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The very fact that the ECO trim (a trim developed for fuel economy and hence, shod w/ tires that don't grip) is quicker than the base TLX should be beyond embarrassing.
Sonata is unrefined junk with no gripy tires. it cannot sustain high speeds.
Aside from the Stinger GT2 simply destroying the A-Spec in all manners of acceleration (mind you, that's for a vehicle that weighs over 4k lbs -
Don't embrass yourself by comparing Non Turbo car with Turbo having summer performance tires. We already the weak performance of Hyundai SUVs compared to Honda Pilot.
0-60 (4.4s vs. 5.7s)
50-70 (3.2s vs. 4.1)
1/4 mile (12.9s vs. 14.2s)
The GT2 also takes corners at higher Gs (0.93 vs. 0.86).
Again comparing Turbo with Non turbo. Put all season wide tires on Stinger and see how it behave. but you too stupid to do proper comparision.
Not Kia's problem that Honda either didn't think the A-Spec warranted summer performance tires or were too cheap to do so (you don't see the Germans cheaping out on tires, esp. for their top trims); plus, the Stinger would be even better on taking turns if it had wider wheels up front.
And when the Stinger gets the 2.5T (which will replace the 2.0T) and the new 10 spd AT, the base engine will be faster than the A-Spec.
TLX is not design for performance. that's why it does not have summer tire option like Honda Civic.
It's not just winding down models, but relaunching the brand only at dealerships that will be getting a Genesis store (hence, they don't want too many leftover 2018MY around when they do so).
And even when an automaker is simply winding down an old model, sales can get really low - see Audi w/ sales of the A6 (157 - hey, that's RLX territory!) and A8 (34).
It is just excuse. No one stop them by supplying to existing dealers to get as much sales possible. if you don't supply and wait for separate dealer you are going to lose sales anyway.
Doesn't matter; point remains that Honda is not a major player in India.
Honda is 3rd largest by quantity and 2nd largest by revenue and that without Honda Civic and Honda CRV and no hybrids.
https://www.financialexpress.com/ind...egment/564593/ Honda has given the City the needed dose of refinement, but these improvements come at a price, making it one of the most expensive cars in its segment.
But, even at such prices, the City can prove to be a sensible buy, considering the fact that it enjoys good resale value, is an aspirational car, and its brand value is still the best in the segment
Didn't forget - just chose not to do so; just as I didn't list every country where H/K do well (like Vietnam, Australia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Israel, etc.).
None of this changes the fact that Honda is overly reliant on the US, Japan and China markets.
Honda is least reliant on US as it has factories in Canada that will be exporting to EU. It has factories in Latin America. It is practically self sufficient in North American R&D and production. and despite such vast industrial operation it has the 5 times larger profits than Hyundai group.
And yet, the Highlander outsells the Pilot.
Toyota outsells Honda in rental fleet. and Pilot don't have a hybrid.
And none of that matters when I was simply pointed out that the Pilot out-drabsthe Highlander (which isn't anything special to look at to begin w/).
Pilot and like Odyssey gained considerable ground of Toyota products despite no rental or hybrids or AWD flexibility in every trim.
Gee, can't imagine what you come back w/ when the Palisade and Telluride have not only a more spacious, but more premium interiors.
No one takes Hyundai SUV seriously for premium features. they are decades behind in refinement, performance, AWD technology. Acura MDX even with skinny all season tires can pull 0.87G. Honda Pilot can pull 0.84gs.
And why do you have an incessant need to repeatedly post pics of Honda/Acura products?
because you cannot understand without big picture in your face.
Not all.
The 5 Series is up over 14% YTD; Q50 only down 2.9% YTD; A5 up 77.6%, E Class/CLS up nearly 5%; Panamera up 49%; etc.
Even w/ declining car sales, BMW and MB still sell a lot of 3/4 Series, C Class, 5 Series and E Class.
They all losing money. free maintaince, big lease incentives.
Lexus sold 1,500 more of the ES, alone, than did Acura for its entire car lineup.
It has 4 cylinder hybrid option and rental fleet. it is not performance sedan like TLX.
Civic Type R that is hatch(aerodynamic hinderance). it can touch 180mph from 300bhp. imagine if Honda put 500bhb 3.5L engine in Sedan. it will be over 300mph.
And don't know what you're talking about w/ respect to the 2.0T Accord and Stinger.
C/D has the Accord governor limited to 126 mph and the 2.0T AWD Stinger governor limited to 132 mph.
Does it really matter on American roads? Btw, C/D has the top speed for the 2.0T Optima SX at 153 mph.
Accord much faster and fuel efficient, more spacious, pull higher Gs, quieter than all they Hyundai group sedan crap which has never been tested to those speeds.
And sorry, in all likelihood, the GT2 (much less the G70) is more stable at high speeds than the A-Spec.
likely hood? that's why Honda Civic Type R breaks all the records of handing. which manufacturer can make more stable cars?. look at SUV Gs. you have no evidence just babbling.
Not simply my opinion; but based on what the automotive reviewers/publications have stated about the 2.
