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Originally posted by Dan Martin
lol, sorry Kiteboy, that's my sig...
I was totally agreeing with you hence the "i'm with stupid" sign. Just like those fat hics that walk around Nascar meets with the "I'm with stupid" t-shirts with an arrow pointing to their wife.
I think the quote in my sig is paraphrased from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.
lol, sorry Kiteboy, that's my sig...
I was totally agreeing with you hence the "i'm with stupid" sign. Just like those fat hics that walk around Nascar meets with the "I'm with stupid" t-shirts with an arrow pointing to their wife.
I think the quote in my sig is paraphrased from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.
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I hope they offer a true manual and not just SMG. SMG has not gotten rave reviews, a true manual is still preferred.
500hp, 7 speeds, wow. And imagine Dinan and company will probably turbo or superchage it. Amazing.
I'd rock the new 5. And SURELY the E39 M5. Drooooooooool
500hp, 7 speeds, wow. And imagine Dinan and company will probably turbo or superchage it. Amazing.
I'd rock the new 5. And SURELY the E39 M5. Drooooooooool
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Originally posted by Dan Martin
lol, sorry Kiteboy, that's my sig...
I was totally agreeing with you hence the "i'm with stupid" sign. Just like those fat hics that walk around Nascar meets with the "I'm with stupid" t-shirts with an arrow pointing to their wife.
I think the quote in my sig is paraphrased from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.
lol, sorry Kiteboy, that's my sig...
I was totally agreeing with you hence the "i'm with stupid" sign. Just like those fat hics that walk around Nascar meets with the "I'm with stupid" t-shirts with an arrow pointing to their wife.
I think the quote in my sig is paraphrased from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.
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M stands for Monster: New M5 promises to be BMW's hottest production sedan ever - - By GREG KABLE - - Source: Autoweek
2006 BMW M5
ON SALE: 2005
BASE PRICE: $80,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 5.0-liter, 500-hp, 369-lb-ft V10; rwd, seven-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3900 pounds (est.)
0 to 60 MPH: 4.7 seconds (est.)
Replacing a landmark car is never easy. When the landmark car has whipped every conceivable rival in convincing fashion in its lifetime, the job is even harder. And that's the task the new BMW M5 faces. Its iconic predecessor set the sport sedan standard for six years, until it ceased production late last year.
Rather than rest on its laurels and simply refine a winning package, BMW's M division has dug deep into its development coffers to raise the four-door stakes-again.
The concept behind the new M5 is the same as always: "To blend an unobtrusive appearance with a high-performance engine and premium levels of sedan car comfort." But this execution is different, more courageous than any in the model's 20-year history.
Everything you need to know about Munich's new 155-mph four-door flyer is summed up in the sophistication of the monster engine behind the signature kidney grille. This F1-inspired V10 signals the M division's newfound determination to not only demolish its rivals on driving finesse, but to do so with outright grunt as well.
By replacing the previous model's 4.9-liter V8 with a 5.0-liter V10, BMW elevates the performance potential to a higher plane. Displacement has barely changed, but output has shot up by 100 hp to a tantalizing 500 hp-and in the process, that magic 100-hp-per-liter that has long been an M division forte has been achieved. Torque is up, too, with 369 lb-ft concentrated in the first half of the rev range.
The V10's fundamentals are much like the old V8's: 90-degree architecture, aluminum construction, four valves per cylinder. But numer-ous refinements have been made to the internal structure, variable valve timing (Double Vanos in BMW-speak), electronically controlled individual throttle butterflies and in-house-develop-ed engine management system designed to sharpen throttle response.
Rather than resort to forced induction like rivals AMG and Audi Sport do with the E55 and RS6, respectively, BMW engineers rely on a heavy dose of revs to achieve the 25 percent increase in power. If rumors circulating at the M5's unveiling at Geneva in March hold true, the new engine will rev close to 8500 rpm in production trim.
M division development boss Gerhard Richter masterminded the V10, which is also earmarked for the M6 due out next year. "It really is quite special," Richter says. "There are some trick internals that let it rev quite high. You won't be disappointed!"
Proof of this is reflected in the acceleration. With a projected 0-to-60-mph time around 4.7 seconds, the new M5 is a full 0.6 second faster than its predecessor. Even more impressive is its 0-to-120-mph split, which is put at a sports car-like 12.7 seconds. Like all M cars, top speed is limited to 155 mph, although Richter hints it would be capable of something closer to 185 mph.
A new seven-speed version of BMW's sequential manual gearbox, based on the six-speed the M3 uses, will be offered as an alternative to a more traditional seven-speed manual. SMG actu-ation is via twin paddles fixed to the steering wheel or a stubby, chromed-topped gear lever. As in the M3, the driver can choose from among 11 different programs-five automatic modes, six manual ones-to alter the gear-change characteristics.
