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Old 12-14-2016, 01:03 PM   #1801
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Ya, weight is one of the shortcomings of the F10 5 series. For comparison, the E60 550i auto is less than 4100lb while the F10 550i is over 4400lb.

I think the data you posted for the F10 535i is for a 6MT model. The 8AT one is slightly faster for 60mph and 100mph, but slower for 130mph.

That of course doesn't take away that the new G30 540i is fast. Just wanna see some more formal testing figures.
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Not bad, considering there are more standard equipment.

For reference:

Current F10 5 series:
528i - $50800
528i Xdrive - $52500
535i - $55850
535i xdrive - $58150


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  • WEIGHT REDUCTION OF UP TO 137 LBS THROUGH EXTENSIVE USE OF ALUMINUM, MAGNESIUM AND HIGH-STRENGTH STEEL.
  • IMPROVED PERFORMANCE AND DYNAMICS WITH IMPROVED STEERING FEEL, AVAILABLE ADAPTIVE MODE AND ALL-NEW 4-CYLINDER AND 6-CYLINDER TWINPOWER TURBO ENGINES, WITH AN OUTPUT INCREASE OF 35 HP ON THE 6-CYLINDER.
  • STANDARD EQUIPMENT ENHANCEMENTS INCLUDE ADAPTIVE LED HEADLIGHTS, SPORT SEATS, 18-INCH WHEELS AND AN ANTHRACITE HEADLINER.
  • LATEST IDRIVE 6.0 SYSTEM AND IMPROVED DRIVER ASSISTANCE SYSTEMS.
Woodcliff Lake, NJ – December 21, 2016… Today, BMW announced pricing for the all-new BMW 5 Series, arriving in U.S. showrooms February 11, 2017, shortly after its world premiere at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

BMW 530i will be available for $51,200
BMW 530i xDrive model for $53,500
BMW 540i will be available for $56,450
BMW 540i xDrive model for $58,750,

Destination and Handling is $995.

Standard equipment now includes Adaptive LED Headlights, Sport Seats, Active Protection, Fatigue and Focus Alert as well as an 18-inch Double-Spoke Wheels and an Anthracite headliner enhancing the sporty character of the latest BMW Sport Sedan.

The all-new BMW 5 Series has been entirely newly developed allowing for a significant weight loss of up to 137 lbs with the use of aluminum, magnesium, and high-strength steel. Thanks to the available state of the art chassis systems including Dynamic Damper Control with Adaptive Mode and Integral Active Steering, now combinable with xDrive, BMW’s intelligent all-wheel drive system, Driver Assistance Systems and Parking Assistance Systems, the all-new BMW 5 Series once more defines the athletic and executive design of a true sport sedan. Featuring a new user interface (iDrive 6.0) including an 8.8” Dynamic Digital Instrument Cluster, available Gesture Control, the latest generation of Head-Up Display, Remote 3D View and an improved Voice Control with natural voice input, the 2017 BMW 5 Series marks a new era of personalized connectivity. The BMW 5 Series is the most innovative BMW 5 Series to date, with BMW’s latest Advanced Driver Assistance Systems clearing the way towards semi-automated driving.

At launch, the 7th generation BMW 5 Series will be available as a 530i, 530i xDrive, 540i and 540i xDrive models with the BMW M550i xDrive and BMW 530e and 530e xDrive iPerformance models arriving at dealers in spring.
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6 series GC is dead....You know what they replace it with? 6GT...
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6 series GC is dead....You know what they replace it with? 6GT...
Seriously?! That sucks! The 6GC was, hands down, their best design.
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Yes i agree. every time a 6GC passes me, i drool... which rarely happens nowadays with any car.

It will be replaced by 8 series... Coupe and GC....

but the word 6GT scares me

But it is not going away any time soon. Not until the 8 series is ready.

The good news is, they are saying the 5GT will be gone after this model run :woohoo:

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Upcoming new models:

- These are just US market models, EU is simply too varied to type in all combinations.
- Model years marked with (?) are only best guesses.

