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I'm surprised they are still likely to do another year with 150k sales to be honest...given most, if not all of their cars made their debut back in around 2013 +/- 1 year. FMC can't come soon enough for most of these cars.
I'm surprised they are still likely to do another year with 150k sales to be honest...given most, if not all of their cars made their debut back in around 2013 +/- 1 year. FMC can't come soon enough for most of these cars.
Unfortunately, there seems to be very little evidence that any FMC is happening soon. Since the RLX and TLX just got their MMC, they'll probably be around for a long time still. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any ILX mules yet either.
The good? It wasn't a sequential monthly decline like it has been for the past 4 months. Sales are higher than in Aug. 2017.
The bad? It's still less than it was a year ago. But can anyone say they're not not surprised?
Acura sales rose slightly in September, continuing a steady pace driven by the on-going strength of the Acura MDX and RDX and supplemented by continued recent gains by Acura's gateway sedan, the ILX, which has performed well above the industry in the segment.
How is the ILX performing "well above the industry in the segment" ?
I see that ILX sales for Sep. 2017 are higher than they were for Sep. 2016, but compared to others in the segment, it's still less.... not "well above."
Unless they're comparing ILX sales to the Buick Verano. But that car's being discontinued this year, so not exactly a fair comparison. And when compared to the Volvo S60, the ILX only sold 131 units more. How is that "well above"?
Sep. 2016 vs Sep. 2017
Acura ILX : 916 --> 1,222 (+ 33.41%)
Audi A3 : 2209 --> 1,929 (- 12.68%)
Buick Verano : 3,929 --> 98 (- 97.51%)
Mercedes CLA : 1,845 --> 2,034 (+ 10.24%)
Volvo S60 = 889 --> 1,091 (+ 22.72%)
Even when you look at YTD (Jan - Sep) 2017 sales, the ILX is still trailing the others in the segment, except again for the discontinued Buick Verano.
Unfortunately, there seems to be very little evidence that any FMC is happening soon. Since the RLX and TLX just got their MMC, they'll probably be around for a long time still. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any ILX mules yet either.
I'd imagine spy photos for the next gen ILX will be coming soon. At least this time it will be on a good platform.
Originally Posted by AZuser
The good? It wasn't a sequential monthly decline like it has been for the past 4 months. Sales are higher than in Aug. 2017.
The bad? It's still less than it was a year ago. But can anyone say they're not not surprised?
I know both the TLX and A4 didn't have much incentive going on, but still, I'd have expected the A4 sales to be higher given it's the newest car in the segment that is very competitive.
The Lexus IS and Caddy ATS are falling hard as well. These are the most fun to drive cars in this segment, granted also some of the older ones along with the TLX.
Audi's sales issue is not the product itself. It is their programs whether it is leasing or financing (discounts)
They have their own rationale about why they dont want to compete with Benz and BMW on sales #, because they could double their sales # overnight if they chose to. But only they know why they keep offering shitty programs, even to their own employees.
Civic leads strong month for Honda car sales, setting new October record with 15 percent gain
All-new 2018 Accord helps America's best-selling midsize car to strong month
Honda Pilot gains 18.5 percent, supported by increased production volume
Acura MDX has strong month with sales of 5,287 based on increased production
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today reported October sales of 127,353 Honda and Acura vehicles, an increase of 0.9 percent vs. October 2016. With strong sales of passenger cars, Honda Division reported an increase of 1.2 percent on sales of 114,655. Acura Division sales were down slightly at 1.3 percent on sales of 12,698 vehicles.
Honda
Honda delivered another strong month with passenger car sales playing the lead role. Civic outpaced the market again with another double-digit gain while Accord, strengthened by the debut of the all-new 2018 model, gained 4.7 percent in October. Increased production of Pilot also paid dividends as sales climbed 18.5 percent for the month. Elsewhere in the truck lineup, tight supplies of key model trims checked sales growth.
Honda car sales gained 6.3 percent in October, with 60,283 units sold.
Civic sales climbed 15 percent on sales of 30,319 for the month, a new October record.
Accord posted 26,740 sales, up 4.7 percent with the debut of the all-new 2018 model, with 2.0T and Hybrid variants yet to launch.
Pilot sales gained notably in October for the second straight month, with sales up 18.5 percent on sales of 10,285.
