Acura: TLX News
04-18-2014, 09:17 AM
#8481
04-18-2014, 09:18 AM
#8482
Moderator
Fixed it. I must now take remedial spelling in Latin.
That may very well be, but that doesn't make the person on the receiving end of the "noob" comment "right", by definition; which is what you said.
That may very well be, but that doesn't make the person on the receiving end of the "noob" comment "right", by definition; which is what you said.
You must now write "Legend" on the blackboard 1000 times. 
Then drive one. 
04-18-2014, 10:14 AM
#8484
Instructor
Yeah, I think if you take everyone's opinion on here it tends to average out to the norm, but I think some may be mistaken that their own personal opinion is the opinion of the entire Acurazine. Also, I think that back in the day when the 04 TSX and TL came out, there weren't so many outspoken internet critics as there are now. The dynamic of the internet has changed.
04-18-2014, 10:37 AM
#8485
No it hasn't, Acura got worse and people started criticizing it.
04-18-2014, 11:14 AM
#8486
Honda numbers have credibility.
actual numbers of 6MT Accord are 28.6mpg beating Mazda 6 Auto by 3mpg
I would predict TLX will surpass all its competition with 9speed auto and most aerodynamic body.
actual numbers of 6MT Accord are 28.6mpg beating Mazda 6 Auto by 3mpg
I would predict TLX will surpass all its competition with 9speed auto and most aerodynamic body.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...port_update_3/
In our proprietary IntelliChoice Real MPG testing, the Sport returned 25 mpg city, 33 mpg highway, and 28 mpg combined – right in line with what we've seen thus far. Similarly, the EPA numbers of 26 mpg city, 35 mpg highway, and 29 mpg combined are in line as well, though the city and highway figures seem a bit optimistic. That said, the discrepancy in the Sport's Real MPG versus EPA numbers aren't bad and not nearly as surprising as what we've seen from a Mazda6 GT automatic (Real MPG: 22/34/26; EPA: 26/38/30).
In our proprietary IntelliChoice Real MPG testing, the Sport returned 25 mpg city, 33 mpg highway, and 28 mpg combined – right in line with what we've seen thus far. Similarly, the EPA numbers of 26 mpg city, 35 mpg highway, and 29 mpg combined are in line as well, though the city and highway figures seem a bit optimistic. That said, the discrepancy in the Sport's Real MPG versus EPA numbers aren't bad and not nearly as surprising as what we've seen from a Mazda6 GT automatic (Real MPG: 22/34/26; EPA: 26/38/30).
04-18-2014, 11:19 AM
#8487
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Most aerodynamic body, now. The list just keeps growing.
04-18-2014, 11:27 AM
#8488
Instructor
04-18-2014, 11:44 AM
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And back then all the other automakers were standing up and taking notice of what these cars were doing, and trying to imitate it.
These days Acura is lost in a crowd of people who flew past them as they lost their way.
What car in the 90s looked like the integra? What car in the late 80s had 4WS and lines like the 3rd gen prelude (other than ferrari) even though that is a Honda its worth noting.
What "affordable" car other than the NSX made the exotics stand up and take notice and go back to the drawing board?
The legend coupe? a timeless design that still looks fantastic even today.
Their gamble with the 5cyl vigor? Which in reality was a pretty decent car.
Look at their competition back then and what acura did.
Look at their competition now, and what acura isn't doing.
These days Acura is lost in a crowd of people who flew past them as they lost their way.
What car in the 90s looked like the integra? What car in the late 80s had 4WS and lines like the 3rd gen prelude (other than ferrari) even though that is a Honda its worth noting.
What "affordable" car other than the NSX made the exotics stand up and take notice and go back to the drawing board?
The legend coupe? a timeless design that still looks fantastic even today.
Their gamble with the 5cyl vigor? Which in reality was a pretty decent car.
Look at their competition back then and what acura did.
Look at their competition now, and what acura isn't doing.
