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I love the new gauge!!

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Nice! I like the shape of my 6 GC better though.
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Yah but we dont know what the shape of 8GC will look like yet... but with that ugly rear, i am sure yours will be better.
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I look forward to considering one in 5 years for 30% of the original price tag.
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and you will be scared of the maintenance and repair bills... those are the type of cars perfect for lease... enjoy its best years and dump it... hit it and run without consequences!!!
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and you will be scared of the maintenance and repair bills... those are the type of cars perfect for lease... enjoy its best years and dump it... hit it and run without consequences!!!
Yeah but the lease on one of these is going to be $1k+ a month... Not worth it.
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850Csi was my dream car in high school. This might make the list once more. Love it.
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There's a mint 850 CSI in my local BMW dealer's showroom. It's gorgeous.
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Dat ass. Thicc af

I like it, I don't care what yeswind says. Though if they made the top part of the black diffuser thingy flush all the way across instead of jutting up near the corners, it would be an improvement
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I want to love it but feel like its just off. Seems to be a new 1 piece grill instead of separate grills, the black chrome connects in the middle. Curious to see that in person.
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To be honest... as much as i love BMW, i think S550/63 Coupe is better than this inside and out...
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/bm...kes-spy-debut/

These are the first spy shots of the upcoming 8-Series Gran Coupe, which is a longer, four-door version of the recently launched Coupe.

The new member of the expanding 8-Series family was previewed by τηε M8 Gran Coupe concept at this year’s Geneva Motor Show. As the test car shows, the four-door 8-Series does a pretty good job at retaining the dynamic lines of the Coupe, only now it’s noticeably longer to make room for those extra rear doors.

This will enable BMW to go after other big sporty executive models like the Porsche Panamera and the Mercedes AMG GT4 Coupe, while those looking for al fresco motoring will have to wait for the Convertible.

The 8-Series Gran Coupe will pack BMW’s latest tech features, including a 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster paired with a 10.25-inch display for the infotainment system, active anti-roll bars and a rather long list of driver assistance systems.

Don’t expect any surprises in the engine department; the 8-Series Gran Coupe will share the same powertrains with the Coupe, including the new twin-turbo 523hp 4.4-liter V8 and a 3.0-liter 315hp diesel straight-six, the latter available only to European customers.

As for the range-topping M8 Gran Coupe, we expect BMW to use the same oily bits with the current M5, meaning a twin-turbo 600hp V8 pared to a configurable all-wheel drive system. Some reports suggest that the M Division will increase the horsepower figure for the M8 a little, just to give its flagship M model the edge, but that remains to be seen.

BMW is expected to reveal the production version of the 8-Series Gran Coupe in 2019 as a 2020MY.




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So, they stopped making the 6GC to make the 8 2 door then to morph that in to the 8GC and charge more dollars! Brilliant!
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Yup because 8 is higher than 6 and 6GT has nothing to do with 6 series. it is a 5 series. Yet there is no 4GT because it is still 3GT,... yes it does not make sense.
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https://jalopnik.com/the-confusing-h...bui-1828173674

In 1987, BMW announced to the world that it was officially not screwing around anymore when it put a 5.0-liter V12 into production, setting a 300-horsepower standard for luxury and refinement. It was only a few years later that BMW would produce probably the ultimate V12, the 618-horsepower heart of the McLaren F1. But there was one engine sat in the middle that never quite made it into production, too big to live.

The car you’re looking at shouldn’t exist. It’s a prototype, and in most cases prototypes get crushed. But BMW never destroyed this one. I imagine it’s because nobody had the heart to do so.

This is the BMW M8 Prototype, a single vehicle built of what a true M car version of the original BMW E31 8 Series could look like.

The details of it are remarkably raw, particularly when viewed in the context of today’s all-wheel drive, automatic-equipped superlux M-branded SUVs and sedans.

The doors and wheel arches were carbon fiber. The windows were plexiglass. The pop-up headlights were deleted entirely.

New gauges read pressures to the driver, sat in a kevlar bucket seat with a body-strengthening B-pillar beside them, unlike the road car’s pillarless frame.

But the standout feature was the car’s engine. This is the 6064 cc “S70/1,” rumored to put out a good 550 horsepower, carbon fiber intakes running to twelve individual throttle bodies, cable-linked to the gas pedal unlike the drive-by-wire road car.

It is a sight to behold.

I requested these photos from BMW’s gracious historical archives, and I’ve never seen them anywhere else online. The engine looks like a black heart in the red prototype. It’s gleaming in its bay, absolutely monstrous.

