BMW: 4-Series News
12-13-2013, 01:31 PM
#321
Senior Moderator
And here's the original E30 M3...
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01-15-2014, 02:45 PM
#322
Suzuka Master
From Autoblog
"When the BMW M3 and M4 debuted on Monday at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show, it was to much fanfare and excitement. At that time, though, we were missing a big piece of the M3/M4 puzzle - the price.
According to a report from our roundel-obsessed friends at Bimmerfest, the four-door M3 will star at $62,000, while the M4 Coupe is priced at $64,200. Those prices do not include a $925 destination charge. That's a pretty significant jump over the $56,275 starting price of the old M3 Sedan and $59,275 starting price of the last M3 Coupe, although we'd argue that these cars should easily outpace their V8 counterparts in terms of overall performance. In other news, a six-speed manual will come standard, while the seven-speed M DCT will be an optional extra.
Bimmerfest also came up with a timeline for the M3 and M4's arrival. We should expect the official announcement of pricing, along with the full order guides, released near the end of this month or in early February. Production will kick off in March, while customers will be able to begin placing orders in late April. We'll get our first crack at both cars in June, with deliveries beginning later that month.
As for the validity of this info, we're told that the source Bimmerfest spoke to is very well informed and that there's every reason to believe this info. So, while this isn't fact until it comes from the mouth of BMW, we aren't prescribing any salt with this particular story."
why is my local dealership asking $65k for the 435i
"When the BMW M3 and M4 debuted on Monday at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show, it was to much fanfare and excitement. At that time, though, we were missing a big piece of the M3/M4 puzzle - the price.
According to a report from our roundel-obsessed friends at Bimmerfest, the four-door M3 will star at $62,000, while the M4 Coupe is priced at $64,200. Those prices do not include a $925 destination charge. That's a pretty significant jump over the $56,275 starting price of the old M3 Sedan and $59,275 starting price of the last M3 Coupe, although we'd argue that these cars should easily outpace their V8 counterparts in terms of overall performance. In other news, a six-speed manual will come standard, while the seven-speed M DCT will be an optional extra.
Bimmerfest also came up with a timeline for the M3 and M4's arrival. We should expect the official announcement of pricing, along with the full order guides, released near the end of this month or in early February. Production will kick off in March, while customers will be able to begin placing orders in late April. We'll get our first crack at both cars in June, with deliveries beginning later that month.
As for the validity of this info, we're told that the source Bimmerfest spoke to is very well informed and that there's every reason to believe this info. So, while this isn't fact until it comes from the mouth of BMW, we aren't prescribing any salt with this particular story."
why is my local dealership asking $65k for the 435i
01-15-2014, 03:21 PM
#323
Azine Jabroni
01-15-2014, 03:30 PM
#324
Team Owner
01-15-2014, 03:31 PM
#325
Team Owner
From Autoblog
"When the BMW M3 and M4 debuted on Monday at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show, it was to much fanfare and excitement. At that time, though, we were missing a big piece of the M3/M4 puzzle - the price.
According to a report from our roundel-obsessed friends at Bimmerfest, the four-door M3 will star at $62,000, while the M4 Coupe is priced at $64,200. Those prices do not include a $925 destination charge. That's a pretty significant jump over the $56,275 starting price of the old M3 Sedan and $59,275 starting price of the last M3 Coupe, although we'd argue that these cars should easily outpace their V8 counterparts in terms of overall performance. In other news, a six-speed manual will come standard, while the seven-speed M DCT will be an optional extra.
Bimmerfest also came up with a timeline for the M3 and M4's arrival. We should expect the official announcement of pricing, along with the full order guides, released near the end of this month or in early February. Production will kick off in March, while customers will be able to begin placing orders in late April. We'll get our first crack at both cars in June, with deliveries beginning later that month.