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04-18-2014, 11:57 AM
#8490
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FWD TLX has advance package that even if $10k expensive than Accord touring will still have a lot of advantages like ELS music system, Milano leather with cooled seats, CMBS, much quieter interior, superior across the board performance. FWD TLX V6 is 300lbs lighter than RLX but with 9 speed transmission.
Much better shape than Accord as the vehicle seems taller with much larger wheel design.
the whole is more than sum of parts.
Much better shape than Accord as the vehicle seems taller with much larger wheel design.
the whole is more than sum of parts.
04-18-2014, 11:58 AM
#8491
FWD TLX has advance package that even if $10k expensive than Accord touring will still have a lot of advantages like ELS music system, Milano leather with cooled seats, CMBS, much quieter interior, superior across the board performance. FWD TLX V6 is 300lbs lighter than RLX but with 9 speed transmission.
Much better shape than Accord as the vehicle seems taller with much larger wheel design.
the whole is more than sum of parts.
Much better shape than Accord as the vehicle seems taller with much larger wheel design.
the whole is more than sum of parts.
04-18-2014, 11:59 AM
#8492
Team Owner
04-18-2014, 12:03 PM
#8493
Team Owner
you realllly think we don't know the difference between Accord and a TL or TLX???
No shit TL or TLX is better than Accord in pretty much every way, you don't have to guarantee anything. '
but at $30k Accord V6 touring with LED headlight vs. $32k Base 4 banger TLX is where the problem is.
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04-18-2014, 12:06 PM
#8494
I drive a Subata.
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04-18-2014, 12:10 PM
#8495
I drive a Subata.
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04-18-2014, 12:37 PM
#8497
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Ahhhhhh
I still remember the day I went to the Acura dealership to pick up my brand new 2005 TL.
That car looked fantastic to me. The A-spec lip kit made it even better. Wish I bought a 6MT one back then.
Honestly, I still think 3G TL looks not that dated even though the design is basically 10 year old.
As for the 4G TL, it was fking ugly to begin with and still is fking ugly. No matter what you do to it, it still looked like a fat sea creature.
I still remember the day I went to the Acura dealership to pick up my brand new 2005 TL.
That car looked fantastic to me. The A-spec lip kit made it even better. Wish I bought a 6MT one back then.
Honestly, I still think 3G TL looks not that dated even though the design is basically 10 year old.
As for the 4G TL, it was fking ugly to begin with and still is fking ugly. No matter what you do to it, it still looked like a fat sea creature.
04-18-2014, 12:38 PM
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04-18-2014, 12:59 PM
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Our point is - compare Acura's powertrain options from 10, 20 years ago to now. Then do the same with any other manufacturer today.
They were ahead of the curve. They always were, as far as naturally aspirated L4s and V6s went. But other companies have long passed them up.
They were ahead of the curve. They always were, as far as naturally aspirated L4s and V6s went. But other companies have long passed them up.
04-18-2014, 01:03 PM
#8501
A company is making exactly the same thing as it did previously, even in the face of growing competition in one of the more competitive segments of the market.
This is a winning strategy?
This is a winning strategy?
04-18-2014, 01:12 PM
#8502
I drive a Subata.
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Clear and simple. This is nothing new.
04-18-2014, 01:22 PM
#8504
Team Owner
so you now finally realized they have been offering the same shit for the past decade while the competition has moved on.
04-18-2014, 01:26 PM
#8505
lol, try 2.5 decades, which is pretty much since day one w/acura. I'm under no illusions as to what acura is, can't say the same for most of the folks in here. using the lexus ls as an example, it started out as a rwd v8 and it is still a rwd v8, so I don't see that the competition is drastically different either.
04-18-2014, 01:31 PM
#8506
I drive a Subata.
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lol, try 2.5 decades, which is pretty much since day one w/acura. I'm under no illusions as to what acura is, can't say the same for most of the folks in here. using the lexus ls as an example, it started out as a rwd v8 and it is still a rwd v8, so I don't see that the competition is drastically different either.