2017 G30 5er - March 2017
- 530e sDrive
- 530e xDrive
- M550i xDrive

2018 F32/F33/F36/F82/F83 4er/M4 LCI
- 430i
- 440i
- M4

2018 F22/F23/F87 2er/M2 LCI - July 2017
- 230i
- M240i
- M2

2018 (?) G30 5er
- 540d xDrive B57 (possibly xDrive only)

2018 G32 6GT
- 640i xDrive
- Will get the same engines as the other G3x models, including the hybrid.

2018 (?) F39 X2
- sDrive28i
- xDrive28i
- xDrive M35i

2018 G01 X3
- sDrive30i
- xDrive30i
- xDrive30e
- xDrive30d
- xDrive M40i

2019 G20 3er (choice of sDrive RWD or xDrive AWD for all models)
- 320i
- 330i
- 330d
- 330e
- M340i

2019 G02 X4
- xDrive30i
- xDrive M40i

2019 G05 X5
- sDrive40i
- xDrive40i
- xDrive40d
- xDrive40e
- xDrive50i

2019 (?) G07 X7
- xDrive40i
- xDrive40d
- xDrive50d

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EOP for current models:

F07 5GT - 06/17
F12 6er - 10/18
F13 6er - 10/18
F06 6GC - 02/19

F25 X3 - 07/17
F26 X4 - 07/18

F15 X5 - 07/18
F16 X6 - 07/19

F30 3er - 10/18
F80 M3 - 10/18
F31 3er - 06/19
F34 3GT - 03/20
F32 4er - 06/20
F82 M4 - 06/20
F33 4er - 10/20
F83 M4 - 10/20
F36 4GC - 02/21

F22 2er - 10/20
F23 2er - 10/21

F48 X1 - 06/22

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^ Just means you've got a rare beast Chief.
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Hopefully that will help your resale value
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First world problem - i was expecting more power from the new M5.

Interesting, they are putting ZF8 to replace the 7 DCT.


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The BMW M5 will turn 32 years of rear-wheel-drive performance car tradition on its head this year with the introduction of the brand's first four-wheel-drive on the model.

The German super-saloon is set to run a reworked version of the outgoing fifth-generation model’s twin-turbocharged V8 petrol engine, producing upwards of 592bhp [600hp], along with a standard eight-speed automatic gearbox.

The four-wheel-drive model is described by senior BMW officials as not only the most powerful and fastest accelerating but also the most dynamically capable and technically advanced M5 yet.

BMW senior vice-president Hildegard Wortmann told Autocar last month that the model will be as significant as the latest 7 Series in defining the next generation of performance models.

Wortmann explained that in the same way that the 7 Series has set the agenda for upcoming driverless technology, the new M5 will represent the next generation of M-branded cars.

“You will see in this car where we will take the [M] brand from here,” she said. “I’ve driven it on track and it’s really special. The engineers have done an excellent job. It’s outrageous.”

Following an illustrious line of rear-wheel-drive-only predecessors, the new M5 is scheduled to make its world debut at the Frankfurt motor show in September before going on sale in the UK at a price expected to eclipse the £73,985 of the outgoing M5.

The newest member of M division’s line-up will challenge the recently introduced 603bhp twin-turbocharged 4.0-litre V8-powered Mercedes-AMG E63 S 4Matic and the successor to today’s 560bhp twin-turbocharged 4.0-litre V8-powered Audi RS6, which is planned for introduction next year.

The starting point for the sixth-generation M5 is the latest 5 Series, which is codenamed G30. The new M5 will feature a re-engineered body structure with a number of weight-saving initiatives, including greater use of aluminium and hot-formed high-strength steel as well as carbonfibre for the roof and bootlid. The new M5 is claimed to weigh close to the 1870kg of its predecessor despite a moderate increase in its exterior dimensions and the inclusion of the four-wheel drive hardware.

The new body structure was leaked on the internet in a series of CAD/CAM images late last year. It’s claimed to provide the new M5 with vastly improved torsional rigidity and the basis for a significant change in chassis tuning compared with the outgoing M5, which was introduced to the UK in 2011.

