Audi: A4, S4, RS4 News
11-10-2011, 03:27 PM
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11-10-2011, 03:52 PM
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Thank you. You said what I was looking for. Was that so hard? I just can't help to think that if this was Acura and they were saying that they were discontinuing the manual in the TL, there would have been a ten page thread chastising Honda. However, we are talking about Audi here, so we can blame it on the industry trend.
And for the record, I would expect people to come out and berate Acura and Honda about putting Autos in sports cars without an option for a Manual because this is a Acura (honda) forum! I would expect a 10pg thread chastising Audi on an Audi forum as much as I would expect the same if it were about a Honda/Acura on a Honda/Acura forum. How hard is that for you to swallow? Is it that since you are a Honda Aficianado that we, also Honda/Acura fans, aren't allowed to speak negatively, even if it is constructive about a brand that many of us may love even more than you? How many Acura's or Honda's have you owned by the way?
For your information, yes, Honda has slipped slightly is quality, however, they still rank higher than most:http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2010034
What were you for Halloween this year? The Pot or the Kettle?
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11-10-2011, 04:24 PM
#1243
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I'm not backing away from anything. I asked you a yes or no question and you couldn't answer it. I never said performance cars should ONLY have manual transmissions. All I said was that the S4 is a performance car and that not having the option of a manual takes away from the joy of driving one.
Can you answer my question? It's a simple yes or no.
Can you answer my question? It's a simple yes or no.
BTW.....Tell us all how Super Car owners have no joy driving their Ferrari, Lamborghini cars around with their dual clutch gearboxes......you can tell from the sales figures that nobody is having any joy whatsoever.
11-10-2011, 04:25 PM
#1244
The sizzle in the Steak
11-10-2011, 04:42 PM
#1245
Honda Fanboy
And what great knowledge did you gain from enthusiasts telling you that they don't like autos in sports car? I hate to tell it to you but that information has been known for many years now Captain O.
And for the record, I would expect people to come out and berate Acura and Honda about putting Autos in sports cars without an option for a Manual because this is a Acura (honda) forum! I would expect a 10pg thread chastising Audi on an Audi forum as much as I would expect the same if it were about a Honda/Acura on a Honda/Acura forum. How hard is that for you to swallow? Is it that since you are a Honda Aficianado that we, also Honda/Acura fans, aren't allowed to speak negatively, even if it is constructive about a brand that many of us may love even more than you? How many Acura's or Honda's have you owned by the way?
That's fine, but for the record, my Audi A4 in the last three years of ownership has been more reliable than my Acura CL Type S was in it's first year of ownership.
What were you for Halloween this year? The Pot or the Kettle?
And for the record, I would expect people to come out and berate Acura and Honda about putting Autos in sports cars without an option for a Manual because this is a Acura (honda) forum! I would expect a 10pg thread chastising Audi on an Audi forum as much as I would expect the same if it were about a Honda/Acura on a Honda/Acura forum. How hard is that for you to swallow? Is it that since you are a Honda Aficianado that we, also Honda/Acura fans, aren't allowed to speak negatively, even if it is constructive about a brand that many of us may love even more than you? How many Acura's or Honda's have you owned by the way?
That's fine, but for the record, my Audi A4 in the last three years of ownership has been more reliable than my Acura CL Type S was in it's first year of ownership.
What were you for Halloween this year? The Pot or the Kettle?
People criticizing their brand of choice should be expected. I never said that people shouldn't point out the negatives of a brand. However, it's the manner in which is constantly and repeatedly pointed out that takes away the credibility of the poster. I accept that 100%. I gotta say though that you're probably better at swallowing bigger things than I am.
I've owned two Honda's, kind of. One was a hand-me-down and the other was one that I bought because I wanted it. I could lie and say I've owned ten Honda's but what does it matter if I've owned one or one hundred? I'm not a blind fanboy. I'm a fan for sure, but I'm not blind to the positive and negative aspects of Honda and I've had no problem expressing that in here.
I'm glad your A4 has been reliable for you. However, it doesn't change the fact that Honda and Acura as a brand in general is much more reliable than most other brands, by far. Just like you have an unusually rare reliable A4, some people also get a rare unreliable Honda.