I assumed that this was the engine that ultimately became the engine in the McLaren F1. After all, these M8 prototype photos are dated 1990, and it was only in 1993 that the F1 came out with its famous S70/2, displacing a very similar-sounding 6064cc. But then I turned up this passage in a BMW Blog write-up of the M8 prototype a few years back when BMW showed the car in its secret underground garage full of secret cars of great secrecy:

Interestingly, one of the biggest misconceptions of the M8 is that it shares an engine with the record shattering McLaren F1 as it was around the same time as the development of the M8 that McLaren commissioned BMW to build a very power V12 to power their supercar – after being denied by Honda.

Per our sources, the McLaren V12 (a modified S70) and the M8’s V12 were likely constructed by many of the same engineers hence a similar design and output but differed in areas such as overall length due to the horizontal intakes for a front engine layout if the 8 compared to the vertical intakes of a mid-engined car. The McLaren engine, from a design standpoint, shared quite a lot of characteristics and parts with the S50 engine of the E36 M3.
This all sounded a little vague, and things only got much more confusing when I asked BMW to clarify things.

First BMW sent me two links. The second was to the BMW archive’s official data sheet on the McLaren F1's S70/2. The first was to the BMW archive’s official data sheet on the S70/1. Only this data sheet said that the engine was a 5.6 liter, putting out a good-for-its-time 380 horsepower.

I replied, saying that I’d read that the engine in the M8 was a 6064cc engine. Was I wrong?

No, I wasn’t, as BMW (de-)clarified. The S70/1 was also the name given to the engine that was also called the S70B56, the production engine for the BMW 850CSi. That was the S70/1, but it wasn’t the same S70/1 that was in the M8 prototype. I asked for more of an explanation as to how the engines were different, and BMW sent me back this in an email:

This topic is quite complicated. Therefore I would like to give you another help.

Please find the technical differences between “S70B56” and S70/2 enclosed.

The chronology of the engine was:

S70/1 was developed for the BMW M8

The S70B56 was developed for the BMW M850CSi (S70/1 and S70B56 are sometimes named the same but have different capacities)

S70/2 was developed for the McLaren F1 serial car

S70/3 was developed for the McLaren F1 GTR

Finally, the S70/3 was modified for the BMW V12 LMR and then called P75
I started to google around various combinations of “M8 Prototype” + “McLaren F1" + “S70/1,” getting mostly posts and re-posts of that old BMW Blog article, until I found a familiar name on a forum post from the time: Peloton25. For those of you who are not students of the McLaren F1, Peloton25 knows everything there is to know about these cars. He has read every book, seen every car, met every engineer.

When one person on VWVortex supposed that the M8 Prototype’s engine became the heart of the unique McLaren F1, Peloton25 set the record straight:

Actually the final portion of your comment is not factual. It gets somewhat confusing, but try to follow paying close attention to each engine’s specific name in bold to make things more clear.

The standard 850i and 750i/iL BMW models used the M70 engine. It was a 5.0L V12 with one camshaft per cylinder bank and 24 valves that made around 300hp and was used from late 1989 until 1993. Later on in 1994 they would increase the displacement of the M70 to 5.4L creating the M73 which offered 326hp, at the same time changing the name of the car to the 850Ci. The M73 became the standard V12 engine until 1999 when 850 production finally ended.

From the original M70 BMW Motorsport developed the S70/1 in 1990 which they only built one of. It was close to 6.0L in displacement, had two cams per bank, with 48 valves total and reportedly made close to 550hp. This single engine was developed for the BMW M8 concept which never saw production.

In 1992 BMW also began offering the 850CSi which carried the S70 engine. It was essentially a single cam version of the S70/1, with 24 valves and a reduction from ~6.0L down to 5.6L. This engine was good for 380hp.

Backing up a little, the story goes that Gordon Murray’s old friend Paul Rosche, chief engineer at BMW Motorsport, approached him in 1990 at the Hockenheim Grand Prix to inquire about the engine plans for McLaren’s sports car project. At the time Murray still had not found a suitable powerplant for the F1 and he knew he was running out of time. Rosche offered up that his group could build the engine for the F1. It was at that time Rosche mentioned the 48V version of the 850's V12 (S70/1) that they had been developing which he thought would suit Murray’s needs.

Quoting from “Driving Ambition”:

On October 25th, 1990, Gordon visited Munich. The hopped up production V12 would not do: “Too big and heavy. Definitely not for us. Then Paul asked ‘What do you really want?’, so I told him: big displacement in the smallest possible package-size — absolutley no more than 600mm long — revving to around seven-five — 550-plus bhp — maximum weight 250kg — rigid enough to work as a load-bearing structural member — dry-sump lubrication to minimize overall height and avoid surge in high-G cornering.

