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Old 12-18-2006, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
You guys are missing the point.

This is a car that cant weigh any more than 2800lbs soaking wet that'll be capable of 350-400 RWHP with basic bolt-on mods. Were talking supercar power to weight ratio here and performance #'s here.

Could be one of the best performance values for the buck anywhere.
but it looks stupid.
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
You guys are missing the point.

This is a car that cant weigh any more than 2800lbs soaking wet that'll be capable of 350-400 RWHP with basic bolt-on mods. Were talking supercar power to weight ratio here and performance #'s here.

Could be one of the best performance values for the buck anywhere.
People in general don't get a BMW to "bolt on" anything.

That's what STI and EVOs are for.
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Originally Posted by biker
Price and looks.

If you don't get the appeal of a hatch, you don't get it.
Uh, the 135ti is a hatch, and I like it

Welcome to the conversation.
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Originally Posted by biker
People in general don't get a BMW to "bolt on" anything.

That's what STI and EVOs are for.
Even a stock 306 hp 1-series would outgun either one of those at the dragstip.

But these cars fill completely different nitches and dont compare well anyway.
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
You guys are missing the point.

This is a car that cant weigh any more than 2800lbs soaking wet that'll be capable of 350-400 RWHP with basic bolt-on mods. Were talking supercar power to weight ratio here and performance #'s here.

Could be one of the best performance values for the buck anywhere.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Its a 3100lb pig like the rest of the NEW compacts in its most basic form, 130i. You make it into some 400rwhp car and it will no longer be that car.


MPS pics continued, haha

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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
I like the Mazda 3 too, but for alot of people, it's not just about the BMW badge, it's about the RWD platform.
People who get off just on RWD alone are the ones that get left in the tailights.
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
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Old 12-23-2006, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
People who get off just on RWD alone are the ones that get left in the tailights.
True, and that's why when Honda/Acura had to choose a platform for its true sportscars like the S2000 and NSX they picked FWD.

Do you own a mazda ?? 'Cause it sure sounds like it....
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Even if that mazda 3 is AWD, the bmw will still be a bigger track star.

Hell they added AWD and a turbo to the mazda6, doesnt mean it will be a sport sedan like any BMW. Comparing the two because they are both hatches is just...

They wont even be in the same price range.
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Old 12-23-2006, 10:23 PM
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I can see the comparison to the A3 or maybe the R32, but I just don't see how the Mazda can compare

Isn't the AWD option on the mazda3 only available in Japan ??
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hmm. I haven no idea what this is. BMW even?

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Old 12-24-2006, 02:06 AM
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Profile and rims look BMWish, but it's not porky enough (and that's before you take off the camo). Toss it some steak and ice cream and we'll see.

Seriously though, dunno about the BMW thing. The headlights in the last pic don't look like they'd fit in the swoopy ones that BMW uses for its 3.

Edit: I take that back. Maybe it's a 2 series?

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Old 12-24-2006, 05:45 AM
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man...this thing is awesome, looks and performance wise, and I think it will sell extremely well.

And for those of you who are believing to compare the mazda to this - get a clue. In no way will it compare to this car.
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Old 12-24-2006, 08:26 AM
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People compare the 1 series to Mazda3 because they ONLY look alike on the outside.


In performance wise, maybe Mazdaspeed3? But still RWD vs FWD. Compare Mazdaspeed3 to FWD A3 is more reasonable?
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Originally Posted by cheepung
People compare the 1 series to Mazda3 because they ONLY look alike on the outside.


In performance wise, maybe Mazdaspeed3? But still RWD vs FWD. Compare Mazdaspeed3 to FWD A3 is more reasonable?
Even then I don't think you can. The Mazdaspeed3 puts out a completely different level of power compared to most other FWD hatches but I would never directly compare a turbo BMW and a turbo Mazda.