I didn't dress up for Halloween. Who have I personally attacked or insulted on here? If I ever have, I'm certain I did it in response to an attack or insult against me, but usually I ignore it.You seem confident about it though so you should be able to easily find an example to prove me wrong, right?
11-10-2011, 04:45 PM
#1246
Honda Fanboy
And there you have it. So why do you keep going on and on and on and on....you make no sense.
BTW.....Tell us all how Super Car owners have no joy driving their Ferrari, Lamborghini cars around with their dual clutch gearboxes......you can tell from the sales figures that nobody is having any joy whatsoever.
BTW.....Tell us all how Super Car owners have no joy driving their Ferrari, Lamborghini cars around with their dual clutch gearboxes......you can tell from the sales figures that nobody is having any joy whatsoever.
I'll ask you again, Moog. Do you agree with the move Audi has made with the S4? Yes or no.
You've avoided the question three times now.
11-10-2011, 04:45 PM
#1247
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Thank you. You said what I was looking for. Was that so hard? I just can't help to think that if this was Acura and they were saying that they were discontinuing the manual in the TL, there would have been a ten page thread chastising Honda. However, we are talking about Audi here, so we can blame it on the industry trend.
Once again I agree that a manual tranny provides an undeniable sensory experience when driving. An undeniable fun factor. But the facts of the matter are, an auto tranny, or DSG, is faster than a driver sifting a manual tranny.
11-10-2011, 04:51 PM
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Well, I'll come out and say it: I think it kinda sucks that manual transmissions are going.
However, that being said, I also think the clutchless way of driving a sportscar with the sequential gearboxes is also not terrible. I like it since I have something that mimics it in my current ride.
Still, it would not hurt if manufacturers provided the option.
VTEC, I think what is happening here with the Honda-Acura hate that you're seeing is simple: Most of us see the brand more or less stagnant and so, with every new negative, it gets piled on more. Other manufacturers, at least they appeal to us in regards to trying to continue and push the envelope in performance, engines, and so on. So, in the case of Audi, sure...while it sucks that the manual gearbox is gone, there is not as much negative vibe because well, it's a freaking RS4 or S4.
If Acura/Honda had an equivalent? Trust me...no pile-on if they took away the manual gearbox. Hell, if they took away heated mirrors, it would not generate a peep.
However, that being said, I also think the clutchless way of driving a sportscar with the sequential gearboxes is also not terrible. I like it since I have something that mimics it in my current ride.
Still, it would not hurt if manufacturers provided the option.
VTEC, I think what is happening here with the Honda-Acura hate that you're seeing is simple: Most of us see the brand more or less stagnant and so, with every new negative, it gets piled on more. Other manufacturers, at least they appeal to us in regards to trying to continue and push the envelope in performance, engines, and so on. So, in the case of Audi, sure...while it sucks that the manual gearbox is gone, there is not as much negative vibe because well, it's a freaking RS4 or S4.
If Acura/Honda had an equivalent? Trust me...no pile-on if they took away the manual gearbox. Hell, if they took away heated mirrors, it would not generate a peep.
11-10-2011, 04:57 PM
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There was no knowledge gained from it. I was just trying to see how hard it was for people to say something negative about a brand other than Honda.It makes sense to me now though because I wasn't aware that you also owned an Audi. I understand where your hesitance comes from.
People criticizing their brand of choice should be expected. I never said that people shouldn't point out the negatives of a brand. However, it's the manner in which is constantly and repeatedly pointed out that takes away the credibility of the poster. I accept that 100%. I gotta say though that you're probably better at swallowing bigger things than I am.
I've owned two Honda's, kind of. One was a hand-me-down and the other was one that I bought because I wanted it. I could lie and say I've owned ten Honda's but what does it matter if I've owned one or one hundred? I'm not a blind fanboy. I'm a fan for sure, but I'm not blind to the positive and negative aspects of Honda and I've had no problem expressing that in here.
I'm glad your A4 has been reliable for you. However, it doesn't change the fact that Honda and Acura as a brand in general is much more reliable than most other brands, by far. Just like you have an unusually rare reliable A4, some people also get a rare unreliable Honda.
