oonowindoo

No one is comparing TLX to a M3.... M340i is the direct competitor.. or at least that is what Acura thought...

at 55k, a well equipped M340i is just a few thousand more.

you are so clueless..

Comfy

yes, that’s what I meant.

ttribe

Can I get in on this race, too? I have 20s on my F10...

ttribe

You know he just got one...right?

oonowindoo

I dont know how i can be clueless when i just built and drive a 2021 M340i.. so i know how much they cost... mid 60k gets you a FULLY LOADED one. And when we talk about fully loaded M340i, it will have a lot of features that TLX-S will not have. So it is not even a fair comparison...

Mine is at 62k and other than laser light and auto driving crap, i pretty much have everything... I even have power tailgate and PS4 tires and spares that most of the M340i will not have. Oh yah maybe because mine is RWD.. that saves me $2000....

Also i said "at 55k, a well equipped M340i is just a few thousand more." That means 55k (TLX-S) + a few thousands

oonowindoo

No.. u r gonna make him bring out the big guns - RLX with upgraded tires....

ttribe

oonowindoo

^ you are right, you will stay and he will travel back in time. That is what RLX with upgraded tires do.

ttribe

04WDPSeDaN

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The Acura fanboys which drive rolling shit boxes are at it again with their worthless 2 cents

SamDoe1

Hell yeah, lets do this. Two BMW's, an Acura with tiny rims, and a golf cart line up to race. Which one wins?

Comfy

None. SSFTSX comes back from behind and beats all of them on his roller skates since they have the tiniest wheels.

Legend2TL

Had no clue

But where is my statement then?

Yumcha

Which one has yoke steering?

Yumcha

Have we considered just you know, tossing out the hood, all passenger seats, trim...you know...to lighten the load?

00TL-P3.2

^ Worked for Sabine in the Transit on the 'Ring
Tape up the panel gaps, too.
Get a big wang Viper to cut a clean hole in the air ahead.

Yumcha

I'd probably throw out the windows too.

Yumcha

@ Sabine...

oonowindoo

Acura...

TSX69

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/09/09/...d-trip-update/

2021 Acura TLX Long-Term Update | Pleasurable drive, puzzling gremlin

You wanted to get out of the car right here in traffic, right?

Byron Hurd
Sep 9th 2021 at 10:00AM

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This was my 1st long haul behind the wheel of our long-term 2021 Acura TLX, and past experience with the brand (and Honda in general) led me to believe that if I could get past any seat comfort issues, the TLX and I would get along just fine. As it turned out, I had no cause to worry in the first place. The TLX’s seats are comfortable and supportive enough for my typical driving position – and look great in red to boot. Not having to worry about my back screaming at me after a couple solid hours on the highway, I was able to devote my attention elsewhere, and the report is largely positive.

To me, the most impressive thing about the TLX is how small it feels from behind the wheel. I’ve had it in my driveway for nearly 2 months (for various reasons, none of them good; look for more in a future update) and despite driving it rather frequently, I often forget that it’s a midsize.

How’d Acura accomplish that? It’s all in the feedback. The steering is dialed in pretty much perfectly and lacks the artificial and distant sensation present in Audi’s FWD-based luxury sedans, for example. I’d even put the TLX ahead of BMW’s 2 Series Gran Coupe in this department. Sure, they’re very different vehicles, but that Acura can accomplish this with something as large as the TLX while even BMW’s compacts disappoint? Well, it says something.

And though it may feel small, it isn’t. The TLX more than accommodated enough luggage for two people traveling to a Lake Michigan wedding over a long weekend, and did shuttle duty throughout the festivities without even a peep from rear-seat passengers, apart from commentary about the red leather. It’s a bit polarizing, I’ll admit, but I think it looks great against the blue exterior.

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Over the 500-mile round trip, the TLX averaged just a hair under 30 mpg (against an EPA rating of 29 mpg highway; score one for the numbers geeks) at cruising speeds of 75-80. Michigan highways aren’t known for top-notch surfaces, but even on the grooved pavement found on many of its interstates and other rural expressways, tire hum never became intrusive. Present? Sure, just not unpleasantly so.

