Acura: Sales, Marketing, and Financial News
07-10-2019, 03:25 AM
#4721
Why does the resident troll keep posting pics of the RLX?
That's not going to change people's minds that the RLX is bland and that its interior is outdated and outclassed, or the fact that Car & Driver ranks the RLX 15th/dead last in its midsize lux car rankings.
Yeah, they're such a world leader that the LS 500 isn't available w/ a V8 and the German FI V8's absolutely crush anything Toyota has to offer (not to mention their V12's).
If you weren't so clueless about the auto industry, you'd know that independent businesses build and own the franchised dealerships, not the automakers (w/ a few, rare exceptions).
Also, if you knew anything about the history of the Acura brand, you'd know that it is simply a separate sales distribution network for the US and Canadian markets and was an intercept brand - meaning a brand meant to intercept those buyers btwn mainstream vehicles and the luxury brands like the Germans.
And the birth of Acura was done on a bargain basis; I had already posted this some years ago, but not surprisingly w/ your pea brain, you (conveniently) forgot.
"It was designed to be an intercept brand, to capture owners of Japanese products before they moved up to BMW and Mercedes," Elliott said.
Acura never reached the prestige or sales levels achieved by Lexus, Mercedes-Benz and BMW, which have battled for luxury-brand leadership in recent years. Acura peaked at 209,610 units in 2005, but then went into a four-year slide before rebounding 26 percent last year to 133,606.
https://www.autonews.com/article/201...-bargain-birth
Yeah, 50 dealerships is such a ROBUST dealer network. lol!
Are you ever correct about anything?
So not only did Honda launch Acura on a budget, they also did it the cheap on the product end by not developing a RWD platform and V8.
Which is why Acura got quickly passed by Lexus when it comes to brand cachet and prestige (and pricing power).
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...128-story.html
Straight from the horse's mouth - John Mendel (basically, the most influential Honda/Acura US exec over the past few decades).
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https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/a...league-luxury/
That's not going to change people's minds that the RLX is bland and that its interior is outdated and outclassed, or the fact that Car & Driver ranks the RLX 15th/dead last in its midsize lux car rankings.
Toyota is world leader in gasoline V8 engines.
when Acura was launched in 1986. it had robust dealer network. your bargain basement Genesis cannot afford dealership. only Acura can afford to develop NSX.
Also, if you knew anything about the history of the Acura brand, you'd know that it is simply a separate sales distribution network for the US and Canadian markets and was an intercept brand - meaning a brand meant to intercept those buyers btwn mainstream vehicles and the luxury brands like the Germans.
And the birth of Acura was done on a bargain basis; I had already posted this some years ago, but not surprisingly w/ your pea brain, you (conveniently) forgot.
Acura's bargain birth
On a shoestring budget and a leap of faith, trailblazing Acura introduced Japanese luxury to the U.S. 25 years ago.
"It was designed to be an intercept brand, to capture owners of Japanese products before they moved up to BMW and Mercedes," Elliott said.
Acura never reached the prestige or sales levels achieved by Lexus, Mercedes-Benz and BMW, which have battled for luxury-brand leadership in recent years. Acura peaked at 209,610 units in 2005, but then went into a four-year slide before rebounding 26 percent last year to 133,606.
Elliott took Honda's dealer council to Japan in 1984 to look at the 1986 Honda and Acura model lineups. The idea was to demonstrate the separation of the two product lines. The dealers were so enthusiastic about the Acura cars that when Honda announced that only 50 dealers would initially get to sell the Acura line, there was a frenzy.
Yeah, 50 dealerships is such a ROBUST dealer network. lol!
Are you ever correct about anything?
How much luxury?
Compared with today's lavish brand campaigns, Honda's launch of Acura was cheap, with just two weeks of teaser commercials before Acura went live.
"Frankly we didn't have time to stop and think about it," Taylor said. "We were working jillion-hour days, six days a week, with a very modest budget."
Compared with today's lavish brand campaigns, Honda's launch of Acura was cheap, with just two weeks of teaser commercials before Acura went live.
"Frankly we didn't have time to stop and think about it," Taylor said. "We were working jillion-hour days, six days a week, with a very modest budget."
The 1986 Legend started at $19,543, including shipping, but that was with a manual transmission and cloth seats. That was more than twice the price of Honda's Accord. Still, from the opening weekend, Acura showrooms were crowded.
"People were ready for it," Wright said. "They wanted to move up a little bit, but didn't want the pricing jump of the Germans, Cadillac and Lincoln." At the time, BMW's 5-series offerings were straddling $30,000, depending on the model, and Mercedes' mid-range E-class models were pushing $40,000.
"People were ready for it," Wright said. "They wanted to move up a little bit, but didn't want the pricing jump of the Germans, Cadillac and Lincoln." At the time, BMW's 5-series offerings were straddling $30,000, depending on the model, and Mercedes' mid-range E-class models were pushing $40,000.
Smart luxury
Once Acura was launched with a complete field organization, it still kept its lean structure. Acura had been on the market for three years in 1989, while Toyota was still in the launch phase for its rival Lexus brand. Yet Lexus already had more employees.
"We didn't have a blank check to do it," Taylor said.
Maybe it was Lexus' depth of resources. Maybe it was Toyota's decision to go to the top of the luxury ladder, unlike Acura's more modest aspirations. But Acura quickly found itself passed by its Japanese rival.
Once Acura was launched with a complete field organization, it still kept its lean structure. Acura had been on the market for three years in 1989, while Toyota was still in the launch phase for its rival Lexus brand. Yet Lexus already had more employees.
"We didn't have a blank check to do it," Taylor said.
Maybe it was Lexus' depth of resources. Maybe it was Toyota's decision to go to the top of the luxury ladder, unlike Acura's more modest aspirations. But Acura quickly found itself passed by its Japanese rival.
So not only did Honda launch Acura on a budget, they also did it the cheap on the product end by not developing a RWD platform and V8.
