Audi: A5, S5, RS5 News
My thoughts exactly.
. That would fix it for me.
07-15-2011, 08:06 AM
#568
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08-03-2011, 01:35 PM
#571
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Beautiful.
And the A5 Premium Plus with Navi + Sport pkg is like $45k, not $50k. I don't think the pricing is that bad for what it is.
And the A5 Premium Plus with Navi + Sport pkg is like $45k, not $50k. I don't think the pricing is that bad for what it is.
08-03-2011, 01:39 PM
#573
I drive a Subata.
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^ oh yeah, that's for sure. 
229hp/323tq @ 91octane
229hp/323tq @ 91octane
08-04-2011, 04:56 AM
#575
*This is assuming the numbers were correct on pg 12*
Bi-turbo 4.2 liter V8 (450hp)
I think I would rather get an RS4 for much less, naturally aspirated 4.2 liter almost pushing the same hp.
Hell I could be a 2006 Elise and a 2007 RS4 prob for the same price I could get a new RS5. Use the Elise for dry weather and RS4 for rainy days
Bi-turbo 4.2 liter V8 (450hp)
I think I would rather get an RS4 for much less, naturally aspirated 4.2 liter almost pushing the same hp.
Hell I could be a 2006 Elise and a 2007 RS4 prob for the same price I could get a new RS5. Use the Elise for dry weather and RS4 for rainy days
08-04-2011, 09:25 AM
#576
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adding twin turbos to the engine gives a gain of 30 hp? 
that doesn't sound right. unless they improved torque and fuel econ considerably.
that doesn't sound right. unless they improved torque and fuel econ considerably.
08-04-2011, 01:59 PM
#578
Team Owner
i just built one. $48k and that s not even the Prestige one. 50k for a 2.0T when the 335 on the other hand is staring you at with 300Hp +
08-04-2011, 03:27 PM
#579
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Yes, it's not a Prestige one because I didn't build a Prestige one. And I just built one again to make sure I'm not BSing. I guess I was because Premium Plus + Nav + Sport came out to be $46,075.
When you shop around for a car, do you just compare an engine output relative to the sticker price? Really?
Are the A5 2.0T buyers dumb for getting it over 335i?
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08-04-2011, 06:22 PM
#581
Fahrvergnügen'd
The current 4.2 is 340hp in the S5 and 420hp in the RS5. I am going to go out on a limb and say that the 4.0T even with "only" 30hp more is going to be a lot quicker because of the torque curve.
08-04-2011, 06:33 PM
#582
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Yes, it's not a Prestige one because I didn't build a Prestige one. And I just built one again to make sure I'm not BSing. I guess I was because Premium Plus + Nav + Sport came out to be $46,075.
When you shop around for a car, do you just compare an engine output relative to the sticker price? Really?
Are the A5 2.0T buyers dumb for getting it over 335i?
When i shop around for a car, especially around $50k range, 200hp is just not enough, so yes engine output is just as important to me as anything else. the 2.0T in a GTi is perfect but when it is in a heavy car like A5, then it becomes seriously underpowered.
08-04-2011, 06:47 PM
#583
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^ Understood. 
I, too, love the performance of 335i.
apples and oranges I guess.
I, too, love the performance of 335i.
apples and oranges I guess.
08-04-2011, 07:43 PM
#584
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I can see why people buy 2.0T because it is prettier than 335. but definitely not because they think they can outperform 335. That is why i said why cant the 335 look like A5.
When i shop around for a car, especially around $50k range, 200hp is just not enough, so yes engine output is just as important to me as anything else. the 2.0T in a GTi is perfect but when it is in a heavy car like A5, then it becomes seriously underpowered.
When i shop around for a car, especially around $50k range, 200hp is just not enough, so yes engine output is just as important to me as anything else. the 2.0T in a GTi is perfect but when it is in a heavy car like A5, then it becomes seriously underpowered.
Just can't justify buying it.
08-05-2011, 10:37 AM
#585
Engineer
You'd think Audi would put in a larger Nav screen by now...
I sat in a 3 series and 5 series last week and those wide screen setups are stunning...
I sat in a 3 series and 5 series last week and those wide screen setups are stunning...
08-05-2011, 12:25 PM
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I can see why people buy 2.0T because it is prettier than 335. but definitely not because they think they can outperform 335. That is why i said why cant the 335 look like A5.
