Audi: Sales, Marketing, and Financial News
02-23-2009, 10:54 PM
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nokiaman, charliemike, you'll like this:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266214
The guy that created the thread was the winner of a contest, and the price, a stage 3 turbo kit for his a4!!!
Almost 300hp/270lb-ft at the wheel. Not bad for a 2.0T. Too bad the car weighs so damn much lol.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266214
The guy that created the thread was the winner of a contest, and the price, a stage 3 turbo kit for his a4!!!
Almost 300hp/270lb-ft at the wheel. Not bad for a 2.0T. Too bad the car weighs so damn much lol.
02-24-2009, 07:54 AM
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^ 
300hp at the wheel from a 2.0T is very impressive.
It sounds good as well.
300hp at the wheel from a 2.0T is very impressive. It sounds good as well.
02-24-2009, 09:31 AM
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nokiaman, charliemike, you'll like this:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266214
The guy that created the thread was the winner of a contest, and the price, a stage 3 turbo kit for his a4!!!
Almost 300hp/270lb-ft at the wheel. Not bad for a 2.0T. Too bad the car weighs so damn much lol.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266214
The guy that created the thread was the winner of a contest, and the price, a stage 3 turbo kit for his a4!!!
Almost 300hp/270lb-ft at the wheel. Not bad for a 2.0T. Too bad the car weighs so damn much lol.
Audi has a 2.5 TFSI in the TT-RS that puts out 300hp from two turbos.
I wonder what APR could get out of that
02-24-2009, 09:39 AM
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So, the BMW Euro Delivery is a better deal in the discount.
Audi offers a 1-night hotel stay, an extra day of insurance ...
If you don't care if you get an Audi or a BMW then the BMW is a better deal.
If you want an Audi, it's not horrible but you might get a better deal on some cars just buying them here from a dealer.
02-24-2009, 09:44 AM
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in fact 340hp to be correct... you feel the difference? this car is worthy of 4.4-4.5 sec. 0-60mph...
02-24-2009, 03:56 PM
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Don't forget to click the the "buy" button after you're done and when it asks for payment, say the government is picking up the tab. :devilgrin
02-24-2009, 08:16 PM
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I'm not at all surprised that Audi's gaining market share. I went to test drive the C300, 328i and A4 Avant today. To make a long story short, you’d have to be borderline retarded to get one of the other cars over the A4.
I drove all three cars on the same stretch of bumpy and slightly windy roads near my house. First I drove the C300 4matic and I actually liked that one. You can tell it has a bit more kick than my TSX, it handled pretty good and the ride was more comfortable. The 4matic seemed very good on snow even with all season tires. I love the exterior on that car, but it’s about the same or slightly smaller than mine so I know I won’t be getting it. This one was just for fun.
The next one was the 328i Xdrive. That one was a huge disappointment. The steering felt very heavy, it’s supposed to be sporty but it’s nothing you can’t get by getting wider rims and tires. The handling wasn’t any better than the Mercedes, and it didn’t seem as planted as the C300 on the snowy road. The worst part by far was the interior. The C300 is about on par with my car but the 328i is much worse, it actually felt really cheap and ugly. I couldn’t believe it, a CAN $50,000 car (with a few options) and it feels like a downgrade from the TSX! The guy took me to the touring model since that’s the one that I was considering to compete with the Avant, and it was just sad. It doesn’t come anywhere close to the A4 in any respect, and that’s for about the same money. Sad sad sad. I looked at all the cars in the BMW dealership and it’s pathetic, all the 3-series have the same horrible cheap interior. Even the 335i. The leather doesn’t even feel expensive. I looked inside the M3 they had parked outside and it looked like they try a little harder to spruce that one up, it has more leather surfaces and slighly upgraded materials. Still, for the 3-series, the coupe is the only one that looks great on the outside, and some of the other cars like the X6 look cool and aggressive, but once you get in it’s a different story. I don’t know why the cars get such good reviews, I guess if you take it to the track and push it maybe it handles a bit better at the limit but I’ll have to take their word for it. All I saw was crappy craftsmanship. The X3 is somewhat roomy but again, disappointing interior. Inside, the cars look older than my Acura and they look 5 years behind the Audi.
