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11-07-2014, 11:04 AM
I'm not saying that the tlx doesn't compete with the 3 series, just that it doesn't compete with the 335; more on par with a 328.
11-07-2014, 12:27 PM
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IOW, it competes with certain cars, but not certain trim levels that it can't compete with.
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11-07-2014, 12:58 PM
I drive a Subata.
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Come on guys. Do I have to say this again?
If we say that TLX V6 does compete with 335, TLX will be completely destroyed in terms of everything.
So the only excuse is that the bimmer costs more for the same equipment. So it is not in the same league.
Get it? Got it? Good.
If we say that TLX V6 does compete with 335, TLX will be completely destroyed in terms of everything.
So the only excuse is that the bimmer costs more for the same equipment. So it is not in the same league.
Get it? Got it? Good.
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11-07-2014, 01:04 PM
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I get it now. The TLX is in a league of it's own. 
11-07-2014, 01:09 PM
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11-07-2014, 01:16 PM
a 335i costs significantly more than a tlx, so it ought to be a better machine. right? if acura builds a tlx that would perform on par with a 335 it will increase cost.
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11-07-2014, 01:25 PM
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11-07-2014, 02:12 PM
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Ehh, Acura is way more of a Buick/Volvo competitor than a BMW competitor.
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11-07-2014, 02:24 PM
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Something has to give to get the lower price but there's always a badge tax that can help lower cost.
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11-07-2014, 02:40 PM
yep, check out the new z28...it will give a gtr a run for it's money for about $70k. although neither the mustang or the z28 have the sex appeal of an e9x m3 imo, but like you said, it comes with a hefty badge tax.
11-07-2014, 02:48 PM
I drive a Subata.
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Give him a break. He needs it. It's the only ammo he got. Let him be!
11-07-2014, 02:50 PM
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I won't deny the existence of a significant badge tax, but there are other elements of the E9x M3 which make it more desirable than a Ford Mustang (even the new one).
11-07-2014, 02:59 PM
11-07-2014, 03:00 PM
Ex-OEM King
Take no prisoners.
Additionally, many of the optional features on even a 2015 BMW are standard on your run of the mill Ford Focus or Toyota Camry yet BMW has the nerve to charge even more for them. That's called badge tax.
11-07-2014, 03:06 PM
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Well, that's just BMW (and other German makers) being greedy. Their a'la carte pricing isn't quite as bad as Porsche, though.
11-07-2014, 03:13 PM
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11-07-2014, 03:19 PM
people bring up performance, so it's a relevant point of comparison.
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11-07-2014, 03:43 PM
I drive a Subata.
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Can anyone win over you in skd2k1 point of comparison? 
11-07-2014, 04:23 PM
Whats up with RDX owners?
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performance is just one factor. go build a car online and you'll see that there's more involved in price than just performance. increased performance comes at a cost. the base mustang is slower than a gt, and cheaper.
people bring up performance, so it's a relevant point of comparison.
people bring up performance, so it's a relevant point of comparison.
11-07-2014, 06:09 PM
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It will get really close to 328. The only difference between 320 and 328 is the options and detuned engine.
But for those who want a stripper with mod potentials, 320 is the way to go.
it does not take much to get over 240 whp without paying all the extras that will be replaced by aftermarket anyways (exterior pieces, brake, exhaust, suspension)
But for those who want a stripper with mod potentials, 320 is the way to go.
it does not take much to get over 240 whp without paying all the extras that will be replaced by aftermarket anyways (exterior pieces, brake, exhaust, suspension)
I still think TLX FWD/SHAWD V6 is competing with 335, S4, C400, IS350 and all the other top trim entry level luxury brand.
just because it is not really competitive anymore for the TLX in terms of performance, does not mean it is no longer in the same segment. You are saying TLX is competing with IS350 and It is already established that IS350 is competing with 335 for many years and somehow TLX is targeting 328?
CL/TL was competing with 330. 3G TL was competing with 330. 4G TL was competition with 335 and all of a sudden the new TLX V6 is competing with 328?
regardless what the performance #s are, it just shows Acura is either going backwards or the its main competition is leaving Acura behind.
just because it is not really competitive anymore for the TLX in terms of performance, does not mean it is no longer in the same segment. You are saying TLX is competing with IS350 and It is already established that IS350 is competing with 335 for many years and somehow TLX is targeting 328?
CL/TL was competing with 330. 3G TL was competing with 330. 4G TL was competition with 335 and all of a sudden the new TLX V6 is competing with 328?
regardless what the performance #s are, it just shows Acura is either going backwards or the its main competition is leaving Acura behind.
