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Old 07-03-2018, 05:47 PM
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The A3 and maybe the CLA come to mind. But I’d be hard pressed to opt for the ILX over those two, unless I was a hardcore Hondaphile. Even then, I’d have to consider a Civic Touring.
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as of right now. Civic is cheaper, faster and better looking.... with better tech and more features..... why would anyone still buy ILX is beyond me... The sale # should be 0.
Please dont say Acura brand is worth $xxxx, no it is not.

Why is 2 series on that list? It is a coupe... naturally, there will be significantly less people buying it... but it has about the same sales # as ILX... being a coupe.

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I was at my local Acura dealership and there was a 2017 ILX which is brand new. My dad asked the salesperson why it's still there several times and the salesman just said oh this dosen't happen often and it's a great deal....lol.
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Hyundai Motor America Reports June 2018 Sales | Markets Insider

Monthly drill for Yeh.
G90 sales are now approaching RLX. G80 has greatest collapse in its segment.
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I was at my local Acura dealership and there was a 2017 ILX which is brand new. My dad asked the salesperson why it's still there several times and the salesman just said oh this dosen't happen often and it's a great deal....lol.
my dealer had one in the showroom for quite some time as well. But they weren’t as coy as your dealer, confirming that ILXs have been slow movers since inception. Unless Honda makes the 2G into a solid 2 series/A3 competitor, they should go back to making it a Canada-only model like its CSX/EL predecessors.


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Hyundai Motor America Reports June 2018 Sales | Markets Insider

Monthly drill for Yeh.
G90 sales are now approaching RLX. G80 has greatest collapse in its segment.
Here’s an article on Honda/Acura (really the 2019 RDX sales) and if they keep flying off the lots...it could mean no better discounts anytime soon.

Acura RDX Snaps Multiple Sales Records Amidst 2019 Model Launch - Honda News
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As much as that sucks for the current consumer, this bodes very well for the future of Acura and all subsequent models it produces.
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Originally Posted by F23A4 View Post

my dealer had one in the showroom for quite so time as well. But they weren’t as coy as your dealer, confirming that ILXs have been slow movers since inception. Unless Honda makes the 2G into a solid 2 series/A3 competitor, they should go back to making it a Canada-only model like its CSX/EL predecessors.
lol MSRP is CAD$34k and they are selling it for $27k...which is actually not bad I guess.

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As much as that sucks for the current consumer, this bodes very well for the future of Acura and all subsequent models it produces.
For sure, though how many of those were 2018 RDX? But ya, the new RDX is really nice inside!
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Hyundai Motor America Reports June 2018 Sales | Markets Insider

Monthly drill for Yeh.
G90 sales are now approaching RLX. G80 has greatest collapse in its segment.
Your attempts at trolling are more pathetic than ever.

YTD sales

G90 - 1,616
RLX/RL - 922 (geeze, there are still RLs on the lots for sale!)

And that's not even taking into account that the G90 starts $13.5k higher than the RLX.

Also, Hyundai has paid for the development and tooling costs for the G90 just on Korean sales, alone.

In its 1st year of sale, had 13k in pre-orders within the first month of sale (had to double planned production in order to meet demand) and is still selling at around a 1k clip monthly.

What do you think RLX, er Honda Legend, sales are like in Japan?

Heck, the new K9/K900 has been doing 1,700 a month sales clip in Korea.

And a face-lifted G90 should launch within a year.

Not only that, Kia has been selling 1,500-1,700 Stingers a month in the US w/ about 50% of buyers opting for the GT (so a good bit higher ATP than the TLX).

Heck, in Australia, 90% of Stinger buyers have opted for the GT and 80% for the most expensive trim.

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you not including the free at home maintaince for G90 in its price comparison. plus G90 is much deeply discounted.
sales in Asia irrelevant as we don't know what kind of subsidy involved. lt is like K car and motorbikes of Honda.

The basic point. G90 and G80 has completely flopped in 3rd year of there sales. much deeper than RLX/TLX.
RLX/TLX hasn't introduced latest Honda technology yet. it will show up in comping quarterly earnings.
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you not including the free at home maintaince for G90 in its price comparison. plus G90 is much deeply discounted.
sales in Asia irrelevant as we don't know what kind of subsidy involved. lt is like K car and motorbikes of Honda.

The basic point. G90 and G80 has completely flopped in 3rd year of there sales. much deeper than RLX/TLX.
RLX/TLX hasn't introduced latest Honda technology yet. it will show up in comping quarterly earnings.
Unless "attractive style" is the latest Honda technology, Acura doesn't stand a chance among sedans.
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you not including the free at home maintaince for G90 in its price comparison. plus G90 is much deeply discounted.
sales in Asia irrelevant as we don't know what kind of subsidy involved. lt is like K car and motorbikes of Honda.