And Paul simply said ‘We’ll do a new engine’.”

Gordon had instructed the team of Motorsport engineers that power-to-weight was the bottom line and to consider that in everything that they did. “Never use a 10mm bolt when 9mm would do - consider weight as driving the design.” He could see them obviously thinking ‘who is this loony, telling us how to design engines?’ but Paul Rosche backed him up.

The final engine that Motorsport developed out performed McLaren’s 550hp target by 14 percent at 627hp. It met the 600mm length requirement, but with all necessary ancillaries, exhaust system and silencer it overshot the weight target by about 16kg. Gordon would forgive them that - 6.4 percent overweight was more than compensated for by 14 percent extra power of course. The first completed S70/2 V12 was delivered to McLaren for fitment to one of their test mules March 4th 1992.
We’ve used Driving Ambition before, a memoir from an engineer who helped develop the McLaren F1. It’s a trustworthy source, and a good explanation of how the M8 prototype fits into the BMW V12 timeline. It may have been the contender for the F1's powerplant, but it was too big, physically big, to make it all work. It was an engine of extraordinary design, but the McLaren F1 needed to operate on a level above.

So the S70/1, the S70/1 in the M8, not the S70/1 in the 850CSi, was great and wonderful and powerful and beautiful. But it was too much for any normal road car, and not enough for that high water mark of the McLaren F1. It ended up lost in the middle.

That’s kind of a shame. I wish I might just once hear it road, those twelve throttle bodies barking down some test track, running away.
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That looks better.
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For shits and giggles I just colorized that weird body part above the diffuser and it looks 100000x better. This is how it should have came from the factory

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It still looks like a Camero to me.
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I'd drive that car all damn day. Gorgeous!!!
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https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/17/...-in-new-spy-p/

One of our spy photographers caught the upcoming 2020 BMW 8 Series out testing with nearly no camouflage covering it. The resulting photos give us our best look yet at the flagship convertible. While it does pretty much look like an 8 Series coupe with a retractable roof, there are a couple of very subtle changes.

Among those changes are the grille and the wheels. The lower outboard grilles feature a chrome crossbar and a vertical chrome accent. On the M850i coupe and the convertible prototypes we've seen, the crossbar is absent. The wheels are of a new multispoke design that isn't available on the M850i coupe as a standard or optional feature. They haven't been seen on convertible prototypes, either.

These changes may suggest this is a different trim level of 8 Series, maybe even with a different engine than the twin-turbocharged V8 of the M850i. But we can't say for sure, since contradicting that idea is a taped-over badge on this convertible's fender that's in the same place and roughly the same size as the M850i's M badge. Also, the rear fascia of the convertible is identical to the M850i convertible, down to the parallelogram-shaped exhaust tips. As such, it's also possible these cosmetic changes are just ways to differentiate an M850i convertible from the coupe.

Since BMW just revealed the 2019 8 Series coupe this year, we're expecting the convertible to follow next year. This is also likely considering that BMW has been testing the car simultaneously with the coupe, and this latest version is almost completely uncovered in the coupe's debut light blue color. It will probably offer the same engines as the coupe, meaning that it will have at least the V8 from the M850i, and possibly a lower-power engine option not long after launch.





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Ugh what the hell happened???? It looks more like a modified / updated 6 series now
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To be honest, it does not look bad.. but it just does not look anything special for a $120k - $130k car...
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I saw it in person at the BMW Welt museum/exhibit. It looks great to my eyes. Of course, it's huge as well.

Nowind is right though, it doesn't look becoming of its price. The i8 does, aside from it's dinky tire width.

Even more damning though is that the LC looks freaking stunning. Some guy in the building across from me drives one and I break my neck every time.
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Platform: The 8-series Gran Coupe will ride on a cut-and-sewn version of BMWs Cluster Architecture (CLAR) platform, which also underpins the current 5-series, and is built with a mixture of various materials including steel, aluminum, and carbon fiber.
This is just a 6 series replacement and BMW wanted to charge you $30k more on the starting MSRP: $85k starting for 650i vs. $115k on the M850i

Why? because 8 > 6 = more expensive
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Ugh what the hell happened???? It looks more like a modified / updated 6 series now
That car is definitely not nearly as nice as my brother's (not his actual car)


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I would not call bangle 6 series Nice looking, but i love the V10 motor tho.

I still think yours looks much better.
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I loved the Bangle 6 series. I still think it looks sexy AF.

Makes the new 8 series look like absolute ass.
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I keep looking at the back of the 8 series convertible, and keep thinking I'm looking at another horrendous, over the top, Lexus design.
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This is what they gave us in the beginning!

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