It is paid adverstizement from Hyundai. nothing has been tested or proven.
https://www.motor1.com/news/258414/c...storil-record/ The Type R is very stable and has very good braking efficiency and an amazing engine so it just feels like you are driving a race car – on the track it’s easy to forget that it’s a proper road car, but then you can drive it home."
The new record at Estoril is the fourth front-wheel-drive lap record set by Honda in 2018 – the Type R has also claimed record times at Silverstone, Spa-Francorchamps, and Hungaroring. So far in 2018, Honda has exceeded the times it set at all of these circuits back in 2016 when it made a similar campaign with the previous version of the Type R.
As stated, reviewers like Alex on Autos, Redline Reviews and Matt Maran have all stated that if they were going to get a 4-door for their own personal ride, it would be the Stinger (and not the Accord, much less the TLX).
These are all talking heads. not some test drivers in various elevations. this stinger will go into dustbin as the rest like K900, Cadenza went away.
And you're simply being delusional if you think a FWD sedan is as fun to drive as a RWD one (even an AWD sedan, whether it be FWD-transverse or longitudinal based is not as fun as a RWD one, just based on physics and the placement of the motor up front - forward to the front axle).
yup. it is Honda that is hiring left over designers from stale Germanic brands.
Wait, so tires are now suddenly important?
Well, how do you explain the Sonata ECO being quicker than the 2.4 TLX when it basically is shod w/ hybrid spec tires? lol
It is light weight but once higher speeds it lose all speed advantage. Don't be so dense. I cannot repeat same thing again and again. Accord FWD can pull 0.90gs on touring tires.
Oh, please - it wasn't that long ago that Hyundai had the highest margins in the industry next to BMW.
Honda did well this past Q due to cost cutting.
Hyundai is spending is a lot of $$ on new products - which has lowered their profits, but will pay off down the road.
Wrong again - due to CO2 and displacement taxes - the Stinger is pretty pricey.
And funny, seem to recall that the pricing of the TLX is right about where the Stinger starts and the TLX doesn't go nearly as high as the Stinger ($44.8k vs. $51.4k for the Stinger).
And how long have they had to put in hybrid powertrains? lol
And it's not like hybrids were that popular in the EU; diesel or small displacement petrol powertrains dominated, altho hybrids are now starting to gain more traction as diesels have fallen out of favor.
Funny how Mazda does pretty well in the EU w/o hybrids.
Excuses, excuses - there's no reason why Acura shouldn't be in the EU when they were the 1st Japanese premium brand.
1st off, why doesn't Honda invest more in Acura?
2nd, let's look at specific segments where the 2 compete (tho, many will say Acura doesn't really compete head to head w/ Audi).
ILX - 6,400 YTD
A3 - 11,742
And that's despite the A3 being more expensive (which holds true across the board).
TLX - 18,936
A4 - 19,244
So the TLX can't even outsell the A4, even when the A5 Sportback steals a good # of A4 sales.
RLX - 1,070
A6 - 5,533
And that's despite A6 supply constrained as it's turnover to the new model (last year the A6 had sold over 9k thru July).
And when it comes to car sales, Audi pales in comparison to MB and BMW, so Acura would be even more so (notwithstanding that Acura sedans get more compared to Buicks - the Regal, LaCrosse and departed Verano than the RWD Germans).[/QUOTE]
The very fact that the ECO trim (a trim developed for fuel economy and hence, shod w/ tires that don't grip) is quicker than the base TLX should be beyond embarrassing.
Sonata is unrefined junk with no gripy tires. it cannot sustain high speeds.
Aside from the Stinger GT2 simply destroying the A-Spec in all manners of acceleration (mind you, that's for a vehicle that weighs over 4k lbs -
Don't embrass yourself by comparing Non Turbo car with Turbo having summer performance tires. We already the weak performance of Hyundai SUVs compared to Honda Pilot.
0-60 (4.4s vs. 5.7s)
50-70 (3.2s vs. 4.1)
1/4 mile (12.9s vs. 14.2s)
The GT2 also takes corners at higher Gs (0.93 vs. 0.86).
Again comparing Turbo with Non turbo. Put all season wide tires on Stinger and see how it behave. but you too stupid to do proper comparision.
Not Kia's problem that Honda either didn't think the A-Spec warranted summer performance tires or were too cheap to do so (you don't see the Germans cheaping out on tires, esp. for their top trims); plus, the Stinger would be even better on taking turns if it had wider wheels up front.
And when the Stinger gets the 2.5T (which will replace the 2.0T) and the new 10 spd AT, the base engine will be faster than the A-Spec.
TLX is not design for performance. that's why it does not have summer tire option like Honda Civic.
It's not just winding down models, but relaunching the brand only at dealerships that will be getting a Genesis store (hence, they don't want too many leftover 2018MY around when they do so).
And even when an automaker is simply winding down an old model, sales can get really low - see Audi w/ sales of the A6 (157 - hey, that's RLX territory!) and A8 (34).
It is just excuse. No one stop them by supplying to existing dealers to get as much sales possible. if you don't supply and wait for separate dealer you are going to lose sales anyway.