Then I took a break and later I went to see the A4 and Q5. I drove the A4 which was really nice, you can really feel the adaptive steering, it’s very light in the parking lot but heavier at higher speed. When you hold the steering wheel and press the buttons the car feels like it’s 10k more expensive than the other two. It's like in the latest Lexuses, the leather feels delicate and expensive, the dash looks expensive, the buttons look expensive etc. Also there’s way more functions and gadgets, the one I test drove had the NAV so I guess it comes with the color car computer but it looks better than what’s in the Mercedes and kills the BMW. All around the car just looks nicer. The outside too, the BMW just looks so dated. The Audi feels a bit bigger than both the BWM and the C300.
I also looked at the Q5, it’s very similar to the Avant. When I asked the sales guy about the two cars he said “oh there’s no point in getting the Avant, it’s almost the same price so don’t bother getting the Avant, the Q5 is way more car for the money, get the Q5. Oh by the way, you can’t get the Q5 they’re all sold out”. He says they sold all their allotment until at least August. The guy was basically a huge Q5 fan even though he claims he drives an A4 Avant right now (funny how they always happen to drive the car you’re interested in). I didn’t drive the Q5 this time but I was checking out the inside. Basically it’s the Avant but a couple of inches wider, a few incher taller and a few inches shorter. It looks like the features are nearly identical. In the back, you get a bit of extra height and width for cargo, but it’s also a shorter cargo bed by a few inches, so you win some and you lose some. You get the V6 but according to the brochure the fuel economy is about 20% less (they only have figures for FrontTrack) and the acceleration is exactly the same. For $1500 extra it doesn't seem worth it, I don’t really want an SUV in the first place. I think the only thing better about it is the slightly cooler LED headlights and you get LED tail lights.
I drove all three cars on the same stretch of bumpy and slightly windy roads near my house. First I drove the C300 4matic and I actually liked that one. You can tell it has a bit more kick than my TSX, it handled pretty good and the ride was more comfortable. The 4matic seemed very good on snow even with all season tires. I love the exterior on that car, but it’s about the same or slightly smaller than mine so I know I won’t be getting it. This one was just for fun.
The next one was the 328i Xdrive. That one was a huge disappointment. The steering felt very heavy, it’s supposed to be sporty but it’s nothing you can’t get by getting wider rims and tires. The handling wasn’t any better than the Mercedes, and it didn’t seem as planted as the C300 on the snowy road. The worst part by far was the interior. The C300 is about on par with my car but the 328i is much worse, it actually felt really cheap and ugly. I couldn’t believe it, a CAN $50,000 car (with a few options) and it feels like a downgrade from the TSX! The guy took me to the touring model since that’s the one that I was considering to compete with the Avant, and it was just sad. It doesn’t come anywhere close to the A4 in any respect, and that’s for about the same money. Sad sad sad. I looked at all the cars in the BMW dealership and it’s pathetic, all the 3-series have the same horrible cheap interior. Even the 335i. The leather doesn’t even feel expensive. I looked inside the M3 they had parked outside and it looked like they try a little harder to spruce that one up, it has more leather surfaces and slighly upgraded materials. Still, for the 3-series, the coupe is the only one that looks great on the outside, and some of the other cars like the X6 look cool and aggressive, but once you get in it’s a different story. I don’t know why the cars get such good reviews, I guess if you take it to the track and push it maybe it handles a bit better at the limit but I’ll have to take their word for it. All I saw was crappy craftsmanship. The X3 is somewhat roomy but again, disappointing interior. Inside, the cars look older than my Acura and they look 5 years behind the Audi.
Then I took a break and later I went to see the A4 and Q5. I drove the A4 which was really nice, you can really feel the adaptive steering, it’s very light in the parking lot but heavier at higher speed. When you hold the steering wheel and press the buttons the car feels like it’s 10k more expensive than the other two. It's like in the latest Lexuses, the leather feels delicate and expensive, the dash looks expensive, the buttons look expensive etc. Also there’s way more functions and gadgets, the one I test drove had the NAV so I guess it comes with the color car computer but it looks better than what’s in the Mercedes and kills the BMW. All around the car just looks nicer. The outside too, the BMW just looks so dated. The Audi feels a bit bigger than both the BWM and the C300.