You simply cannot compare FWD and RWD as they offer totally different driving dynamics.
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Nevermind, i guess those pics are of the 1-series convertible.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...ble-spy-photos

At the upcoming Geneva Motor Show BMW will release the sporty three-door variant of the current 1 Series model which so far was available as a five-door only.

However, this will not be the only variant of BMW’s smallest model, here are the very first pictures of the future 1 Series Cabrio, taken during a short test drive in Munich’s city traffic. The prototype in the photos still has some BMW typical disguise on, yet clearly visible is the canvas top.

While the 1 Series sporty three door will be in the dealerships coming this summer, the convertible’s launch cannot be expected before at least a year from now.
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BMW has unveiled the 2007/2008 BMW 1-Series three-door hatchback. The new car goes on sale this spring, and will be offered with five engine choices in Europe. It's not known if the three-door model will be offered in the United States, but coupe and convertible variants are expected in America in the coming years.
Technologies such as Brake Energy Regeneration, Automatic Start-Stop function, Electric Power Steering, lower rolling resistant tires, variable valve technologies, and High-Precision Direct Injection cut fuel consumption and emissions.

Model choices include the 130i model, with a 265 horsepower inline-six and a zero to 62 mph time of 6.0 seconds; the 120i with a 170 horsepower four-cylinder engine and a zero to 62 mph time of 7.7 seconds; the 118i with a 143 horsepower four-cylinder engine and a zero to 62 mph time of 8.7 seconds; the 120d with a 177 horsepower common-rail diesel engine and a zero to 62 mph time of 7.5 seconds; and the 118d with a 143 horsepower common-rail diesel engine and a zero to 62 mph time of 8.9 seconds.
Source: leftlanenews
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Old 01-15-2007, 05:23 PM
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Those must be Euro HP numbers since the 3.0l I6 engine only puts out in the 255HP range in the 3,5,X vehicles.
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wow, i think the general american population is going to eat this car up.
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
wow, i think the general american population is going to eat this car up.
BMW disagrees

They don't think americans like hatchbacks... Which is the reason why we won't see a 1 series in any form for a couple more years..

I'd prefer a coupe, but if the 120 hatch was available at a decent price, I'd be all over it... rwd in a 3000lb package would work for me...
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mazda 3 and GTI have done very well

but i dont know whose going to pay a premium for a luxury hatch like this, thats another story.

if they price it in the mid 30s which i would think they would for a base, i think it would sell.

but refer back a page or 2, i hate hatches. lol.
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Uh ... for what it costs why not just buy a 3...
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BMW Source Confirms GTI-Killing 135i For U.S. Market

http://news.windingroad.com/body-sty...for-us-market/


BMW Source Confirms GTI-Killing 135i For U.S. Market


BMW officials confirmed to WINDING ROAD at a corporate event this week that the BMW 1-series will come to our market, and sooner than we originally thought. While official company statements have said the 1-series will be here “within two years,” a source within the company said that’s an overstatement. On the contrary, the 1-series will be announced for our market before the end of 2007. It seems at the moment that the announcement will come this year and sales should start early in 2008.

Perhaps even bigger than this news is the fact that the 1-series will debut in our market with the company’s fabulous new twin-turbo, 3.0-liter inline-6. This is the engine found in the new BMW 335i coupe and convertible, featuring piezo direct injection and not a whiff of turbo lag. Also coming to our market will be the company’s newest naturally-aspirated 3.0-liter inline-6.



1-series cars in our market will be two-door versions only. It’s important that we stress the word “versions” when describing the 1-series in our market, as our source confirmed there are up to 15 different concepts in Munich under discussion. For the U.S. market, the company would like to get a quick read on the viability of the car’s acceptance and then deploy one or two more models based on the same idea. In other words, the 135i and 130i could launch in two-door hatchback forms and soon thereafter we’re likely to see a two-door convertible and two-door sedan with a proper trunk.

This is the point where you’re likely to say: “Okay, a small two-door BMW sedan with powerful engines. Do I smell a 2002 revival?”

