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Your on drugs. An LSD is very necessary for any car made to handle corners. Sub 200hp Honda's (ITR, CTR, GSR in Japan) came standard with an LSD. Hell, my 2006 TL has an LSD. It lets you blast out of a corner faster. Better Tires won't do much good with a regular differential. An LSD is an absolute must for a fwd car, if it's truly meant to be sporty.
lol yea man..even my 2G 260hp TL-S, which is more like 240hp with new SAE ratings, with its crappy and power robbing 5AT, has enough juice to spin the inside front wheel with ease when turning......
The production car does not have enough power or enough handling characteristics to require a LSD.... Ditch those all season tires first before installing a LSD.
The production car has more than enough to utilize a LSD. It will/could greatly change the handling characteristics of the vehicle.
Your on drugs. An LSD is very necessary for any car made to handle corners. Sub 200hp Honda's (ITR, CTR, GSR in Japan) came standard with an LSD. Hell, my 2006 TL has an LSD. It lets you blast out of a corner faster. Better Tires won't do much good with a regular differential. An LSD is an absolute must for a fwd car, if it's truly meant to be sporty.
With my TL, Ive had people at driving events/lapping days with AWD vehicles come up to me in the pits and ask me if the car was awd because they couldnt understand how well it was able to power thru and out of turns (tires and suspension did aid in overall handling but without the LSD id be just spinning the inside tire).
lol yea man..even my 2G 260hp TL-S, which is more like 240hp with new SAE ratings, with its crappy and power robbing 5AT, has enough juice to spin the inside front wheel with ease when turning......
Yes you're right but a lot of that has to do with tires and suspension tuning as well. LSD certainly won't hurt but on a car like the TLX, it's completely worthless.
With my TL, Ive had people at driving events/lapping days with AWD vehicles come up to me in the pits and ask me if the car was awd because they couldnt understand how well it was able to power thru and out of turns (tires and suspension did aid in overall handling but without the LSD id be just spinning the inside tire).
That's pretty crazy. I would take a FWD car with an LSD, over an AWD car without, any day of the week. I never understood what an LSD was really for, about 11-12 years ago, until I drove a car with one. And then it made all the sense in the world.
and of course, your engine only puts down as much power as the lowest gripping wheel can handle. If one wheel starts to slip, so does the other. It's fun mashing the throttle when you hit the apex of a corner and just blasting out of it.
RWD is always touted as being better than FWD, but it's not. If anything, it's just more fun, because you can let the ass end slide or kick out. But its not necessarily better, nor faster, as seen by the new CTR. In fact, I seem to be able to corner much faster in FWD cars than RWD. It could be because I grew up driving only FWD cars and RWD is relatively new to me, in comparison. I've only owned RWD for ~3 years.
Yes you're right but a lot of that has to do with tires and suspension tuning as well. LSD certainly won't hurt but on a car like the TLX, it's completely worthless.
Yes you're right but a lot of that has to do with tires and suspension tuning as well. LSD certainly won't hurt but on a car like the TLX, it's completely worthless.
As TacoBello said. . . no it's not.
You cannot have "It'S That KinD of ThrilL" with L, S, and D
You cannot have "It'S That KinD of ThrilL" with L, S, and D
Is anyone on this forum tracking their TLX? Serious question.
Like I said, I get what you guys are saying with the rationale for having one but putting a LSD on a TLX is like putting one on a Lincoln MKZ. It's probably not worth the cost to have it there regardless of the benefits because they will very rarely ever be realized.
Is anyone on this forum tracking their TLX? Serious question.
Like I said, I get what you guys are saying with the rationale for having one but putting a LSD on a TLX is like putting one on a Lincoln MKZ. It's probably not worth the cost to have it there regardless of the benefits because they will very rarely ever be realized.
Were people tracking their new 2G and 3G Type Ss? We're people tracking their new Civic Si's? Maybe one. Or two. Per thousand owners. And yet they all had LSDs. You don't need to hit the track to make use of them. Nor do you have to drive at eleventy billion miles an hour into a corner to make use of them.