Visually, the new car is set apart from other current 5 Series models by extensively restyled bumpers, an altered kidney grille design, wider front wings with chromed vent elements behind the front wheel arches to extract hot air from the engine bay, M-specific mirror housings, wider sills, a prominent rear diffuser element and signature quad chromed tailpipes.

Dimensionally, the M5 has grown. Length is up by 36mm to 4935mm and the car is now around 8mm wider, at 1870mm. The wheelbase is also 7mm longer than that of its predecessor, at 2975mm. In combination with front and rear tracks that extend beyond the 1625mm and 1580mm of today’s model, this provides the M5 with a larger footprint than at any time since its introduction in 1981.

Power for the new M5 comes from a heavily reworked version of today’s twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 petrol engine, which carries the S63 designation. It features a modified induction process with changes to the intercooler and new twin-scroll turbochargers for improved combustion and thermal properties.

The 90deg V8 is said to deliver greater power and torque than the limited-volume M5 Competition Package model launched as a swansong for the old M5 last year. With 592bhp and 516lb ft of torque, that model has the distinction of being most powerful M5 yet.

For context, the most powerful variant of the latest 5 Series, the new M550i xDrive, runs a milder version of the twin-turbo V8, developing 456bhp and 480lb ft.

Channelling the new M5’s prodigious reserves to the road is an eight-speed torque-converter automatic gearbox. The replacement for the existing seven-speed dual-clutch automatic unit is based around the standard ZF-produced gearbox used in other 5 Series models. Software will provide up to five driving modes, including an M Dynamic setting, accessed through buttons mounted on the steering wheel.

The new gearbox is allied to a specially developed version of BMW’s xDrive all-wheel drive system, which uses a multiplate wet clutch located in the gearbox on the output to the front driveshaft. It provides a continuously variable split between front and rear axles.

In M Dynamic mode, the four-wheel drive system is programmed to deliver 100% of drive to the rear wheels in a process similar to the drift mode made available on the latest E63 S.

With four-wheel drive providing added traction off the line, the new M5’s 0-62mph time is expected to dip well below that of its rear-wheel-drive predecessor and at least match the 3.5sec of the new E63. That would make it 0.4sec quicker than the now discontinued M5 Competition Package and an 0.8sec improvement on the standad version of the previous M5.

Top speed will again be restricted to 155mph, although an optional M Driver’s Package will enable buyers to raise it to 190mph with new engine management software and the fitment of Z-rated tyres.

Details of the new M5’s chassis set-up remain under wraps. However, engineers involved in its development say it adopts a largely bespoke double wishbone (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension system, together with new electro-mechanical steering that includes the active rearsteer function available on selected 5 Series models.

The new M5 will be built alongside other 5 Series models at BMW’s Dingolfing factory in Germany and production is set to begin shortly before its unveiling in September. As with its predecessor, the new model will be sold in saloon guise only.
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@ AWD M5. What’s next, a M5 Limousine?
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At least you have the option to drive 100% RWD with M Dynamic mode.
I think i am ok with the part time AWD.... best of both world. If they went with full time Quattro like system, then that is when riots will start.
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damnnnn we missed the memo. This was announced in December.

I suppose they are also trying to get in the ring more competitively with MB and Audi.
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^those are old renders. Obviously based on M3/M4.

Below are the renders based on the actual CAD, so i assume it will be very close.



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Looks quite good, but. E63 AMG S > *
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Previous Gen, yes.

The new ones? i am not sure, since C and E still look identical to me
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2018 M5 .... no manual tranny, but AWD w/ a 4.4L TWIN-TURBO V8 making "about" 600 hp [read: 592 hp], as noted in an earlier post.

Car & Driver: We Drive the Next-Gen, 2018 BMW M5!


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It is also worth mentioning that M5 unlike others, can be a true 100% RWD car with a button, instead of RWD under certain circumstances only type of thing.
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A VP at my office has a 540i M-Sport on order, should be here next month, replacing an '07 328i.
He had the green light on an M3, but took the 540 as a more practical daily.
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At VP level, 540 is more suitable than an M3, especially the interior. it would be a lot of appropriate to take guests for lunch than the relatively uncomfortable M3.
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That was part of his reasoning as well, along with the extra space inside.
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Yah as much as I love M3, i would do the same in his situation... Except i would push very hard for the M550 tho....

