Audi: A4, S4, RS4 News
10-18-2004, 02:45 PM
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well im talking about chipped 1.8t, never once heard about one blowing. I wanted a b5 s4 before the a4 and reading all the threads about blown turbos turned me off. Even stock ones blew, but not as many as chipped ones of course.
10-18-2004, 03:01 PM
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jim, you didnt read the article from audi correctly.
they didnt mean that they are throwing in the towel and they are gonna start making 150hp cars...
they meant that they wont be competing with M, AMG like jesal said. What I gathered from them, is that they have reached their limit in terms of engines, which happens to be 450hp.
From this point on, they dont want to have hp wars with anyone, rather do their own thing and put more efforts in driving dynamics.
Audi is not going to stop using turbos.
"amirs rumored engines are about as likely as his ability to buy a 90k car,"
lol..that is funny. btw, 90k canadian.
they didnt mean that they are throwing in the towel and they are gonna start making 150hp cars...
they meant that they wont be competing with M, AMG like jesal said. What I gathered from them, is that they have reached their limit in terms of engines, which happens to be 450hp.
From this point on, they dont want to have hp wars with anyone, rather do their own thing and put more efforts in driving dynamics.
Audi is not going to stop using turbos.
"amirs rumored engines are about as likely as his ability to buy a 90k car,"
lol..that is funny. btw, 90k canadian.
10-18-2004, 05:24 PM
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I don't understand why Audi has RS and S lines. Why not just stick with one high-performance model and pool all of your time, energy, and money into that....wouldn't it be more effecient?
10-19-2004, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jimcol711
audi is moving away from turbos....the current RS6 is going out of production, the new A6 has no turbo options, the the A8 has no turbo options, the A4 has one and the TT has one, thats it, and i doubt those will be around much longer either. id like to know how anyone can discern from those pics that its an RS4...i mean that could simply be the B7 version of the S4...which in all probability it is, given the fact that the RS4 has never even been in north america before. amirs rumored engines are about as likely as his ability to buy a 90k car, lol. theres no way they are going to do anything like that man, where do you pull that crap from? didnt you see the article last week where audi SPECIFICALLY admited that they are throwing in the towel and bowing out of the horsepower wars of the last few years with all the AMG, M series, etc....audi said last week they will not continue this trend and that future S model cars will have little or no actual performance gains over the standard version of the car, much like the new TL A-Spec...an S car will end up being a suspension/appearance package.
sorry guys, these pics arent nearly as exciting as some want to beleive, id bet the farm that this is simply the new S4...the B7 facelifted S4..and its drivetrain will be the same thing thats in the current S4...340hp 4.2 V8.....
sorry guys, these pics arent nearly as exciting as some want to beleive, id bet the farm that this is simply the new S4...the B7 facelifted S4..and its drivetrain will be the same thing thats in the current S4...340hp 4.2 V8.....
The one clear direction is DI with their engines, but no evidence as with the turbos.
10-19-2004, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jimcol711
hell, this car in this thread could simply be a B7 A4 2.0t with the ultrasport package!!! theres no evidence to indicate what that is. as we have seen, the current A4 1.8t and 3.0 ultra sport package looks fucking sweet and looks more agressive than the B6 S4 even!! so hell, this could be the same thing....never know.
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2. The people that took that photo I am can hear the engine and even an amature car enthusiast will not mistake the sound of a 4banger with that of an 8 banger or even a 6.
10-19-2004, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jimcol711
the new 2.0t is just more or less a slight upgrade over the 1.8T, other than .2 liters (which is what in terms of volume? about the same amount of volume as 2 small swigs of beer) its probably much of the same drivetrain. this is sort of like how the S2000 had a 2.0l and now has a 2.2l....not too big of a difference, but it gives people the impression of something new, better, worth upgrading to, etc. .
10-19-2004, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jimcol711
i just highly doubt we will be seeing anymore Audi twin turbo vehicles again at all in the near future...in terms of cost to them for warranty work when things go wrong, its STAGGERING how much of a loss they take considering that you cant change turbos on a B5 S4 or C5 A6 like mine without pulling out the entire engine and removing the front end of the car. they are moving toward making more power N/A probably more for reliability and low cost of maintainance than anything else.
