GreenMonster

Maybe, maybe not, its alot heavier than I thought... see my comments in the 1-series thread...

Ah... this is a repost anyways so it's gonna get merged with the 1-series thread...

GreenMonster

It's not that much lighter then the 335... so it's all going to depend on the PRICE...

With the car being made in the fatherland, and the euro vs. the dollar, I'm thinking that the 135 is going to not be that much cheaper then the 335...

I've been interested in the 128 anyways, but again, it's all going to come down to PRICING.

LiQiCE

Repost from the previous page :p

Still not cool with the weight. BMW is good at making heavy cars feel like they're super light, so hopefully the driving feel will still be good.

danny25

the car looks frightened, those headlights are way to tall.

Infamous425

rear end looks alot better in the darker color and real-life pix

charliemike

Dude, I'm diggin' that 123d. Too bad it's not coming here. 0-60 in about 6.9 is still damn fast.

3267 for a 135i is pretty decent. It's a touch smaller than a Mazda3 sedan and weighs about 114lbs more than a Mazdaspeed3 so that gives you an idea of how much is probably attributed to the turbos and such.

My Mazdaspeed3 is still stock and is fast as I can handle. Add another 43hp, RWD, and 114lbs and I'm sure the 135 is going to fly.

Problem is that I think the 135i is going to be $5k less than a 335i and I'd rather either extend myself for the 335i or wait until I could afford it.

I simply wouldn't pay $37k for a reasonably loaded 135i.

JediMindTricks

interesting...i always assumed the 1-series was gonna be a hatch ala the a3. then i come here and find out it's a 300hp coupe.

very interesting and intriguing.

but at that price range, i would rather get the 3, which also looks better in my opinion.

GreenMonster

Yeah, I'm not getting too excited anymore till I see the $$$$

TMQ

so, the 1 series is a little bit smaller (judging by one comment earlier, back seat space still good) and a little bit lighter than a 3 series, with similar engine output, but with a different chassis, and much worse interior (that silver boomerang thing is fugly).

I estimate that it will be a little bit cheaper than the 3 series, but probably not by too much. $3-4k, maybe? Still, the 128i will get a lot of customers.

acutsx

Yes , I have driven a 3 series Bimmer in the snow, sleet, ,freezing rain, rain, etc . I owned one for 10 years.. I have no problems driving a bimmer or any other RWD car in the snow. I know what you mean. RWD is the way to go.FWD cars are safer but doesn't come close to RWD for driving experience.

Beltfed

RWD in snow being bad is completely blown out of proportion. With good dedicated snow tires (not all season shit)....combined with traction control. You can forge ahead in a good amount of snow, enough to get you to and from work or wherever without an issue.

Ken1997TL

The 1 series has my interest for sure.

My main concerns: Interior size and material quality

bigman

Where i live, the BMW service centers suck major balls. Acura and Lexus rule the roost in terms of service quality around my way. Also, if you plan on modding your car in any way, shape or form, be ready for BMW to give you a harder time. My cousin has a modded M3 and has been blacklisted by BMW for any service. Now it could just be the area though.

GreenMonster

Agreed.

My last car (94 Ford Tbird) had shitty all seasons, no traction control, and was RWD and I drove 65 miles each way to work for 2 years and never had a issue.

Python2121

Well apparently the hatch doesn't appear to be coming yet

AZuser

With BMW's poorer reliability, I would certainly hope so since you'll be visiting that service department more often.

Shadzilla

In the six years I had my Z28 w/ all seasons, I drove through a lot of snow. I never had any problems, just had to slow it down a bit. Then I bought my CL with those shitty OEM "touring" tires. I could barely drive 2 feet with out sliding out of control. So although drivetrain configuration plays a big part, I think tires are just as much, if not more of, a factor in snow driving stability.

TommySalami

What dealers did you have a bad experience with?

godfather2

you can get the 1 series with a factory twin turbo v6 rated at 300hp! or, wait a bit for the m1

acutsx

Norris and Frankel

Brandon24pdx

Ill hold my final judgement till I start seeing them in person on the street. Looks awfully cramped to me though. The E92 coupe is not big car really, and this one is even smaller.

srika

I was interested in the 135i until I found out it weighs 3439 lbs.... a car that small weighing that much.. I just don't get it.

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

^---wrong, it weighs roughly 3,274lbs if you get rid of the bullshit weight. Also, for size comparisons, check this out:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=764

srika

please explain bs weight

srika

ok that size comparison helped immensely. I dunno but it seems like people are making this car out to be some kind of micro-car.. which, it's not. thx

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

BMW adds 165lbs for driver and luggage as 'unladen weight'. Hence, subtract the 165 from 3439 and voila

As far as the size, the graphical representation shows that it's not TOO much smaller than your e46 coupe. So take a 335i and subtract a few hundred pounds, as well as a little bit of size, and you've got yourself a beast

srika

ok cool. I did some reading and here is what it includes: 150lb driver, 15lbs of luggage, and 90% fuel load. so.. I stand corrected and hereby rescind my previous statement.