I didn't dress up for Halloween. Who have I personally attacked or insulted on here? If I ever have, I'm certain I did it in response to an attack or insult against me, but usually I ignore it.You seem confident about it though so you should be able to easily find an example to prove me wrong, right?
11-10-2011, 04:58 PM
#1250
Honda Fanboy
So the truth finally comes out. Why didn't you just come out with this point? Instead you make veiled comments about the S4 not having a manual option. Why? Everyone knows how you feel about H/A
Once again I agree that a manual tranny provides an undeniable sensory experience when driving. An undeniable fun factor. But the facts of the matter are, an auto tranny, or DSG, is faster than a driver sifting a manual tranny.
Once again I agree that a manual tranny provides an undeniable sensory experience when driving. An undeniable fun factor. But the facts of the matter are, an auto tranny, or DSG, is faster than a driver sifting a manual tranny.
Your comments about the experience of driving a manual mimic mine. I never said anything about which one shifts faster though so that's your own argument.
11-10-2011, 05:09 PM
#1251
Honda Fanboy
Well, I'll come out and say it: I think it kinda sucks that manual transmissions are going.
However, that being said, I also think the clutchless way of driving a sportscar with the sequential gearboxes is also not terrible. I like it since I have something that mimics it in my current ride.
Still, it would not hurt if manufacturers provided the option.
VTEC, I think what is happening here with the Honda-Acura hate that you're seeing is simple: Most of us see the brand more or less stagnant and so, with every new negative, it gets piled on more. Other manufacturers, at least they appeal to us in regards to trying to continue and push the envelope in performance, engines, and so on. So, in the case of Audi, sure...while it sucks that the manual gearbox is gone, there is not as much negative vibe because well, it's a freaking RS4 or S4.
If Acura/Honda had an equivalent? Trust me...no pile-on if they took away the manual gearbox. Hell, if they took away heated mirrors, it would not generate a peep.
However, that being said, I also think the clutchless way of driving a sportscar with the sequential gearboxes is also not terrible. I like it since I have something that mimics it in my current ride.
Still, it would not hurt if manufacturers provided the option.
VTEC, I think what is happening here with the Honda-Acura hate that you're seeing is simple: Most of us see the brand more or less stagnant and so, with every new negative, it gets piled on more. Other manufacturers, at least they appeal to us in regards to trying to continue and push the envelope in performance, engines, and so on. So, in the case of Audi, sure...while it sucks that the manual gearbox is gone, there is not as much negative vibe because well, it's a freaking RS4 or S4.
If Acura/Honda had an equivalent? Trust me...no pile-on if they took away the manual gearbox. Hell, if they took away heated mirrors, it would not generate a peep.
People here act like I think Honda can do no wrong. The fact that I haven't driven a Honda since 2005 should say enough about how I personally feel about Honda's current products. Aside for a couple models, there is nothing in the lineup that I am interested for myself. However, do you see me coming on here, multiple times a day, ranting about how Honda has nothing I want and they suck and are big failures? No. We already know how each and every one of us feels about the brand. It's not necessary to continuously bash the brand for things that EVERYONE already knows needs improvement(and that Honda has actually publicly stated that they are working to improve on). Honda doesn't have what I want, so I moved on. However, I'm still a Honda guy at heart and probably will be for a long time to come. Maybe it's my rational process that differs from a lot of people on here that allows me to analyze data and come to an educated conclusion? It just seems like no matter what is said or done, it's not right and people just automatically come to these radical conclusions without even taking a second to actually think about the situation.
I've said this in the recent past... If I was doing on other forums what some of the "fans" on here do or say, I would be labeled a troll.
11-10-2011, 05:18 PM
#1252
Honda Fanboy
You sure do understand. Did you also know that two months prior to buying our Audi I also bought our THIRD Acura vehicle? Yup, I bought two cars in one year, one was an Acura and the other an Audi. You're absolutely right, I never bash Audi. That's why if you happened to read my thread about my Audi purchase you would have read that I bashed Audi for not offering options they offer in Europe. You also haven't read that I've bashed Audi for not offering options on their 2008 A4 model that were once standard on their 2006 A4. Oh and to add, those bashings about Audi I made clear on this board as well as on the Audi message board I am a member of. Yea, you do understand. You know everything there is to know about us Honda/Acura Bashers.