"With key competitors resorting to aggressive discounting and heavy incentives even on new models, Honda is riding the growing momentum of a robust product lineup boosted by the all-new Accord," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president of the Automobile Division of American Honda. "As the rollout of the new 2018 Accord continues, we're focused on a strong finish to 2017 and a 4th consecutive year of record sales."
Acura
Acura sales were led by MDX, which gained again as it benefitted from higher production volume with the complete shift of production to the East Liberty Plant in Ohio. And while sedan and RDX sales were challenged by the aggressive incentives by competitors, the NSX had its best sales month since going on sale in 2016 with a 30 percent gain in October.
MDX sales were up 4.7 percent in October, with 5,287 units sold.
RLX sales are climbing, helped more significantly by the RLX Sport Hybrid as it continues to gain recognition. RLX gained 6.5 percent on sales of 99 units.
ILX sales were up 2.6 percent on sales of 1,025 vehicles.
"We're pleased to see the higher inventory from the move of Acura MDX production quickly result in stronger sales," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of the Acura division. "With the redesigned RLX ready to hit the market in the coming days sporting a strong expression of the new Acura design direction, we'll look to close 2017 with stronger sedan sales."
Haha I'd say, not as bad as others. These sedans aren't doing well. I'm somewhat surprised by the huge drop of the A4, IS, and 3 series. I know the IS and 3 series are getting old but wow, the drop still seems quite significant.
3 series sales are stolen by 4 series... especially the GC. I see more GC than coupe.
and also with the way BMW whoring out models, all it does is re-distribute the sales #s with all the other BS models.
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New Sales Records Set as Honda and Acura Make Substantial Gains in November
Dec 1, 2017 - TORRANCE, Calif.
Total American Honda sales rise 8.3% for a new November record; trucks also set record with 14.9% gain
Honda Division sets new November sales mark, gaining 8.2%
Honda Trucks have best-ever November sales with 15.8% increase
Honda Civic nets new November record as sales jump 23.2%
Honda Pilot with increased supply smashes previous November best with 57.2% gain
Acura Division sales rise a robust 9.5% for the month, as both cars & trucks gain
Acura RDX gets new record with all-time best November
Acura TLX sales climb 12.4% in November
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today reported November sales of 133,166 Honda and Acura vehicles, an increase of 8.3 percent over November 2016 and a new November record for the company. Honda Division reported an increase of 8.2 percent on total sales of 120,440 for a best-ever November, with cars 0.9 percent on sales of 57,459, and Honda trucks up 15.8 percent on sales of 62,981 for yet another new record. Acura Division sales climbed 9.5 percent in November, with cars gaining 11 percent on sales of 3,600 and trucks rising 8.9 percent on sales of 9,116 units
Honda
With major competitors clinging to heavy incentives and financing deals to compete, Honda Division gained again in November with a balanced portfolio of strong-performing vehicles. Civic and CR-V each gained more than 23 percent, while Pilot jumped 57.2 percent as higher production volume continues to improve model availability. Accord sales remained strong at nearly 23,000 units, even as supplies of the all-new 2018 model continue to ramp up and reach dealerships nationwide. The all-new Accord received numerous accolades earlier in the week at the 2017 Los Angeles Auto Show, securing a spot on Car and Driver magazine's 10Best list an unprecedented 32nd time, as well as being named a finalist for the 2017 North American Car of the Year award.
Honda brand sales gained 8.2 percent on sales of 120,440 units for a new November record.
Honda trucks also set a new record, rising 15.8 percent on sales of 62,981
Motor Trend magazine's SUV of the year, the CR-V recorded a 25 percent gain on sales of 32,206 vehicles.
Civic also gained substantially, setting a new November sales record of 31,181 vehicles, up 23.2 percent for the month.
With production of an entire assembly line now dedicated to Pilot, the mid-size SUV broke through with a 57.2 percent leap on sales of 14,189, also a new November mark.
"We remain committed to our long-term strategic plans built around steady and sustainable growth," said Henio Arcangeli, Jr., senior vice president of the Automobile Division & general manager of Honda Sales. "Honda is committed to competing with a focus on creating value for the customer through outstanding products and sales practices that protect the investment they make in the Honda brand."
Acura
Rising across virtually the entire lineup, Acura sales gained a solid 9.5 percent in November. MDX sales were up substantially with the move to the East Liberty, Ohio plant alongside stablemate RDX. NSX made big strides, while TLX gained 12.4 percent over November 2016.