When i shop around for a car, especially around $50k range, 200hp is just not enough, so yes engine output is just as important to me as anything else. the 2.0T in a GTi is perfect but when it is in a heavy car like A5, then it becomes seriously underpowered.
When i shop around for a car, especially around $50k range, 200hp is just not enough, so yes engine output is just as important to me as anything else. the 2.0T in a GTi is perfect but when it is in a heavy car like A5, then it becomes seriously underpowered.
Now for the general consumer, they'll probably will be duped into buying a car because they aren't aware of what they are buying anyway. Could it be possible that 80% of 1 series owners thought they had purchased a FWD car? I can see that happening.
Now for those educated folks that aren't into modding, I agree that buying the 2.0T isn't for them, if they want an off the shelf beast, the 335 makes sense. But offering the 2.0T isn't much of a difference in power than the 323 other than the cylinder count, but the performance is similar, sure the motor will feel different, but if that's not that big of a deal to you, i don't see the issue with offering the 2.0T. Now if Audi offered the 3.0T on the A5, and kept the V8 in the R/S5, then there you would have a direct competitor to the 335.
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08-05-2011, 02:09 PM
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08-05-2011, 04:48 PM
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Yes, the Audi 3.0T is underrated. 
08-05-2011, 05:01 PM
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08-06-2011, 03:32 PM
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Do you buy a car based on a number? Performance-wise the car drives like it has way more than 200hp. Also people who actually buy these things don't just look at the outside, the interior is important to owners. And there, BMW really drops the ball and Audi owns.
08-09-2011, 06:39 PM
#591
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Unless the 2.0T in the A5 is different from the ones A4, then i know what it feels like. NO it does not feel it has WAY more than 200hp.
Exterior > Interior , unless of course, you own a 4G TL.
08-09-2011, 06:46 PM
#592
Team Owner
The enthusiasts don't look at it that way, espeically the Audi folks. They are all aware that the 2.0t is easily capable of more with a simple reflash. And with the 2.0T in the B8 bumping up to 333 lb-ft of torque with the retune, buying a 2.0T is the least of their concern when paying 50K for the car. Head over to the audi boards and you'll see there are plenty of happy people. So for them, they get a car that they think looks better than the 3 series, has a decent amount of power, but not as much as the 335.
Now for the general consumer, they'll probably will be duped into buying a car because they aren't aware of what they are buying anyway. Could it be possible that 80% of 1 series owners thought they had purchased a FWD car? I can see that happening.
Now for those educated folks that aren't into modding, I agree that buying the 2.0T isn't for them, if they want an off the shelf beast, the 335 makes sense. But offering the 2.0T isn't much of a difference in power than the 323 other than the cylinder count, but the performance is similar, sure the motor will feel different, but if that's not that big of a deal to you, i don't see the issue with offering the 2.0T. Now if Audi offered the 3.0T on the A5, and kept the V8 in the R/S5, then there you would have a direct competitor to the 335.
Now for the general consumer, they'll probably will be duped into buying a car because they aren't aware of what they are buying anyway. Could it be possible that 80% of 1 series owners thought they had purchased a FWD car? I can see that happening.
Now for those educated folks that aren't into modding, I agree that buying the 2.0T isn't for them, if they want an off the shelf beast, the 335 makes sense. But offering the 2.0T isn't much of a difference in power than the 323 other than the cylinder count, but the performance is similar, sure the motor will feel different, but if that's not that big of a deal to you, i don't see the issue with offering the 2.0T. Now if Audi offered the 3.0T on the A5, and kept the V8 in the R/S5, then there you would have a direct competitor to the 335.
IMO, Exterior/Engine are the first thing i look at. Wait, no, which wheels drive the car is the first thing i look at.
08-10-2011, 10:46 AM
#594
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If I can answer all those questions with a 200hp 2.0T then great. I've had HP in cars all over the place. I have a 170hp Jetta and a 190hp 328i (E36) right now. I've had a 340hp S4 and a 260hp Mazdaspeed3 too.
I guess my point is that numbers aren't the only story. I know you've driven a 2.0T so you have a frame of reference to say you don't like it. But I would imagine that for most people it's enough since most of us only use about half of a car's ability on a daily basis anyway (if that).
