Acura: TLX News
04-18-2014, 02:17 PM
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lol, try 2.5 decades, which is pretty much since day one w/acura. I'm under no illusions as to what acura is, can't say the same for most of the folks in here. using the lexus ls as an example, it started out as a rwd v8 and it is still a rwd v8, so I don't see that the competition is drastically different either.
For decades Lexus was regarded as a car for old farts with bland designs and soft suspensions.
Look at them now. They are leading with aggressive designs and aiming at younger buyers. Their cars are finally being compared against BMW.
Acura is not.
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04-18-2014, 02:47 PM
#8522
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I drove an ES loaner the other day and it was for old farts.....Hated it.
04-18-2014, 02:49 PM
#8523
sorry dude, but I don't see that acura has ever led the pack in this regard.
acura was never tier 1, and they aren't tier 1 now. what has changed?
I don't understand why being compared with bmw is so coveted on azine. who cares? I don't.
why settle for a bmw clone when you can get the real thing?
why settle for a bmw clone when you can get the real thing?
04-18-2014, 03:08 PM
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04-18-2014, 03:09 PM
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04-18-2014, 03:11 PM
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sorry dude, but I don't see that acura has ever led the pack in this regard.
acura was never tier 1, and they aren't tier 1 now. what has changed?
I don't understand why being compared with bmw is so coveted on azine. who cares? I don't.
why settle for a bmw clone when you can get the real thing?
acura was never tier 1, and they aren't tier 1 now. what has changed?
I don't understand why being compared with bmw is so coveted on azine. who cares? I don't.
why settle for a bmw clone when you can get the real thing?
The nsx.
Acura SAID at one point they want to become tier 1. Then they changed their mind. They said the nsx would be a v10...the. Changed their minds. They are inconsistent.
BMW has long been considered the benchmark. Look at Cadillac. They held BMW as the benchmark and now the ats and cts are VERY serious contenders.
I mean really. Pull your head out of that dark cavernous ass of yours.
04-18-2014, 03:13 PM
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04-18-2014, 03:14 PM
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And the Buick
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04-18-2014, 03:19 PM
#8530
SSFTSX 
skd2k1 + qingcong ?
skd2k1 + qingcong ?
04-18-2014, 03:20 PM
#8531
Go Giants
Buick Lacross looks good.
04-18-2014, 03:26 PM
#8532
Are seriously this blind?
The nsx.
Acura SAID at one point they want to become tier 1. Then they changed their mind. They said the nsx would be a v10...the. Changed their minds. They are inconsistent.
BMW has long been considered the benchmark. Look at Cadillac. They held BMW as the benchmark and now the ats and cts are VERY serious contenders.
I mean really. Pull your head out of that dark cavernous ass of yours.
The nsx.
Acura SAID at one point they want to become tier 1. Then they changed their mind. They said the nsx would be a v10...the. Changed their minds. They are inconsistent.
BMW has long been considered the benchmark. Look at Cadillac. They held BMW as the benchmark and now the ats and cts are VERY serious contenders.
I mean really. Pull your head out of that dark cavernous ass of yours.
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04-18-2014, 03:33 PM
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How's your abarth!?!
04-18-2014, 03:40 PM
#8535
I drive a Subata.
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skd2k1 + qingcong ?
04-18-2014, 03:42 PM
#8536
I drive a Subata.
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It's fast!
04-18-2014, 03:49 PM
#8537
I drive a Subata.
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New Camry looks more sportier than TLX. 
04-18-2014, 03:49 PM
#8538
I need to get a set of those myself...
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04-18-2014, 03:51 PM
#8539
I drive a Subata.
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04-18-2014, 03:58 PM
#8540
Team Owner
04-18-2014, 04:02 PM
#8541
Team Owner
They basically still lead the pack as far as N/A engines. If I'm not mistaken, I believe no other N/A production 4 cylinder puts out more HP than the K24Z7 or K24W7. Lexus has a V6 that puts out less power than these engines. Unlike Hyundai (especially Hyundai), Mazda Skyactiv, or Ford Ecoboost, you can actually trust Honda's EPA ratings, just check fuelly.com. Other companies are getting more bang for the buck by going turbo while Honda/Acura and even Lexus, Infiniti, seem to be sticking to their N/A roots.