As for the validity of this info, we're told that the source Bimmerfest spoke to is very well informed and that there's every reason to believe this info. So, while this isn't fact until it comes from the mouth of BMW, we aren't prescribing any salt with this particular story."
why is my local dealership asking $65k for the 435i
"When the BMW M3 and M4 debuted on Monday at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show, it was to much fanfare and excitement. At that time, though, we were missing a big piece of the M3/M4 puzzle - the price.
According to a report from our roundel-obsessed friends at Bimmerfest, the four-door M3 will star at $62,000, while the M4 Coupe is priced at $64,200. Those prices do not include a $925 destination charge. That's a pretty significant jump over the $56,275 starting price of the old M3 Sedan and $59,275 starting price of the last M3 Coupe, although we'd argue that these cars should easily outpace their V8 counterparts in terms of overall performance. In other news, a six-speed manual will come standard, while the seven-speed M DCT will be an optional extra.
Bimmerfest also came up with a timeline for the M3 and M4's arrival. We should expect the official announcement of pricing, along with the full order guides, released near the end of this month or in early February. Production will kick off in March, while customers will be able to begin placing orders in late April. We'll get our first crack at both cars in June, with deliveries beginning later that month.
As for the validity of this info, we're told that the source Bimmerfest spoke to is very well informed and that there's every reason to believe this info. So, while this isn't fact until it comes from the mouth of BMW, we aren't prescribing any salt with this particular story."
why is my local dealership asking $65k for the 435i
01-15-2014, 08:45 PM
#326
Senior Moderator
Its a lot of money but there are some wild technology in this car that are sometimes only found in exotics.
Plus sedan now comes with the carbon fiber roof standard.
Either way, hoping to get a used one in 2 years.
Plus sedan now comes with the carbon fiber roof standard.
Either way, hoping to get a used one in 2 years.
01-15-2014, 09:12 PM
#327
I drive a Subata.
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01-16-2014, 08:23 AM
#328
Suzuka Master
Not sure if this info is available yet. Are there any features in the fully loaded 435 that wont come standard with the M4?
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01-16-2014, 09:44 AM
#329
Engineer
The base M3/M4 will likely have some base wheels, no navigation, no sunroof, manual transmission, etc. Once you throw on the all the premium/tech/cold weather packages, 19" wheels, DCT it will likely be low 80k's for a fully loaded M3/M4. That is assuming you care for all these features, some don't.
Looking at the sticker for my E90, there are almost 20k in options.
01-16-2014, 11:32 AM
#330
I drive a Subata.
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Yeah, the 435i that I test drove last month was stickered at $62k. It had shitload of tech goodies.
I'm sure M3/4 will be like this. Stripped down version will not have much options. The goodies will come in at high price.
No problem though since this isn't the earth shattering Acura TLX.
I'm sure M3/4 will be like this. Stripped down version will not have much options. The goodies will come in at high price.
No problem though since this isn't the earth shattering Acura TLX.
01-16-2014, 04:38 PM
#331
Fahrvergnügen'd
I wouldn't consider it the same kind of car as a M435i to be honest. The S5 is more of a GT, whereas the M435i is absolutely intended to be a cheaper version of the M4 sports car.
Audi needs the B9 to be lighter and more powerful and slightly less expensive to compete with this new M-Sport car.
And Mercedes, I dunno what they're going to do about the C-Class coupe.
It's a matter of personal taste. I think the M435i as configured on BMW's website looks really bland. I still like the S5, despite the horrid wheels, but even with the refresh it's beginning to look like it needs a diet.
If I was going to spend $65K on a coupe, I'd probably be looking at barely used C63 AMG Coupes and CTS-V coupes a lot harder now that the M435i and S5 are creeping towards $70K.
01-16-2014, 04:50 PM
#332
I drive a Subata.
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If I was going to spend $65k on a brand new coupe, it'll be 435i optioned out to $46k.
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01-16-2014, 06:44 PM
#334
I drive a Subata.
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Honestly, all other craps are luxury options that I don't really care for.
It can definitely seem expensive to some people, but it's really one of the sweetest GT coupes we can buy today.