Yes, you do.

But you’ll smell it in form, only, not in engine size. A four-cylinder BMW is not scheduled for our market until, according to our source, BMW “does a proper turbocharged four-cylinder engine.” Until that time, we’re likely to see 1-series models in our market with sixes only. Pricing for the car will have to fall smack dab between the 3-series and MINI. The pricing differential in the two six-cylinder engines described above is $5,000 dollars, so expect that same ratio for the 1-series models.
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Merged.

I'd like to see a 5 door like the A3 and GTI.
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Thanx dom, didn't see the other.
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2 doors? DAMNIT!
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GTI wont stand a chance.

Unless it comes down to pricing. I cant see the 135i being under $32k
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
GTI wont stand a chance.

Unless it comes down to pricing. I cant see the 135i being under $32k

Exactly. No way this can compete on price with the GTI.

The A3 won't stand a chance.
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The A3 won't stand a chance.
For now, but only time will tell.
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2 doors?!?!!?

Why would BMW do this? Now, for sure, consumers will cross-shop the MINI Cooper with the Series 1. I don't think this fills the gap between the Cooper and the 3 series, but rather pits the Cooper and Series 1 in competition against each other.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
2 doors?!?!!?

Why would BMW do this? Now, for sure, consumers will cross-shop the MINI Cooper with the Series 1. I don't think this fills the gap between the Cooper and the 3 series, but rather pits the Cooper and Series 1 in competition against each other.
No, they'll cross shop it with the A3.

I can see the marketing line now: You too can afford to buy a BMW under $30K.
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No, they'll cross shop it with the A3.

I can see the marketing line now: You too can afford to buy a BMW under $30K.
I have a hard time believing this will have any signifigant effect on their brand cachet however, assuming that they market it correctly. In fact, this will probably just attract alot of slightly lower income snobs.
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In fact, this will probably just attract alot of slightly lower income snobs.
The salesmen could care less whose money they take. And BMW won't care either as long as the sales numbers go up.
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I kinda wonder what the pricing would be, if the engines are similar to the 3 series. hatchback image in the U.S. isn't that great for a luxury car maker, and making it a coupe will compete with the 3 series coupe. for 28-32K, maybe 3 or 5-dr hatch with inline 6?
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Wow this was unexpected news.
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Originally Posted by TMQ
I kinda wonder what the pricing would be, if the engines are similar to the 3 series. hatchback image in the U.S. isn't that great for a luxury car maker, and making it a coupe will compete with the 3 series coupe. for 28-32K, maybe 3 or 5-dr hatch with inline 6?
Pricing will be slightly higher than the A3's.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I don't think this fills the gap between the Cooper and the 3 series, but rather pits the Cooper and Series 1 in competition against each other.
If the 1 series was going to be offered with a 4cly, it would be in competition with the cooper... But since it's a 6cly, less so, especially since we're talking FWD vs. RWD, and of course there's pricing...

Pricing for the car will have to fall smack dab between the 3-series and MINI. The pricing differential in the two six-cylinder engines described above is $5,000 dollars, so expect that same ratio for the 1-series models.
Mini - MSRP: $18,050 - $25,400

1 Series - MSRP: ???? - ?????

3 Series- MSRP: $32,400 - $40,600

I was hoping for the 118 or 120 to come over, ala 2002 revival

Originally Posted by biker
You too can afford to buy a BMW under $30K.
I hope so...

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Unless it comes down to pricing. I cant see the 135i being under $32k
Maybe not, but I can see the 130 being under 30...
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I LOVE IT! I've always wanted an MCoupe or 328ti, this is perfect!
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Originally Posted by Motohip
I LOVE IT! I've always wanted an MCoupe or 328ti, this is perfect!
I've thought that the styling of the 1 series is very reminiscent of the old S50 and S52 powered mcoupes... Not a look that everyone likes, but I like them old shoes...
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