Yet you can't swallow your pride and point out negative things about Honda just as much as you focus solely on the positive.
I guess I must be a bigger fanboy than you because I've owned three Acura's and my parents have owned Two Honda's.
Rare unreliable Honda? How many Honda's and Acura's were affected in the last 8 years by a fault transmissions, faulty airbags, premature wear of brakes among other known issues.
I don't need to go searching for posts of personal attacks. Your posts are a personal attack on yourself enough.
Yet you can't swallow your pride and point out negative things about Honda just as much as you focus solely on the positive.
I guess I must be a bigger fanboy than you because I've owned three Acura's and my parents have owned Two Honda's.
Rare unreliable Honda? How many Honda's and Acura's were affected in the last 8 years by a fault transmissions, faulty airbags, premature wear of brakes among other known issues.
I don't need to go searching for posts of personal attacks. Your posts are a personal attack on yourself enough.
Like I said already, I have no problem pointing out the negatives. I call it as it is. However, one thing you need to realize is that what may seem negative to one person, is not always negative to another person. We are all different people and that's what makes this world unique. You should be able to understand that. Just because I don't agree with all your negative comments on Honda, that doesn't mean I'm blind. I see your points, but you should allow yourself to be a little more open minded so you can see my points also.
Again, what does the number of cars owned have to do with how bag of a fan someone is. Did you ever think that there may be an age difference between when you started driving and when I started driving?
The transmission game is old news. By still using those issues as genuine problems that are still troubling Honda today is a joke. Even if you look at reliability ratings for the past ten years when Honda was in the thick of all those issue you mentioned, they were still better than most. You should ask yourself, if Honda was having these problems and were still rated so highly, what the hell was going on with other manufacturers? Thinking like that is an example of being more open minded.
Ohhhhhhh..... Attacking myself... Again!!! lol.
11-10-2011, 05:20 PM
#1253
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Okay folks...let's get back on topic, please.
11-10-2011, 05:39 PM
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You were quick to point out why I supposedly didn't want to bash Audi. I pointed out what I own to negate your comment because I talk negatively about Audi AND Acura when it comes to things I'm not happy about. So before you make accusations like ....
11-10-2011, 05:40 PM
#1255
The sizzle in the Steak
Yeah, what's your point? A manual transmission isn't a requirement for a sports car. However, what I did say was having one makes the car more enjoyable. Did I not?
I'll ask you again, Moog. Do you agree with the move Audi has made with the S4? Yes or no.
You've avoided the question three times now.
I'll ask you again, Moog. Do you agree with the move Audi has made with the S4? Yes or no.
You've avoided the question three times now.
That's laughable, because super cars that perform immensely better than the S4 and cost immensely more do not.
Your whole logic is laughable.
11-10-2011, 05:43 PM
#1256
Honda Fanboy
11-10-2011, 05:45 PM
#1257
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ THINK about who you are responding to and asking questions of. 
...or perhaps you don't know.
The question is pointless, because your original argument is still pointless and laughable.
Performance cars should have manual gearboxes
THINK about who you are responding to and asking questions of. ...or perhaps you don't know.
The question is pointless, because your original argument is still pointless and laughable.
Performance cars should have manual gearboxes
11-10-2011, 05:58 PM
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Well after owning a couple of cars with a dual clutch transmission that I can easily say i prefer it over a manual for a daily/fun car.
Now if it was a weekend only car for fun, then yes I would want a manual. Then again I would never buy an S4 if i wanted a weekend car...
Now if it was a weekend only car for fun, then yes I would want a manual. Then again I would never buy an S4 if i wanted a weekend car...
11-10-2011, 06:17 PM
#1259
The sizzle in the Steak
Well after owning a couple of cars with a dual clutch transmission that I can easily say i prefer it over a manual for a daily/fun car.