Doesn't matter; point remains that Honda is not a major player in India.
Honda is 3rd largest by quantity and 2nd largest by revenue and that without Honda Civic and Honda CRV and no hybrids.
https://www.financialexpress.com/ind...egment/564593/ Honda has given the City the needed dose of refinement, but these improvements come at a price, making it one of the most expensive cars in its segment.
But, even at such prices, the City can prove to be a sensible buy, considering the fact that it enjoys good resale value, is an aspirational car, and its brand value is still the best in the segment
Didn't forget - just chose not to do so; just as I didn't list every country where H/K do well (like Vietnam, Australia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Israel, etc.).
None of this changes the fact that Honda is overly reliant on the US, Japan and China markets.
Honda is least reliant on US as it has factories in Canada that will be exporting to EU. It has factories in Latin America. It is practically self sufficient in North American R&D and production. and despite such vast industrial operation it has the 5 times larger profits than Hyundai group.
And yet, the Highlander outsells the Pilot.
Toyota outsells Honda in rental fleet. and Pilot don't have a hybrid.
And none of that matters when I was simply pointed out that the Pilot out-drabsthe Highlander (which isn't anything special to look at to begin w/).
Pilot and like Odyssey gained considerable ground of Toyota products despite no rental or hybrids or AWD flexibility in every trim.
Gee, can't imagine what you come back w/ when the Palisade and Telluride have not only a more spacious, but more premium interiors.
No one takes Hyundai SUV seriously for premium features. they are decades behind in refinement, performance, AWD technology. Acura MDX even with skinny all season tires can pull 0.87G. Honda Pilot can pull 0.84gs.
And why do you have an incessant need to repeatedly post pics of Honda/Acura products?
because you cannot understand without big picture in your face.
Not all.
The 5 Series is up over 14% YTD; Q50 only down 2.9% YTD; A5 up 77.6%, E Class/CLS up nearly 5%; Panamera up 49%; etc.
Even w/ declining car sales, BMW and MB still sell a lot of 3/4 Series, C Class, 5 Series and E Class.
They all losing money. free maintaince, big lease incentives.
Lexus sold 1,500 more of the ES, alone, than did Acura for its entire car lineup.
It has 4 cylinder hybrid option and rental fleet. it is not performance sedan like TLX.
Civic Type R that is hatch(aerodynamic hinderance). it can touch 180mph from 300bhp. imagine if Honda put 500bhb 3.5L engine in Sedan. it will be over 300mph.
And don't know what you're talking about w/ respect to the 2.0T Accord and Stinger.
C/D has the Accord governor limited to 126 mph and the 2.0T AWD Stinger governor limited to 132 mph.
Does it really matter on American roads? Btw, C/D has the top speed for the 2.0T Optima SX at 153 mph.
Accord much faster and fuel efficient, more spacious, pull higher Gs, quieter than all they Hyundai group sedan crap which has never been tested to those speeds.
And sorry, in all likelihood, the GT2 (much less the G70) is more stable at high speeds than the A-Spec.
likely hood? that's why Honda Civic Type R breaks all the records of handing. which manufacturer can make more stable cars?. look at SUV Gs. you have no evidence just babbling.
Not simply my opinion; but based on what the automotive reviewers/publications have stated about the 2.
It is paid adverstizement from Hyundai. nothing has been tested or proven.
https://www.motor1.com/news/258414/c...storil-record/ The Type R is very stable and has very good braking efficiency and an amazing engine so it just feels like you are driving a race car – on the track it’s easy to forget that it’s a proper road car, but then you can drive it home."
The new record at Estoril is the fourth front-wheel-drive lap record set by Honda in 2018 – the Type R has also claimed record times at Silverstone, Spa-Francorchamps, and Hungaroring. So far in 2018, Honda has exceeded the times it set at all of these circuits back in 2016 when it made a similar campaign with the previous version of the Type R.
As stated, reviewers like Alex on Autos, Redline Reviews and Matt Maran have all stated that if they were going to get a 4-door for their own personal ride, it would be the Stinger (and not the Accord, much less the TLX).
These are all talking heads. not some test drivers in various elevations. this stinger will go into dustbin as the rest like K900, Cadenza went away.
And you're simply being delusional if you think a FWD sedan is as fun to drive as a RWD one (even an AWD sedan, whether it be FWD-transverse or longitudinal based is not as fun as a RWD one, just based on physics and the placement of the motor up front - forward to the front axle).
yup. it is Honda that is hiring left over designers from stale Germanic brands.
Wait, so tires are now suddenly important?
Well, how do you explain the Sonata ECO being quicker than the 2.4 TLX when it basically is shod w/ hybrid spec tires? lol
It is light weight but once higher speeds it lose all speed advantage. Don't be so dense. I cannot repeat same thing again and again. Accord FWD can pull 0.90gs on touring tires.
Oh, please - it wasn't that long ago that Hyundai had the highest margins in the industry next to BMW.
Highest margin? where that stupid claims comes from?
Honda did well this past Q due to cost cutting.
Honda and Cost cutting?. Are you serious. Honda has the highest new technology introduction.