So in short, we just have to agree to disagree. The way I see it is that, if you are looking for 335i/S4/C400 level of performance in a luxury car, you probably shouldn't be looking at the TLX, IS350, or ATS 3.6. Those will disappoint you big time. Also, if you want 335i/S4/C400 level of performance, along with all the bells and whistles, be prepared to pay around $60k. What Acura needs to do is add a Type S or some sort to the TLX line up, may be make it $5k more than the TLX V6 trim by trim, and give it 350hp or some either through a bigger engine, a boosted engine, or eSH-AWD.
11-07-2014, 06:43 PM
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actually you will be surprised how often IS350 and 335 are cross shopped on the BMW forum and in real life.
BMW has always been more expensive similarly equipped (whatever that means since you can't equip TL(X) with RWD chassis).
That never stop from people or magazine comparing CL/TL vs 330 at the time. TL vs 335 later. Better in performance is a different issue from being a direct competitor.
BMW has always been more expensive similarly equipped (whatever that means since you can't equip TL(X) with RWD chassis).
That never stop from people or magazine comparing CL/TL vs 330 at the time. TL vs 335 later. Better in performance is a different issue from being a direct competitor.
11-07-2014, 08:47 PM
Itz JDM y0!
2 of my friends have slightly modded '13 5.0 Premiums. Drive one of those and an E9x M3 and you'll see where the extra $$ went.. Paper Specs =/= Actual enjoyment. Hell I had waaaaay more fun in the stock FRS I test drove then my friend's 440+hp Mustang.
11-08-2014, 02:48 PM
Come on guys. Do I have to say this again?
If we say that TLX V6 does compete with 335, TLX will be completely destroyed in terms of everything.
So the only excuse is that the bimmer costs more for the same equipment. So it is not in the same league.
Get it? Got it? Good.
If we say that TLX V6 does compete with 335, TLX will be completely destroyed in terms of everything.
So the only excuse is that the bimmer costs more for the same equipment. So it is not in the same league.
Get it? Got it? Good.
The TLX is obviously not going against the IS 350 F SPORT/335I but the overall lineup is grouped into the same segment.
The Auto World did this, not us.They believe that the TLX is in the same segment as the IS/3/C/A4/. You look up all these rankings and review sources? The vast majority of the Auto writers will put the TLX into the same group as the IS/3/C/A4/Q/ etc etc . Now does that mean the TLX is better? No. Does that mean other shoppers might cross shop those cars? Maybe. But it does mean that the auto industry believes and stands behind the idea that the TLX is a 'competitor' to the Lexus/MB/BMW Lineups of entry level luxury sporty sedans.
11-08-2014, 02:52 PM
Segments is based on overall opinion though. Visiting numerous Lexus/MB dealerships in Southern California, I actually found out a lot of C CLASS shoppers are NOT shopping the IS or the 3 Series.They are shopping the Lexus ES 350. And a lot of 3 Series shoppers were NOT shopping the c Class, they used to cross shop a lot against the G37.
Every one of my friends who drive a 3 Series or a G37, considered the other. They never even looked at the A4 or C Class.
Every one of my friends who drive a 3 Series or a G37, considered the other. They never even looked at the A4 or C Class.
11-08-2014, 03:22 PM
If the TLX isn't in the same segment as the IS/3/C/A4, then what segment is it in, the ES/2/CLA/A3 segment? Because it certainly isn't in the same segment as the GS/5/E/A6.
11-09-2014, 06:34 AM
I feel the need...
So in short, we just have to agree to disagree. The way I see it is that, if you are looking for blah blah blah level of performance in a luxury car, you probably shouldn't be looking at the blah blah blah. Those will disappoint you big time. Also, if you want blah blah blah level of performance, along with all the bells and whistles, be prepared to pay mucho dinero.
11-09-2014, 02:15 PM
Off topic but the ES is not in the 2/CLA/A3 segment. Lexus don't have a car for that segment. The ES is actually in a segment of it's very own. Hence it's wildly successful sales numbers. No competition. Since the other luxury brands decided to skip the ES segment and go right to the 5/gs/a6 group.
11-09-2014, 04:02 PM
Acura seems to be aiming for Buick nowadays.
Honda Vezel Badged An HR-V For U.S., Acura Version Still Pending
Though it’s yet to be confirmed, one of the lead engineers for the HR-V has previously stated that Acura should get its own version of the car to do battle with existing premium offerings in the subcompact crossover segment such as the Buick Encore and MINI Cooper Countryman.
The engineer, Naohisa Morishita, offered up Acura’s SUV-X concept from the 2013 Shanghai Auto Show as an example of what’s possible. A production version of the SUV-X concept has been confirmed for a Chinese market launch in 2016 but Morishita sees such a vehicle being popular elsewhere. We do too.
