Acura: TSX News
09-21-2007, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
That's a different question. I agree the RL is not qualified to be the brands flagship. Don't blame that on the RL. Blame that on the empty spot on the show room floor where a v8 200+ inch full size sedan should be parked. I think we blame too much on the RL. It's a great vehicle for where it is positioned. Of course it needs som improvements, but I still say Acura's got bigger issues that, once solved, will partially solve the RL's problems. Fix the brand image to compete in the $50k arena, and, simultaneously, introduce a full size sedan to go head to head with the LS, 750, S, etc.
09-21-2007, 11:03 AM
#802
Go Big Blue!
Originally Posted by titan
That was exactly my point.
09-21-2007, 07:56 PM
#803
I feel the need...
I personally love the TSX in current form, think the styling is still fresh and it's frugal at the pump.
Do I wish it had a little more power, sure. Do I wish it were F/R, you betcha.
BUT, 90% of my driving is straightline/highway commuting, so it suits my needs perfectly.
I agree that Honda definitely needs to pick it up a notch though, but I hope the next TSX doesn't stray too far from what made it successful. Personally, I'd love a smooth 2.5 V6 -- The IS250 V6 is a bit ragged imo.
Do I wish it had a little more power, sure. Do I wish it were F/R, you betcha.
BUT, 90% of my driving is straightline/highway commuting, so it suits my needs perfectly.
I agree that Honda definitely needs to pick it up a notch though, but I hope the next TSX doesn't stray too far from what made it successful. Personally, I'd love a smooth 2.5 V6 -- The IS250 V6 is a bit ragged imo.
09-25-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by amv12
This thing looks eerily like the last gen Camry Solara 
I'm hoping the next TSX will look more like the sports 4 concept.
I'm hoping the next TSX will look more like the sports 4 concept.
09-25-2007, 09:35 PM
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I feel the need...
Originally Posted by heyitsme
Sad but true, bland as hell minus a grill that is already on an Acura. Usually the new TSX and Mazda 6 are right on par, but Acura gave up after stealing the grill from the MDX while Mazda went ahead and designed a new car.
The new 6 looks great, too bad NA won't be getting it.
09-26-2007, 11:20 AM
#810
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by Fibonacci
The new 6 looks great, too bad NA won't be getting it.
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10-03-2007, 02:53 PM
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New Spy Pics with some info.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=712986
The reliability of that info is in question but thats what I've been thinking for some time. Makes perfect sense IMO. Although I'm sure its due out next spring, not in the fall.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=712986
Early this morning, not far from Honda’s U.S. facilities, we were lucky enough to get a quick glance at the next generation Acura TSX.
The new TSX will take on a more aggressive look, taking design cues from the SPORTS 4 concept car shown at the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show.
An improved 2.4L i-VTEC 4 cylinder motor will go into the base model with an expected 20-30 horsepower bump. The entry level model will sport either a 6 speed manual, or 5 speed auto, and will be front wheel drive.
A hotter Type-S model should also appear with power coming from the 260hp turbocharged motor also found in the Acura RDX. The sportier model will feature a 6 speed auto/manual DSG gearbox, and is expected to feature Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive system.
While this vehicle will be sold as the Acura TSX in the United States, this same car, with just a few minor styling adjustments, will also sell in European markets as the new Honda Accord.
With the 2008 Honda Accord getting a diesel motor, it is possible that we could see a diesel TSX as well.
Look for the TSX to start production towards the end of 2008.
The new TSX will take on a more aggressive look, taking design cues from the SPORTS 4 concept car shown at the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show.
An improved 2.4L i-VTEC 4 cylinder motor will go into the base model with an expected 20-30 horsepower bump. The entry level model will sport either a 6 speed manual, or 5 speed auto, and will be front wheel drive.
A hotter Type-S model should also appear with power coming from the 260hp turbocharged motor also found in the Acura RDX. The sportier model will feature a 6 speed auto/manual DSG gearbox, and is expected to feature Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive system.
While this vehicle will be sold as the Acura TSX in the United States, this same car, with just a few minor styling adjustments, will also sell in European markets as the new Honda Accord.
With the 2008 Honda Accord getting a diesel motor, it is possible that we could see a diesel TSX as well.
Look for the TSX to start production towards the end of 2008.
10-03-2007, 03:06 PM
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DSG?!?!?
10-03-2007, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
New Spy Pics with some info.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=712986
The reliability of that info is in question but thats what I've been thinking for some time. Makes perfect sense IMO. Although I'm sure its due out next spring, not in the fall.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=712986
The reliability of that info is in question but thats what I've been thinking for some time. Makes perfect sense IMO. Although I'm sure its due out next spring, not in the fall.