The aggressive stance of the BMW M5 concept car unveiled in Geneva was honed in the wind tunnel to take full advantage of the V10 powerplant under the hood. The chromed gills in the front fender appear to be a new M car signature.
The M5's substantial power is channeled through a beefed-up version of BMW's limited-slip M differential. It measures the difference in wheel rotations left to right, and apportions power via an electronically controlled clutch, depend-- ing on traction levels. The trick rear axle is allied to a fourth-generation version of BMW's Dynamic Stability Control and Traction system.
Underneath is a reworked rear-wheel-drive 5 Series platform beefed up with components taken from the flagship 7 Series, including parts of its rear axle and brakes. Dry-sump lubri-cation allows BMW to set the engine aftward and closer to the ground than the standard inline six and V8 engines offered in the 5 Series. Weight distribution is 50/50. The entire load-bearing structure forward of the A-pillars is made from a mix of aluminum and lightweight high-tensile steel. Still, BMW remains tight-lipped on actual weight until closer to the production version's unveiling at the Paris motor show in September. Our estimates put it around 3900 pounds.
BMW used the demanding Nürburgring Nordschleife to refine the car's MacPherson strut front and multilink rear suspension. Richter won't give specifics, but he says the geometry has been revised with track lengths providing a "substantially larger footprint than the 5 Series." A lot of develop-- ment work also has been focus-ed on stiffening the subframes to which the suspension is attached and minimizing unsprung weight through a "heavier concentration of aluminum components."
Given the M division's traditional attention to detail, it seems safe to assume the new M5's steering will be more direct than ever. The new car will use a modified Active Steering system that is optional on the 5 Series. Expect loads of feedback, too, for there is plenty of rubber in contact with the road. The lightweight 10-spoke alloys are shod with generously sized 225/40ZR front and 285/35ZR rear Michelin Pilot Sport tires.
We can't yet know whether the new M5 will retain the reputation for sport sedan greatness, but we can be consoled in knowing it at least looks the part. As these pictures reveal, the new car looks every bit as determined as its mechanical specifications suggest.
While changes from the standard 5 Series are subtle, they have all been finely honed in the wind tunnel and are entirely functional. There is no pretense, just parts that get the job done. There is a deep air dam with three cooling ducts, generously flared wheel arches, chunkier side sills and a complex rear bumper with a central diffuser designed to draw hot air away from the differential.
In what is likely to become an M car signature, this 5 sports chromed gills behind its front wheel arches and four chromed tailpipes poking out in pairs from each side at the rear. Also, 19-inch alloy wheels-8.5 inches wide at the front, 9.5 at the rear.
If Richter can be believed, then M division's chief designer Ulf Weidhase has done his job well. "It's got real presence on the road," he enthuses. "When we were out testing with final prototypes on public roads it was instantly spotted as being more than a normal 5 Series."
When the new M5 reaches North American showrooms sometime next year, it is almost certainly going to cost more than the car it replaces. With the price premium will come higher levels of technology, added performance, and as luxurious an interior as any in the BMW lineup. The new M5 might be more powerful than ever, but it's apparent M car buyers still enjoy their comfort, too.
2006 BMW M5
ON SALE: 2005
BASE PRICE: $80,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 5.0-liter, 500-hp, 369-lb-ft V10; rwd, seven-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3900 pounds (est.)
0 to 60 MPH: 4.7 seconds (est.)
Replacing a landmark car is never easy. When the landmark car has whipped every conceivable rival in convincing fashion in its lifetime, the job is even harder. And that's the task the new BMW M5 faces. Its iconic predecessor set the sport sedan standard for six years, until it ceased production late last year.
Rather than rest on its laurels and simply refine a winning package, BMW's M division has dug deep into its development coffers to raise the four-door stakes-again.
The concept behind the new M5 is the same as always: "To blend an unobtrusive appearance with a high-performance engine and premium levels of sedan car comfort." But this execution is different, more courageous than any in the model's 20-year history.
Everything you need to know about Munich's new 155-mph four-door flyer is summed up in the sophistication of the monster engine behind the signature kidney grille. This F1-inspired V10 signals the M division's newfound determination to not only demolish its rivals on driving finesse, but to do so with outright grunt as well.
By replacing the previous model's 4.9-liter V8 with a 5.0-liter V10, BMW elevates the performance potential to a higher plane. Displacement has barely changed, but output has shot up by 100 hp to a tantalizing 500 hp-and in the process, that magic 100-hp-per-liter that has long been an M division forte has been achieved. Torque is up, too, with 369 lb-ft concentrated in the first half of the rev range.