CVT diesel heavier car beat MT diesel. honda is implementing deep effective technological implementation from the smallest car.
https://www.carwale.com/marutisuzuki...e-diesel-amtx/ To give you a perspective, despite testing the Amaze in wet conditions, 0-100kmph took a quicker 12.71 seconds unlike the Dzire’s 13.14 seconds (dry conditions).
Hyundai is spending is a lot of $$ on new products - which has lowered their profits, but will pay off down the road.
It will never payoff down the road. korea domestic population is aging. and Chinese have bough European brands. it will have much faster downfall than Samsung at hands of Chinese brands or European brands control by Chinese.
Wrong again - due to CO2 and displacement taxes - the Stinger is pretty pricey.
And funny, seem to recall that the pricing of the TLX is right about where the Stinger starts and the TLX doesn't go nearly as high as the Stinger ($44.8k vs. $51.4k for the Stinger).
TLX is not turbo engine car. so price cannot much higher and is US domestic content.
And how long have they had to put in hybrid powertrains? lol
And it's not like hybrids were that popular in the EU; diesel or small displacement petrol powertrains dominated, altho hybrids are now starting to gain more traction as diesels have fallen out of favor.
seem how much you out of touch in reality with EU. diesel are getting phased out.
[quote] https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/09...ly-in-germany/ In the first 4 months of 2018, the proportion of new German SUV registrations dropped almost in half from where it was before DieselGate and the impending bans on older diesels in some cities, like Hamburg. The dramatic decline was documented by a study conducted at the Center for Automotive Research (CAR) located in the University of Duisburg-Essen./quote]
Death of diesel? New car sales down 6% in the first half of 2018 while diesel registrations plummet by almost a third in June
Funny how Mazda does pretty well in the EU w/o hybrids.
Excuses, excuses - there's no reason why Acura shouldn't be in the EU when they were the 1st Japanese premium brand.
Acura is brand for US. There is no Accord in EU or Pilot or Odyssey. so?
1st off, why doesn't Honda invest more in Acura?
Invest. Acura will not branch into useless segments that it has give free maintainance or too much incentive to sell. Acura will not get devalued like BMW or others.
2nd, let's look at specific segments where the 2 compete (tho, many will say Acura doesn't really compete head to head w/ Audi).
ILX - 6,400 YTD
A3 - 11,742
And that's despite the A3 being more expensive (which holds true across the board).
A3 is not expensive on monthly payments. and it has more options like AWD.
TLX - 18,936
A4 - 19,244
So the TLX can't even outsell the A4, even when the A5 Sportback steals a good # of A4 sales.
RLX - 1,070
A6 - 5,533
Selling is not measure of brand success. that mistake you make again and again. Honda R&D is more effectively employed that you cannot see it.
And that's despite A6 supply constrained as it's turnover to the new model (last year the A6 had sold over 9k thru July).
And when it comes to car sales, Audi pales in comparison to MB and BMW, so Acura would be even more so (notwithstanding that Acura sedans get more compared to Buicks - the Regal, LaCrosse and departed Verano than the RWD Germans).
I can assure you if new A6 is introduced it wont lift Audi profits much. infact they will have to deal with more Traffis and incentives.
"4 distinct driving modes, dynamic handling, quicker shifts make every car a performance car. This is the ultra responsive Acura TLX. And this is how we make it."
"4 distinct driving modes, dynamic handling, quicker shifts make every car a performance car. This is the ultra responsive Acura TLX. And this is how we make it."
G90 bargain basement price, RWD, V8 is not helping as it goes into 2nd year.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
I can guarantee you no facelift of G90 will preent its sales decline. despite at home free maintainance. Genesis is worthless brand. that have to give free maintaince.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
your G90 sales are falling apart in its second year. it is the sign of worthless brand.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Hyundai Motor America Reports June 2018 Sales | Markets Insider
Monthly drill for Yeh.
G90 sales are now approaching RLX. G80 has greatest collapse in its segment.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
The basic point. G90 and G80 has completely flopped in 3rd year of there sales. much deeper than RLX/TLX.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Over the past month, Genesis sales totaled 796 vehicles, the first time the brand’s sales have dipped below 1,000 units per month. On the surface, then, the two-year-old company seems to be struggling. Over the past six months, the Korean automaker’s sales figures have dropped over 50% year-over-year.
That Sales pointing is for Hyundai and other unreliable brands like BMW. They need to keep sales high to pay for those 10 years warranties, free maintaince and subsidized sales.
That Sales pointing is for Hyundai and other unreliable brands like BMW. They need to keep sales high to pay for those 10 years warranties, free maintaince and subsidized sales.
Right, because Honda and Acura would prefer to make fewer sales. Unlike every other company on earth, Honda and Acura do not measure success through sales levels.
That Sales pointing is for Hyundai and other unreliable brands like BMW. They need to keep sales high to pay for those 10 years warranties, free maintaince and subsidized sales.
Have you ever considered that if what you always talk about Hyundai/Kia and BMW was true, they would have both ceased to exist at least a decade ago, each? And yet... they're all still around. All building exciting cars (well at least some). They're still selling units and making money and keeping shareholders generally happy.
