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Old 07-05-2004, 07:32 PM
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damn can't wait till the m2 maybe an alternative to an M3?
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Gav, my guess is the same as what we heard about a year ago regarding the M2. I still think it's 2.4L and 240hp.
That's what the rumors have been. We'll see.
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damn can't wait till the m2 maybe an alternative to an M3?
The performance will certainly be comparable to the current M3 and superior to the previous M3 US Spec.
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Damn. I was excited for about 1/2 a second.

I thought we were going to talk about a re-do of the original M1.

I've really only ever liked a very few BMWs -- namely the M1 of the late 1970s/early 1980s and the M6/635csi of the mid 80s.


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CSi? CSL?
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Gav, my guess is the same as what we heard about a year ago regarding the M2. I still think it's 2.4L and 240hp.

If I had to guess on a price, I would say the M2 would start at $28k and go up to $34k optioned out. That puts it firmly in the S2000 range and would definitely allow it to compete with the STi and Evo9 if they can keep the weight down.
way too conservative...I would think prices start high 30s and low 40s for the m2...optioned out would be high 40s
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way too conservative...I would think prices start high 30s and low 40s for the m2...optioned out would be high 40s
Who is going to pay $48k for a 4-cylinder car?

I don't care how fast it is ... The M2 is going to be smaller and lighter than the current M3 ... there's no way they can justify that price.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Who is going to pay $48k for a 4-cylinder car?

I don't care how fast it is ... The M2 is going to be smaller and lighter than the current M3 ... there's no way they can justify that price.
You forgot we're talking about BMW here, they overprice just about everything and people still buy their products. But that would be ridiculous.
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I would not be surpirsed at all to see a low $40Ks M2 car. Makes sense.
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Gee, I wonder if BMW will put out a nice 0 Series so it can compete with the Neon. They could make a nice 4 cylinder M0 that puts out a whopping 140hp *sarcasm*
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Doesn't this look like a manifold that would come from an aftermarket supplier? Like Comptech made it (or Dinan in this case). I mean look at the smooth bending and attention to detail. Things like these make BMW such a great engineering company in the field.
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BMW 4 cylinder with VALVETRONIC






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BMW 4 cylinder inlet manifold






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Wow, I really like that hatch lever design.....cleverly integrated.
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Old 07-18-2004, 04:39 PM
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interior looks clean
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BMW 1 Series - In Depth
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Cost of Ownership

Much less time for maintenance – more time for driving pleasure.
One of the top priorities in the development of the BMW 1 Series was to minimise the time and cost of maintenance and servicing in order to ensure constant availability of the BMW 1 Series without any major interruptions. There is no other vehicle in the compact segment which requires less service and maintenance than the BMW 1 Series.
The technology used for the engine and drive is exemplary for the BMW 1 Series’ reduced service and maintenance requirements. BMW has set new standards in the compact class, utilising sophisticated technologies which make many parts and components of the BMW 1 Series maintenance-free.

As the camshaft on BMW vehicles is driven by a chain which is maintenance-free during the vehicle’s entire life cycle, there is no need to change a toothed belt, a job which even today has to be carried out on the majority of compact class vehicles every 60,000 to 120,000 kilometres. Moreover, there is no need for valve adjustment, a rather time-consuming job, as the BMW 1 Series features hydraulic valve-play compensation. On the BMW 1 Series, poly-V-belts are used for driving the alternator, the hydraulic pump and water pump, which consequently do not have to be replaced.

Also, the BMW 1 Series’ transmission requires hardly any maintenance. This applies both to the manual gearbox and the six-speed automatic transmission. All gearboxes have a lifetime oil filling. The exhaust system is also one of the components requiring regular maintenance and repair work on many vehicles. This is not the case with the BMW 1 Series: its exhaust system is completely made of stainless steel.

Service intervals depend on how hard the car is driven.

In the 1982 model year, BMW abolished fixed service intervals for parts and components subject to wear and tear. Instead, each individual BMW constantly calculates the remaining interval and tells the driver when the car is next due for servicing. This value depends on the customer’s driving style and the actual wear.
The BMW 1 Series also benefits from the Condition Based Service (CBS) concept, which was used for the first time in 2002 in the 7 Series. The central idea behind this concept is that sensors and sophisticated software algorithms constantly monitor selected parts and components subject to wear and tear. This enables the customer to use his onboard computer or iDrive to retrieve individual information on when the engine oil, micro filter, front and rear brake pads, coolant, brake fluid and spark plugs have to be replaced next.

An enhanced use of service limits combined with a reduction in maintenance times has ushered in a new era in vehicle service and maintenance. CBS also tells the driver when the next technical inspection (e.g. TÜV) or exhaust test (AU) is due.

Better planning of service appointments.

The aforementioned concept makes vehicle servicing much more transparent for costumers. If, for example, the owner of a BMW 1 Series plans to go on a longer journey, he can independently determine whether he has to have the car serviced before the journey or if there is enough time to wait until after his return. He can thus easily prevent situations where, for example, the brake pads suddenly have to be replaced in the middle of a journey. Thanks to CBS, the workshop is also in a position to acquire an overall picture of the maintenance and servicing as soon as the vehicle is accepted for servicing.

A vehicle key which knows when the brake pads have to be replaced next.