I'm almost certain that even with SH-AWD, there are benefits to having an LSD. I'm not familiar with LSDs and auto/dct transmissions. I get the feeling Acura may have let the LSD out of the SH-AWD system, simply due to cost.
Were people tracking their new 2G and 3G Type Ss? We're people tracking their new Civic Si's? Maybe one. Or two. Per thousand owners. And yet they all had LSDs. You don't need to hit the track to make use of them. Nor do you have to drive at eleventy billion miles an hour into a corner to make use of them.
Those are all dedicated sport models and LSD was only available in conjunction with the manual transmission. There is no dedicated sport model nor is there a manual trans model of the TLX just as there is no manual trans sport model of the Lincoln MKZ.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
I'm almost certain that even with SH-AWD, there are benefits to having an LSD. I'm not familiar with LSDs and auto/dct transmissions. I get the feeling Acura may have let the LSD out of the SH-AWD system, simply due to cost.
SH-AWD negates the need for a LSD in the rear because it has active clutch packs. A conventional LSD uses passive clutch packs so SH-AWD does essentially the same thing except with a computer.
Hmm, the 2G TL-S isn't all that sporty to be fair. It's just a slightly more powerful TL with larger rims, little bit wider tires, and slightly stiffer suspension setup. It's more or less similar to the TLX A-spec.
With that said, for those that want to be able to power out of corners, there's the SH-AWD option.
Hmm, the 2G TL-S isn't all that sporty to be fair. It's just a slightly more powerful TL with larger rims, little bit wider tires, and slightly stiffer suspension setup. It's more or less similar to the TLX A-spec.
With that said, for those that want to be able to power out of corners, there's the SH-AWD option.
2G TL-S doesn't come with the LSD, the CL-S does. FWIW, the TLX-A doesn't come with any different engine or transmission, it's essentially an appearance package with a few minor suspension changes.
No hate but I totally understand the rationale for not putting it on this car. There's just no money to be had from it since you will get very few people who even know what a LSD is/does and even fewer who will buy the TLX over a BMW 330 as a result of it.
Originally Posted by iforyou
Haha, yes, the 2G TL-S didnt have LSD, and I didn't track the car, but I still wish it had LSD because it would easily spin the inside wheels.
Yes, the TLX A-spec does not have increased power, but it's still putting down a good 50whp over my 2G TL-S.....
Our point is that we don't feel the LSD is worthless, even on a bread and butter non sporty sedan like the TLX....
Definitely not worthless, just not worth it. The LSD is definitely a must have on many cars, this just isn't one of them.
The production car has more than enough to utilize a LSD. It will/could greatly change the handling characteristics of the vehicle.
No doubt it will help and make it feel better... but i dont know about greatly change the handling characteristics...
I still think a good set of summer tires will be more beneficial and noticeable in this application before LSD.
At the end, it is Acura we are talking about here..... how can you even argue with me about upgraded tires? WTF?
I'd be surprised if sales numbers go up. Generally, an MMC allows sales to more or less continue as they did, just prior to an MMC. Otherwise they would likely tank.
If Acura is able to sell another 20k units, color me surprised. It would also be a huge indication that:
1. They need to get their designs straight (which sounds and looks like they're on the right track)
2. Offer a sport variant- even if it doesn't sell tons, it brings attention to the brand. Attention that Acura has not had in awhile (It already seems a basic A-Spec upgrade is doing a ton for the TLX)
Definitely not worthless, just not worth it. The LSD is definitely a must have on many cars, this just isn't one of them.
Yea, definitely not a must-have, and totally understand why it doesn't Hhve it. But for sure it would be nice to have it especially since we are people that like cars.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
I'm not SSFTSX
I'd be surprised if sales numbers go up. Generally, an MMC allows sales to more or less continue as they did, just prior to an MMC. Otherwise they would likely tank.
If Acura is able to sell another 20k units, color me surprised. It would also be a huge indication that:
1. They need to get their designs straight (which sounds and looks like they're on the right track)
2. Offer a sport variant- even if it doesn't sell tons, it brings attention to the brand. Attention that Acura has not had in awhile (It already seems a basic A-Spec upgrade is doing a ton for the TLX)
haha 20k units would be hugely surprising. I'm thinking if the TLX sales remain the same, that's already an achievement.
