hideous

 

It's working for Lexus with the CT, why not for Acura?

 

 

i know we both know its hideous but its totally within the realm of possibility too

 

We've known that the next all new car would be the Sub-TSX, and our new entry level car, but this is the first time I've heard that it might be a coupe. We've also known that this will be offered in gas and hybrid trim for some time now but both would be available.

There was a good chance we'll also see a manual as a sedan but I'd imagine it's guaranteed if this turns out to be a coupe.

I had been speculating that it might be on the Fit/Jazz/CR-Z chassis, but someone else on TOV is suggesting not so we'll have to wait to see which plank they use.

 

Well at some point the Acura Civic errrrr Acura EL would come to the USA.

 

just in case anyone doesnt know what the man speaks of:
oh yeah this is not photoshot either:



you like that blatant rebadging? yeah you fucking do. you like it alot.

 

Laziest transformation into an Acura evar.

 

you better not be talkin about my acura cr-z sport luxury hybrid man. I put alotta work into that ooo

 

No need to post this...the EL is common knowledge around here.

 

there is the off chance that one guy had no idea. I like to think i helped that one guy. There was really no harm in it though, was there?

Two different people define common knowledge as two different things.

 

So common that you would have known its now called a CSX. Get it right.

 

Acura just have to rename this CSX as RSX, and job done !

 

Regardless, we've heard that its not going to be a rebadge. They have already shown unique styling to dealer principals. BTW, let me say that I fully expect most here to hate the car. You're all past where this car is aimed. It's supposed to be an entry level car, in short, where the majority of 'older' Hondaphiles were 10-15 years ago.

 

its "cool" to hate Acura now.

Everyone here is smug and stuck up their own ass unless we are talking about a volkswagen GTI, a mazda, or an M3.

Of course were gonna hate it

 

And don't forget that I have kids who I would love to put into a Honda in the not too distant future. Just because I've grown past this type of car doesn't mean I'm no longer in the market.

Still not buying the 'not a re badge' story. No doubt it will have unique styling but I also don't have any doubt it will be a Civic underneath. Isn't that still a re badge? TBD I know...

As long as its a good looking well performing car it doesn't matter. But I doubt it will be very unique under its skin. Again, that doesn't have to be turned into a negative.

 

I was referring to the OG Acura Civic.

 

I guess it depends on how you define the term 'rebadge'. I define a rebadge as the same car with a different grill, bumpers and lights (ie. sheetmetal and glass don't change). IOW, a CSX/EL is a rebadge of a Civic, the RSX/Integra wasn't.

 

Which is now a CSX. The EL died in 05.

 

well..that would be true if you don't count the Integra...Legend....NSX...RSX....and TSX....

 

 

I heard at the dealership that the new sub-TSX looks like an Infiniti G-series. It will most likely have a honda engine : )

 

Ya, I guess I wouldn't consider an RSX or Integra a re badge.

 

I don't know what you're getting at.

 

+1 it seems to be the standard operating procedure.
I'm just hoping for something new to come from Acura that's as nice as the 3G TL. Many (most?) folks here would still bitch and moan about something like the font on the instruments and switches

 

Yea, I wouldn't consider an Integra a rebadge since the monicker was the same; however, I'd be inclined to call the RSX a re-badge since it was still known as an Integra in Japan.

Now the RL and first gen TSX, well I think we're all on the same page about those.

 

We wouldn't bitch if Honda/Acura finally decided to make something that we wanted that could compete with Infiniti, BMW, Merc and Audi in terms of performance and styling. This isn't to say that Acura is doing eveyrthing wrong, they just certainly aren't doing enough that is right in our opinion. Especially considering they started off as one of the best luxury/sport "rebranded" manufacturers on the scene and most of us don't consider them to be in that category any longer because they wanted to rest on their laurels while Infiniti basically took their business philosophy and surpassed them in no time.

Please stop thinking that us OG folks are against Acura because that is far from the case. We WANT something from them that when compared to other manufacturers cars, we can feel confident in the purchase without second guessing our purchases because of pricing, included options, reliability (yes that is a concern due to the amount of recalls Honda and Acura have had int he last 7 years). We bitch because we keep asking and they haven't yet delivered.

Until many of you go back and read the last 7 or 8 years worth of threads detailing our opinions, thoughts, disappointment, desires, y'all can suck it.

 

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It's not fun to bash on Honda/Acura constantly, over and over. Wouldn't you think that it just gets old? Almost all of us here are current/former Acura owners. Most of us have pleasant memories and experiences with Honda Motor Co. and not unexpectedly, we have high expectations for them.

Honda has made several innovations, particularly with technological features on Acura's behalf. But when it comes to powertrain advances, they have been slouching. Even Hyundai is leapfrogging Acura in that area, despite Honda's reputation and Hyundai's prior reputation (or lack thereof) in that department.

I don't expect to be surprised by this car at all, though it would be nice if they could surprise me. I have a feeling it will just be a FWD 4-cylinder entry level luxury-priced hybrid. Sound familiar? My prediction is this is going to be Acura's version of the HS250h - just with IMA and potentially a manual transmission as an option


What was the last thing Acura did that made you go "WOW!"? be honest. And by wow, I mean good things, not like the cancellation of the rumored NSX successor.