I also looked at the Q5, it’s very similar to the Avant. When I asked the sales guy about the two cars he said “oh there’s no point in getting the Avant, it’s almost the same price so don’t bother getting the Avant, the Q5 is way more car for the money, get the Q5. Oh by the way, you can’t get the Q5 they’re all sold out”. He says they sold all their allotment until at least August. The guy was basically a huge Q5 fan even though he claims he drives an A4 Avant right now (funny how they always happen to drive the car you’re interested in). I didn’t drive the Q5 this time but I was checking out the inside. Basically it’s the Avant but a couple of inches wider, a few incher taller and a few inches shorter. It looks like the features are nearly identical. In the back, you get a bit of extra height and width for cargo, but it’s also a shorter cargo bed by a few inches, so you win some and you lose some. You get the V6 but according to the brochure the fuel economy is about 20% less (they only have figures for FrontTrack) and the acceleration is exactly the same. For $1500 extra it doesn't seem worth it, I don’t really want an SUV in the first place. I think the only thing better about it is the slightly cooler LED headlights and you get LED tail lights.
02-25-2009, 07:53 AM
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So which one will you be getting the A4 Avant? Are you buying from Mark Motors?
02-25-2009, 10:03 AM
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@Belzebutt
You went much further than I did when looking at the competitors, namely bimmer.
There was no doubt we were gonna get a wagon, so that limited our selection to start off with. The only car that I felt came remotely close to the Avant was the 328 wagon. Unfortunately for bimmer, the styling alone deterred me from it from the start and the interior of the Avant is far superior than the bimmer IMO. Jesal spoke a little about the motor and how bimmers are usually underrated in power output, which is a good thing, but the 2.0T has so much untapped potential that it was a no brainer at that point. Isn't the new 2.0T rated at like 250hp?
Nice review of the three.
You went much further than I did when looking at the competitors, namely bimmer.
There was no doubt we were gonna get a wagon, so that limited our selection to start off with. The only car that I felt came remotely close to the Avant was the 328 wagon. Unfortunately for bimmer, the styling alone deterred me from it from the start and the interior of the Avant is far superior than the bimmer IMO. Jesal spoke a little about the motor and how bimmers are usually underrated in power output, which is a good thing, but the 2.0T has so much untapped potential that it was a no brainer at that point. Isn't the new 2.0T rated at like 250hp?
Nice review of the three.
02-25-2009, 10:09 AM
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On related news, an Ice Silver RS4 blew past me at almost WOT this morning while merging on the highway..I love that car.
02-25-2009, 11:11 AM
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02-25-2009, 11:44 AM
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I had the torque spec and the hp spec backwords, sorry.
02-25-2009, 12:03 PM
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Yeah, i'm on Audizine, but I hardly ever go there anymore. I've done pretty much what I can afford to my B7 and left it at that. K04 Turbo would be great, but I hardly ever get a chance to run or use the car to its potential.
02-25-2009, 12:09 PM
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02-25-2009, 12:37 PM
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APR 91, 93, 100 Octane ECU upgrade, Stasis Street Sport coilovers, RS4 rear swaybar, AWE catback exhaust, eurocode downpipe, and a carbonio intake. Also some cosmetic mods like RS4 rep wheels, 6000k HIDs, and smoked tails.
If you're looking to mod, I'd say at least do an ECU upgrade through APR, Revo, or GIAC. Wait until Waterfest comes around because all the ECU upgrade sales typically happen then. Anyhow, I'll probably be selling and parting off all the stuff sometime in the summer, but it was fun while it lasted.
If you're looking to mod, I'd say at least do an ECU upgrade through APR, Revo, or GIAC. Wait until Waterfest comes around because all the ECU upgrade sales typically happen then. Anyhow, I'll probably be selling and parting off all the stuff sometime in the summer, but it was fun while it lasted.
02-25-2009, 12:44 PM
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APR 91, 93, 100 Octane ECU upgrade, Stasis Street Sport coilovers, RS4 rear swaybar, AWE catback exhaust, eurocode downpipe, and a carbonio intake. Also some cosmetic mods like RS4 rep wheels, 6000k HIDs, and smoked tails.
If you're looking to mod, I'd say at least do an ECU upgrade through APR, Revo, or GIAC. Wait until Waterfest comes around because all the ECU upgrade sales typically happen then. Anyhow, I'll probably be selling and parting off all the stuff sometime in the summer, but it was fun while it lasted.
If you're looking to mod, I'd say at least do an ECU upgrade through APR, Revo, or GIAC. Wait until Waterfest comes around because all the ECU upgrade sales typically happen then. Anyhow, I'll probably be selling and parting off all the stuff sometime in the summer, but it was fun while it lasted.
I am planning on getting a chip, just don't kwow when. I had a plan in place of everything I want to do my Avant, that was until yesterday when I saw a new turbo kit lised on the Stasis website. Now i'm on the fence again. save up a lot and get the turbo kit vs just do a couple mods here and there as I save up.