When you said he got the green light for an M3, do you mean company is paying for it or his wife gave him the green light?
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Wife said something to the effect of "you keep looking at that M3 in the showroom, are you sure you don't want that instead?"
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i am sure the wife would prefer the new 5's interior over the M3...

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I'm looking forward to checking it out when he takes delivery.
All I can remember is that he got the M-Sport, the mid level (not the $4k) audio system & the upgraded brakes.
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I am very curious how the dual projectors LED on the 5 is compare to my shitty reflector LEDs.
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I doubt I'll ever see it at night, but yours and his are both guaranteed to be worlds better than the garbage halogens that came in my F150
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I doubt I'll ever see it at night, but yours and his are both guaranteed to be worlds better than the garbage halogens that came in my F150
Yours were "free", i had to paid $1900 for mine and it is still shitty... so
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BMW has always had relatively terrible headlights visibility-wise.
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Based on my own cars' experience, i agree with you.

But i have had some loaners (same freaking 3 series), and somehow their headlight were much brighter and i could see much better than mine no matter how i adjusted mine...

It is weird.
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Loaners are generally bare bones, but maybe that loaner you had was equipped with projectors?

Then again, the BMW dealer my girlfriend goes to has an i8 for a loaner too... of course, it's never available.
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Loaners are generally bare bones, but maybe that loaner you had was equipped with projectors?

Then again, the BMW dealer my girlfriend goes to has an i8 for a loaner too... of course, it's never available.
How well equipped those loaners are depends on the dealership. They are owned by the dealership, so some might choose fully loaded or close to so it might be easier to sell later and also it is a good Marketing tool for sell new cars to the current owners. (that is how they sold me on the 4 series when i had my 3)
Some dealers are cheap, so they choose to get the stripper ones.

That specific loaner i had was a 328 with lighting package, which is the same as my previous 335. Both had the same HID with projectors but the output was very different, not the mention i had adjusted mine myself already.

Obviously, the type of loaner you get depends on what you have.
Generally 2,3,4 gets X1, 3, 4 and X3.
5, 6, 7 X5,X6 gets 5/6/X5
I think the only way you get the i8 is if you had an i8

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How well equipped those loaners are depends on the dealership. They are owned by the dealership, so some might choose fully loaded or close to so it might be easier to sell later and also it is a good Marketing tool for sell new cars to the current owners. (that is how they sold me on the 4 series when i had my 3)
Some dealers are cheap, so they choose to get the stripper ones.

That specific loaner i had was a 328 with lighting package, which is the same as my previous 335. Both had the same HID with projectors but the output was very different, not the mention i had adjusted mine myself already.

Obviously, the type of loaner you get depends on what you have.
Generally 2,3,4 gets X1, 3, 4 and X3.
5, 6, 7 X5,X6 gets 5/6/X5
I think the only way you get the i8 is if you had an i8
Guess our circumstance is different, gf has an '06 E90, pretty old to be bringing to a dealership still. But she has known her service adviser since college, so last time we kept an almost brand new F10 for almost 2 months

It was still pretty spartan. It had some basic trim package, but I didn't bother to remember because the Germans have too many packages and a la carte options. She gets her own choice though... last time she got a 2-series convertible.
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yah every dealership is different.

I once had a 328 loaner with 9 miles on the clock. Sticker $59k.
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We did the same thing with loaners when I was working at a local Chevrolet dealer.
Upper mid-level Silverados & Tahoes (TX Edition LT) and upper equipped LT Traverse & Equinox.

Easier to sell when they came out of rental service as CPOs than a stripper base model.
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What you guys are saying makes sense. Easier for someone to think "I'm buying a former rental, but it's fully loaded and for a great price" rather than "I got this former rental for cheap"
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Yah except they will never tell you that it is a "formal rental". Their term is Manager's car. Cuz they know no one really wants to buy a loaner.
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