The engineer, Naohisa Morishita, offered up Acura’s SUV-X concept from the 2013 Shanghai Auto Show as an example of what’s possible. A production version of the SUV-X concept has been confirmed for a Chinese market launch in 2016 but Morishita sees such a vehicle being popular elsewhere. We do too.
11-09-2014, 04:15 PM
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2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS vs 2010 Lexus ES 350 Comparison - Motor Trend Page 4
Originally Posted by motortrend
Comparison: 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXS vs 2010 Lexus ES 350
Will the Better Buick Please Stand Up?
Since 1989, Toyota's Lexus ES sedans have been raking in gigantic piles of crispy green cashola by employing an absurdly elementary tactic: simply becoming Japan's Buick. You see, Buick's once colossal sales volume hasn't so much evaporated since its halcyon days as it's been incrementally hijacked by a Lexus that's consistently been offering Buick-to-the-bone qualities -- most notably relaxed quietness -- conjoined with Japanese quality.
Will the Better Buick Please Stand Up?
Since 1989, Toyota's Lexus ES sedans have been raking in gigantic piles of crispy green cashola by employing an absurdly elementary tactic: simply becoming Japan's Buick. You see, Buick's once colossal sales volume hasn't so much evaporated since its halcyon days as it's been incrementally hijacked by a Lexus that's consistently been offering Buick-to-the-bone qualities -- most notably relaxed quietness -- conjoined with Japanese quality.
11-09-2014, 04:50 PM
^ 2014 Buick Lacrosse vs Acura TL, Chevrolet Impala, Hyundai Genesis, Lexus ES 350, Nissan Maxima - The Car Connection
2014 Buick LaCrosse cleans up well, prepares to fight Lexus ES, Acura TL, Lincoln MKZ - NY Daily News
Even an Acura dealer has a page that compares the TLX to the LaCrosse -->
2015 Acura TLX vs 2015 Buick LaCrosse
As well as Acura themselves --> http://www.acura.com/sem.aspx?model=...buick-lacrosse
Now why would Acura do that if they aren't viewed as competitors?
2014 Buick Lacrosse vs. Its Competition
Buick's LaCrosse is its biggest sedan, but it's a straddler--between mid-size and full-size, between mainstream and luxury.
It's a cousin to the new Chevy Impala, another well-received four-door that can be priced nearly as high as the LaCrosse, with an additional four-cylinder engine option for the truly penny-pinching buyer.
It's not quite as nicely finished as the Buick, though.
It's not quite as nicely finished as the Buick, though.
The Lexus ES sedan now comes in gas-only and hybrid flavors, and is the best-looking sedan Lexus builds--and it's even become more interesting to drive, too.
There's more of a performance emphasis in the Nissan Maxima, which is slightly smaller than the LaCrosse, but it also appeals to those who value rich interior appointments.
The Acura TL might be perceived more as a true luxury sedan, though it's also front- or all-wheel drive; with a six-speed manual, it's more of a driver's car.
The Hyundai Genesis has rear-wheel drive and a choice of V-6 or V-8 engines, and it's an especially strong value.
None of these models are as fuel-efficient as the LaCrosse, except for the all-new Lexus ES 300h, a hybrid model that achieves 40 mpg city, 39 highway.
Buick's LaCrosse is its biggest sedan, but it's a straddler--between mid-size and full-size, between mainstream and luxury.
It's a cousin to the new Chevy Impala, another well-received four-door that can be priced nearly as high as the LaCrosse, with an additional four-cylinder engine option for the truly penny-pinching buyer.
It's not quite as nicely finished as the Buick, though.
It's not quite as nicely finished as the Buick, though.
The Lexus ES sedan now comes in gas-only and hybrid flavors, and is the best-looking sedan Lexus builds--and it's even become more interesting to drive, too.
There's more of a performance emphasis in the Nissan Maxima, which is slightly smaller than the LaCrosse, but it also appeals to those who value rich interior appointments.
The Acura TL might be perceived more as a true luxury sedan, though it's also front- or all-wheel drive; with a six-speed manual, it's more of a driver's car.
The Hyundai Genesis has rear-wheel drive and a choice of V-6 or V-8 engines, and it's an especially strong value.
None of these models are as fuel-efficient as the LaCrosse, except for the all-new Lexus ES 300h, a hybrid model that achieves 40 mpg city, 39 highway.
2014 Buick LaCrosse cleans up well, prepares to fight Lexus ES, Acura TL, Lincoln MKZ - NY Daily News
2014 Buick LaCrosse cleans up well, prepares to fight Lexus ES, Acura TL, Lincoln MKZ
The 2014 Buick LaCrosse, with a starting price of $33,135, offers enough upgrades to its exterior and interior to remain competitive among the midsize and ful-size luxury sedan market. An upscale cabin, ambient lighting, wood and chrome accents, and more give this car a luxurious feel, while a mild hybrid eAssist engine helps the car deliver fuel economy rated at 25 miles per gallon in the city and 36 mpg highway.