Which is why Acura got quickly passed by Lexus when it comes to brand cachet and prestige (and pricing power).
When Honda's Acura brand shows off its new flagship RLX sedan at the Los Angles Auto Show on Wednesday, it will be confronted with a marketing conundrum — how to brand the car as a luxury rival to BMW or Lexus rather than just a more expensive Honda.
It's a problem of Honda's own making. When it launched Acura back in 1986, Honda conceived an "intercept" brand.
"It was to be the next step for the Accord owner," said John Mendel, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., "a place to move up without going to the European luxury models."
That proved successful for years. Acura sales peaked at nearly 210,000 in 2005, according to automotive website MotorIntelligence. But as luxury car competition grew more varied and fierce, Acura became what Mendel called a "tweener" brand: upscale but not quite luxury. Sales plummeted to barely 123,000 last year — about half the annual volume of each of the top luxury makes: BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Lexus.
"Acura is not defined, other than to be a step up from Honda," said Thilo Koslowski, an automotive analyst at research firm Gartner Inc. "It needs a place within the premium domain. They need to be unique and differentiated."
It's a problem of Honda's own making. When it launched Acura back in 1986, Honda conceived an "intercept" brand.
"It was to be the next step for the Accord owner," said John Mendel, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., "a place to move up without going to the European luxury models."
That proved successful for years. Acura sales peaked at nearly 210,000 in 2005, according to automotive website MotorIntelligence. But as luxury car competition grew more varied and fierce, Acura became what Mendel called a "tweener" brand: upscale but not quite luxury. Sales plummeted to barely 123,000 last year — about half the annual volume of each of the top luxury makes: BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Lexus.
"Acura is not defined, other than to be a step up from Honda," said Thilo Koslowski, an automotive analyst at research firm Gartner Inc. "It needs a place within the premium domain. They need to be unique and differentiated."
"Acura has always lived off the crumbs of Honda," Mendel said. "Now it needs to be a real destination brand."
Straight from the horse's mouth - John Mendel (basically, the most influential Honda/Acura US exec over the past few decades).
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Jeff Conrad, vice president of American Honda Motor's Acura division, concedes that dealers' expectations are high. He says Acura is working to improve its vehicles, marketing, and retail network. But achieving those goals will take time, he warns.
"Every product we launch becomes more of a Tier One product." Conrad says. "But you don't just snap your fingers and do it overnight. It is a long-term effort."
Acura dealers say they like the revamped TL. But T.Y. Lai, COO of the western region for DCH Auto Group, says sales of the redesigned model have been disappointing.
"We don't consider it luxury yet," says Lai, whose company owns four U.S. Acura dealerships. "I don't think the buyer considers it luxury."
Acura must offer vehicles in higher-priced segments if it wants to be considered a Tier 1 luxury brand, says Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis at J.D. Power and Associates.
Acura has formed a 25-person team of executives to define how it will achieve Tier 1 luxury status. John Mendel, executive vice president of automobile operations at American Honda, heads the team.
"Every product we launch becomes more of a Tier One product." Conrad says. "But you don't just snap your fingers and do it overnight. It is a long-term effort."
Acura dealers say they like the revamped TL. But T.Y. Lai, COO of the western region for DCH Auto Group, says sales of the redesigned model have been disappointing.
"We don't consider it luxury yet," says Lai, whose company owns four U.S. Acura dealerships. "I don't think the buyer considers it luxury."
Acura must offer vehicles in higher-priced segments if it wants to be considered a Tier 1 luxury brand, says Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis at J.D. Power and Associates.
Acura has formed a 25-person team of executives to define how it will achieve Tier 1 luxury status. John Mendel, executive vice president of automobile operations at American Honda, heads the team.
Last edited by YEH; 07-10-2019 at 03:39 AM.
07-10-2019, 03:48 AM
#4722
Cont'd...
So, even the Infiniti brand was seen as being higher by Acura's own dealers. lol
https://www.wardsauto.com/news-analy...-luxury-status
Too far too fast?
Some dealers warn Acura against trying to step up in class too quickly.
"They immediately say they want to be like BMW, like Mercedes, like Lexus," says John Hawkins, president of Great Metro Autogroup, a suburban Los Angeles dealership group that includes an Acura store. Instead, Hawkins says, Acura should aim first to "compare themselves with Infiniti and Audi."
Some dealers warn Acura against trying to step up in class too quickly.
"They immediately say they want to be like BMW, like Mercedes, like Lexus," says John Hawkins, president of Great Metro Autogroup, a suburban Los Angeles dealership group that includes an Acura store. Instead, Hawkins says, Acura should aim first to "compare themselves with Infiniti and Audi."
So, even the Infiniti brand was seen as being higher by Acura's own dealers. lol
Image (wise), we're not quite there yet,” Dan Bonawitz, vice president-auto operations for American Honda Motor Co. Inc., says at the RDX media preview here.
Acura has yet to attain the luxury-vehicle status of the BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Lexus brands.
Honda is trying to emulate BMW by focusing on “more of a performance characteristic,” for Acura, “but (with) our own unique styling (and) unique application of technology,” Bonawitz says.
Acura's lack of a V-8 engine and rear-wheel-drive configuration in its high-volume models is cited by industry watchers as a reason the brand isn't considered among the Tier 1 luxuries.
Bonawitz does not discount a V-8 engine or RWD car in Acura's future.
“We fully intend to be a Tier 1 luxury manufacturer in our own way, and we understand those knocks,” he tells Ward's.
Acura has yet to attain the luxury-vehicle status of the BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Lexus brands.
Honda is trying to emulate BMW by focusing on “more of a performance characteristic,” for Acura, “but (with) our own unique styling (and) unique application of technology,” Bonawitz says.
Acura's lack of a V-8 engine and rear-wheel-drive configuration in its high-volume models is cited by industry watchers as a reason the brand isn't considered among the Tier 1 luxuries.
Bonawitz does not discount a V-8 engine or RWD car in Acura's future.