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

haha no worries, pretty much everyone thinks it weighs in at near 3450lbs, when in actuality it doesn't. I really hope they price this thing no more than $32k base, but that's a hell of a wish. I'm figuring I'll sell my 'lude for around $10-11 by that time, put that and another $5k down, and finance the remaining to hopefully $475/mo at a really low APR since my credit score is relatively high, but we'll see.

GreenMonster

Yeah, it's still a pig at 3200lbs IMHO or whatever way they want to spin it... "the people" are actually BMW themselves. When they started talking about this being the re-incarnation on the old 2002 lots of us were thinking that the car would be alot closer (or under) 3000lbs.

The 135 is 88lbs or 90 something lbs lighter than a 335 (depending on who you ask). You can goto the UK bmw site and compare the 135 to the 335 (and covert the kgs to lbs).

I'm sure it will sell well, but it's going to be about price (the 2002 was a relatively cheap car) and not about weight. The young fanbois and badge hounds will love this car for the cost, not about weight. I think most would buy the car even if it was heavier than the 335 as long as it's cheaper...

Now we're told that the 135 "draws inspiration from" the 2002 [1], but 88lbs doesn't seem like a lot inspiration to me

That being said, I'll probably still test drive one, but I don't think I'm going to be paying a markup to be the first one on the block with one. If it had been a tad bit under 3000lbs, I'd be asking who to give my deposit to

[1] http://www.bmwusa.com/Vehicles/futur...w1/default.htm

LiQiCE

GreenMonster - I completely agree with you, I'm definitely disappointed with the ~3200 lb weight. Its not a total show stopper, but if the price of the 135i is too close to the 335i, I'll just buy the 335i and figure out how to lose the 88 lbs

Its not impossible to make a car under 3000 lbs, the RSX-S only weighs 2800-2840 lbs. The Civic Si is only 2886 lbs. I guess neither car is on the same level luxury wise as BMW, plus both cars are FWD, but we haven't really seen what the 1-series interior is like (in person I mean).

With so many cars getting heavier and heavier (see G37 Coupe), I really was hoping the 135i would be the lighter alternative. I guess compared to cars like the G37 coupe, the 135i is light -- but for what it is, I expected the 135i to come in at more like 3000 lbs.

srika

for its size, ~3267 is pretty good. remembers its as big as an E46 coupe.

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

word...I think the whole "2002 reincarnation" is being a BIT blown out of proportion. Look, we're talking about a RWD, twin-turbo 6 that is a BMW (of a bit higher quality in materials and such). With the current standards in crash testing, etc... 3,250~ is a pretty damn good figure. I personally like the looks a lot as the rear and side profiling aren't your standard BMW look. It's a new car, and I like it. On top of that, it offers outstanding performance, a relatively decent size, good quality, and will hopefully come with a respectable/reasonable sticker. I, for one, am looking VERY forward to its release, regardless of its weight. But that's just me.

charliemike

Everyone should keep in mind too that the Mazdaspeed3 weighs 3165lbs with 37hp less through the front wheels. Everything I read (and as an owner I agree with) says the car is a screamer even for a FWD car.

I can't imagine what the 135i is going to drive like. Slightly better HP/weight ratio and RWD too ... I'd guess really low 5s or high 4s to 60? 4.9 to 60 for $35k is amazing.

GreenMonster

Amazing, yes... and if it were 200lbs lighter, it would be better than amazing

Another thing... The price of the 1-series is going to KILL resale value on the 3 series. What self respecting badge whore is going to want a used 3-4 y/o 330 coupe when they could get a new 128i for around the same price brand new...

A 2004 330i coupe only weighs 3285lbs [1] so while the 1-series may be lighter than the e92, the weight difference from the E46 is negligible. A frugle minded driving enthusist might want to consider a E46 vs. the new 128i.


[1] http://www.edmunds.com/used/2004/bmw...739/specs.html

shrykhar

I saw a 1-series convertible with heavy cladding here in Thousand Oaks (there's a building with "BMW DesignWorks" on it around here). It's much smaller than I thought it would be from the pictures.

Edit: oh right, pics? I was fumbling for my camera phone at the stoplight and I tried to keep up, but the @#$%er took off and left me for dead. Quick buggers they are.

Brandon24pdx

I still love the 2004-06 330Ci's and think they have a real class look to them, but there's something about the idea of a used BMW product that doesnt drive me too nuts.

The 1 series might be narrower by a small amount compared to the E46 coupe. Not a car larger people probably, but not a micro car by any means. The 3 series is quite a bit larger now than it used to be. (Think about what an E30 sedan used to look like compared to an E90 sedan...)

Mizouse

hmm... if i were to get one i would carbon fiber the crap out of that car. make it weight what it should be.

Infamous425

and the $ you spend on carbon fiber-ing it you might as well buy an M3

Mizouse

ok.. maybe just the hood then

Jackygor

1 series to start below 30k

hope its not repost

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/14/b...art-below-30k/