My gripes are few. I wish the cruise control would be a bit more aggressive in accelerating to a set speed when resumed, for one; it seems downright lazy under certain conditions. I could also do entirely without the silly touchpad-like infotainment interface. It’s serviceable with practice, but seems over-engineered for something that could have easily been accomplished using conventional control schemes.

The wireless charging cubby on the center console is also a bit of a mixed bag. It’s handy, but I found that smaller phones (of which my Samsung Galaxy S10 is apparently one) can easily get jostled away from the ideal contact point for the charging coil, shutting it off entirely until the phone is pushed back into position. My phone still charges over the course of a drive, but not nearly as much as I’d like.

I've also encountered what appears to be a new gremlin, this time in the TLX's powertrain controls. While sitting at a light or stop sign with auto stop/start disabled, the TLX will occasionally shift itself into park, chime pleasantly, then unlock the doors to allow for passenger egress. That’s all very pleasant-sounding, but not the response I want when attempting to make a move into rush-hour traffic.

With the TLX approaching 10,000 miles under our stewardship, we’re coming up on its next service appointment. We’ll have the transmission looked at when we take it in for its oil change and tire rotation and report back when we know more. Stay tuned.

civicdrivr

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Transmission problems? Apparently it does have that Acura heritage after all

SSFTSX

TLX pull 0.97G on MT test. it is much higher G than most cars in its class. but most important thing is it pull those Gs with 20inch rim which no one else can beat it. Its ground breaking.

SamDoe1

I thought bigger wheels were bad?

SSFTSX

thats the point i am making. TLX is so superior platform that bigger wheels not inhibit its handling poweress.

SamDoe1

Then put it up against another car with the same wheels and see what happens.

SSFTSX

Lexus ISF with 19inch rims and 265 rear tires cannot match it. and this proven from both C&D and MT. no other vehciles can match it. infact after 40K miles. TLX handling will be even better than M3 with same wheel design.

pttl

oonowindoo

They are bad. if you put 17" on TLXS, it would pull 10G.. you will pass out.

SamDoe1

Cannot match what? There are countless videos with irrefutable proof that the TLX gets spanked by all of its rivals and even some cars in lower classes.

Sorry, I think you need to just leave this alone.

The ISF would dust a TLX. Until you're willing to roll out and meet me to try it, your words are garbage.

Legend2TL

Oh boy, the ignore button works so well here

Legend2TL

Ruh Roh, somewhere in millions of lines of source code there's a few lines of codes that escaped unit test

pttl

Yeah, he's really on a roll.

YEH

Already posted in the TLX sub-forum, but mind as well post it here.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-acura-tlx-type-s-vs-cadillac-ct5-v-2022-genesis-g70-comparison-test-review/


Type-S basically gets spanked by the CT5-V, its closest competitor in terms of size and focus.

Only area where the Acura beats the Cadillac is at the interior (long a weakness at Cadillac), but it still falls short of the aging G70 (when the next G70 hits, the gap will only increase).

Not surprisingly, the TLX was the slowest seller in 4 states for the Aug sales period, including the important NY market.

SSFTSX

Again a stupid comparison. why they are comparing vehicle on 20inch rim with vehicle on 19inch rim?. t

YEH

Lol!

There's nothing dumber than that excuse - which wouldn't explain the near 2 second difference in time btwn the G70 and Type S in hitting 100 mph.

The Type S is fat, slow and front-heavy - all anathema to being a performance sedan.

SSFTSX

Rim size have big impact. BMW will never sent 20inch rims vehicle let alone Genesis.
with larger rims G80 has such poor performance and handling desptie 3.5T engine.

YEH

^ Always coming up with lame excuses for why Acura fails - lol!

We're not talking 15" vs 20" wheels.

Only you think a 1" difference is wheel size makes a big difference.

In fact, when C/D tested different wheel sizes, there was no difference in 0-60 times or 1/4 mi times btwn 18" and 19" wheels they tested.

There was also very little difference in 1/4 mi times with smaller wheels (15" being the smallest).

Like I had stayed, there's nothing that really explains the huge 2 second difference in time in hitting 100 mph aside from the TLX being a fat pig.