The basic point. G90 and G80 has completely flopped in 3rd year of there sales. much deeper than RLX/TLX.
RLX/TLX hasn't introduced latest Honda technology yet. it will show up in comping quarterly earnings.
You sure are forgetful, or is that just conveniently ignoring?




And that's from 4 years ago.

For the 2018MY, buyers have been getting over $8k in lease incentives for the RLX Sport.

Which is what the lease incentive on the G90 Ultimate has been (which is at a higher price).

So the RLX Sport can be had for $630/month - which is actually a lower payment than what many lessees of the Stinger GT2 have gotten.

And Kia sells more GT2s than Acura does the RLX entirely.

As for things like maintenance - that's the type of amenities that lux brands provide.

Lexus quickly overtook Acura b/c they provided a higher level of service and amenities (in addition to having higher-end products).

And such an amenity doesn't come anywhere close to the price difference btwn the G90 and RLX.

And again, you're wrong.

The Genesis/G80 is actually nearing the end of its life-cycle (went on sale in 2014) w/ a new model due in about a year and a half.

And you're also wrong about Asian sales being irrelevant.

Asian and worldwide sales go into an automaker's calculation of whether a model (and the platform and powertrains that go along w/ it) is worth further investment based on ROI.

In SKorea, alone, Genesis and Kia (RWD models) will do a combined 80k in sales.

What are Acura, er, Honda+ sales in Japan?

And sorry, your message/excuses is getting old.

Previously, it was just wait until the RLX Sport hybrid model arrives - which will really boost RLX sales (nope - didn't happen).

But then again, I though Honda wanted low RLX sales; you know, for the exclusivity factor?

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The basic point is Honda quarterly earnings are 4 times larger than H/K group. and revenues are almost twice with market cap 3 times. so unless H/K group sell bargain basement products or deep discounts to higher value products. how can you say H/K group products are of higher value. how long you can continue with this joke?

Honda just release insight hybrid. It hasn't introduced Hybrids across SUV lineup on larger scale. Honda has much much higher go in earnings and market cap.

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^ We're not talking about H/K and Honda, but Genesis and Acura.

And the 2 major reasons why H/K earnings have been down has been due to the Chinese boycott and lack of CUVs (in addition to suppl) that fit the US market.

The Chinese boycott has been subsiding and H/K are in the midst of totally revamping their CUV line-up (started w/ the Kona and will continue w/ the new Santa Fe and the upcoming Palisdade, Telluride and new Soul w/ AWD).

But aside from light trucks, the real $$ in the automotive industry is in the luxury market (Audi and Porsche bringing in most of the profits for VW Group).

Last month, Kia sold more of the 3,3TT V6 Stinger in Australia (which is a much, much smaller market) than Acura did the RLX here.

Going forward, the prospects for Acura are more limited than for Genesis.

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yeah sure Acura has less prospects than Genesis when Genesis cannot even afford the freaking dealership network.
Honda electrification will have positive impact on Acura revamp. There is no Clarity counterpart in Acura yet.
Honda has airbag problem but still its profits are way more than H/K group.
Genesis brand is already flopped.
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yeah sure Acura has less prospects than Genesis when Genesis cannot even afford the freaking dealership network.
Honda electrification will have positive impact on Acura revamp. There is no Clarity counterpart in Acura yet.
Honda has airbag problem but still its profits are way more than H/K group.
Genesis brand is already flopped.
Do they really need a dealership network separate from Hyundai? Seems like an unnecessary expenditure.
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yeah sure Acura has less prospects than Genesis when Genesis cannot even afford the freaking dealership network.
Honda electrification will have positive impact on Acura revamp. There is no Clarity counterpart in Acura yet.
Honda has airbag problem but still its profits are way more than H/K group.
Genesis brand is already flopped.
Do you know anything about the auto industry?

Auto manufacturers don't pay to build out a dealership network, other privates businesses do.

In fact, many large dealership groups own franchises from numerous brands (have seen a good # own both a Hyundai and Honda and/or Acura franchise or a Kia and Nissan or Toyota in addition to numerous other brands).

A separate Genesis dealership network is in the works.

There has been a delay b/c there was major push-back from dealership groups that own Hyundai franchises as the vast majority would have been excluded from getting a Genesis franchise (only about 80 of them getting awarded a Genesis store, with another 20 coming from dealership groups new to Hyundai/Genesis).