10-03-2007, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
FWD on the base model? That surprises me. Acura was sounding awfully committed to SHAWD
10-03-2007, 03:27 PM
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if thats the case, i would love a turbo AWD TSX, although i would still prefer if it i was rear wheel biased, ohh well cant have everything.
10-03-2007, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
The I4 motor in the base car is too weak to mate to SHAWD. It'll only drive up the price and degrade the performance. I think the Acura strategy is that only when the engine hp or torque output is too much for the FWD to handle then SHAWD will be deployed.
Having said that, this report got a couple things wrong. We know (I think) the TSX is due for the showrooms in early 08 and the TL is due late 08. Not sure how reliable this initial story is.
10-03-2007, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
if thats the case, i would love a turbo AWD TSX, although i would still prefer if it i was rear wheel biased, ohh well cant have everything.
10-03-2007, 03:49 PM
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ohh, then that isnt so bad.
10-03-2007, 05:24 PM
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Is it just me or does it look about the same size, but somewhat squatter?
10-03-2007, 05:32 PM
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2G TLX-S
Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
Actually, it sounds like a good idea to stay with the 2.4l I4. It's a great engine. It just didn't mesh with what I was expecting -- which is based on what we were previously hearing.
Having said that, this report got a couple things wrong. We know (I think) the TSX is due for the showrooms in early 08 and the TL is due late 08. Not sure how reliable this initial story is.
Having said that, this report got a couple things wrong. We know (I think) the TSX is due for the showrooms in early 08 and the TL is due late 08. Not sure how reliable this initial story is.
10-03-2007, 05:52 PM
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man, after seeing those spyshots, kind of disappointed. why are they saying it looks like the sports4 concept? yes i do see 4 doors, but it looks more like the current TL and Legacy a little bit.
ahh, it's still early, but one thing that doesn't make sense is that the Accord tourer concepts taillights and rearend are different than the rear taillights of the next TSX in the spyshots. i thought that they would be the same???? the current TSX and the JDM/Euro Accord wagon, their taillights kind of follow the same circular taillights pattern.
ahh, it's still early, but one thing that doesn't make sense is that the Accord tourer concepts taillights and rearend are different than the rear taillights of the next TSX in the spyshots. i thought that they would be the same???? the current TSX and the JDM/Euro Accord wagon, their taillights kind of follow the same circular taillights pattern.
10-03-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BurnabyTSX
what, no real MT on the SH-AWD model? Acura's lost me as a returning customer.
A hotter Type-S model should also appear with power coming from the 260hp turbocharged motor also found in the Acura RDX. The sportier model will feature a 6 speed auto/manual DSG gearbox, and is expected to feature Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive system.
According to this article, which no one knows is true or not, the entry level model will have both an AT and a true MT. The Type-S will have the DSG.
10-03-2007, 09:24 PM
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Turbo with no coupe and no 6...color me gone.....maybe the TL will get the coupe?
Pics, even when you think through the camo, look sad.....still early... will just see what happens....what ever, hope they can build something where the brakes can make 40,000 miles for those left behind..
Pics, even when you think through the camo, look sad.....still early... will just see what happens....what ever, hope they can build something where the brakes can make 40,000 miles for those left behind..
10-03-2007, 09:27 PM
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Pics to make viewing easier
Last edited by csmeance; 10-03-2007 at 09:30 PM.
10-03-2007, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
FWD on the base model? That surprises me. Acura was sounding awfully committed to SHAWD
10-03-2007, 11:00 PM
#828
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
An improved 2.4L i-VTEC 4 cylinder motor will go into the base model with an expected 20-30 horsepower bump. The entry level model will sport either a 6 speed manual, or 5 speed auto, and will be front wheel drive.
A hotter Type-S model should also appear with power coming from the 260hp turbocharged motor also found in the Acura RDX. The sportier model will feature a 6 speed auto/manual DSG gearbox, and is expected to feature Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive system.
According to this article, which no one knows is true or not, the entry level model will have both an AT and a true MT. The Type-S will have the DSG.
A hotter Type-S model should also appear with power coming from the 260hp turbocharged motor also found in the Acura RDX. The sportier model will feature a 6 speed auto/manual DSG gearbox, and is expected to feature Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive system.
According to this article, which no one knows is true or not, the entry level model will have both an AT and a true MT. The Type-S will have the DSG.