“We fully intend to be a Tier 1 luxury manufacturer in our own way, and we understand those knocks,” he tells Ward's.
07-10-2019, 04:29 AM
#4723
you problem is that you post worthless links. how exactly is RLX bland?
this looks like belong to 90s.
$15k discount after 400 mile drive.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...929268933.html
2019 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate sedan Casablanca White - $62880
Lexus is leader in V8. Just look at sales of Lexus GX/LandCruiser/LX etc and that NorthAmerica alone. you will find 20 year old Lexus V8 in used market but old MB/BMW belong to either junkyard or antique museum.
you can buy two year old BMW I8 at half price but you cannot buy 2 year old NSX at half price.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...925164124.html
2017 BMW i8 PROTONIC RED EDITION MSRP:$158,995.00 coupe Red
Sale Price: $82888
this looks like belong to 90s.
$15k discount after 400 mile drive.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...929268933.html
2019 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate sedan Casablanca White - $62880
Lexus is leader in V8. Just look at sales of Lexus GX/LandCruiser/LX etc and that NorthAmerica alone. you will find 20 year old Lexus V8 in used market but old MB/BMW belong to either junkyard or antique museum.
you can buy two year old BMW I8 at half price but you cannot buy 2 year old NSX at half price.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...925164124.html
2017 BMW i8 PROTONIC RED EDITION MSRP:$158,995.00 coupe Red
Sale Price: $82888
07-10-2019, 11:26 AM
#4724
Acura SLX a.k.a. re-badged Isuzu Trooper
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/01/474891/
Of course, many of us know about some of Honda’s more widely publicized rebadge flops – but if you don’t, I suggest putting “Isuzu Oasis,” “Acura SLX,” and “Honda Passport” into Google Images. Sales were so poor, you certainly won’t find any on the road.
07-10-2019, 11:27 AM
#4725
you problem is that you post worthless links. how exactly is RLX bland?
this looks like belong to 90s.
$15k discount after 400 mile drive.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...929268933.html
2019 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate sedan Casablanca White - $62880
this looks like belong to 90s.
$15k discount after 400 mile drive.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...929268933.html
2019 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate sedan Casablanca White - $62880
2) Still less "devalued brand" than RLX
G90 MSRP = $74,845 - $62,880 = devalued by $11,965 or 15.98%
RLX MSRP = $62,895 - $48,593 = devalued by $14,302 or 22.74%
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
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07-10-2019, 11:47 AM
#4726
Team Owner
When you use $$ to buy RLX, that $$ value is worth more than other $$s.... so you are wrong. The $48593 asking price is really $58311 (20% Hondalation Value added)
07-10-2019, 12:07 PM
#4727
07-10-2019, 12:49 PM
#4728
Moderator
PMC RLX, probably comes with secret Plaid mode, to further embarrass Model S Ludicrous drivers.
07-10-2019, 01:46 PM
#4729
1) It's not a $15K discount. That's a RWD G90 (MSRP $73,850 + $995 destination), not the AWD G90 (MSRP $76,350 + $995 destination)
2) Still less "devalued brand" than RLX
G90 MSRP = $74,845 - $62,880 = devalued by $11,965 or 15.98%
RLX MSRP = $62,895 - $48,593 = devalued by $14,302 or 22.74%
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
2) Still less "devalued brand" than RLX
G90 MSRP = $74,845 - $62,880 = devalued by $11,965 or 15.98%
RLX MSRP = $62,895 - $48,593 = devalued by $14,302 or 22.74%
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
I gave you NSX example. there used to be big discounts when buy new from Acura. but once in used market no other sports car can match the resale value of NSX. this is how it is perceived by the buyer.
07-10-2019, 02:02 PM
#4730
07-10-2019, 04:47 PM
#4731
Team Owner
^but those dont have all season tires stock or aero mirrors, so they dont count.... not to mention they are not reliable... who cares about resale value if they are not reliable...
See what i did there
See what i did there
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07-10-2019, 05:58 PM
#4732
in your Link 2013 911GT3 does not lose value
but there 2018 practically new lost 28$ k once you include $3k clear bra.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...922445890.html
2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Coupe LOADED w/ Options 650 miles Like New! - $174900 (concord / pleasant hill / martinez)
Original MSRP/Sticker was $171,170, has approx $28K in Options!
2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Coupe LOADED w/ Options 650 miles Like New! - $174900 (concord / pleasant hill / martinez)
Original MSRP/Sticker was $171,170, has approx $28K in Options!
this Ferrari so unreliable that only driven 7k miles in 8 years and still lose $80k.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd...927429472.html
2011 Ferrari 458 Italia. White over Red. Carbon Seats. 7k Miles. - $189999
This incredible 458 was ordered in a unique and stunning color combination. It is in exceptional condition inside and out, has seen just 7k miles since new, and has never been tracked or abused. With an original sticker price just shy of $265k, the car is highly equipped with options
2011 Ferrari 458 Italia. White over Red. Carbon Seats. 7k Miles. - $189999
This incredible 458 was ordered in a unique and stunning color combination. It is in exceptional condition inside and out, has seen just 7k miles since new, and has never been tracked or abused. With an original sticker price just shy of $265k, the car is highly equipped with options
this limited out of production cars that you cannot buy in retail store.
As I said the cars you posted are either belong to junkyard or museum antiques. they are not road worthy.
07-10-2019, 06:10 PM
#4733
61000 miles on odometer. most of cars on your list will fall apart at 61000 miles let alone any worth.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...930021671.html
2004 Acura NSX Imola Orange Supercharged - $99950 (walnut creek)
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...930021671.html
2004 Acura NSX Imola Orange Supercharged - $99950 (walnut creek)
07-10-2019, 06:23 PM
#4734
Team Owner
So was i right or was it right? 