Every company has its ups and downs. Global companies like auto manufacturers get hit by forces that our sometimes out of their control, like government (tariffs, restrictions, etc), or Mother Nature (tsunamis, earthquakes, etc), or supplier issues (there is a new article in the Honda twchnology development thread where Honda admits to NEEDING to rely on 3rd party developed systems and parts suppliers and that they no longer can do everything in house by themselves anymore because R&D is too expensive.)
Hyundai, nor Kia, nor BMW are immune from these global factors. Neither is Acura or Honda. Each of these brands has had its ups and downs since the turn of the millennium, yet they're all still moving forwards. Neither Honda nor Acura are gaining any notable market share these days. That means they're not overtaking anyone. Which means customers make decisions with their wallets and they obviously don't agree with what you suggest about any of these brands.
Acura is only now coming out of its decade of darkness. Customers voted with their wallets and Acura sales plummeted after the 3G TL. However, Acura has a chance to come back now, and maybe gain an incremental amount of market share. The 3G RDX is seemingly a good success design and performance wise, however, its reliability is abysmal, as predicted by many that it would be. Look at this ONE user who bought a new 3G RDX:
Major Issues:
Lane Keep Assist sways from side to side in the lane
Road Departure Mitigation is dangerously buggy - system has twice tried to make a hard turn when passing a highway exit (and NOT indicating to exit) - had to be fought to stay on the road.
A seal has failed - there is wind noise inside the car at anything above 25 mph.
Automatic high-beams sometimes do not dip for approaching vehicle.
Drivers side rear door sporadically remain locked, even after all other doors unlock (and yes, the childlock switch is unlocked)
Transmission is extremely jerky/touchy in comfort mode when shifting from 2nd to 3rd
Suspension seems to change daily - we have a speed bump on our street - have driven over it at the same speed daily and sometimes it is rock hard, other times the car bounces 2 or 3 times.
Minor Issues:
HUD has flickered a couple of times - and turned off and stayed off for a day (multiple trips) - came back the next day
Hands-free trunk access works about half the time.
Cellphone reception is greatly reduced in the car compared to our other cars - much more frequent dropouts
'System Error - Function Not Available’ message pops up intermittently when trying to change channels using the left hand dial control on the wheel.
Swiping on the trackpad is inconsistent - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t
Absolutely unacceptable. Acura used to be a company that was highly regarded for their reliable engineering prowess. Now they're worse than much of the competition (as also confirmed by the many reliability reports.) Acura's and Honda's poor reliability is hurting them- it's what they built their name on and they are failing. Look at the 3G RDX "Problems and Fixes" section- its FULL of countless problems people are having with their brand new vehicles that at most are only 2.5 months old.
Also, if Honda and Acura were that good, every other manufacturer would be trying to poach members of their team for their own companies. And yet no one takes anyone from Honda or Acura. If these companies were needing a desperate way to survive, you don't think they'd drop a cool few million on scoring someone "amazing" from Honda or Acura? And you don't think that person would go? There's no such thing as company loyalty any more.
I've read some pretty asinine stuff from you, but the dumbest I've read to date is when you stated a 300hp civic can hit 180mph (actual top posted speed is 176mph by the way), therefore a 500hp Honda could hit 300mph. This is literally the dumbest statement I have ever watch you state, for so many reasons it hurts my head. By the way, the NSX puts out 573hp and is limited to 191mph because Honda/Acura aren't confident in the aerodynamics of the car (the car could likely use more downforce at those speeds, of which it has no large downforce generating pieces... if I'm not mistaken, the oem carbon fiber body kit is for looks only, not much in terms of performance.) The transmission isn't even geared to be able to hit 250mph, nevermind 300mph. Literally it is impossible for a car of that weight and power to even hit 250mph. Sorry, but Honda nor Acura are able to manipulate physics. Their engineers are no more brilliant than any other manufacturer's engineers, and to date no one is seemingly able to bend physics.
That Sales pointing is for Hyundai and other unreliable brands like BMW. They need to keep sales high to pay for those 10 years warranties, free maintenance and subsidized sales.
All this talk about warranties and maintenance programs cracks me up - considering that Honda in Australia has a 5 yr warranty (same as Hyundai).
But, Honda has lengthened that warranty to 7 years in promotional specials.
And let's not forget, Toyota has a 2 yr maintenance program for the USDM; wonder 3what the resident troll is going to say about that (considering that Toyota has the dominant position among mainstream import brands).
And if the resident troll knew anything beyond superficial tripe, he would know that Genesis halted shipments of the G80 and G90 over 3 months ago.
This was done in preparation for the launch of the G70 (which was scheduled for April.May) where Genesis wanted minimal # of '18MY around when the G70, shortly followed by the '19MY G80 and G90 hit the lots (at the select dealerships which were supposed to get a Genesis store).
But the launch of the G70 (as well as the sale of the '19MY G80 and G90) were all pushed back due to Genesis having to rip up their plan for 100 or so Genesis dealerships due to pushback from the dealer groups that were left out (under the new plan Genesis has opened up the opportunity to get a Genesis store to every dealer group that is a Hyundai franchisee, as long as they meet stringent build-out reqs.).