10-04-2007, 01:49 AM
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The biggest news in this is that you can actually have a choice (for drivetrain) in an Acura. So basically you get the current gen TSX with a new body and a tweak to the current drivetrain or jump up to the RDX drivetrain. To keep the base car at 30K they saved money on the drivetrain but the Type S will probably be 35K.
Can't quite tell the details of the car under all that camo but looks good so far.
Can't quite tell the details of the car under all that camo but looks good so far.
10-04-2007, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
The biggest news in this is that you can actually have a choice (for drivetrain) in an Acura. So basically you get the current gen TSX with a new body and a tweak to the current drivetrain or jump up to the RDX drivetrain. To keep the base car at 30K they saved money on the drivetrain but the Type S will probably be 35K.
Maybe they finally figured out that if you offer more drivetrains configuratuions in a model (like the 3 series does), they might actually attract more buyers
I really don't under stand why basic marketing stuff like this somehow escapes the geniuses over there at honda/acura
10-04-2007, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
I really don't under stand why basic marketing stuff like this somehow escapes the geniuses over there at honda/acura
Regarding the photos; I agree this looks almost identical to the current body -- maybe a bit wider in proportion. It's kind of late in the game , but, could this just be a mule? Then again, if so, why all the camo? I'm not sure what I'm seeing here.
10-04-2007, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
I think they promote from within and all their marketing and planning guys are ex-engineers. It's the only way to explain a company that makes such great products but does such stupid things on the back end.
Regarding the photos; I agree this looks almost identical to the current body -- maybe a bit wider in proportion. It's kind of late in the game , but, could this just be a mule? Then again, if so, why all the camo? I'm not sure what I'm seeing here.
Regarding the photos; I agree this looks almost identical to the current body -- maybe a bit wider in proportion. It's kind of late in the game , but, could this just be a mule? Then again, if so, why all the camo? I'm not sure what I'm seeing here.
10-04-2007, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BurnabyTSX
um. That's what I was saying. If the Type-S only comes with the DSG, I'm looking elsewhere.
10-04-2007, 08:30 AM
#835
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
I think it is the next gen, it's just that the front end is similar to the current model. The back end, however, looks completely different to me and I think that will be more apparent after the camo is off. It seems to be more of a gradual change to the body, just like the new gen G35. IMO, the exterior of the G35 hardly changed at all. But if this is indeed the TSX, I'll be glad to say that it has not grown huge in size just because of a redesign. I really hate when vehicles get bigger just because it's a new gen.
10-04-2007, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
I think it is the next gen, it's just that the front end is similar to the current model. The back end, however, looks completely different to me and I think that will be more apparent after the camo is off. It seems to be more of a gradual change to the body, just like the new gen G35. IMO, the exterior of the G35 hardly changed at all. But if this is indeed the TSX, I'll be glad to say that it has not grown huge in size just because of a redesign. I really hate when vehicles get bigger just because it's a new gen.
so far...i think it looks good. i'm worried about the grill as i'm afraid it'll get the MDX treatment.
otherwise, i like that it looks to be keeping its size and its overall look. like the g35, i was hoping it would still resemble the 1st gen but look more aggressive and wider.
10-04-2007, 08:40 AM
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Go Big Blue!
Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
so far...i think it looks good. i'm worried about the grill as i'm afraid it'll get the MDX treatment.
otherwise, i like that it looks to be keeping its size and its overall look. like the g35, i was hoping it would still resemble the 1st gen but look more aggressive and wider.
It's hard to judge it on style until they reveal the front and rear. I remember the new accord spy shots looked very boring. Now that it's in full view, it looks very good. Looks even better in person.
10-04-2007, 09:03 AM
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This post on tov makes a fair case for the front looking like the Europe Accord wagon concept. Also the wheels look very close to the concept...???
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=712986
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=712986
10-04-2007, 10:23 AM
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I'm not really liking that triangular bulge on the hood. What's up with that?
On the other hand, it doesn't appear to be as front-bulging as the tourer concept... Proportions look somewhat ok. I'm crossing my fingers.
DSG would be awesome, I even find that hard to believe. I would expect a regular 6 sp auto.
PS. What's the verdict on rear LED's?
On the other hand, it doesn't appear to be as front-bulging as the tourer concept... Proportions look somewhat ok. I'm crossing my fingers.
DSG would be awesome, I even find that hard to believe. I would expect a regular 6 sp auto.
PS. What's the verdict on rear LED's?
10-04-2007, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Texas
This post on tov makes a fair case for the front looking like the Europe Accord wagon concept. Also the wheels look very close to the concept...???
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=712986
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=712986