04-18-2014, 01:35 PM
#8508
Instructor
Our point is - compare Acura's powertrain options from 10, 20 years ago to now. Then do the same with any other manufacturer today.
They were ahead of the curve. They always were, as far as naturally aspirated L4s and V6s went. But other companies have long passed them up.
They were ahead of the curve. They always were, as far as naturally aspirated L4s and V6s went. But other companies have long passed them up.
They basically still lead the pack as far as N/A engines. If I'm not mistaken, I believe no other N/A production 4 cylinder puts out more HP than the K24Z7 or K24W7. Lexus has a V6 that puts out less power than these engines. Unlike Hyundai (especially Hyundai), Mazda Skyactiv, or Ford Ecoboost, you can actually trust Honda's EPA ratings, just check fuelly.com. Other companies are getting more bang for the buck by going turbo while Honda/Acura and even Lexus, Infiniti, seem to be sticking to their N/A roots.
Both approaches have pros and cons. The Japanese companies seem to be more careful about these kinds of untested technologies, which isn't necessarily bad. Don't forget about Audi with their carbon deposits in their early DI cars; some guy documented a 30-40hp loss over 20,000 miles or so due to carbon deposits.
04-18-2014, 01:45 PM
#8509
Instructor
And back then all the other automakers were standing up and taking notice of what these cars were doing, and trying to imitate it.
These days Acura is lost in a crowd of people who flew past them as they lost their way.
What car in the 90s looked like the integra? What car in the late 80s had 4WS and lines like the 3rd gen prelude (other than ferrari) even though that is a Honda its worth noting.
What "affordable" car other than the NSX made the exotics stand up and take notice and go back to the drawing board?
The legend coupe? a timeless design that still looks fantastic even today.
Their gamble with the 5cyl vigor? Which in reality was a pretty decent car.
Look at their competition back then and what acura did.
Look at their competition now, and what acura isn't doing.
These days Acura is lost in a crowd of people who flew past them as they lost their way.
What car in the 90s looked like the integra? What car in the late 80s had 4WS and lines like the 3rd gen prelude (other than ferrari) even though that is a Honda its worth noting.
What "affordable" car other than the NSX made the exotics stand up and take notice and go back to the drawing board?
The legend coupe? a timeless design that still looks fantastic even today.
Their gamble with the 5cyl vigor? Which in reality was a pretty decent car.
Look at their competition back then and what acura did.
Look at their competition now, and what acura isn't doing.
Revisionist history here, the Integra and Legend are always untouchable now.
The Legend coupe had to go up against the RWD Lexus SC300/400, which was a badass looking car.
The NSX, which is my favorite car ever, was underpowered the day it was released.
If the Vigor was a pretty decent car that didn't sell well, then you have to acknowledge that maybe the 4G TL or TLX are also pretty decent cars that didn't/won't sell well.
No other car looked like the Integra, but also no other car looked like the Camry either.
04-18-2014, 01:48 PM
#8510
lol, try 2.5 decades, which is pretty much since day one w/acura. I'm under no illusions as to what acura is, can't say the same for most of the folks in here. using the lexus ls as an example, it started out as a rwd v8 and it is still a rwd v8, so I don't see that the competition is drastically different either.
Acura has nothing on the level of the LS. And they never have.
They basically still lead the pack as far as N/A engines. If I'm not mistaken, I believe no other N/A production 4 cylinder puts out more HP than the K24Z7 or K24W7. Lexus has a V6 that puts out less power than these engines. Unlike Hyundai (especially Hyundai), Mazda Skyactiv, or Ford Ecoboost, you can actually trust Honda's EPA ratings, just check fuelly.com. Other companies are getting more bang for the buck by going turbo while Honda/Acura and even Lexus, Infiniti, seem to be sticking to their N/A roots.
Both approaches have pros and cons. The Japanese companies seem to be more careful about these kinds of untested technologies, which isn't necessarily bad. Don't forget about Audi with their carbon deposits in their early DI cars; some guy documented a 30-40hp loss over 20,000 miles or so due to carbon deposits.