So, w/ the delay in sale of the '19MY and the halt in shipments of the '18MY, Genesis USA had to plan to stretch out what supply they did have on hand - which meant no need for support (no advertising and cutting back on incentives).
The delay hasn't been good as it meant not only low G80 and G90 sales (w/o the delay, the '19MY would be on the lots right now; Canada has been selling 2019 models), but there have been buyers waiting for the G70 who got tired of waiting (still no time-table as to when sales will start) or couldn't wait any longer (due to an expiring lease) and moved on and purchased something else.
– Gear failure could result in transmission lockup, which could result in a crash.10.) Passenger Frontal Air Bag Inflator May Rupture (issued November 2014, June 2015, May 2016). Models affected: 2002 – 2004. Campaign #14V700000, 15V370000, 16V344000 – An inflator rupture may result in metal fragments striking the vehicle occupants resulting in serious injury or death.
11.) Driver’s Frontal Air Bag May Rupture (issued May 2015). Models affected: 2002 – 2004. Campaign #15V320000
– An inflator rupture may result in metal fragments striking the vehicle occupants resulting in serious injury or death.
12.) Improperly Installed Passenger Air Bag (issued April 2018). Models affected: 2002 – 2004. Campaign #18V268000
– An incorrectly installed air bag may deploy improperly in the event of a crash, increasing the risk of injury.
4.) Frontal Air Bag Impact System (issued August 2005). Models affected: 2005. Campaign #05V344000– Front impact sensor failure could cause a delay in, or loss of, frontal air bag deployment, which can increase the risk of injury in a frontal crash. 5.) Fuel Pump Relay (issued March 2007). Models affected: 2005. Campaign #07V097000
6.) Front Brake Hoses (issued February 2009). Models affected: 2009. Campaign #09V057000– Drivers would not be aware of brake system failure and braking capability would not be possible, increasing the risk of a crash. 7.) Power Liftgate Systems (issued February 2010). Models affected: 2005. Campaign #10V055000
8.) SOFT BRAKE PEDAL/BRAKING PERFORMANCE (issued March 2010). Models affected: 2007 – 2008. Campaign #10V098000– If the owner does not have any brake service or maintenance performed over a period of months or years, the system can continue to accumulate enough air to affect braking performance, increasing the risk of a crash. 9.) Brake Master Cylinder (issued October 2010). Models affected: 2005 – 2007. Campaign #10V504000
– A leak of brake fluid could lead to a degradation in braking performance.
10.) Power Liftgate Gas Struts (issued February 2012). Models affected: 2008 – 2009. Campaign #12V062000
– Struts with diminished performance can increase the risk of personal injury.
11.) Brakes may Unexpectedly Apply (issued November 2013). Models affected: 2007 – 2008. Campaign #13V500000– The vehicle may suddenly and unexpectedly brake hard, and without illuminating the brake lights, increasing the risk of a crash from behind. 12.) Fuel Pump Cover may Crack and Leak Fuel (issued March 2014). Models affected: 2005 – 2010. Campaign #14V112000
– A fuel leak increases the risk of a fire.
13.) Aftermarket Fuel Pump may give False Fuel Readings (issued July 2014). Models affected: 2005 – 2010. Campaign #14E049000
3.) Front Suspension Damper Bolt (issued December 2011). Models affected: 2012. Campaign #11V602000– If the nut loosens, the front hub assembly would only be attached by one bolt, resulting in a loss of steering, increasing the risk of a crash. 4.) Driver’s Airbag Module may be Missing Rivets (issued January 2013). Models affected: 2011 – 2013. Campaign #13V016000– The absence of more than one rivet could alter the performance of the driver’s airbag during deployment. This could potentially increase the risk of injury during a crash. 5.) Premature Engine Piston Wear (issued August 2013). Models affected: 2013. Campaign #13V382000
6.) Passenger’s Side Curtain Air Bag may not Deploy (issued April 2014). Models affected: 2014. Campaign #14V175000
7.) Fuel Tank May Have Insufficient Welds (issued June 2016). Models affected: 2015 – 2016. Campaign #16V417000
– A fuel leak in the presence of an ignition source may result in a fire.
8.) Second Row Outboard Seats may Stay Unlocked (issued December 2016). Models affected: 2011 – 2016. Campaign #16V933000
– An unlocked second-row outboard seat increases the risk of injury to the seat occupant during a crash.
9.) Seat Adjuster may Stick Unlocked (issued December 2016). Models affected: 2016. Campaign #16V932000
10.) Brake Shift Interlock (issued December 2016). Models affected: 2012 – 2013. Campaign #13V143000– If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. 11.) Second Row Seats may Tip Forward when Braking (issued November 2017). Models affected: 2011 – 2017. Campaign #17V725000
– If the seat tips forward during braking, it can increase the risk of injury.