Both approaches have pros and cons. The Japanese companies seem to be more careful about these kinds of untested technologies, which isn't necessarily bad. Don't forget about Audi with their carbon deposits in their early DI cars; some guy documented a 30-40hp loss over 20,000 miles or so due to carbon deposits.
Both approaches have pros and cons. The Japanese companies seem to be more careful about these kinds of untested technologies, which isn't necessarily bad. Don't forget about Audi with their carbon deposits in their early DI cars; some guy documented a 30-40hp loss over 20,000 miles or so due to carbon deposits.
K24 got nothing on F22/F20 if you want to talk about maximize the potential on a 4 cylinder engine without FI.
04-18-2014, 04:09 PM
#8543
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I'm relatively young (28 yo) but already learned one rule of life - it's not smart to blame anybody in your disappointments.
On this most popular thread about TLX people are bashing and blaming acura regularly, day after day. Any enthusiast will give up with it's favorite car maker, seeing that it is so not respected even by it's owners. No wonder that acura's are most bought by people who don't read forums.
04-18-2014, 04:11 PM
#8544
Team Owner
I knew 3 series was the benchmark of ALL sports sedan when i was 16 years old.
it does not matter if i agree or not, that is the measuring stick for cars in that segment.
If you want to be the best, then you will have to beat the best, . you are seriously delusional l if you think ANY business is ok with just being mediocre.
Some of these fanboys mentality is telling them they should ignore what everyone else is doing, only focus on what they do best. What are you? North Korea?
Fortunately, Honda/Acura is not like that. They are just slow, very slow and stubborn.
Direct Injection - Honda refused to utliize it for many many years eventually they gave in.
Auto tranny- after many many years of milking their 5 and 6 speed auto, while everyone else are using 7/8/9. They finally gather their balls and offered 9AT.
I hope this is the same for their engines and designs.
it does not matter if i agree or not, that is the measuring stick for cars in that segment.
If you want to be the best, then you will have to beat the best, . you are seriously delusional l if you think ANY business is ok with just being mediocre.
Some of these fanboys mentality is telling them they should ignore what everyone else is doing, only focus on what they do best. What are you? North Korea?
Fortunately, Honda/Acura is not like that. They are just slow, very slow and stubborn.
Direct Injection - Honda refused to utliize it for many many years eventually they gave in.
Auto tranny- after many many years of milking their 5 and 6 speed auto, while everyone else are using 7/8/9. They finally gather their balls and offered 9AT.
I hope this is the same for their engines and designs.
04-18-2014, 04:11 PM
#8545
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04-18-2014, 04:13 PM
#8546
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04-18-2014, 04:20 PM
#8547
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Our point is - compare Acura's powertrain options from 10, 20 years ago to now. Then do the same with any other manufacturer today.
They were ahead of the curve. They always were, as far as naturally aspirated L4s and V6s went. But other companies have long passed them up.
They were ahead of the curve. They always were, as far as naturally aspirated L4s and V6s went. But other companies have long passed them up.
In my opinion only true new German technology of last decade was dual-clutch transmission. As we can see, honda already made own version of it.
So acura is not in the back in technological factor, but mostly in marketing. In this I think everyone will agree - acura car marketing is awful.
04-18-2014, 04:25 PM
#8548
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Turbo and DI are technologies from the same age as VTEC. There is nothing new in them, their success and "innovation" is only proper marketing by VW, BMW and others.
In my opinion only true new German technology of last decade was dual-clutch transmission. As we can see, honda already made own version of it.
So acura is not in the back in technological factor, but mostly in marketing. In this I think everyone will agree - acura car marketing is awful.
In my opinion only true new German technology of last decade was dual-clutch transmission. As we can see, honda already made own version of it.
So acura is not in the back in technological factor, but mostly in marketing. In this I think everyone will agree - acura car marketing is awful.
You sound like it. That mindset.
"Advance"
04-18-2014, 04:33 PM
#8549
.... at least the TLX doesn't offend like the 4G TL does, so that may help.
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04-18-2014, 04:37 PM
#8550
Are seriously this blind?
The nsx.