10-20-2004, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jimcol711
audi is moving away from turbos....the current RS6 is going out of production, the new A6 has no turbo options, the the A8 has no turbo options, the A4 has one and the TT has one, thats it, and i doubt those will be around much longer either. id like to know how anyone can discern from those pics that its an RS4...i mean that could simply be the B7 version of the S4...which in all probability it is, given the fact that the RS4 has never even been in north america before. amirs rumored engines are about as likely as his ability to buy a 90k car, lol. theres no way they are going to do anything like that man, where do you pull that crap from? didnt you see the article last week where audi SPECIFICALLY admited that they are throwing in the towel and bowing out of the horsepower wars of the last few years with all the AMG, M series, etc....audi said last week they will not continue this trend and that future S model cars will have little or no actual performance gains over the standard version of the car, much like the new TL A-Spec...an S car will end up being a suspension/appearance package.
sorry guys, these pics arent nearly as exciting as some want to beleive, id bet the farm that this is simply the new S4...the B7 facelifted S4..and its drivetrain will be the same thing thats in the current S4...340hp 4.2 V8.....
sorry guys, these pics arent nearly as exciting as some want to beleive, id bet the farm that this is simply the new S4...the B7 facelifted S4..and its drivetrain will be the same thing thats in the current S4...340hp 4.2 V8.....
Nifty shots nonetheless.
10-29-2004, 01:00 PM
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An even faster and more focused Audi RS4 will make its debut at next March’s Geneva Motor Show. Caught here in prototype guise undergoing high-speed handling tests at the Nürburgring circuit in Germany, the second-generation four-wheel-drive saloon represents an important change in Audi’s performance-car portfolio by foregoing traditional turbocharged power for a highly-tuned naturally aspirated engine.
The about-turn is part of a broader plan instigated by chairman Martin Winterkorn that aims to focus greater attention on Audi’s engineering prowess and further boost the image of its fledgling Audi Sport operation in the face of stiff competition from BMW’s M and Mercedes-Benz’s AMG divisions.
Based around the German car maker’s existing five-valve-per-cylinder 4.2-litre V8, the new RS4’s engine gains a host of lightweight internal components as well as modifications to the inlet and exhaust systems to help extend its top end and increase power. An impressive 425bhp is rumoured – some 44bhp more than the first-generation turbocharged 2.7-litre V6 RS4 launched in 2000 and 61bhp up on the recently facelifted S4 (see gallery).
‘We want to show that we can deliver a high-powered naturally aspirated engine,’ Audi engine boss, Wolfgang Hatz, told Autocar’s German sister publication auto motor und sport.
As with its predecessor, the new car channels its power through a six-speed manual gearbox and four-wheel-drive system. A dual-clutch DSG gearbox could be an option.
Despite tipping the scales at over 1600kg, the new car’s straight-line performance should be more than a match for the likes of the BMW M3 and Merc C55 AMG. Ingolstadt insiders hint at a 0-60mph time below the original RS4’s mark of 4.9sec and a top speed likely to be limited to 155mph, although the recent RS6 Plus is said to be good for 175mph before the limiter cuts in.
To ensure it is able to cope with the added power, Audi has brought some substantial changes to the standard S4’s chassis. Autocar’s scoop photographs reveal it gets wider tracks, a lowered ride height and 18-inch wheels among other more detailed changes. An estate is also expected.
Meanwhile, Hatz has ruled out that the evocative RS badge will be applied across the Audi line-up in the future. ‘The RS name is reserved for the A4 and A6,’ he says.
http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/new...p?na_id=211652
The about-turn is part of a broader plan instigated by chairman Martin Winterkorn that aims to focus greater attention on Audi’s engineering prowess and further boost the image of its fledgling Audi Sport operation in the face of stiff competition from BMW’s M and Mercedes-Benz’s AMG divisions.
Based around the German car maker’s existing five-valve-per-cylinder 4.2-litre V8, the new RS4’s engine gains a host of lightweight internal components as well as modifications to the inlet and exhaust systems to help extend its top end and increase power. An impressive 425bhp is rumoured – some 44bhp more than the first-generation turbocharged 2.7-litre V6 RS4 launched in 2000 and 61bhp up on the recently facelifted S4 (see gallery).