The innovative key system, which was first featured in the BMW 7 Series, is an effective tool for the workshop when accepting the car for maintenance and servicing. The key not only functions as a locking device but also stores all service-relevant vehicle data. Service staff used to gather the information needed via a tiresome and time-consuming question and answer game. These days, however, they get the information needed in a flash. Using a so-called key-reader, the information stored in the key, such as mileage, vehicle identification number, initial registration date, colour, upholstery and equipment codes and, of course, the interval until the most important wear parts are due for servicing, is retrieved and instantly displayed on a computer screen.

Minor accident – minor costs.

The costs caused by bumping slightly into the car in front are a nuisance. The BMW 1 Series’ reversible bumpers prevent unnecessary costs in a bumper-to-bumper collision at a speed of up to 4 km/h or 2.5 mph. If the collision is more serious, deformation elements behind the bumpers, which are easy to replace, help to keep the repair costs to a minimum.

In collisions up to a maximum speed of 15 km/h or 9 mph, these elements prevent all damages to the structure. In development, much attention was actually paid to avoiding expensive repair work on damaged body parts. The effectiveness of all these measures is proven by the fact that in Germany the BMW 1 Series has been given a favourable insurance classification.

Jump-starts are no longer necessary.

BMW even made provisions to prevent situations where there is not enough energy left to start the engine. If the electrical devices consume too much energy, an intelligent battery sensor (IBS) deactivates them one after the other, thereby ensuring that there is enough energy left when the engine is started next. In addition, this contributes to lower operating costs, as the driver of the BMW 1 Series saves costs caused by necessary jump-starts.

Enough energy even for the remote control.

Perfection down to the smallest detail is also demonstrated by the remote control key: in contrast to most other systems available on the market, this key does not incorporate a conventional battery. Instead, it has an accumulator which is constantly loaded via the ignition lock, doing away with the need to replace an expensive battery after a few years.

Typical BMW: the same warranty as a big one.

BMW’s efforts to keep the costs of ownership as low as possible are rounded off by a 12-year warranty against rust and corrosion. There is a 3-year warranty on the paintwork and a lifetime mobility guarantee.
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:39 AM
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1 Series Test Drive & In Depth Look

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e81/5437008-1.html - Test Drive
http://www.germancarfans.com/print.cfm/ID/2040624.001 - In Depth Look



I hate to admit my interest is peaked in this little sucker.
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Premiere at Geneva Autoshow in March 2005, on sale in September 2005.

I6 engine, 258HP (190kW), 300Nm
max. speed 250km/h
6.2s from 0 - 100km/h
less than 8min 35sec on Nürburgring-Nordschleife track

active steering optional
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This thing should fly. And the RWD is an absolute advantage. They can 400HP on those rear wheels with no issue.
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8m 35s @ Nurburgring, that thing is fast.

Best looking car out of all current Bimmer IMO, but the interior is fugly.
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http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e81/5437008-1.html - Test Drive
http://www.germancarfans.com/print.cfm/ID/2040624.001 - In Depth Look



I hate to admit my interest is peaked in this little sucker.

"Also, the AC was on with three adults in the car, the 6 speed is over kill at lower speeds, but on the autobahn will be welcomed (our 2.5 liter Z4 with 5 sped manual hit’s the rev limiter with ease in 5th @ about 230kph indicated…It sorely needs a 6th speed, if only to keep the revs low at 160-180 kph cruising…"

Sweet test drive ..Damn sight better than " Um, sir, the speed limt is 50 here, not 65.............."
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8m 35s @ Nurburgring, that thing is fast.

Best looking car out of all current Bimmer IMO, but the interior is fugly.

just like every other BMW interior
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Old 02-10-2005, 06:28 PM
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Not a bad lil car at all... don't like the interior design. I can live with the exterior.
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So is this coming to the states? I hope they bring the coupe over....an M1/M2 would be sweet.
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Why does BMW insist on those unattractive interiors?
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So is this coming to the states? I hope they bring the coupe over....an M1/M2 would be sweet.
If BMW were smart, they'd do it. BMW is so established as a brand, I don't think this would tarnish their reputation at all. They'd sell out like Black Eyed Peas.
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how much $$ for 7.9 secs 0-60? spare me the twisties argument please.....
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exterior is ugly also. A3 > 1series
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I want to see them actually make this and bring it over. As light as the old E30 M3 but with the engine of the new one

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I've warmed up to the E60 5 series more than this thing. I haven't seen too many on the road here but when I do it does nothing for me.

Folks around here must be an Audi type crowd, lots of A3, A4 and many more of the new A6 (with a year less of sales) than the E60 5 series.
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Don't bother with this car...TOP GEAR doesn't recommend driving or buying this thing.
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how much $$ for 7.9 secs 0-60? spare me the twisties argument please.....
Err, it's actually about 6.1 to 60 (6.2 to 62mph)
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exterior is ugly also. A3 > 1series
Definitely.
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I want to see them actually make this and bring it over. As light as the old E30 M3 but with the engine of the new one


M1?
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M1?
It was supposed to be called the M2 before BMW decided to not change the numbering system. So if they did build it I guess it would be an M1.
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So is this coming to the states? I hope they bring the coupe over....an M1/M2 would be sweet.

Not the 1 but the 2-series will come to the states. So this car in coupe form. Even better.
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Err, it's actually about 6.1 to 60 (6.2 to 62mph)

4 cylinder or the 6?
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how much $$ for 7.9 secs 0-60? spare me the twisties argument please.....
Obviously you're not referring to the 130i correct?
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