Anyway, what did you think of the RS4 rear sway? I bought one last year, but I haven't had a chance to install it yet because I don't have a set of wheel ramps.
02-25-2009, 01:02 PM
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Most B7 owners seem to swear up and down about a dramatic improvement, but I can't really attest to anything because I had them installed the same time with my coilovers. Of course as a total package with the coilovers, it was a dramatic improvement over stock. The sways installed alone, I can't comment because that's not what i did. Anyhow, it's a cheap mod for the money, I'm sure you can't go wrong especially with so many others on Audizine raving about it. Plus, I'd love to see the rear end of an avant break out.
02-25-2009, 06:56 PM
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@Belzebutt
You went much further than I did when looking at the competitors, namely bimmer.
There was no doubt we were gonna get a wagon, so that limited our selection to start off with. The only car that I felt came remotely close to the Avant was the 328 wagon. Unfortunately for bimmer, the styling alone deterred me from it from the start and the interior of the Avant is far superior than the bimmer IMO. Jesal spoke a little about the motor and how bimmers are usually underrated in power output, which is a good thing, but the 2.0T has so much untapped potential that it was a no brainer at that point. Isn't the new 2.0T rated at like 250hp?
Nice review of the three.
You went much further than I did when looking at the competitors, namely bimmer.
There was no doubt we were gonna get a wagon, so that limited our selection to start off with. The only car that I felt came remotely close to the Avant was the 328 wagon. Unfortunately for bimmer, the styling alone deterred me from it from the start and the interior of the Avant is far superior than the bimmer IMO. Jesal spoke a little about the motor and how bimmers are usually underrated in power output, which is a good thing, but the 2.0T has so much untapped potential that it was a no brainer at that point. Isn't the new 2.0T rated at like 250hp?
Nice review of the three.
Oh man, if he does, I'm gonna HAVE to make a trip up there to do a full comparo.
And even bigger mystery is the pricing of the Q7 vs. the A6. I thought the Q7 is more expensive, but the A6 actually starts at several thousand more.
04-09-2010, 10:05 AM
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Audi: Financial Status news
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/248749/
Audi recorded its best-ever global sales in 2010’s first quarter, surpassing Mercedes for the first time in the process.
The German firm sold 264,100 units worldwide between January and March; Mercedes sold 248,500 units.
Audi’s sales success is largely being put down to its performance in China, a market that accounted for almost one if five of all its cars sold globally. In China, Audi outsells Mercedes two to one.
Audi wants to surpass both BMW and Mercedes by 2015 and become the world’s leading luxury carmaker with annual sales of 1.5 million units. Its sales will be given a further boost later this year with the launch of the A1 supermini.
BMW is expected to post its results for the first quarter later this month.
Audi recorded its best-ever global sales in 2010’s first quarter, surpassing Mercedes for the first time in the process.
The German firm sold 264,100 units worldwide between January and March; Mercedes sold 248,500 units.
Audi’s sales success is largely being put down to its performance in China, a market that accounted for almost one if five of all its cars sold globally. In China, Audi outsells Mercedes two to one.
Audi wants to surpass both BMW and Mercedes by 2015 and become the world’s leading luxury carmaker with annual sales of 1.5 million units. Its sales will be given a further boost later this year with the launch of the A1 supermini.
BMW is expected to post its results for the first quarter later this month.
04-09-2010, 10:20 AM
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The VW with Audi, Lamborghini, Skoda, Bentley, Seat and now even with Porsche is already leader of the market.
No chance for Toyota and company. The growing strategy of VW is simply devastatingly efficient and unstoppable.
The Audi brand in the world economical downfall is the best demonstration how they are working good. Bravo.
No chance for Toyota and company. The growing strategy of VW is simply devastatingly efficient and unstoppable.
The Audi brand in the world economical downfall is the best demonstration how they are working good. Bravo.
04-09-2010, 11:21 AM
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Yeah, they're a really popular brand now (Audi), however their resale value is awful. VW especially has poor resale because it's not recognized as a luxury brand plus add outrageous maintenance costs.
VW would sell many more units if they could trim down those ownership costs to reasonable levels.
VW would sell many more units if they could trim down those ownership costs to reasonable levels.
04-09-2010, 11:54 AM
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2.0 liter 4 banger for $44k Audi?
HA, noobs.
HA, noobs.
04-09-2010, 12:29 PM
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Yeah, they're a really popular brand now (Audi), however their resale value is awful. VW especially has poor resale because it's not recognized as a luxury brand plus add outrageous maintenance costs.