‘We want to show that we can deliver a high-powered naturally aspirated engine,’ Audi engine boss, Wolfgang Hatz, told Autocar’s German sister publication auto motor und sport.
As with its predecessor, the new car channels its power through a six-speed manual gearbox and four-wheel-drive system. A dual-clutch DSG gearbox could be an option.
Despite tipping the scales at over 1600kg, the new car’s straight-line performance should be more than a match for the likes of the BMW M3 and Merc C55 AMG. Ingolstadt insiders hint at a 0-60mph time below the original RS4’s mark of 4.9sec and a top speed likely to be limited to 155mph, although the recent RS6 Plus is said to be good for 175mph before the limiter cuts in.
To ensure it is able to cope with the added power, Audi has brought some substantial changes to the standard S4’s chassis. Autocar’s scoop photographs reveal it gets wider tracks, a lowered ride height and 18-inch wheels among other more detailed changes. An estate is also expected.
Meanwhile, Hatz has ruled out that the evocative RS badge will be applied across the Audi line-up in the future. ‘The RS name is reserved for the A4 and A6,’ he says.
http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/new...p?na_id=211652
10-29-2004, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by amirsafdari
here are the rumors for engines:
3.2 twin turbo 6
3.0 twin turbo 6
RS6 engine twin turbo 8 (450hp..and massive amounts of torque)
lastly
450hp NA V8 S4 engine...
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3.2 twin turbo 6
3.0 twin turbo 6
RS6 engine twin turbo 8 (450hp..and massive amounts of torque)
lastly
450hp NA V8 S4 engine...
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but still might not be true
10-31-2004, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
What's the difference between the S4 and RS4?
In reality? I dunno
11-01-2004, 08:33 PM
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True, the RS4 was always offered over seas in Avant form (wagon). But now will be offered in sedan. The RS4 was never offered in the states before but had much more power than the US spec S4.
11-15-2004, 11:21 AM
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Here are more spy pics!
And more can be seen here: http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/read.ph...=60445&t=60445
And more can be seen here: http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/read.ph...=60445&t=60445
11-15-2004, 12:53 PM
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Yup, I want one. 
Just hope that the new Audis get rid of that all-red interior lighting for all the buttons and displays.
Just hope that the new Audis get rid of that all-red interior lighting for all the buttons and displays.
11-15-2004, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Yup, I want one.
Just hope that the new Audis get rid of that all-red interior lighting for all the buttons and displays.
Just hope that the new Audis get rid of that all-red interior lighting for all the buttons and displays.
11-15-2004, 06:11 PM
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I actually asked a friend who eats sleeps and breathes his S4 why audi chose red interior lighting and he said because red is the most soothing color on the eyes in the dark .. I guess it makes sense but I'd have to drive one around for a few days to see. his s4 also has like red LED "mood" lights on the roof console that illuminate everything in the front console area in a very light, red glow ..
11-15-2004, 11:56 PM
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Actually red lights make the eyes adapt better to light at night.
Something to do with the rods in the eyes not being as shocked by Red light in dark conditions.
Same theory for pilots as they use red sheilds on their flashlights to not destroy their night-vision while flying.
Something to do with the rods in the eyes not being as shocked by Red light in dark conditions.
Same theory for pilots as they use red sheilds on their flashlights to not destroy their night-vision while flying.
11-17-2004, 09:22 AM
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cmon guys, ROYGBIV. red orange yellow green blue indigo violet. red has either the shortest or longest wavelengths, not sure which one. either way i know it easiest on your eyes being the lowest on the spectrum.
12-06-2004, 08:26 PM
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Audi RS4
An even faster and more focused second-generation Audi RS4 will make its debut at next March’s Geneva motor show.
Caught here undergoing high-speed handling tests at the Nürburgring, the new awd sedan and wagon will do away with the turbo V6 in favor of a 4.2-liter V8, rumored to develop 425 hp, 44 hp more than the first-generation, turbocharged 2.7-liter V6-powered RS4 launched in 2000 and 61 hp up on the recently facelifted S4.