Under the revised plan (due to state franchise laws), all dealership groups owning a Hyundai store will have an opportunity to get a Genesis store - as long as they are capable and willing to meet the build-out requirements (which is around $10 million).

$10 million is a pretty hefty amount, but Genesis is requiring such a strenuous build-out req. as a means of cutting down on the # of dealership groups going ahead w/ a Genesis franchise.

The Genesis build-out req. is far more strenuous than what Acura had required at its beginning stages, which was pretty modest.

Did you forget this article?

http://www.autonews.com/article/2011...-bargain-birth

Lexus, which arrived in 1990, left Acura in the dust as Toyota poured far more resources into its luxury-brand project.

But Acura was the trailblazer.Once Acura was launched with a complete field organization, it still kept its lean structure. Acura had been on the market for three years in 1989, while Toyota was still in the launch phase for its rival Lexus brand.

Yet Lexus already had more employees."We didn't have a blank check to do it," Taylor said.

Maybe it was Lexus' depth of resources. Maybe it was Toyota's decision to go to the top of the luxury ladder, unlike Acura's more modest aspirations.

But Acura quickly found itself passed by its Japanese rival.As Acura lost its customer-service crown to Lexus' no-expense-spared effort, its product vision wandered with the Vigor sedan that debuted in the early 1990s.

Then the Japanese bubble burst, a global recession hit, the dollar swooned against the yen. Honda Motor, it seemed, was paying less attention to its America-only luxury brand.
"It was designed to be an intercept brand, to capture owners of Japanese products before they moved up to BMW and Mercedes," Elliott said.
Not only did Acura keep things lean on the corporate side, Acura dealerships weren't as luxurious or offered the amenities that Lexus dealerships offered.

As for electrification, who isn't doing that?

If anything, Hyundai is ahead of Honda when it comes to BEVs and Genesis has under development 2 BEV platforms.

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I don't know what you mean by luxurious dealership. Luxury for my book mean good location and quick turn around time. Acura in far better situation than Lexus.
Unless you can prove Lexus dealers located in better location than Acura and there turn around time of service faster.
Acura constantly improving dealership.
https://www.oaklandacura.com/new-oak...a-facility.htm

Untill this point all your replies worthless as H/K group profits are far lower than Honda and H/K group does not have that deep R&D of Honda like NSX.
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Over the past month, Genesis sales totaled 796 vehicles, the first time the brand’s sales have dipped below 1,000 units per month. On the surface, then, the two-year-old company seems to be struggling. Over the past six months, the Korean automaker’s sales figures have dropped over 50% year-over-year.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX View Post
I don't know what you mean by luxurious dealership. Luxury for my book mean good location and quick turn around time. Acura in far better situation than Lexus.
Unless you can prove Lexus dealers located in better location than Acura and there turn around time of service faster.
Acura constantly improving dealership.
https://www.oaklandacura.com/new-oak...a-facility.htm

Untill this point all your replies worthless as H/K group profits are far lower than Honda and H/K group does not have that deep R&D of Honda like NSX.
No wonder.... you dont even know what luxury is.... Jiffy Lube must be as luxurious get it gets
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Hyundai Motor's market cap hits 8-year low
SEOUL, July 5 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's top automaker Hyundai Motor Co. has seen its market capitalization touch an eight-year low as slumping global sales pound its share price, data showed Thursday.

Shares of Hyundai Motor closed at 119,500 won (US$107) on Wednesday, the lowest closing price since April 19, 2010, according to the data from the Korea Exchange.

Hyundai Motor's market cap stood at 26.9 trillion won ($24.1 billion), ranking sixth among the companies traded on South Korea's main stock market.
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Why are you so obsessed with Hyundai?

Even if Hyundai fails 1 day, what does that have to do with Acura?
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8 years ago (July 13, 2010), HMC (Honda Motor Co., Ltd.) stock price closed at $30.36.

HMC stock price today? $29.28
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Over the past month, Genesis sales totaled 796 vehicles, the first time the brand’s sales have dipped below 1,000 units per month. On the surface, then, the two-year-old company seems to be struggling. Over the past six months, the Korean automaker’s sales figures have dropped over 50% year-over-year.
Did you even other to read the (entire) article, much less others which have addressed this point?

Genesis has stopped shipping 2018MY G80s and G90s (none left in port) so that there will be a minimal # of 2018's on the lots when the 2019MY start arriving.
So dealerships will have to make do w/ the supply they have on hand to last them thru the next 2-3 months (in conjunction w/ this, Genesis has also cut back on incentives).



Note what Sofyan says at 20.22 (esp, at 21:08) about the Japanese competition.


And Alex at the 26:02 mark.

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