The wider tires up front helps with grip, so it's not like there isn't some benefit to the wheel/tire set up in the Type S.

SSFTSX

where is the link to those tests with different wheel sizes which clearly in same tread pattern. Summer vs Summer. All Season vs All Season.
dont become joker.

TSX69

https://www.cars.com/articles/2021-a...ry-joy-441468/EXPERT REVIEW

2021 Acura TLX Type S Review: A Sensory Joy

By Joe Bruzek
October 28, 2021
The verdict: Through an array of technological wizardry, the Acura TLX Type S makes you grin in the corners without frowning in the straights.
Versus the competition: Most luxury brands have ditched affordable performance versions of their mainstream sedans, but the TLX Type S is a compellingly frugal option — if not as fire-breathing as some.
Redesigned for 2021, the TLX compact luxury sedan has impressive dynamics and a strong turbocharged 2.0-liter engine, but it longs for more. The TLX Type S is just that, with a turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6 and a stack of goodies in a refined performance package that doesn’t break the bank. Including destination, the sedan starts at $53,845 — fully loaded.

Related: 2021 Acura TLX Review: Subtle Changes, Big Improvements

Acura has been a quirky brand over the past decade, with beak-nosed sedans and SUVs, dual-screen multimedia systems and hybrids that don’t do much for fuel economy. Now, it seems to be finding its stride with its latest offerings in terms of styling, performance and value. The TLX isn’t without its quirks — most Acuras, for example, still lack a touchscreen for their multimedia systems — but the Type S is so good I can see past that miss.

6 Cylinders, 1 Turbocharger

2021 Acura TLX Type S | Cars.com photo by Joe BruzekAt the heart of the Type S is a 3.0-liter V-6 that uses a single twin-scroll turbocharger to make 355 horsepower, up 83 hp over the TLX’s turbo 2.0-liter 4-cylinder engine. The execution is very BMW-like, with minimal turbo lag despite Acura not choosing twin turbos — a setup prized for responsiveness. There is some lag, but it’s negligible in performance modes that make use of all 10 gears in the Type-S-specific 10-speed automatic transmission.

Driving the Type S is a sensory joy: angry pops on upshifts, gurgles on downshifts and whooshing acceleration noises from the turbochargers. The V-6 has a natural, refined hum during acceleration — at least I think it’s coming from the V-6. My ears might be fooled by the augmented engine sounds Acura pipes through the TLX’s stereo system; the digitized sound is so seamless and pleasing, however, that being synthesized isn’t a downside. The execution is far more refined than in the 2020 and 2021 Civic Type R, where it’s easy to pick out the artificial booming frequencies from the door speakers.

Mechanically, the TLX Type S has flaps in its mufflers that open in different driving modes to increase volume, and the end result of this mechanical/electrical trickery is a genuinely pleasing auditory experience (to me, anyway). That’s in contrast to the 2022 Genesis G70, whose 3.3-liter twin-turbo V-6 has a rather nondescript soundtrack. In less sporty cars, this much investment into drivetrain sound might be wasted effort, but a performance car’s soundtrack is a large part of feeling connected to the car, and the Type S doesn’t disappoint.
2021 Acura TLX Type S | Cars.com photo by Joe BruzekWhat is a little disappointing is that all that power is tasked with motivating a portly 4,200 pounds of car (even with Acura’s optional lightweight wheels). That’s hundreds of pounds heavier than comparable luxury AWD sports sedans, including the Audi S4 (3,847 pounds), Genesis G70 3.3T (3,887), BMW M340i (3,849) and Mercedes-AMG C43 (3,836). All of these cars have more favorable power-to-weight ratios. In previous testing, we clocked an AWD BMW M340i hitting 60 mph in just 3.89 seconds, while Acura reports a 0-60 time of “around 5 seconds” for the Type S. Driving the Type S right after the G70 3.3T we recently evaluated, the Acura feels more modest than that car, which offers harder kick-you-in-the-seat-of-your-pants acceleration.