Acura SAID at one point they want to become tier 1. Then they changed their mind. They said the nsx would be a v10...the. Changed their minds. They are inconsistent.
BMW has long been considered the benchmark. Look at Cadillac. They held BMW as the benchmark and now the ats and cts are VERY serious contenders.
I mean really. Pull your head out of that dark cavernous ass of yours.
The nsx.
Acura SAID at one point they want to become tier 1. Then they changed their mind. They said the nsx would be a v10...the. Changed their minds. They are inconsistent.
BMW has long been considered the benchmark. Look at Cadillac. They held BMW as the benchmark and now the ats and cts are VERY serious contenders.
I mean really. Pull your head out of that dark cavernous ass of yours.
acura has never been tier 1, so for me the tlx not being a tier 1 luxury sedan is not a deal breaker; it's acura's original modus operandi.
sorry dude, things ain't changed that much. bmw is still doing what bmw does, and acura is still doing the entry level luxury that acura does. if you want a bmw, then buy a bmw. if you want "sensible luxury" buy acura.
04-18-2014, 04:52 PM
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I think.
I think skd2k1 may be a little bit more of a troll than SSFTSX is.
Maybe.
I think skd2k1 may be a little bit more of a troll than SSFTSX is.
Maybe.
04-18-2014, 04:52 PM
#8552
Team Owner
the nsx does not make acura tier 1. acura says tier 1 just before the recession, and now after the recession it's business as usual for acura: entry level luxury. they've always been entry level luxury, even back in the glory days of the legend.
acura has never been tier 1, so for me the tlx not being a tier 1 luxury sedan is not a deal breaker; it's acura's original modus operandi.
but but but...
sorry dude, things ain't changed that much. bmw is still doing what bmw does, and acura is still doing the entry level luxury that acura does. if you want a bmw, then buy a bmw. if you want "sensible luxury" buy acura.
acura has never been tier 1, so for me the tlx not being a tier 1 luxury sedan is not a deal breaker; it's acura's original modus operandi.
but but but...
sorry dude, things ain't changed that much. bmw is still doing what bmw does, and acura is still doing the entry level luxury that acura does. if you want a bmw, then buy a bmw. if you want "sensible luxury" buy acura.
take a look at the sales # for Acura cars and the cars they removed and replaced with.
04-18-2014, 05:19 PM
#8555
lol....acura has never led and that's fine with some people. That's argument being currently asserted here.
Real selling point on that TLX.
Real selling point on that TLX.
04-18-2014, 05:22 PM
#8556
Intermediate
Problem is that there many cars that are excellent in some of this qualities, but not many that are good in all of them. KB1 RL was one of such cars, and TLX may be too.
04-18-2014, 05:23 PM
#8557
the nsx does not make acura tier 1. acura says tier 1 just before the recession, and now after the recession it's business as usual for acura: entry level luxury. they've always been entry level luxury, even back in the glory days of the legend.
acura has never been tier 1
acura has never been tier 1
I don't think anyone, not even Sarlacc, has ever said that Acura was tier 1. You may want to re-read Sarlacc's post again.
Wanting to become tier 1 isn't the same as being tier 1.
04-18-2014, 05:33 PM
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Ive been wanting to get back on the track...havent been in over 3 years.
04-18-2014, 05:36 PM
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04-18-2014, 05:37 PM
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the nsx does not make acura tier 1. acura says tier 1 just before the recession, and now after the recession it's business as usual for acura: entry level luxury. they've always been entry level luxury, even back in the glory days of the legend.
acura has never been tier 1, so for me the tlx not being a tier 1 luxury sedan is not a deal breaker; it's acura's original modus operandi.
but but but...
sorry dude, things ain't changed that much. bmw is still doing what bmw does, and acura is still doing the entry level luxury that acura does. if you want a bmw, then buy a bmw. if you want "sensible luxury" buy acura.
acura has never been tier 1, so for me the tlx not being a tier 1 luxury sedan is not a deal breaker; it's acura's original modus operandi.
but but but...
sorry dude, things ain't changed that much. bmw is still doing what bmw does, and acura is still doing the entry level luxury that acura does. if you want a bmw, then buy a bmw. if you want "sensible luxury" buy acura.
its all I can say.