01-16-2014, 07:35 PM
#335
Itz JDM y0!
Love this car.. this is the one I'd get:
M Sport$3,100
Estoril Blue$550
Black Dakota Leather$1,450
Aluminum Hexagon interior trim$0
Lighting Package$1,900
19" Light Alloy Wheel Double-spoke Style442 M with Mixed Performance Tires$900
Manual Transmission$0
Heated front seats$500
BMW M USB Key$39
Destination & Handling:$925
MSRP: 55.4k
But at that point I'd wait for a slightly used CPO M4 for 5-6k more.
M Sport$3,100
Estoril Blue$550
Black Dakota Leather$1,450
Aluminum Hexagon interior trim$0
Lighting Package$1,900
19" Light Alloy Wheel Double-spoke Style442 M with Mixed Performance Tires$900
Manual Transmission$0
Heated front seats$500
BMW M USB Key$39
Destination & Handling:$925
MSRP: 55.4k
But at that point I'd wait for a slightly used CPO M4 for 5-6k more.
01-17-2014, 01:34 PM
#336
Team Owner
It's $67,400 fully loaded.
I wouldn't consider it the same kind of car as a M435i to be honest. The S5 is more of a GT, whereas the M435i is absolutely intended to be a cheaper version of the M4 sports car.
Audi needs the B9 to be lighter and more powerful and slightly less expensive to compete with this new M-Sport car.
And Mercedes, I dunno what they're going to do about the C-Class coupe.
It's a matter of personal taste. I think the M435i as configured on BMW's website looks really bland. I still like the S5, despite the horrid wheels, but even with the refresh it's beginning to look like it needs a diet.
If I was going to spend $65K on a coupe, I'd probably be looking at barely used C63 AMG Coupes and CTS-V coupes a lot harder now that the M435i and S5 are creeping towards $70K.
I wouldn't consider it the same kind of car as a M435i to be honest. The S5 is more of a GT, whereas the M435i is absolutely intended to be a cheaper version of the M4 sports car.
Audi needs the B9 to be lighter and more powerful and slightly less expensive to compete with this new M-Sport car.
And Mercedes, I dunno what they're going to do about the C-Class coupe.
It's a matter of personal taste. I think the M435i as configured on BMW's website looks really bland. I still like the S5, despite the horrid wheels, but even with the refresh it's beginning to look like it needs a diet.
If I was going to spend $65K on a coupe, I'd probably be looking at barely used C63 AMG Coupes and CTS-V coupes a lot harder now that the M435i and S5 are creeping towards $70K.
435i M sport's direct competitor is S5. and TLX
428 vs. A5
335 vs. S4
328 vs A4
RS5 vs. M4, C63 ATS-V
RS4 vs M3, C63 Coupe, ATS-V coupe
CTS-V is to compete with M5
i asked you to look at loaded S5 is to show $65k is "normal", expensive yes, but that s how much those classes cost. My 435 built was $53k. Msport + stick, Navi and HK sound. 435i standard option list is pretty long.
C63 starts in the $60s, like M3 and M4 but if you want a fully loaded, it will be 1 class higher than 435 and S5.
01-17-2014, 02:18 PM
#337
Fahrvergnügen'd
I'm not confused, but I don't think they are the same kind of car. Whether or not they are in the same price class or that Audi wants the A5/S5 to compete with the 4-series, I don't see them being the same car. But I understand what you're saying.
01-17-2014, 03:07 PM
#338
Team Owner
They are the same kind of car.
if you agree that 3 series compete with A4, then A5 (A4 coupe) is direct competition with 4 series (3 series coupe).
if you agree that 3 series compete with A4, then A5 (A4 coupe) is direct competition with 4 series (3 series coupe).