VW would sell many more units if they could trim down those ownership costs to reasonable levels.
VW would sell many more units if they could trim down those ownership costs to reasonable levels.
04-09-2010, 02:21 PM
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Doesn't really surprise me.
Audi has been putting out lately. And if I had the disposable income to do so, I'd probably pick an Audi over a Merc even if you could get more car for the money in a Merc. (not sure if you can...just hypothetically speaking).
Audi has been putting out lately. And if I had the disposable income to do so, I'd probably pick an Audi over a Merc even if you could get more car for the money in a Merc. (not sure if you can...just hypothetically speaking).
04-09-2010, 07:25 PM
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big surprize will be Audi surpassing BMW. BMW lead is mostly due to Mini. Strip out Mini. Audi and BMW are equal.
Audi hasnt luanched X6,M3, 1 series sedan, 7 series, A6 allroader along with diesel 3 series competition yet in US market.
with Daimler joining Renault-Nissan-Autovaz alliance. I dont know how long BMW can compete alone, do all R&D by itself and still be profitable. Brand is not that strong.
Audi hasnt luanched X6,M3, 1 series sedan, 7 series, A6 allroader along with diesel 3 series competition yet in US market.
with Daimler joining Renault-Nissan-Autovaz alliance. I dont know how long BMW can compete alone, do all R&D by itself and still be profitable. Brand is not that strong.
04-09-2010, 08:15 PM
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big surprize will be Audi surpassing BMW. BMW lead is mostly due to Mini. Strip out Mini. Audi and BMW are equal.
Audi hasnt luanched X6,M3, 1 series sedan, 7 series, A6 allroader along with diesel 3 series competition yet in US market.
with Daimler joining Renault-Nissan-Autovaz alliance. I dont know how long BMW can compete alone, do all R&D by itself and still be profitable. Brand is not that strong.
Audi hasnt luanched X6,M3, 1 series sedan, 7 series, A6 allroader along with diesel 3 series competition yet in US market.
with Daimler joining Renault-Nissan-Autovaz alliance. I dont know how long BMW can compete alone, do all R&D by itself and still be profitable. Brand is not that strong.
1 Series = A1
7 Series = A8 (they have the W12 to compete with the V12 760 too)
I don't think Audi is crazy enough to pull out an X6 compeitior as the market's already small, and there's the ZDX that's help taking out sales as well.
BMW is a pretty strong brand, but will audi surpass them, sure! Audi has done an amazing job improving brand image, mainly it's been the R8 and the W12 A8's that they gave to the Transporter Movies that won their popularity with the younger crowds. As far as middle aged folks, their new ad campaigns of breaking free are spot on. BMW has always stuck with the ultimate driving machine and it's pretty sickening how far they've milked it.
04-09-2010, 08:44 PM
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A3 is not sedan yet. In US market Audi needs sedan below A4 in size of 3 series.
S4 is more towards 335XI. Audi wants its brand to be more premium than BMW. Q5 is more upscale than X3.
so S4 has to be more expensive than 335. New RS4 has to be more expensive than M3. New S6 more expensive than M5.
Audi A8 is not there yet to be more expensive than 7 series.
R8/RS6/S7/RS7/S8 should have no competition from BMW.
Q7 is another weak link in luxury SUV.
Chance of Audi surpassing BMW are very high. in profits and cash flow it is miles ahead of BMW. BMW as independent company simply cant compete against vast R&D and vast supply network VW world. there are 40 models in pipeline.
S4 is more towards 335XI. Audi wants its brand to be more premium than BMW. Q5 is more upscale than X3.
so S4 has to be more expensive than 335. New RS4 has to be more expensive than M3. New S6 more expensive than M5.
Audi A8 is not there yet to be more expensive than 7 series.
R8/RS6/S7/RS7/S8 should have no competition from BMW.
Q7 is another weak link in luxury SUV.
Chance of Audi surpassing BMW are very high. in profits and cash flow it is miles ahead of BMW. BMW as independent company simply cant compete against vast R&D and vast supply network VW world. there are 40 models in pipeline.
04-10-2010, 01:37 AM
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Well the R8 doesn't have competition right now from BMW because they've yet to make a halo car, i.e. build a platform from the ground up that's dedicated to maximizing performance. The M3, M5 and M6 are very good cars, but they're mostly based off their respective platforms, with a different engine, transmission and styling. On the other hand, Audi has never made a rear-mid engined car until now.