10 Gears, All Good

Though it looks on paper like a carryover transmission from parent company Honda, the TLX Type S’ 10-speed automatic offers a drastically different experience versus the unit offered in the Odyssey minivan, MDX SUV, Accord sedan and even the base TLX. Mechanical and programming changes strengthen the transmission and quicken shifting, contributing a sense of directness and responsiveness that’s more akin to a dual-clutch automatic than, say, the Odyssey’s unresponsive 10-speed. There’s a consistent shift firmness across the gears — unlike, say, the Ford Mustang GT’s 10-speed, which can get mushy on light throttle even in the most aggressive driving mode. Turned up to the driver-selectable Sport Plus mode, the TLX Type S shifts so hard you can feel the entire drivetrain shudder in response. The programming is aggressive, but it feels worthwhile considering the resulting positive engagement, quick paddle-shifter response and minimal gear hunting.

Acura says the 10-speed in the Type S has a new torque converter, stronger internal gears, improved clutches and a transmission-fluid cooler to handle the extra power. The mechanical changes pair with unique programming for 40% faster downshifts and 30% faster upshifts in Sport Plus mode.


2021 Acura TLX Type S

Handling With Super-Handling All-Wheel Drive

There’s something odd about how the TLX Type S drives with its mechanical torque-vectoring AWD — it’s not bad, just unnatural. Throw it into a corner and you can feel the rear outside tire pushing from the back to help the nose rotate toward the apex. It’s an unusual experience, but it lets the Type S do things you wouldn’t think it could — without sacrificing ride quality. The standard adaptive shock absorbers with adjustable firmness have driver-selectable settings for comfort, but even in their most aggressive modes (Sport and Sport Plus offer the same damping), ride quality never feels harsh. My Type S wore optional lightweight 20-inch wheels ($800, which saves 21 pounds total) with Pirelli P Zero high-performance summer tires.

It’s hard to tell the Type S is based on a front-wheel-drive chassis considering its neutral balance and heft. If you really romp into a corner, the car rotates itself and slides out the back, allowing you to use throttle to power out of the corner. It’s interesting because you can plow into a corner too hot, then get on the throttle early (unintuitively, I might add) to rotate the car back on line. This torque-vectoring effect is most prominent in the Sport Plus driving mode.

The steering communicates everything the car is doing quite well, too, which isn’t typical in this class. Acura’s trick AWD pairs with a double wishbone front and multilink rear suspension. It’s a sporty configuration that shares some credit for the balance.

An electro-servo braking system replaces the vacuum-assisted brake booster with an electronic brake-by-wire assist. It’s an exceedingly common approach these days, but the hard brake pedal takes getting used to in normal driving because it’s difficult to modulate smoothly. The pedal has more precision and accuracy during aggressive use, however; it feels more natural in those situations than when driving around town.

TLX Type S Vs. the Competition

Just prior to the arrival of the TLX, I reviewed the updated 2022 Genesis G70 Sport Prestige with rear-wheel drive. It’s the most performance-oriented G70, and it’s a very good car that’s priced similarly to the TLX Type S. Pitting the two performance versions against each other, I’d lean toward the Acura. The Type S comes across as more of a dedicated performance car than the G70 3.3T even though it doesn’t feel as outright quick. The way the TLX Type S handles, steers and manages power through its transmission and AWD is completely seamless. The multimedia control system is a pain to use versus the touchscreens you’ll find elsewhere in the class — have fun using Apple CarPlay or Android Auto without a touchscreen — but the Type S is so robust in other areas, I was less put off by that here than I was in the regular TLX.
But what about the A4/S4, 3 Series and C-Class? While base prices for those cars’ uplevel engines run in the $50,000 to $56,000 range — where the TLX’s $53,000 starting price falls — the Type S is loaded with standard equipment that’s mostly optional on these competitors: adaptive cruise control, adaptive shocks, a head-up display and more. The result is that, in Cars.com’s national new-car listings for September 2021, the Type S had an average list price of $53,825 versus $62,880 for the S4, $61,495 for the M340 and $66,332 for the C43.

While the Type S may not be as quick as its competitors (the

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and pricing of a legit M car), it remains a joy to drive because of how connected you feel — even if you’re not chasing tenths of a second.

oonowindoo

From a dig, as expected from AWD... but from a roll?? it really shows which car is actually faster