07-11-2019, 12:49 AM
#4735
61000 miles on odometer. most of cars on your list will fall apart at 61000 miles let alone any worth.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...930021671.html
2004 Acura NSX Imola Orange Supercharged - $99950 (walnut creek)
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...930021671.html
2004 Acura NSX Imola Orange Supercharged - $99950 (walnut creek)
If you remove all the modifications which the seller spent over $30K on ("Over $30,000 has been spent on performance modifications."), car would be priced closer to $60K.
How about showing us stock from the factory examples of NSX's that have this supposedly unmatched resale value.
Car has to be reliable too? Okay. Is Lexus reliable enough for you?
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...1664/overview/
This one sold for $700,000
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...-lfa-for-sale/
There's a Bright Green Lexus LFA for Sale Right Now for $700,000
Sep 20, 2018
The market price for an LFA is currently hovering near the $500,000 range — well above the car's original $375,000 MSRP. It's safe to say these things are now collector items, which explains why the seller of this green example, CNC Motors in Upland, California, is asking a staggering $699,888. It's not like it's an ultra-rare hardcore Nurburgring Edition, either—it's just a normal production LFA. That means a 4.8-liter V10 making 553 horsepower sending power to the rear wheels via a six-speed single clutch automatic gearbox, and arguably the greatest engine noise on earth. The exhaust was tuned by Yamaha to make it particularly great, and it delivers. The only thing that makes this car stand out from the rest is its color.
It's rare to see an LFA in such a vibrant color, but is it worth the extravagant asking price? Well, that's up to the market to decide. This same exact car appeared on DuPont Registry in 2014 with an asking price of $399,900 and 745 miles on the clock. Now, it has nearly double the mileage, and a $300,000 higher asking price.
Sep 20, 2018
The market price for an LFA is currently hovering near the $500,000 range — well above the car's original $375,000 MSRP. It's safe to say these things are now collector items, which explains why the seller of this green example, CNC Motors in Upland, California, is asking a staggering $699,888. It's not like it's an ultra-rare hardcore Nurburgring Edition, either—it's just a normal production LFA. That means a 4.8-liter V10 making 553 horsepower sending power to the rear wheels via a six-speed single clutch automatic gearbox, and arguably the greatest engine noise on earth. The exhaust was tuned by Yamaha to make it particularly great, and it delivers. The only thing that makes this car stand out from the rest is its color.
It's rare to see an LFA in such a vibrant color, but is it worth the extravagant asking price? Well, that's up to the market to decide. This same exact car appeared on DuPont Registry in 2014 with an asking price of $399,900 and 745 miles on the clock. Now, it has nearly double the mileage, and a $300,000 higher asking price.
07-11-2019, 01:56 AM
#4736
LFA is low production low mileage collector item. it is practically not used.
NSX does not depreciate at all when you consider the mileage on it.
this is like 50% depreciation at 15K miles.
show me 2019 RLX that depreciate 50% at 15K miles let alone NSX and those are not even new models.
NSX does not depreciate at all when you consider the mileage on it.
this is like 50% depreciation at 15K miles.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...927435318.html
2019 BMW 740i, loaded, nav, driverassist, coldweather, 15k, MINT #4126 - $54900
2019 BMW 740i, loaded, nav, driverassist, coldweather, 15k, MINT #4126 - $54900
show me 2019 RLX that depreciate 50% at 15K miles let alone NSX and those are not even new models.
07-11-2019, 03:20 AM
#4737
Or their own CUV/SUV.
Acura SLX a.k.a. re-badged Isuzu Trooper
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/01/474891/
Acura SLX a.k.a. re-badged Isuzu Trooper
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/01/474891/
Pretty much everything the resident TROLL has claimed has (not surprisingly) been proven false.
1. Huge depreciation on the RLX (it it weren't so cheap to begin w/ the ILX would be included, as it's the #1 vehicle owners regret purchasing).
2. Huge incentives on the TLX (haven't checked, but sure the same applies to the RLX - as it has for a long while)
3. Below average reliability
Even Honda/Acura execs have acknowledged that Acura is behind even Infiniti and that Honda has basically starved it of any means to be considered a Tier 1 player.
"Acura has always lived off the crumbs of Honda," Mendel said. "Now it needs to be a real destination brand."
And what does it say about a brand when it doesn't even exist in its HOME market?
Along w/ rebadging an Isuzu, Honda/Acura had a JV w/ Rover - which ended up w/ the Legend and the Rover 800 being mechanically related,
But the worst was selling what were essentially rebadged variants of the Civic such as the EL and CSX.
Why get the ILX when the Civic is better (being on a newer platform) and the ILX not having the performance chops of the CTR?
The launch of the 2G NSX was met w/ a resounding snore as it was overtaken by the launch of the Ford GT.
Despite being but a mere Ford, the GT has actually
Now, the NSX is still a very capable supercar (even if not garnering the same level of attention as the 1G model), but if I were to get one, would want it to be w/ the Honda badge.
The Honda badge means something (same reason why the GT-R remains a Nissan and the Century, a Toyota).
show me 2019 RLX that depreciate 50% at 15K miles let alone NSX and those are not even new models.
Unlike the NSX, the Ford GT has appreciated in value.
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Last edited by YEH; 07-11-2019 at 03:25 AM.
07-11-2019, 09:02 AM
#4739
Pretty much everything the resident TROLL has claimed has (not surprisingly) been proven false.
1. Huge depreciation on the RLX (it it weren't so cheap to begin w/ the ILX would be included, as it's the #1 vehicle owners regret purchasing).
2. Huge incentives on the TLX (haven't checked, but sure the same applies to the RLX - as it has for a long while)
3. Below average reliability
Even Honda/Acura execs have acknowledged that Acura is behind even Infiniti and that Honda has basically starved it of any means to be considered a Tier 1 player.
The Acura brand has been in existence for over 3 decades and Genesis barely 3 years, and yet Genesis is already sold in more countries than Acura.
And what does it say about a brand when it doesn't even exist in its HOME market?