01-17-2014, 06:04 PM
#339
Senior Moderator
They not the same kind of car..the 435i xdrive is better.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2Z9D2NPvB
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2Z9D2NPvB
01-27-2014, 09:39 PM
#340
Senior Moderator
01-31-2014, 01:09 PM
#341
Some dude
Since they must smoke a lot of pot at BMW headquarters and forgot they make 3 series sedan... here's the 4 series Gran Coupe:
<a href="http://s13.photobucket.com/user/hottmike/media/Auto/ku-xlarge_zps38a17669.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/hottmike/Auto/ku-xlarge_zps38a17669.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo ku-xlarge_zps38a17669.jpg"/></a>
for comparison purposes here's the totally unrelated 3 series sedan:
<a href="http://s13.photobucket.com/user/hottmike/media/Auto/ku-xlarge-1_zps2d388fb2.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/hottmike/Auto/ku-xlarge-1_zps2d388fb2.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo ku-xlarge-1_zps2d388fb2.jpg"/></a>
<a href="http://s13.photobucket.com/user/hottmike/media/Auto/ku-xlarge_zps38a17669.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/hottmike/Auto/ku-xlarge_zps38a17669.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo ku-xlarge_zps38a17669.jpg"/></a>
for comparison purposes here's the totally unrelated 3 series sedan:
<a href="http://s13.photobucket.com/user/hottmike/media/Auto/ku-xlarge-1_zps2d388fb2.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/hottmike/Auto/ku-xlarge-1_zps2d388fb2.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo ku-xlarge-1_zps2d388fb2.jpg"/></a>
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01-31-2014, 01:53 PM
#343
I drive a Subata.
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Why the hell would they do that when there's 3 series?
A 6 series gran coupe makes perfect sense since it aligns with A7 and CLS, but this one.. maybe I'm missing something.
A 6 series gran coupe makes perfect sense since it aligns with A7 and CLS, but this one.. maybe I'm missing something.
01-31-2014, 02:18 PM
#344
Moderator
Although I'll admit to liking the overall shape of the 4GC better than the 3, I think this is getting rather ridiculous. It's like they're trying to fill every possible niche with a model.
01-31-2014, 02:22 PM
#345
Team Owner
slice it all they want. The more choices the better for consumers.
also you might wanna throw 3GT and 3 Touring in there too. talking about redundant.
also you might wanna throw 3GT and 3 Touring in there too. talking about redundant.
01-31-2014, 02:39 PM
#346
Some dude
BMW's current lineup consists of
5 sedans:
3 Series
4 Series Gran Coupe
5 Series
6 Series Gran Coupe
7 Series
4 Crossovers:
X1
X3
X5
X6
4 hatchbacks:
1 Series
3 Series Gran Turismo
5 Series Gran Turismo
i3
4 coupes:
2 Series
4 Series
6 Series
i8
3 convertible:
4 Series
6 Series
Z4
2 wagons:
3 Series
5 Series
That's 22 models total and 19 for the states (no wagons or 1 Series) if I'm not missing anything.
5 sedans:
3 Series
4 Series Gran Coupe
5 Series
6 Series Gran Coupe
7 Series
4 Crossovers:
X1
X3
X5
X6
4 hatchbacks:
1 Series
3 Series Gran Turismo
5 Series Gran Turismo
i3
4 coupes:
2 Series
4 Series
6 Series
i8
3 convertible:
4 Series
6 Series
Z4
2 wagons:
3 Series
5 Series
That's 22 models total and 19 for the states (no wagons or 1 Series) if I'm not missing anything.
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01-31-2014, 02:50 PM
#347
Moderator
^^^There will be a 2-series convertible as well.
01-31-2014, 03:00 PM
#348
X4 coming out soon
01-31-2014, 03:14 PM
#349
Team Owner
Feels like a BMW invasion
01-31-2014, 03:14 PM
#350
Moderator
01-31-2014, 03:18 PM
#351
Team Owner
if you think about it, not too hard. 2/3/4 share the same interior. 5/6 share the same interior
if you exclude Diesel, which is nothing new to them in Euro.