MDX sales gained 15.6 percent for the month, with 5,341 units sold.
RDX set a new November record, rising 0.7 percent on sales of 3,775 vehicles.
NSX notched sales of 83 units, a gain of 62.7 percent over November 2016.
TLX sales were up 12.4 percent on sales of 2,564 in November.
"The Acura brand continued its market resurgence at a steady pace benefitting from product, marketing and sales efforts, all aligned behind our Precision Crafted Performance brand direction," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of Acura Sales. "Our focus for the remainder of the year is to continue to build momentum we can take into 2018."
this probably biggest Honda dealer in SF bayarea with 600 Honda in Stock but they have only 7 Clarity and 6 of them just showed up as Plug-In which will be the most popular model. https://www.andersonhonda.com/searchnew.aspx
there is tremendous increase in Pilot inventory. its third row is spacious than Highlander.
What's causing that whooping jump in Pilot sales ?
They finally have enough supply on the ground with the MDX leaving Alabama for East Liberty.
And there is a $359/$389 lease on EX-L FWD/AWD. I'm pretty sure this is the first national lease deal for the Pilot since the G3 went on sale two years ago.
American Honda Sets 3rd Straight Annual Sales Record with Best-Ever December
Jan 3, 2018 - TORRANCE, Calif.
American Honda breaks all-time annual record for total Honda and Acura vehicle sales with 1,641,429 units in 2017, a gain of 0.2%
New light truck annual sales mark set for Honda and Acura combined, rising 3.3%
Honda Division sets 4th consecutive annual sales record, up 0.7% on sales of 1,486,827 in 2017 with all-time sales marks for Civic, CR-V and HR-V
Honda trucks achieve best month ever (up 3.4%) and annual (up 4.1%) sales
Acura RDX tops 50,000 units in sales for the third year in a row
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. (AHM) today reported its 3rd consecutive all-time annual sales record on sales of 1,641,429 Honda and Acura vehicles in 2017, an increase of 0.2 percent over its previous best set in 2016. AHM also set new annual and monthly sales records for light trucks, recording 840,450 sales in 2017 for a 3.3 percent gain, and 86,740 sales in December, rising 1.4 percent. The Honda Division also reported record annual sales, gaining 0.7 percent on total vehicle sales of 1,486,827while Honda trucks set new December and annual records, rising 3.4 percent on December sales of 75,856 and 4.1 percent on 2017 sales of 734,269. Total Acura Division sales declined 12.2 percent in December on sales of 15,062, and 4.2 percent in 2017 on total vehicle sales of 154,602.
Honda
With 8 completely new or refreshed models in 2017, including a new generation of electrified vehicles, the Honda brand continued its commitment to strengthening passenger car light truck sales by leveraging its North American production operations to attract a record number of customers for the 4th consecutive year. Honda's effort to better leverage its North America production operations to grow light truck sales continued to pay dividends:
Newly dedicating a production line in Honda's Alabama to Pilot in October helped the three-row SUV to December sales of 18,602, a jump of 54 percent.
CR-V, built at three plants in North America, also posted strong December sales of 36,983 units, to set a new annual sales mark of 377,895 as Honda's best-selling model.
HR-V set a new annual record as well, topping last year's mark by 14.6 percent on sales of 94,034 for the year.
Honda also maintained its unique commitment to passenger car and strong retail sales leadership:
Civic continued its record run with sales of 31,406 units in December on the way to a new all-time annual sales mark of 377,286 units.
The all-new 2018 Accord continued to show strength in the incentive-heavy mid-size segment, as the 2.0 turbo model began to hit showrooms – triggering the full marketing launch set to begin in January. Overall, Accord topped 320,000 sales in 2017.
Sales of the all-new Honda Clarity series of electrified vehicles reached a major milestone with December sales of more than 1,400 units signaling Honda's effort to take electrification mainstream, led by the launch of the all-new 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-in Hybrid in all 50 states.
Overall, Honda Division set the following sales records:
Total vehicles, best ever annual sales – 1,486,827
Trucks, best ever monthly sales – 75,856
Trucks, best ever annual sales – 734,269
"2017 was a terrific year for the Honda brand with the continued fortification of our light truck and passenger car lineups, and a new generation of electrified vehicles combining to reach a record number of new customers for a 4th consecutive year," said Henio Arcangeli, Jr., senior vice president of the Automobile Division & general manager of Honda Sales. "8 all-new or refreshed product launches is an impressive achievement for any car company, but it put us in a strong, competitive position to maintain our unique commitment to retail sales to individual buyers."