The V10's fundamentals are much like the old V8's: 90-degree architecture, aluminum construction, four valves per cylinder. But numer-ous refinements have been made to the internal structure, variable valve timing (Double Vanos in BMW-speak), electronically controlled individual throttle butterflies and in-house-develop-ed engine management system designed to sharpen throttle response.
Rather than resort to forced induction like rivals AMG and Audi Sport do with the E55 and RS6, respectively, BMW engineers rely on a heavy dose of revs to achieve the 25 percent increase in power. If rumors circulating at the M5's unveiling at Geneva in March hold true, the new engine will rev close to 8500 rpm in production trim.
M division development boss Gerhard Richter masterminded the V10, which is also earmarked for the M6 due out next year. "It really is quite special," Richter says. "There are some trick internals that let it rev quite high. You won't be disappointed!"
Proof of this is reflected in the acceleration. With a projected 0-to-60-mph time around 4.7 seconds, the new M5 is a full 0.6 second faster than its predecessor. Even more impressive is its 0-to-120-mph split, which is put at a sports car-like 12.7 seconds. Like all M cars, top speed is limited to 155 mph, although Richter hints it would be capable of something closer to 185 mph.
A new seven-speed version of BMW's sequential manual gearbox, based on the six-speed the M3 uses, will be offered as an alternative to a more traditional seven-speed manual. SMG actu-ation is via twin paddles fixed to the steering wheel or a stubby, chromed-topped gear lever. As in the M3, the driver can choose from among 11 different programs-five automatic modes, six manual ones-to alter the gear-change characteristics.
The aggressive stance of the BMW M5 concept car unveiled in Geneva was honed in the wind tunnel to take full advantage of the V10 powerplant under the hood. The chromed gills in the front fender appear to be a new M car signature.
The M5's substantial power is channeled through a beefed-up version of BMW's limited-slip M differential. It measures the difference in wheel rotations left to right, and apportions power via an electronically controlled clutch, depend-- ing on traction levels. The trick rear axle is allied to a fourth-generation version of BMW's Dynamic Stability Control and Traction system.
Underneath is a reworked rear-wheel-drive 5 Series platform beefed up with components taken from the flagship 7 Series, including parts of its rear axle and brakes. Dry-sump lubri-cation allows BMW to set the engine aftward and closer to the ground than the standard inline six and V8 engines offered in the 5 Series. Weight distribution is 50/50. The entire load-bearing structure forward of the A-pillars is made from a mix of aluminum and lightweight high-tensile steel. Still, BMW remains tight-lipped on actual weight until closer to the production version's unveiling at the Paris motor show in September. Our estimates put it around 3900 pounds.
BMW used the demanding Nürburgring Nordschleife to refine the car's MacPherson strut front and multilink rear suspension. Richter won't give specifics, but he says the geometry has been revised with track lengths providing a "substantially larger footprint than the 5 Series." A lot of develop-- ment work also has been focus-ed on stiffening the subframes to which the suspension is attached and minimizing unsprung weight through a "heavier concentration of aluminum components."
Given the M division's traditional attention to detail, it seems safe to assume the new M5's steering will be more direct than ever. The new car will use a modified Active Steering system that is optional on the 5 Series. Expect loads of feedback, too, for there is plenty of rubber in contact with the road. The lightweight 10-spoke alloys are shod with generously sized 225/40ZR front and 285/35ZR rear Michelin Pilot Sport tires.
We can't yet know whether the new M5 will retain the reputation for sport sedan greatness, but we can be consoled in knowing it at least looks the part. As these pictures reveal, the new car looks every bit as determined as its mechanical specifications suggest.
While changes from the standard 5 Series are subtle, they have all been finely honed in the wind tunnel and are entirely functional. There is no pretense, just parts that get the job done. There is a deep air dam with three cooling ducts, generously flared wheel arches, chunkier side sills and a complex rear bumper with a central diffuser designed to draw hot air away from the differential.
In what is likely to become an M car signature, this 5 sports chromed gills behind its front wheel arches and four chromed tailpipes poking out in pairs from each side at the rear. Also, 19-inch alloy wheels-8.5 inches wide at the front, 9.5 at the rear.
If Richter can be believed, then M division's chief designer Ulf Weidhase has done his job well. "It's got real presence on the road," he enthuses. "When we were out testing with final prototypes on public roads it was instantly spotted as being more than a normal 5 Series."
When the new M5 reaches North American showrooms sometime next year, it is almost certainly going to cost more than the car it replaces. With the price premium will come higher levels of technology, added performance, and as luxurious an interior as any in the BMW lineup. The new M5 might be more powerful than ever, but it's apparent M car buyers still enjoy their comfort, too.