“We want to show that we can deliver a high-powered, naturally aspirated engine,” says Audi engine boss, Wolfgang Hatz. The new car channels its power through a Getrag-engineered six-speed manual gearbox and Audi’s Torsen-differential fwd system. Audi sources said the new car’s straight-line performance should be more than a match for the likes of the M3 and C55 AMG: Ingolstadt insiders hint at a 0-to-60-mph time below the original RS4’s mark of 4.9 seconds and a top speed that’s likely to be limited to 175 mph. To ensure it is able to cope with the added power, Audi widens the track, lowers the ride height and installs 18-inch wheels and tires.
An even faster and more focused second-generation Audi RS4 will make its debut at next March’s Geneva motor show.
Caught here undergoing high-speed handling tests at the Nürburgring, the new awd sedan and wagon will do away with the turbo V6 in favor of a 4.2-liter V8, rumored to develop 425 hp, 44 hp more than the first-generation, turbocharged 2.7-liter V6-powered RS4 launched in 2000 and 61 hp up on the recently facelifted S4.
“We want to show that we can deliver a high-powered, naturally aspirated engine,” says Audi engine boss, Wolfgang Hatz. The new car channels its power through a Getrag-engineered six-speed manual gearbox and Audi’s Torsen-differential fwd system. Audi sources said the new car’s straight-line performance should be more than a match for the likes of the M3 and C55 AMG: Ingolstadt insiders hint at a 0-to-60-mph time below the original RS4’s mark of 4.9 seconds and a top speed that’s likely to be limited to 175 mph. To ensure it is able to cope with the added power, Audi widens the track, lowers the ride height and installs 18-inch wheels and tires.
12-06-2004, 11:37 PM
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cmon guys, ROYGBIV. red orange yellow green blue indigo violet. red has either the shortest or longest wavelengths, not sure which one. either way i know it easiest on your eyes being the lowest on the spectrum.
12-07-2004, 10:31 PM
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I think Audi is doing the right thing "feeling" that they should produce a high HP NA engine. They need to prove to the world they can play both the NA and the force-fed game with engines.
12-07-2004, 10:43 PM
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Ingolstadt insiders hint at a 0-to-60-mph time below the original RS4’s mark of 4.9 seconds
meh, will people really want to spend the extra cash for this over the S4?
meh, will people really want to spend the extra cash for this over the S4?
12-08-2004, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
meh, will people really want to spend the extra cash for this over the S4?
12-08-2004, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Depending on how much it comes in at, I think so......especially if it arrives with an available 6spd (unlike the RS6).
but 0-60 in 4.9? Come on thats not that impressive compared to the M3 and S4
12-09-2004, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
but 0-60 in 4.9? Come on thats not that impressive compared to the M3 and S4
my bet is that we can 100% be assured it will be faster than an m3 in terms of 0-60.
The 340hp S4 is only 0.2-0.4 seconds slower than an M3..
the rs4 is going to be lighter than the S4...and its gonna have 85 more horsepower.
02-01-2005, 11:01 PM
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My problem with the A4 and A6 Audis exterior design is that they all seem to be based on a too-short of a wheelbase. The front overhang is just rediculously long. It just makes the car look old and of inferior platform design to me. Unlike BMW cars.
02-02-2005, 07:18 AM
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I’ve liked Audi’s exterior style in the past, but I can’t stand their new “Freightliner” grill design.
Too bad it’s gonna show up on the entire line.
Too bad it’s gonna show up on the entire line.
02-17-2005, 03:54 PM
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They just hit dealers here for those who wanted to check them out.
http://forums.audiworld.com/a4b7/msgs/1783.phtml
http://forums.audiworld.com/a4b7/msgs/1783.phtml
02-17-2005, 04:25 PM
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man i love the look of the new Audi's. Last Tuesday night driving home a friend's house I saw one on the road; it looks DAMN nice. That grill is very very classy. I think its the best looking car in its class, but I'd still take an Infiniti M over it only because of the sportiness and long term reliability (something I expect will be good).
Oh and as for the new A4, also love the look. I think it looks better than anything this class as well. It'd be tough deciding between a 3 or A4 for me (sporty factor vs looks).
Oh and as for the new A4, also love the look. I think it looks better than anything this class as well. It'd be tough deciding between a 3 or A4 for me (sporty factor vs looks).
02-17-2005, 07:47 PM
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I really like the big grill with the wagons, it makes the wagons look great. Without big wheels and a drop, the big grill looks tacked on. But it is very eye catching and kudos to them for that.