Acura
Acura recorded its best sales month in 2017 in December, showing a positive trend with sales increasing over the last 3 months of the year. In addition to strong truck sales for RDX and MDX, sedan sales showed promise with TLX topping 3,000 sales in December.
RDX ended 2017 with 51,295 sales for the year, the only vehicle in the fast-growing entry luxury SUV segment with 3 consecutive years above 50,000 units in sales – a critical foundation for the all-new RDX Prototype that will make its world debut the North American International Auto Show this month.
"The continued strength of the RDX is a great foundation for the next-generation RDX we will debut to the world in prototype form in Detroit later this month," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of Acura Sales. "This is the first in a new generation of Acura products based on our Precision Crafted Performance brand direction and we're pleased to reach this moment with growing momentum for the Acura brand."
welcome back.
CDX sales are now 2K per month. Chinese TLX-L has been launched. now RDX and CDX hybrid is coming. Honda has outstanding technology in hybrid. Fit and Grace hybrid already popular in Asia. they need SUV hybrids.
??Acura?????? CDX 12???????198% | ???? Currently, GAC Acura already has a rich product lineup: GAC Acura's first domestic strategic model CDX, the second domestic models ALL NEW TLX-L, the most Acura brand new generation of NSX, the flagship SUV models MDX SPORT HYBRID and medium Urban high-end SUV models RDX. In 2018, GAC Acura will also launch a hybrid version of CDX, as well as the domestic new RDX.
^ Well, he's good at posting totally irrelevant stuff.
Note how he only posts about the China market (where Honda is doing well) and avoiding the EU market (where Honda is not doing so well).
It's just the Honda badged products did well in 2017, on the Acura front, they sold just 15k cars in China all of last year, and about 13k of those were CDXs. (American Honda needs to sell the CDX here, it's ridiculous that they don't take any advantage of the hottest segment in the automotive market at the moment)
Things will be slightly improved though as the new RDX and TLXL will be locally assembled so the prices will drop significantly.
It's just the Honda badged products did well in 2017, on the Acura front, they sold just 15k cars in China all of last year, and about 13k of those were CDXs. (American Honda needs to sell the CDX here, it's ridiculous that they don't take any advantage of the hottest segment in the automotive market at the moment)
On the Acura (USA) front, did he ever bother to post in the thread about Acura's abysmal ranking in Consumer Report's Owner Satisfaction Survey? (Don't think he did.)
And to top it off, the ILX finished dead last.
The Acura ILX is a swing and a miss, in both CR testing and when judged by owners. It falls 10 percentage points below the Mercedes-Benz CLA in the same category, itself a disappointing entry. Across all car types, the ILX has the lowest satisfaction, followed closely by the Dodge Dart and Jeep Compass. The ILX was challenged from the start as a pricey, dressed-up Honda Civic. Acura made several key updates for the 2016 model year, but even when looking at ratings on just those freshened sedans, they are no different than older model years.
Owners say: “Lacks acceleration, noisy, poor quality paint, shaky ride... very expensive for the poor quality offered.”
“It shifts too soon into higher gear, making acceleration feel sluggish unless under hard acceleration.”
“Road noise is very pronounced. I will be trading the ILX in as soon as I can on something quieter.”
^ Well, he's good at posting totally irrelevant stuff.
Note how he only posts about the China market (where Honda is doing well) and avoiding the EU market (where Honda is not doing so well).
Honda is waiting for electrification of vehicles. EU especially UK has recently raised MOT on diesels. new Honda CRV will have no diesel. As long as China and US market profitable for Honda. It can easily come back in EU.
I was in Tischer Acura in Laurel MD yesterday picking up some "O" rings (power steering pump), the building was entirely new. I was very impressed, it copuld have been a MB, BMW, Audi, or Lexus dealership.
Very nice appointments and construction quality and materials, heck even the bathroom looked like it belongs in a Westin.
Acura West in MD also rebuilt their dealership building recently, I'll have to stop by and take a look.
Although Acura's sedans are not great at least their dealerships are improving.
10-03-2017, 11:50 AM
Oct 2017
6 cars not sold in the US, not even remotely related.
Remodeling going on at the local dealer to me as well. Been a few years since I've been in there, though.