There are only the 4 turbo, I6Turbo, V8 Turbo and M.
but why they want to steal their own sales is a mystery to me. Before 3 series is the #1 seller among competitors for many years. now with 4 series and 4GC, it is unlikely.
if you exclude Diesel, which is nothing new to them in Euro.
There are only the 4 turbo, I6Turbo, V8 Turbo and M.
but why they want to steal their own sales is a mystery to me. Before 3 series is the #1 seller among competitors for many years. now with 4 series and 4GC, it is unlikely.
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01-31-2014, 03:27 PM
#352
Some dude
Updated total: 25 models / 22 in the US. (I forgot the 2 Series Active Tourer as well) It just looks like the German's will make and sell anything they can come up with.
For comparison: international / US
MB: 22 / 19
Audi: 20 / 15
Lexus: 5 / 10
Cadillac: 7 / 9
Infiniti: 6 / 8
Jaguar: 7 / 5
Acura: N/A / 5
(I forgot the 2 Series Active Tourer as well) It just looks like the German's will make and sell anything they can come up with.For comparison: international / US
MB: 22 / 19
Audi: 20 / 15
Lexus: 5 / 10
Cadillac: 7 / 9
Infiniti: 6 / 8
Jaguar: 7 / 5
Acura: N/A / 5
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01-31-2014, 03:36 PM
#353
^wtf? I was unaware of the BMW Mazda5.
01-31-2014, 03:45 PM
#354
Moderator
Updated total: 25 models / 22 in the US. (I forgot the 2 Series Active Tourer as well) It just looks like the German's will make and sell anything they can come up with.
For comparison: international / US
MB: 22 / 19
Audi: 20 / 15
Lexus: 5 / 10
Cadillac: 7 / 9
Infiniti: 6 / 8
Jaguar: 7 / 5
Acura: N/A / 5
(I forgot the 2 Series Active Tourer as well) It just looks like the German's will make and sell anything they can come up with.For comparison: international / US
MB: 22 / 19
Audi: 20 / 15
Lexus: 5 / 10
Cadillac: 7 / 9
Infiniti: 6 / 8
Jaguar: 7 / 5
Acura: N/A / 5
01-31-2014, 05:52 PM
#355
Fahrvergnügen'd
They must have realized or concluded that people will buy an electric bicycle if it says BMW on it. If you go to a BMW dealer now you really can't say that you want something they don't have (except perhaps a bigger wagon than the 3-series). Which means maybe you don't leave their dealer lot without buying a BMW.
01-31-2014, 08:24 PM
#356
Some dude
Honestly, I think they've allowed themselves to get sucked into a race with MB to see who can grab the most niche sales. I don't get the business model with this. I know there are some cost savings across the platforms, but not sure how they outweigh the overall cost of so much differentiation.
From everything I've read, none of these niche models don't really sells either. X6's and 5 GT's are pretty much unicorns in my area. It seems like BMW is diluting the brand with all these models. I recently saw an E34 Dinan wagon and I felt a rush of excitement, I don't ever think I'll feel that way about a Gran Turismo.They must have realized or concluded that people will buy an electric bicycle if it says BMW on it. If you go to a BMW dealer now you really can't say that you want something they don't have (except perhaps a bigger wagon than the 3-series). Which means maybe you don't leave their dealer lot without buying a BMW.
01-31-2014, 08:49 PM
#357
I mean, if the sales numbers can support it, why not, I guess.
I remember back then looking at the Mazda 6, first generation. They had a sedan, hatchback (Gran Coupe, essentially) and a wagon. No coupe for the Mazda 6, but the offerings are similar.
I too doubt that the sales will be great. Not sure how they can justify it... unless they just want to try it for a model cycle.
I remember back then looking at the Mazda 6, first generation. They had a sedan, hatchback (Gran Coupe, essentially) and a wagon. No coupe for the Mazda 6, but the offerings are similar.
I too doubt that the sales will be great. Not sure how they can justify it... unless they just want to try it for a model cycle.