No doubt it will help and make it feel better... but i dont know about greatly change the handling characteristics...
I still think a good set of summer tires will be more beneficial and noticeable in this application before LSD.
At the end, it is Acura we are talking about here..... how can you even argue with me about upgraded tires? WTF?
You dont have to be racing to notice the LSD, Especially in the FWD version. Everyone hates FWD because of TQ steer, An LSD greatly reduces it, almost to a non existent factor. Even with the power im putting down now and with 275s i have none, ONLY if the road is really rutted will i get any hint of it. Never do i have to fight for the wheel.
And yes a good set of tires will help the feel of the car, but if you driving to the point where you think tires will make it handle better, and are accelerating thru or out of a turn, a LSD will do more for the feel than tires alone. I can swap from R compound to street tires and while yes, there is a handling difference due to the tires, the LSD makes it all that much more capable, being able to take advantage of the added grip, being able to get on the power much sooner in the corner and coming out of it with little to no understeer. Switching tires on a vehicle without a LSD wouldnt get the same benefit or change the vehicles driving dynamics nearly as much as you couldnt take advantage of the added grip nearly as much.
look, i am not saying LSD is not useful. It is VERY.
All i am saying is Acura should upgrade the tires first (a good set of summer tires for Aspec) since that is the cheapest and easiest way to improve the way the car drives.
At the end of the day, that is the only part of the car that touches the ground.
In Canada, the A-spec models come with Michelin Pilot Sport 3+ tires. These I believe are ultra high performance all-season tires as opposed to the MXM4 which are grand touring all season tires.
In an ideal world, Acura should have a summer tire option + LSD. However, if I could only have one of these from the factory, I'd pick LSD. The tires, I can always change them easily. LSD is more difficult and more expensive to do aftermarket.
In Canada, the A-spec models come with Michelin Pilot Sport 3+ tires. These I believe are ultra high performance all-season tires as opposed to the MXM4 which are grand touring all season tires.
In an ideal world, Acura should have a summer tire option + LSD. However, if I could only have one of these from the factory, I'd pick LSD. The tires, I can always change them easily. LSD is more difficult and more expensive to do aftermarket.
For "higher performance" trim Honda models, Honda should throw in the super-sticky Pilot Sport Sport or nothing else.
What good is it if the car's tires (all-season tires) cannot provide high performance handling capability.
Haha yes Canada market is like 10-15% of the US market. Nah, The A-spec in the USA only has MXM4. I think Acura should throw in a summer tire option like what they are doing with the Civic Si. They offered a summer tire option before on the 3G TL-S and 4G TL too. It's only a $200 option, it's a no brainer.
Saw my first TLX A-Spec in the wild today. My verdict - it looks much better in person than in the early promotional shots. Still not a fan of the execution on the grille, but it's better than I thought it was.
Saw my first TLX A-Spec in the wild today. My verdict - it looks much better in person than in the early promotional shots. Still not a fan of the execution on the grille, but it's better than I thought it was.
It shouldn't even be an A-Spec, it should just be the base. All the TLXs should look like it.
We at Jalopnik had heard good things about the A-Spec. We heard it was sporty and fun, close to what the Acura sedans of the 1990s were like, a return to form for Honda much like the NSX and Civic Type R have been. That is not the case here.
[...]Look at Acura’s lineup in the U.S., for example: It has three sedans, the ILX, TLX and RLX; a crossover, the RDX and MDX crossovers; and the NSX supercar. Even though those middle two are the sales kings at Acura, it’s still a sedan-dominant lineup, so you’d think they would try to do something interesting here.And the TLX does set itself apart in the looks category—especially for a huge, automatic sedan. It’s unique in a way that makes you stare instead of cringe, which is a good thing. Where it struggles is on the actual delivery.
06-08-2017, 07:32 PM
With my TL, Ive had people at driving events/lapping days with AWD vehicles come up to me in the pits and ask me if the car was awd because they couldnt understand how well it was able to power thru and out of turns (tires and suspension did aid in overall handling but without the LSD id be just spinning the inside tire).
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