08-10-2011, 12:06 PM
#595
Team Owner
Exactly. The biggest issue to me is does the car "feel" as though it can get out of its own way? Do I feel like I'm going to get creamed by a truck if I try to merge into traffic? Can I get around some dipshit yakkin' on a cellphone and not paying attention? Do I enjoy driving the car?
If I can answer all those questions with a 200hp 2.0T then great. I've had HP in cars all over the place. I have a 170hp Jetta and a 190hp 328i (E36) right now. I've had a 340hp S4 and a 260hp Mazdaspeed3 too.
I guess my point is that numbers aren't the only story. I know you've driven a 2.0T so you have a frame of reference to say you don't like it. But I would imagine that for most people it's enough since most of us only use about half of a car's ability on a daily basis anyway (if that).
If I can answer all those questions with a 200hp 2.0T then great. I've had HP in cars all over the place. I have a 170hp Jetta and a 190hp 328i (E36) right now. I've had a 340hp S4 and a 260hp Mazdaspeed3 too.
I guess my point is that numbers aren't the only story. I know you've driven a 2.0T so you have a frame of reference to say you don't like it. But I would imagine that for most people it's enough since most of us only use about half of a car's ability on a daily basis anyway (if that).
But when you get to close to $50k like the A5, i personally would expect more of everything (more tech, more power, better interior and etc) Sure 200hp/200torque is defintely enough to get around for daily uses. Actually the Jetta's 2.5L is enough for that.
Don't get me wrong, i love the way A5 looks inside out, but just wish it had more power.
08-10-2011, 02:17 PM
#596
Fahrvergnügen'd
Correction: I never said i don't like the 2.0T engine, i think it is great in a GTi or Jetta and still justfiable for the entry level A4 since it starts in the low $30s for the 2.0T and premium brand status and comparable to TSX and C300
But when you get to close to $50k like the A5, i personally would expect more of everything (more tech, more power, better interior and etc) Sure 200hp/200torque is defintely enough to get around for daily uses. Actually the Jetta's 2.5L is enough for that.
Don't get me wrong, i love the way A5 looks inside out, but just wish it had more power.
But when you get to close to $50k like the A5, i personally would expect more of everything (more tech, more power, better interior and etc) Sure 200hp/200torque is defintely enough to get around for daily uses. Actually the Jetta's 2.5L is enough for that.
Don't get me wrong, i love the way A5 looks inside out, but just wish it had more power.
What I think Audi should do is put the TT-S/Golf R engine in the A5.
08-10-2011, 02:25 PM
#597
08-10-2011, 03:34 PM
#598
Fahrvergnügen'd
Because you have the A5/S5/RS5 against the 3xx/M3 ...
A5 - 2.0T w/200hp or 270hp (TT-S config)
S5 - 3.0T w/330hp
RS5 - 4.0T w/450hp
Though again Audi is selling a lot of A5s and the resale on them is through the roof ... Which means they are popular but too expensive new I guess.
I dunno. Give me the 3.0TDi in an A5 with the S-Line package and I'm done
08-10-2011, 05:07 PM
#599
Correction: I never said i don't like the 2.0T engine, i think it is great in a GTi or Jetta and still justfiable for the entry level A4 since it starts in the low $30s for the 2.0T and premium brand status and comparable to TSX and C300
But when you get to close to $50k like the A5, i personally would expect more of everything (more tech, more power, better interior and etc) Sure 200hp/200torque is defintely enough to get around for daily uses. Actually the Jetta's 2.5L is enough for that.
Don't get me wrong, i love the way A5 looks inside out, but just wish it had more power.
But when you get to close to $50k like the A5, i personally would expect more of everything (more tech, more power, better interior and etc) Sure 200hp/200torque is defintely enough to get around for daily uses. Actually the Jetta's 2.5L is enough for that.
Don't get me wrong, i love the way A5 looks inside out, but just wish it had more power.
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08-11-2011, 02:30 AM
#600
No need. With only 1000 euro you get in a few hours of work:
from ABT tuning 272 hp and 390 Nm (vs 350 Nm standard)
from MTM tuning 270 hp and 390 Nm.
they are very popular around here.
standard performance 100 km/h: 6,6 sec.
after tuning: 5,9 sec.