d. Tons of torque, almost as much as power as the 335i, and none of the HPFP problems.
Thanks for suggestion, but I'm not a fan of the 3-Series in a 4-door form.
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Yep, the N54, esp. in the 3, has been the topic in BMW forums for quite some time.

It's the reason why I stayed away from the 3 coupe (not interested in the bland 3 sedan) which stinks since I grew up driving BMWs.
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Keep in mind guys that the forums make the problem out to be much bigger than it might be.

People don't join forum to talk about how well their fuel pumps work, they join them to complain when they don't work. Not to mention how many of those pump failures are do to misuse. I would bet several of them fail because people put 89 octane in their tank.

I have owned my 335i for a year and a half and I haven't had any signs of a bad fuel pump.
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This story is making national TV news tomorrow. Good Morning America and Nightline are doing a story on it.
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I hope this brings resale super low.
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I hope the problem gets fixed.
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I hope the problem gets fixed.
Agreed, I don't monetary recuperation (unless it's substantial, which it won't be). I want them to fix it and I want my turbos running at full capacity.
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BMW Announces Voluntary N54 Engine (HPFP) and X5 Recall
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