Along w/ rebadging an Isuzu, Honda/Acura had a JV w/ Rover - which ended up w/ the Legend and the Rover 800 being mechanically related,
But the worst was selling what were essentially rebadged variants of the Civic such as the EL and CSX.
Why get the ILX when the Civic is better (being on a newer platform) and the ILX not having the performance chops of the CTR?
The launch of the 2G NSX was met w/ a resounding snore as it was overtaken by the launch of the Ford GT.
Despite being but a mere Ford, the GT has actuallyappreciated in value.
Now, the NSX is still a very capable supercar (even if not garnering the same level of attention as the 1G model), but if I were to get one, would want it to be w/ the Honda badge.
The Honda badge means something (same reason why the GT-R remains a Nissan and the Century, a Toyota).
Unlike the NSX, the Ford GT has appreciated in value.
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1. Huge depreciation on the RLX (it it weren't so cheap to begin w/ the ILX would be included, as it's the #1 vehicle owners regret purchasing).
2. Huge incentives on the TLX (haven't checked, but sure the same applies to the RLX - as it has for a long while)
3. Below average reliability
Even Honda/Acura execs have acknowledged that Acura is behind even Infiniti and that Honda has basically starved it of any means to be considered a Tier 1 player.
The Acura brand has been in existence for over 3 decades and Genesis barely 3 years, and yet Genesis is already sold in more countries than Acura.
And what does it say about a brand when it doesn't even exist in its HOME market?
Along w/ rebadging an Isuzu, Honda/Acura had a JV w/ Rover - which ended up w/ the Legend and the Rover 800 being mechanically related,
But the worst was selling what were essentially rebadged variants of the Civic such as the EL and CSX.
Why get the ILX when the Civic is better (being on a newer platform) and the ILX not having the performance chops of the CTR?
The launch of the 2G NSX was met w/ a resounding snore as it was overtaken by the launch of the Ford GT.
Despite being but a mere Ford, the GT has actually
Now, the NSX is still a very capable supercar (even if not garnering the same level of attention as the 1G model), but if I were to get one, would want it to be w/ the Honda badge.
The Honda badge means something (same reason why the GT-R remains a Nissan and the Century, a Toyota).
Unlike the NSX, the Ford GT has appreciated in value.
.
stop whinning now. your so called new Genesis brand depreciate as much as Acura RLX built on 15 year old platform with no latest infotainment system with no free maintainance and no 10 year powertrain warranty.
just look BMW I8 used prices when people actually drive those cars. this called discount brand.
NSX is built for all road conditions.
https://www.tflcar.com/2019/07/the-b...-vs-acura-nsx/
Acura NSX: Not only is the Acura NSX a marvel of science, it’s a joy to drive. It feels natural to drive, especially when it’s pushed. I’ve driven the NSX in many conditions on several roads. Despite having three electric motors and more computing power than NORAD, it feels almost organic.
The NSX screams when abused, but for all the right reasons.It sounds amazing too. You would be hard pressed to feel it when the electric power assists forward progress. It’s seamless.
As enjoyable as it was to drive in the wet AND dry, there’s nothing more rewarding than pushing it through a corner and stabbing the accelerator. The sound mixed with high G cornering is addictive.
Acura NSX: Not only is the Acura NSX a marvel of science, it’s a joy to drive. It feels natural to drive, especially when it’s pushed. I’ve driven the NSX in many conditions on several roads. Despite having three electric motors and more computing power than NORAD, it feels almost organic.
The NSX screams when abused, but for all the right reasons.It sounds amazing too. You would be hard pressed to feel it when the electric power assists forward progress. It’s seamless.
As enjoyable as it was to drive in the wet AND dry, there’s nothing more rewarding than pushing it through a corner and stabbing the accelerator. The sound mixed with high G cornering is addictive.
this Acura own description now in 2019.w here it say in 2019 it is Honda plus unlike Hyundai that is following failed engineering model of Germanic industrial hedgpodge.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300881345.html
About Acura
Acura is a leading automotive luxury nameplate that delivers Precision Crafted Performance – a commitment to Evocative styling, high performance and innovative engineering, all built on a foundation of quality and reliability.
About Acura
Acura is a leading automotive luxury nameplate that delivers Precision Crafted Performance – a commitment to Evocative styling, high performance and innovative engineering, all built on a foundation of quality and reliability.
07-11-2019, 12:10 PM
#4740
Team Owner
07-11-2019, 12:11 PM
#4741
Team Owner
LFA is low production low mileage collector item. it is practically not used.
NSX does not depreciate at all when you consider the mileage on it.
this is like 50% depreciation at 15K miles.
show me 2019 RLX that depreciate 50% at 15K miles let alone NSX and those are not even new models.
NSX does not depreciate at all when you consider the mileage on it.
this is like 50% depreciation at 15K miles.
show me 2019 RLX that depreciate 50% at 15K miles let alone NSX and those are not even new models.
07-26-2019, 01:29 PM
#4742
Honda horsepower at work. it demolish Hyundai at higher speeds despite bigger tires. and People here think NSX cannot outperform competition at higher speeds.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/hond...arison-review/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/hond...arison-review/
07-26-2019, 01:41 PM
#4743
Team Owner
I think you meant Math at work???
the 175-hp Civic and 147-hp Elantra
the 175-hp Civic and 147-hp Elantra
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07-27-2019, 04:49 PM
#4744
^^
Eh, different publications have diff. results.
C/D did instrument tests on the 2017 Elantra Sport and Civic Si manuals (wins highlighted in bold).
Elantra
Zero to 60 mph: 6.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 8.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.1 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
Civic
Zero to 60 mph: 6.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 13.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.0 sec @ 95 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...n-test-review/
And the Elantra is 130 lbs heavier.
Nonetheless, the Civic, overall, is the better package (even tho the dash design is ughh, but the polarizing, facelifted design of the Elantra more than makes up for that).
What will be interesting is how the next gen models of the 2 compare (the prototype of the next Elantra is already undergoing testing) - as the Hyundai will get the next gen platform and powertrains (Smartstream).