Both approaches have pros and cons. The Japanese companies seem to be more careful about these kinds of untested technologies, which isn't necessarily bad. Don't forget about Audi with their carbon deposits in their early DI cars; some guy documented a 30-40hp loss over 20,000 miles or so due to carbon deposits.
It's nice to compare apples-to-applies but that's not how the competition plays now. They offer engines that Acura has nothing to compete with (turbo 6-cylinders, V8s)
04-18-2014, 01:59 PM
#8511
lol, try 2.5 decades, which is pretty much since day one w/acura. I'm under no illusions as to what acura is, can't say the same for most of the folks in here. using the lexus ls as an example, it started out as a rwd v8 and it is still a rwd v8, so I don't see that the competition is drastically different either.
04-18-2014, 01:59 PM
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lol, try 2.5 decades, which is pretty much since day one w/acura. I'm under no illusions as to what acura is, can't say the same for most of the folks in here. using the lexus ls as an example, it started out as a rwd v8 and it is still a rwd v8, so I don't see that the competition is drastically different either.
04-18-2014, 02:03 PM
#8514
Nokia made the best mobile phones at one point. Then everyone moved on to smartphones. But Nokia kept making the best 'dumb' mobile phones they could! Same philosophy!
Acura can keep making the best FWD NA pseudo-sporty pseudo-luxury 4-cylinders they want. People will buy them, but not as much as before, certainly. The era of them leading anything or defining the market as they did in the 90s has passed them.
Even noobs and fanboys are admitting they are running under the same tired philosophy...
04-18-2014, 02:04 PM
#8516
Noobs and fanboys. They deserve themselves.
Nokia made the best mobile phones at one point. They everyone moved on to smartphones. But Nokia kept making the best phones they could!
Acura can keep making the best FWD NA pseudo-sporty pseudo-luxury 4-cylinders they want. People will buy them, but not as much as before, certainly. The era of them leading anything or defining the market as they did in the 90s has passed them.
Even noobs and fanboys are admitting they are running under the same tired philosophy...
Nokia made the best mobile phones at one point. They everyone moved on to smartphones. But Nokia kept making the best phones they could!
Acura can keep making the best FWD NA pseudo-sporty pseudo-luxury 4-cylinders they want. People will buy them, but not as much as before, certainly. The era of them leading anything or defining the market as they did in the 90s has passed them.
Even noobs and fanboys are admitting they are running under the same tired philosophy...
04-18-2014, 02:07 PM
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04-18-2014, 02:09 PM
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No it hasn't. They've been all over place. At one point saying they were going to go after tier 1. They've flip flipped over the decades lost because Honda kept right reigns.
04-18-2014, 02:14 PM
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Revisionist history here, the Integra and Legend are always untouchable now.
The Legend coupe had to go up against the RWD Lexus SC300/400, which was a badass looking car.
The NSX, which is my favorite car ever, was underpowered the day it was released.
If the Vigor was a pretty decent car that didn't sell well, then you have to acknowledge that maybe the 4G TL or TLX are also pretty decent cars that didn't/won't sell well.
No other car looked like the Integra, but also no other car looked like the Camry either.
The Legend coupe had to go up against the RWD Lexus SC300/400, which was a badass looking car.
The NSX, which is my favorite car ever, was underpowered the day it was released.
If the Vigor was a pretty decent car that didn't sell well, then you have to acknowledge that maybe the 4G TL or TLX are also pretty decent cars that didn't/won't sell well.
No other car looked like the Integra, but also no other car looked like the Camry either.
The nsx was a handling beast that made Ferrari re-evaluate everything from the ground up. How many companies have the honor of influencing the exotics?
The vigor didn't sell well but it wasn't ugly as shit. It actually had/has a bit of a cult following.
The integra was unique in design. You can't say that about the Camry.
04-18-2014, 02:15 PM
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