05-11-2004, 05:15 PM
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BMW M5 - - Source: Autoexpress
These are exclusive spy-shots of the M5 power-saloon expected to debut in Paris in October 2004. The exterior of the M5 will be characterized by huge 19-inch wheels, wider door-sills, chrome-less window frames and an additional air-intake behind the front wheel houses. The front will be dominated by a bigger airdam, strongly reminding of the M3's front, the rear end will feature a clustered skirt and two pairs of exhaust pipes. The new M5's heart will be a 5.5-litre V10 developing 510 HP, plus seven-speed automatic gearbox. @Automedia
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hmm these 19" wheels look like the ones on the stock 7 series. My boss somehow on a freeway shreded his right rear tire and lost all rubber all the way down to the rim 
05-14-2004, 08:14 AM
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The trunk line and tail light design is growing on me.
The wheels aren't bad but I would have gone another way fosho.
Why, oh why can't they do something else with that fucking antenna on the roof?! something a little more low profile?! Foshaizzza!
The wheels aren't bad but I would have gone another way fosho.
Why, oh why can't they do something else with that fucking antenna on the roof?! something a little more low profile?! Foshaizzza!
05-21-2004, 02:24 PM
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500HP on 1700kg may sound impressive, but 370 pounds of torque on 1700kg, certainly does not sound impressive. And that, combined with the gearing, will make this car feel (or not feel) fast, or how fast.
Note that the C5 base car makes about that much torque and it weighs about 1430 kg. So one could say, that a base C5 car will feel faster than a next gen. M5. And that says a lot.
Also, I just cant buy the "force feeding= more torque = heavier tranny = heavier overall car" I mean come on! That would give you what?...30-40 more kg? Max! That's a weak argument.
Note that the C5 base car makes about that much torque and it weighs about 1430 kg. So one could say, that a base C5 car will feel faster than a next gen. M5. And that says a lot.
Also, I just cant buy the "force feeding= more torque = heavier tranny = heavier overall car" I mean come on! That would give you what?...30-40 more kg? Max! That's a weak argument.
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I'm still not impressed, should I jump when bmw puts a nice engine in an ugly, overpriced, heavy ass sedan?
the m5 was spotted in the usa ->
and the interior sucks as bad as the base five.
the m5 was spotted in the usa ->
and the interior sucks as bad as the base five.
05-21-2004, 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
you people are insane.....it's a friggen v10 from ///M
you people are insane.....it's a friggen v10 from ///M
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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
my bad its a m3 interior i think
my bad its a m3 interior i think
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Originally posted by scalbert
Have we seen the gearing numbers yet?? It may be using the 8k redline and aggressive gearing to make up for its torque deficit.
Have we seen the gearing numbers yet?? It may be using the 8k redline and aggressive gearing to make up for its torque deficit.
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Originally posted by goldmemberer
The M will always outhandle the competition, but in terms of raw power, Audi, Mercedes, and the Americans are total brutes. BMW is gonna have a tough time matching them without some kind of F/I.
The M will always outhandle the competition, but in terms of raw power, Audi, Mercedes, and the Americans are total brutes. BMW is gonna have a tough time matching them without some kind of F/I.
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Originally posted by gavriil
Not that I know of and I agree with what you're saying, though I cant imagine this sedan's gearing would be much more aggressive than a C5's with a 6 speed manual. They should be more aggressive due to the "7 speed total" factor, but still...
Not that I know of and I agree with what you're saying, though I cant imagine this sedan's gearing would be much more aggressive than a C5's with a 6 speed manual. They should be more aggressive due to the "7 speed total" factor, but still...
Being able to make torque at high revs helps with selecting gearing.
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damn that is beautiful, but its suprising how low the torwque is on the current m's. Also i think they under rating the 0-60 times, i would assume with that kind of power it should be roughly 4.5 or less?
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Well bimmers website put the previous M5 at 0-60 in 4.5.
So, if the new M5 gets the same numbers, then all that increase is just to make up for all the added weight. Granted im sure the bigger engine does a better job at high end speeds.
Its still ugly and the interior still sucks
So, if the new M5 gets the same numbers, then all that increase is just to make up for all the added weight. Granted im sure the bigger engine does a better job at high end speeds.
Its still ugly and the interior still sucks
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This member here sounds like he saw a real mule testing and talking to the driver. The driver said:
"he said it had a 8500+redline, its smg shifter faster then the m3's, and that his car didnt have a restrictor and he had gone 185 mph and had room to go. He said our tests proved that the car does 0-60 in 3.95 seconds"
"he said it had a 8500+redline, its smg shifter faster then the m3's, and that his car didnt have a restrictor and he had gone 185 mph and had room to go. He said our tests proved that the car does 0-60 in 3.95 seconds"
05-27-2004, 12:16 AM
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that looks pretty god damn badass.