12.) Second Row Seats may Tip Forward when Braking (issued November 2017). Models affected: 2011 – 2017. Campaign #17V725000
13.) Walk-In Seatbacks May Stay Unlatched (issued March 2018). Models affected: 2014 – 2016. Campaign #18V170000
– An unlocked second row left outboard seatback increases the risk of injury to the seat occupant during a crash.2018+ Honda Odyssey Recalls
1.) Third Row Center Seat Belt may not Latch (issued June 2017). Models affected: 2018. Campaign #17V397000
– If in the event of a crash, the seat belt cannot restrain the occupant they have an increased risk of being injured.
All this talk about warranties and maintenance programs cracks me up - considering that Honda in Australia has a 5 yr warranty (same as Hyundai).
But, Honda has lengthened that warranty to 7 years in promotional specials.
And let's not forget, Toyota has a 2 yr maintenance program for the USDM; wonder 3what the resident troll is going to say about that (considering that Toyota has the dominant position among mainstream import brands).
And if the resident troll knew anything beyond superficial tripe, he would know that Genesis halted shipments of the G80 and G90 over 3 months ago.
This was done in preparation for the launch of the G70 (which was scheduled for April.May) where Genesis wanted minimal # of '18MY around when the G70, shortly followed by the '19MY G80 and G90 hit the lots (at the select dealerships which were supposed to get a Genesis store).
But the launch of the G70 (as well as the sale of the '19MY G80 and G90) were all pushed back due to Genesis having to rip up their plan for 100 or so Genesis dealerships due to pushback from the dealer groups that were left out (under the new plan Genesis has opened up the opportunity to get a Genesis store to every dealer group that is a Hyundai franchisee, as long as they meet stringent build-out reqs.).
So, w/ the delay in sale of the '19MY and the halt in shipments of the '18MY, Genesis USA had to plan to stretch out what supply they did have on hand - which meant no need for support (no advertising and cutting back on incentives).
The delay hasn't been good as it meant not only low G80 and G90 sales (w/o the delay, the '19MY would be on the lots right now; Canada has been selling 2019 models), but there have been buyers waiting for the G70 who got tired of waiting (still no time-table as to when sales will start) or couldn't wait any longer (due to an expiring lease) and moved on and purchased something else.
Honda are imported to Australia and the way Asian currencies behaving Honda can afford to put the extended warranty part of price of the car. In US the labor is expensive so they charge extra for warranties but it does not mean they are going to be used like other manufacturers. that's why despite Honda lower sales the profits are huge.
Honda is selling extended warranty for $200 in Philpines.
Honda are imported to Australia and the way Asian currencies behaving Honda can afford to put the extended warranty part of price of the car. In US the labor is expensive so they charge extra for warranties but it does not mean they are going to be used like other manufacturers. that's why despite Honda lower sales the profits are huge.
Honda is selling extended warranty for $200 in Philpines.
they replaced a person less than year. Honda rarely replace heads even with slow sales as they don't care about sales.
All Honda cars sell in U.S. have 4 wheels. All Hyundai cars sell in U.S. have 4 wheels. That why Honda better.
American Honda Reports August Sales Increase as Trucks Smash Previous Records
Sep 4, 2018
Three-peat for the 2019 Acura RDX – 5,793 units sold in August yield third-consecutive monthly sales record
Honda Pilot sales continue to skyrocket in August with 60% gain – heading to all-time annual record
Honda’s electrified vehicles score all-time best sales month with 5,884 units sold
Acura sales jump 14.8% in August, as light truck sales surge to record heights
"Leveraging our manufacturing flexibility to increase our light truck supply continues to pay off for us," said Henio Arcangeli Jr., senior vice president of the American Honda Automobile Division. "The Acura RDX and MDX combined forces to deliver the best August of all time for Acura light trucks. RDX also continued its strong sales pace, achieving a third consecutive month of record sales since hitting the market in June." "For Honda, Pilot benefited from increased light truck production and recorded a 60 percent increase in year-over-year sales," added Arcangeli.
HONDA
Sales Highlights
While supply constraints on select models restrained passenger car sales, Honda’s light truck portfolio lead the charge by way of the refreshed 2019 Pilot, segment-leading Odyssey minivan and always hot-selling CR-V.
Riding a wave of rapidly growing popularity, Pilot sales jumped 60% on 15,332 units – up 41.3 percent for the year toward an all-time record.
CR-V delivered again in August with sales of 34,610 units, an increase of 11.8%, on track to set a new annual sales mark.
Electrified vehicles sales topped 5,000 units for the 2nd straight month, with Accord Hybrid, Insight, and Clarity Plug-in Hybrid setting a best-ever month.
The #1 retail-selling minivan, Odyssey gained 13.5% on sales of 9,887 units.
ACURA
Sales Highlights
Acura brand sales gained sharply in August, up 14.8% as light trucks set an all-time sales mark for August.
It’s three in a row for RDX, with sales totaling 5,793 for the month — a new August record.
Fresh off an update for the 2019 model year, including the addition of a new A-Spec package, MDX jumped 38% on sales of 6,252 units.
RLX has surpassed Genesis G90 sales. what a embrassment in 2nd year of sale. but we will hear same excuses of production, dealership constraints. but not blaming the idiots who cannot see it.