Eh, different publications have diff. results.
C/D did instrument tests on the 2017 Elantra Sport and Civic Si manuals (wins highlighted in bold).
Elantra
Zero to 60 mph: 6.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 8.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.1 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
Civic
Zero to 60 mph: 6.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 13.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.0 sec @ 95 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...n-test-review/
And the Elantra is 130 lbs heavier.
Nonetheless, the Civic, overall, is the better package (even tho the dash design is ughh, but the polarizing, facelifted design of the Elantra more than makes up for that).
What will be interesting is how the next gen models of the 2 compare (the prototype of the next Elantra is already undergoing testing) - as the Hyundai will get the next gen platform and powertrains (Smartstream).
Last edited by YEH; 07-27-2019 at 04:56 PM.
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07-27-2019, 10:54 PM
#4746
^^
Eh, different publications have diff. results.
C/D did instrument tests on the 2017 Elantra Sport and Civic Si manuals (wins highlighted in bold).
Elantra
Zero to 60 mph: 6.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 8.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.1 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
Civic
Zero to 60 mph: 6.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 13.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.0 sec @ 95 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...n-test-review/
And the Elantra is 130 lbs heavier.
Nonetheless, the Civic, overall, is the better package (even tho the dash design is ughh, but the polarizing, facelifted design of the Elantra more than makes up for that).
What will be interesting is how the next gen models of the 2 compare (the prototype of the next Elantra is already undergoing testing) - as the Hyundai will get the next gen platform and powertrains (Smartstream).
Eh, different publications have diff. results.
C/D did instrument tests on the 2017 Elantra Sport and Civic Si manuals (wins highlighted in bold).
Elantra
Zero to 60 mph: 6.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 8.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.1 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
Civic
Zero to 60 mph: 6.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 13.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.0 sec @ 95 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...n-test-review/
And the Elantra is 130 lbs heavier.
Nonetheless, the Civic, overall, is the better package (even tho the dash design is ughh, but the polarizing, facelifted design of the Elantra more than makes up for that).
What will be interesting is how the next gen models of the 2 compare (the prototype of the next Elantra is already undergoing testing) - as the Hyundai will get the next gen platform and powertrains (Smartstream).
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...e-test-review/
2017 Honda Civic Si Coupe
Zero to 60 mph: 6.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.9 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 34.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 12.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.8 sec @ 96 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 g
I don't want to embarrass you with Honda Passport performance. Tallest, fastest, largest cargo area SUV with offroad performance as good as Body on Frame. . you wont put any Hyundai-Kia next to it. I am even confident for its sales number.
07-28-2019, 02:12 AM
#4747
^ Yeah, b/c a coupe is the same thing as a 4-door sedan.
Unless, someone drives one of the crossover-coupes or smaller crossovers, you think people really care too much about speed?
Honda was too cheap/lazy to chop off/shorten the Pilot's platform so the Passport is larger (esp. at the WB) than other CUVs in the smaller midsize segment (Edge, Murano, Santa Fe, Sorento, etc.).
Think H/K will take the 13.8k Santa Fes/Sorentos they sold last month over the 3.4k Passports Honda sold.
And the Telluride for being a soft-roader isn't too bad off-road.
The Kia Telluride Has Some Serious Off-Road Chops
I didn't expect the Kia to get far on one of the toughest trails in North Carolina. It made it to the top—but not without some drama.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...ology/a2737248
The Telluride also came in 1st at the 2019 Mudfest for the Midsize/Fullsize family category (beating out the 4Runner TRD Pro which came in 2nd) and was overall Runner-up (to the Gladiator Rubicon).
Sorry, but the Passport didn't win any awards.
Now, speaking of the Telluride - the top SXP trim has been in so much in demand that Kia had to stop taking orders due to the lengthy wait-times (just re-opened taking orders but told their dealerships not to go too crazy).
Demand has been so high for the SXP that any which manage to hit the the dealer lot unspoken for are going for thousands over sticker (highest has been $7k over).
Could be wrong, but don't think that's ever happened for the Pilot.
Buyers of these 3-row CUVs care about interior space/room, ride, amenities, quality of interior and for those who are particular - looks.
The Pilot's interior/dash looks cheap/outdated by comparison (same goes for the Passport's since it's identical) and that's on top of the Pilot looking like a minivan.
And oh, H/K are developing proper BoF pick-ups and SUVs for those who need real off-road capabilities.
Unless, someone drives one of the crossover-coupes or smaller crossovers, you think people really care too much about speed?
Honda was too cheap/lazy to chop off/shorten the Pilot's platform so the Passport is larger (esp. at the WB) than other CUVs in the smaller midsize segment (Edge, Murano, Santa Fe, Sorento, etc.).
Think H/K will take the 13.8k Santa Fes/Sorentos they sold last month over the 3.4k Passports Honda sold.
And the Telluride for being a soft-roader isn't too bad off-road.
The Kia Telluride Has Some Serious Off-Road Chops
I didn't expect the Kia to get far on one of the toughest trails in North Carolina. It made it to the top—but not without some drama.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...ology/a2737248
The Telluride also came in 1st at the 2019 Mudfest for the Midsize/Fullsize family category (beating out the 4Runner TRD Pro which came in 2nd) and was overall Runner-up (to the Gladiator Rubicon).
Sorry, but the Passport didn't win any awards.
Now, speaking of the Telluride - the top SXP trim has been in so much in demand that Kia had to stop taking orders due to the lengthy wait-times (just re-opened taking orders but told their dealerships not to go too crazy).
Demand has been so high for the SXP that any which manage to hit the the dealer lot unspoken for are going for thousands over sticker (highest has been $7k over).
Could be wrong, but don't think that's ever happened for the Pilot.
Buyers of these 3-row CUVs care about interior space/room, ride, amenities, quality of interior and for those who are particular - looks.