Now if it was a weekend only car for fun, then yes I would want a manual. Then again I would never buy an S4 if i wanted a weekend car...
Now if it was a weekend only car for fun, then yes I would want a manual. Then again I would never buy an S4 if i wanted a weekend car...
11-10-2011, 06:48 PM
#1260
Honda Fanboy
Okay here we go. Let's pretend that I don't even exist and that this conversation never took place. Now, let's pretend Audi was scouting out there most valued customers for a survey, and for some reason, they picked you. In this survey, their was only one question. To answer the question, you had to circle either YES or NO. You can only pick ONE answer. The question is: "We are considering deleting the option for a manual transmission in the S4. Do you feel that this is a good decison for the S4 model, considering the type of car it is?"
Lets pretend it's a race. Ready, set, GO!!
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11-11-2011, 12:48 PM
#1262
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ :wink: 
Oh Vtec.....oh the irony...oh the failure.
Oh Vtec.....oh the irony...oh the failure.
11-11-2011, 01:07 PM
#1263
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Wholly fuck, this thread has gone full retard 
11-11-2011, 08:09 PM
#1264
I drive a Subata.
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Yes, because VTEC kicked in. yo.
11-11-2011, 08:11 PM
#1265
Honda Fanboy
11-14-2011, 02:55 PM
#1267
The sizzle in the Steak
...and Vtec makes himself look foolish yet again.
...and he misses the point...entirely.
...and he misses the point...entirely.
11-14-2011, 03:04 PM
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Okay guys...I've already said it a few posts up to go back on topic.
One more and I'll be handing out vacations. This is not Ramblings.
One more and I'll be handing out vacations. This is not Ramblings.
11-14-2011, 05:24 PM
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I drive a Subata.
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Okay. Let me ZOOM ZOOM the thread back on topic.
Is it just me that the front looks like it has this sad/frowny face? Just a little. I wanted the facelifted version to be a little bit more aggressive than the original..
Well, it still looks great anyway though. I'm a little biased. Call me a Fanboy. The Audi Avants FTW.
Is it just me that the front looks like it has this sad/frowny face? Just a little. I wanted the facelifted version to be a little bit more aggressive than the original..
Well, it still looks great anyway though. I'm a little biased. Call me a Fanboy. The Audi Avants FTW.
11-14-2011, 05:54 PM
#1271
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Yes, I like the new tailight, but not liking that front fogs for some reason.
And for some reason, I'm really liking those wood panels inside. I usually always go with the brushed aluminum finish over anything, but that looks fantastic to me.
Maybe it's the 6MT part that's deceiving me to like it no matter what.
I should have test driven your car when we met up before. I wonder the shifter feels like the one in GTI. The GTI 6MT feels awesome. Very easy to drive fast.
And for some reason, I'm really liking those wood panels inside. I usually always go with the brushed aluminum finish over anything, but that looks fantastic to me.
Maybe it's the 6MT part that's deceiving me to like it no matter what.
I should have test driven your car when we met up before. I wonder the shifter feels like the one in GTI. The GTI 6MT feels awesome. Very easy to drive fast.
11-15-2011, 01:41 AM
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11-15-2011, 09:10 AM
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11-15-2011, 09:14 AM
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i wish they offered S upgrades when we got our Avant. the quad tips exhaust and other accents are nice.We did get the Sline package + Sport package on our avant, what I am referring to are the options of having the quad tip exhaust or S4 wheels, S4 door blades, etc... those were not available in the "S-Line" package. I understand why they don't offer it, just wished they would have offered them. Oh well.
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11-15-2011, 11:22 AM
#1275
The sizzle in the Steak
S line package is 
11-15-2011, 11:32 AM
#1276
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11-15-2011, 01:26 PM
#1278
i wish they offered S upgrades when we got our Avant. the quad tips exhaust and other accents are nice.We did get the Sline package + Sport package on our avant, what I am referring to are the options of having the quad tip exhaust or S4 wheels, S4 door blades, etc... those were not available in the "S-Line" package. I understand why they don't offer it, just wished they would have offered them. Oh well.
11-15-2011, 01:43 PM
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