Yet there’s more evidence the trend isn’t headed in the right direction. Average transaction prices rose across the industry by around 2 percent in August from a year earlier, with Toyota’s climbing 2.3 percent and Honda’s 4.2 percent, according to Cox Automotive. But SUV prices were flat, especially for smaller models. As competition piles up, incentives will only increase in this segment.
RLX has surpassed Genesis G90 sales. what a embrassment in 2nd year of sale. but we will hear same excuses of production, dealership constraints. but not blaming the idiots who cannot see it.
Toyota 4Runner with sales approaching entire Acura brand use 20 year old technology. that's they direction Acura needs to go. there is no place for sedans.
RLX has surpassed Genesis G90 sales. what a embrassment in 2nd year of sale. but we will hear same excuses of production, dealership constraints. but not blaming the idiots who cannot see it.
Congrats!
All it took was for Genesis to stop shipping G90's (and G80's) back in March/April, as the '19MY were supposed to launch along w/ the G70, but due to hold-up on getting regulatory approval in a # of states, dealerships have had to make due w/ the current inventory w/ no TV advertising or financial help from Genesis.
And oh, thought that the RLX competed w/ the G80 and not the G90?
Even w/ the hold-up/delay, the G80 still handily outsells the RLX.
Sure, tell Acura to build 4Runner competitors and we will see how fast Acura dies.
The name 4 Runner is probably worth more than Acura if you dont know what i was trying to say.
Its not just 6 cylinder 4Runner but Lexus GX competitor also. combined sales are about 15000 a month in US alone. and it will open Acura brand internationally.
why on earth will some one leave such $45k to $70k market with rock solid resale values so easily can be leased. unlike competing against unreliable crap of of worthless brands that no one want to buy in used car market.
Acura also lacking smaller SUV than RDX and another full size SUV that can compete with Infiniti QX , MB GLS, Lexus LX. so atleast 4 more SUVs are needed.
Its not just 6 cylinder 4Runner but Lexus GX competitor also. combined sales are about 15000 a month in US alone. and it will open Acura brand internationally.
why on earth will some one leave such $45k to $70k market with rock solid resale values so easily can be leased. unlike competing against unreliable crap of of worthless brands that no one want to buy in used car market.
Acura also lacking smaller SUV than RDX and another full size SUV that can compete with Infiniti QX , MB GLS, Lexus LX. so atleast 4 more SUVs are needed.
1. Acura is not Lexus or Toyota
2. Whatever Acura comes up with is NOT 4Runner.
3. Acura is lacking a lot of shit..... first they Don't EVEN have a proper engine to put into the full size SUV if they built one...
4. Remember, just because Toyota can build something successfully, it does not mean Honda/Acura could - see Prius and all Hybrid.
now new excuse is regulatory approval. how many excuses left after 8 years of sub par revenues and profits? and huge Idle capacity in China.
It's not an excuse, it's reality (something you have little grasp of).
That's why the G70 has not launched yet in the US when Canada has been selling it for months.
The latest word is that the G70 will likely hit the lots sometime this month (in the states where regulatory approval has been acquired and at the dealerships which have been awarded a Genesis franchise), so that means the '19MY G80's and G90's should be hitting the lots around that time as well and the G90 (not to mention the G80) will be outselling the RLX as per the norm.
Even w/ the delay and Genesis having stopped shipments months ago, the G90 still has outsold the RLX YTD (1,869 to 1,253). So sad.
What's even sadder is that the new K900 (in Korea) has sold about as many RLX's in ONE month than what the RLX is on track to do for the entire year here.
Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Honda are imported to Australia and the way Asian currencies behaving Honda can afford to put the extended warranty part of price of the car. In US the labor is expensive so they charge extra for warranties but it does not mean they are going to be used like other manufacturers. that's why despite Honda lower sales the profits are huge.
Right...
Must be why Toyota and Nissan (which also import to Australia) haven't followed suit.
Also, labor (comparatively) is more expensive in Australia,
1. Acura is not Lexus or Toyota
2. Whatever Acura comes up with is NOT 4Runner.
3. Acura is lacking a lot of shit..... first they Don't EVEN have a proper engine to put into the full size SUV if they built one...
4. Remember, just because Toyota can build something successfully, it does not mean Honda/Acura could - see Prius and all Hybrid.
If anything, Hyundai and Kia will have a 4Runner type competitor before Honda.
Apparently, H/K are working on a platform to underpin both a pick-up and BoF SUV (they want in on some of that Toyota Hilux action).
1. Acura is not Lexus or Toyota
2. Whatever Acura comes up with is NOT 4Runner.
3. Acura is lacking a lot of shit..... first they Don't EVEN have a proper engine to put into the full size SUV if they built one...
4. Remember, just because Toyota can build something successfully, it does not mean Honda/Acura could - see Prius and all Hybrid.
the 4Runner also has how many decades of proven success, history and brand cache.
yeah, I’m sure Acura will come out the gates swinging with whatever they build as a 4Runner competitor
The 4runner half sells simply due to its name. Acura can’t touch that with a fifty foot pole.
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