The 2014 Buick LaCrosse, with a starting price of $33,135, offers enough upgrades to its exterior and interior to remain competitive among the midsize and ful-size luxury sedan market. An upscale cabin, ambient lighting, wood and chrome accents, and more give this car a luxurious feel, while a mild hybrid eAssist engine helps the car deliver fuel economy rated at 25 miles per gallon in the city and 36 mpg highway.
Even an Acura dealer has a page that compares the TLX to the LaCrosse -->
2015 Acura TLX vs 2015 Buick LaCrosse
As well as Acura themselves --> http://www.acura.com/sem.aspx?model=...buick-lacrosse
Now why would Acura do that if they aren't viewed as competitors?
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11-09-2014, 04:58 PM
interestingly enough you can also compare the tlx to a 320, 328, a4, ats, q50 and a few others on acuras site:
2015 Acura TLX | Compare Vehicles - Select Competitors | Acura.com
2015 Acura TLX | Compare Vehicles - Select Competitors | Acura.com
11-12-2014, 04:04 PM
The ES when it used to be based on the Camry (and not the Avalon) platform used to be in that grouping, but now really only has the LaCrosse as its competition, both being FWD full-sizers offered at a compact pricepoint - altho not many would make that distinction.
The RLX, XTS and MKS are all full-size FWD-based sedans that are price alongside the lux midsizers.
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11-12-2014, 04:39 PM
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11-12-2014, 04:44 PM
Whats up with RDX owners?
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11-12-2014, 06:47 PM
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and you are surprised? I think all of us haters have been saying that TLX will sell...
It is a brand new model... what did you expect?
How many 3G TL and TSX combined were sold when it was first launched?
It is a brand new model... what did you expect?
How many 3G TL and TSX combined were sold when it was first launched?
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11-12-2014, 07:25 PM
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11-12-2014, 07:43 PM
3G TL went on sale on Oct 6, 2003.
3G TL sales
Oct 2003 = 6,031
Nov 2003 = 5,608
Dec 2003 = 5,853
Jan 2004 = 5,036
Feb 2004 = 6,274
Mar 2004 = 7,310
Apr 2004 = 6,711
May 2004 = 7,177
Jun 2004 = 6,393
Jul 2004 = 6,282
Aug 2004 = 6,445
Sep 2004 = 6,500
Oct 2004 = 6,717
1G TSX went on sale in April 2003Nov 2003 = 5,608
Dec 2003 = 5,853
Jan 2004 = 5,036
Feb 2004 = 6,274
Mar 2004 = 7,310
Apr 2004 = 6,711
May 2004 = 7,177
Jun 2004 = 6,393
Jul 2004 = 6,282
Aug 2004 = 6,445
Sep 2004 = 6,500
Oct 2004 = 6,717
1G TSX sales
Apr 2003 = 1,835
May 2003 = 2,275
Jun 2003 = 1,921
Jul 2003 = 2,938
Aug 2003 = 2,514
Sep 2003 = 2,094
Oct 2003 = 1,758
Nov 2003 = 1,745
Dec 2003 = 1,851
Jan 2004 = 1,870
Feb 2004 = 1,959
Mar 2004 = 2,206
Apr 2004 = 2,367
May 2004 = 3,585
Jun 2004 = 2,765
Jul 2004 = 3,514
Aug 2004 = 3,119
Sep 2004 = 2,825
Oct 2004 = 1,870
TLX went on sale in (mid? late?) Aug 2014May 2003 = 2,275
Jun 2003 = 1,921
Jul 2003 = 2,938
Aug 2003 = 2,514
Sep 2003 = 2,094
Oct 2003 = 1,758
Nov 2003 = 1,745
Dec 2003 = 1,851
Jan 2004 = 1,870
Feb 2004 = 1,959
Mar 2004 = 2,206
Apr 2004 = 2,367
May 2004 = 3,585
Jun 2004 = 2,765
Jul 2004 = 3,514
Aug 2004 = 3,119
Sep 2004 = 2,825
Oct 2004 = 1,870
TLX sales
Aug 2014 = 2,286
Sep 2014 = 3,884
Oct 2014 = 4,890 (down 18.92% vs TL sales in same month)
Nov 2014 = ?
Sep 2014 = 3,884
Oct 2014 = 4,890 (down 18.92% vs TL sales in same month)
Nov 2014 = ?
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11-12-2014, 07:51 PM
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Thank you sir!
We will really see how this play out for TLX next August when it reaches a full calendar year, until then fanboys should not brag about sales #s.
We will really see how this play out for TLX next August when it reaches a full calendar year, until then fanboys should not brag about sales #s.