The Pilot's interior/dash looks cheap/outdated by comparison (same goes for the Passport's since it's identical) and that's on top of the Pilot looking like a minivan.
And oh, H/K are developing proper BoF pick-ups and SUVs for those who need real off-road capabilities.
Last edited by YEH; 07-28-2019 at 02:24 AM.
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07-28-2019, 11:55 AM
#4748
Honda Passport is full second faster at higher speed than Pilot even with bigger 265 size tires. it is taller vehicle with commanding road view like Lexus GX.. so how you think they related?. and it has huge space inside. 100 cubic behind front seat. too tall and wide. it is super refined.
no body care about interior materials for tough work.
read each of the links and eat your words.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/2019...-size-suv.html
The 2019 Honda Passport is the best mid-size SUV
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...onda-passport/
The 2019 Honda Passport and Chevrolet Blazer vs. the Ford Edge, Nissan Murano, and Hyundai Santa Fe
Highs: Big on space, small from behind the wheel, quick, priced right.
no body care about interior materials for tough work.
read each of the links and eat your words.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/2019...-size-suv.html
The 2019 Honda Passport is the best mid-size SUV
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...onda-passport/
The 2019 Honda Passport and Chevrolet Blazer vs. the Ford Edge, Nissan Murano, and Hyundai Santa Fe
Highs: Big on space, small from behind the wheel, quick, priced right.
07-28-2019, 12:05 PM
#4749
Now, speaking of the Telluride - the top SXP trim has been in so much in demand that Kia had to stop taking orders due to the lengthy wait-times (just re-opened taking orders but told their dealerships not to go too crazy).
Demand has been so high for the SXP that any which manage to hit the the dealer lot unspoken for are going for thousands over sticker (highest has been $7k over).
Demand has been so high for the SXP that any which manage to hit the the dealer lot unspoken for are going for thousands over sticker (highest has been $7k over).
you have the same stale excuses since 2009 of. production limits. but in less than two years these so called Kia will have less value in used market.
https://www.thecarconnection.com/new...honda-passport
We RoofNested in a 2019 Honda Passport and loved it
I’m proof that you can drive 400 miles at 80 miles per hour with the front latches open and not cause anything traumatic. Some wind noise and a slight dip in fuel economy aside, everything’s fine, other than the miasma of bug guts sprayed over the front of the tent.
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07-28-2019, 07:19 PM
#4751
^^ That TFL video is testing under artificial conditions to simulate real ones (but not quite the same as the real thing).
Plus, the Telluride wasn't included - so what does that video matter?
Otoh, the Passport was among the vehicles included for the 2019 Mudfest (in real conditions) and failed to win any awards.
According to TrueCar - the Passport Elite has a market avg. savings of $2,500.
The Pilot EX-L w/ Nav has a market avg. savings of $3,400.
The Telluride SX has a market avg. premium of $2,300.
And since resale value is based off of MSRP and not ATP, there's a very good chance that the Telluride will end up w/ better depreciation than the Pilot.
But all of this doesn't really matter as much as H/K selling 13.8k Santa Fes/Sorentos last month vs. the 3.4k Passports Honda sold (Honda limited the market for its tweener CUV by simply chopping off the end of the Pilot).
H/K/G are creeping closer to H/A monthly sales total - and the Palisade just started to hit the lots w/ the Venue, Seltos and Santa Cruz, etc. to come, in addition to the upcoming Genesis models.
Plus, the Telluride wasn't included - so what does that video matter?
Otoh, the Passport was among the vehicles included for the 2019 Mudfest (in real conditions) and failed to win any awards.
According to TrueCar - the Passport Elite has a market avg. savings of $2,500.
The Pilot EX-L w/ Nav has a market avg. savings of $3,400.
The Telluride SX has a market avg. premium of $2,300.
And since resale value is based off of MSRP and not ATP, there's a very good chance that the Telluride will end up w/ better depreciation than the Pilot.
But all of this doesn't really matter as much as H/K selling 13.8k Santa Fes/Sorentos last month vs. the 3.4k Passports Honda sold (Honda limited the market for its tweener CUV by simply chopping off the end of the Pilot).
H/K/G are creeping closer to H/A monthly sales total - and the Palisade just started to hit the lots w/ the Venue, Seltos and Santa Cruz, etc. to come, in addition to the upcoming Genesis models.
Last edited by YEH; 07-28-2019 at 07:21 PM.
07-28-2019, 09:33 PM
#4752
ATP purchased price don't matter at this point as Kia size is almost 197 inch with MSRP less than Passport.. Passport is only 190.5 inch length. I don't think It has HUD.
Kia deliberately choose lower price and Always production limit.
you want to bet Passport vs Telluride sales in July?
how big will be the gap.
Kia deliberately choose lower price and Always production limit.
you want to bet Passport vs Telluride sales in July?
how big will be the gap.
07-29-2019, 07:37 AM
#4753
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
So to sum up: If you're looking for a large SUV, the Kia is the better value.
Got it.
Got it.
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07-30-2019, 12:23 AM
#4754
ATP purchased price don't matter at this point as Kia size is almost 197 inch with MSRP less than Passport.. Passport is only 190.5 inch length. I don't think It has HUD.
Kia deliberately choose lower price and Always production limit.
you want to bet Passport vs Telluride sales in July?
how big will be the gap.
Kia deliberately choose lower price and Always production limit.
you want to bet Passport vs Telluride sales in July?
how big will be the gap.
As the Passport is not a 3-row like the Telluride.
Just threw it in there b/c you were the one who brought it up.
According to TrueCar - the Passport Elite has a market avg. savings of $2,500.
The Pilot EX-L w/ Nav has a market avg. savings of $3,400.
The Telluride SX has a market avg. premium of $2,300.
And since resale value is based off of MSRP and not ATP, there's a very good chance that the Telluride will end up w/ better depreciation than the Pilot.
The Pilot EX-L w/ Nav has a market avg. savings of $3,400.
The Telluride SX has a market avg. premium of $2,300.
And since resale value is based off of MSRP and not ATP, there's a very good chance that the Telluride will end up w/ better depreciation than the Pilot.
Pilot Touring 7 - market avg. savings of $3,900 (so even higher discount)
And market avg. price of $41.9k (sticker - $45.2k)
Telluride SX has a market avg. price of $46.5k (sticker - $44.5k)
So while the sticker for the Telluride SX is a little lower ($700 less), the ATP is $4.6k higher.
On top of that, have yet to see one comparison or ranking where the Pilot bests the Telluride.
Last edited by YEH; 07-30-2019 at 12:26 AM.
08-01-2019, 09:39 AM
#4755
Safety Car
July 2019
https://acuranews.com/acura-automobi...-sales-results
Record Truck and Robust Car Sales Drive Solid July Gains for American Honda
Aug 1, 2019- Record Honda truck sales plus strong Acura performance push American Honda trucks to best-ever July
- Honda Civic continues stellar performance with 11% July sales increase
- Honda CR-V sales top 33,000, as Ridgeline and Passport team to push Honda trucks to new July record
- Acura ILX continues to demonstrate segment retail sales leadership with 40% jump
- Acura RDX and MDX combine for nearly 10,000 units; MDX gains 9% in best month of 2019
Total
141,296
+1.9%
Cars
62,796
+1.8%
Trucks
78,500
+2.1%
Total
128,537
+2.5%
Cars
59,759
+1.9%
Trucks
68,778
+3.1%
Total
12,759
-3.7%
Cars
3,037
-1.1%
Trucks
9,722
-4.5%
“Despite industry headwinds, our strategic approach to the market continues to pay dividends for both the Honda and Acura brands,” said Henio Arcangeli, Jr., senior vice president of Automobile Sales at American Honda Motor Co. “Honda strengthened its position as the #1 retail passenger car brand in America in July, even as we grow our SUV sales. Additionally, Acura maintained strong SUV sales and segment-leading performance from our gateway models which are key to bringing young buyers into the brand.”
BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights
Honda trucks set a new July record, gaining 3.1% from strong performances across the lineup. Honda cars also delivered in July, with Civic gaining in double-digits, Accord topping 24,000 units and electrified models exceeding 5,000 sales.
- Civic sustained strong momentum, up 10.9% on sales of 29,167 units.
- Despite somewhat tight supply, CR-V continued to lead Honda brand sales with 33,656 vehicles delivered in July.
- Ridgeline jumped 10.5% on sales of 2,749 vehicles.
- Pilot remained strong with 11,874 deliveries and Passport notched 3,511 sales, even as several new competitors enter the market.
Model Notes
Honda is the retail #1 passenger car brand in America through the first half of 2019, gaining the most share of any mainstream brand and actually growing its lead.
Kelley Blue Book has named Honda the Most Awarded Brand of 2019 for its decades-long delivery of strong resale value and reliability.
BRAND REPORT
Sales Highlights
ILX continued to play a key role as the gateway to the Acura lineup, increasing sales for the 10th straight month, while RDX and MDX approached 10,000 sales and RDX maintained its position as 3rd best retail-selling vehicle in all of luxury.
- Sales of the ILX sport sedan jumped 40% in July, increasing sales in an otherwise declining segment.
- MDX gained 9% on sales of 4,788 units for the month, helping Acura’s flagship SUV stay on pace for an 8th straight year of 50,000 in sales.
- RDX continues to lead the compact luxury SUV segment in retail sales through July, logging 4,934 deliveries for the month.
Model Notes
MDX is on its way to an eighth straight year with sales topping 50K and remains the #1 3-row luxury SUV of all-time.
ILX is the fastest growing vehicle in its class and with 27.8% growth this year has taken over as retail #1 compact luxury sedan.
08-01-2019, 10:48 AM
#4756
Um, didn't really compare the pricing w/ the Passport.
As the Passport is not a 3-row like the Telluride.
Just threw it in there b/c you were the one who brought it up.
Actually, should have compared the Telluride SX w/ the Pilot Touring 7 passenger as they are the most similar.
Pilot Touring 7 - market avg. savings of $3,900 (so even higher discount)
And market avg. price of $41.9k (sticker - $45.2k)
Telluride SX has a market avg. price of $46.5k (sticker - $44.5k)
So while the sticker for the Telluride SX is a little lower ($700 less), the ATP is $4.6k higher.
On top of that, have yet to see one comparison or ranking where the Pilot bests the Telluride.
As the Passport is not a 3-row like the Telluride.
Just threw it in there b/c you were the one who brought it up.
Actually, should have compared the Telluride SX w/ the Pilot Touring 7 passenger as they are the most similar.
Pilot Touring 7 - market avg. savings of $3,900 (so even higher discount)
And market avg. price of $41.9k (sticker - $45.2k)
Telluride SX has a market avg. price of $46.5k (sticker - $44.5k)
So while the sticker for the Telluride SX is a little lower ($700 less), the ATP is $4.6k higher.
On top of that, have yet to see one comparison or ranking where the Pilot bests the Telluride.
the quality is already showing.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/29219/...-across-street
08-01-2019, 11:36 AM
#4758
Team Owner
you know it is bad when TLX and ILX have similar sales #s
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08-01-2019, 02:01 PM
#4759
Ex-OEM King
They convinced 42 people to buy an RLX?
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08-06-2019, 01:29 AM
#4760
H/K start pricing lower and than production restraint every new product just to hype it. and than all of sudden proclaim price premiums. idiots should price thing accurately from beginning ith adequate production
And besides, Kia already increased production of the Telluride.
But let's actually talk Acura.
There are prospective buyers who have set their hearts on the Telluride SXP, but are seriously considering the MDX b/c it is the financially prudent purchase.
In order to get the SXP, they would have to pay a premium; meanwhile they can get the MDX w/ the Tech package for $8k+ off sticker.- which makes the MDX several thousands cheaper.