 

I might have been tighter in my personal definition since I forgot about the TSX. Since that car was not sold in North America as an Accord, it is definitely a re-badge is the strictest sense. But it did bring a different car to the NA market which was a good thing according to most. So in the case of the RSX, would we rather not have had them just because they used a different moniker in a different market?

So maybe a re-badge in the worst sense is the EL/Civic in which both cars are sold side by side in the same market (such as Cimmeron/Firenza/Skyhawk/Cavalier/J2000).

 

Honestly, if you venture out of the model specific sub-forums, everyone on car talk and automotive news really makes it feel like people are jerking off to the thought of getting the chance of posting another negative Acura comment.

I am at least glad i am not the only one who has noticed it.

 

to Sly and Costco. There is a very simple reason why many on this site and several other sites are no longer impressed with what Acura is offering these days. To blame that on anyone other than Honda/Acura is misguided and takes any accountability away from Honda. Have many of us grown away from Acura? Sure. But theres no doubt there's a lot to desired in their lineup right now especially when it comes to anything even remotely sporty.

 

Keep in mind that just about everyone here us an automotive enthusiast. Which means they're into cars that are fun and fast. When the last time Honda/Acura released something that met that criteria or stirs the soul?

It's a small but vocal segment of the population.

Reminds me. Back in 97 when I was buying I test drive a GS-R, Type-R and Prelude all in the same day. What selection.

 

And don't forget about the Civic Coupe, Accord Coupe, Del Sol, CL and NSX. AND no one single SUV to call our own (ok there was the CR-V). IMO, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction with too many SUVs and not enough coupes, but SUVs continue to sell well so who can categorically say that it's not the right strategy for the company.

To be fair, all the sports coupes of the 90's were dieing or on their last legs, including the 300ZX, Supra, MR-2, RX-7(8), MX-6, Firebird, 3000 GT, Corrado, 240 SX and probably more. So yes, everybody was shedding coupes like there was no tomorrow.

IMO, the sport coupes were doomed back then as soon as pickups started getting useable back seats and SUVs rose to prominence. I literally had dozens of Integra customers who switched to those 'sport pickups' back then. Suddenly driving alone in a huge 7 passenger SUV became the equivalent of 'impractically' and a ass-backwards status symbol (much like a 2 seat sports car was for an earlier gen).

So yes, I see that it's time for a new generation of sporty vehicle since these things seem to go in (product?) cycles. Personally, I hope they don't resurrect the RSX nameplate. Insurance companies tend to use nameplates and past claims history when assigning risk rates to a new car and I'd like to see this car get off to a clean start.

 

In addition, it is also more financial economical to derive the coupes from their 4-door sedan brothers, rather than having to keep a dedicated coupe-specific model line.

For example, Accord coupe from Accord sedan, Altima coupe from Altima sedan, etc.

 

Of course people in the model specific forums are positive, I'd think most new cars generally don't have many problems. Plus, who isn't happy about a new car, specifically one that they wanted? Most people who don't like the car they have don't keep it for long and thus don't care to stick around the forum, thus the negativity is usually absent.

I admit I can be a little harsh but I don't enjoy bashing on any car company, Honda or otherwise. I'm happy to see more companies doing well or introducing interesting models because in the end us consumers benefit out of increased competition. I don't see how anyone can derive pleasure from bashing a car manufacturer, though I can see why they would gush over and over about their own car. I just think it's silly when they put the blinders on.



I can't speak for anyone else, but that's my I don't care what brand it is, I can love their entire lineup one moment and then at the drop of a hat, rage at whatever they have in the pipeline.

 

Its just my from reading these forums, honestly sometimes seems like people are just doing it to "fit in". Don't forget criteria are subjective too. The hive-mind is a powerful thing

 

You're right, but a lot of these coupes are coming back in full force. I don't think it's a stretch to call the new Mustang and Camaro sports coupes, Nissan's got the Z and the G, Toyota/Subaru has their FT-86. And Mazda should be coming out with a new RX once their current design language fades out in a couple of years.

Basically every automaker that shelled out an affordable sports car back in the '90s has a new one out today or is clearly in the process of releasing one. All we've heard from Honda for years is a bunch of stuff that's never come to fruition.

When was the last time they released a significant performance technology? SH-AWD, which debuted in the 2005 Acura RL, 7 years ago.

 

I would say if Acura bring Euro Accord 2.0. It will be cheaper by $3k/200 lbs lighter and 20% more fuel efficient. There is no point in creating complicated hybrid like HS250 that cost close to $40k

 

Not to mention that Audi and BMW are all catching up now with their own versions of torque-vectoring AWD. Acura (ADVANCE), please think of something newer and more advance to stay ahead of the auto technology game.

I won't mind seeing a 350hp 3.2L-V6 DI DOHC or a 400hp 3.7L-V6 DI DOHC engine.

 

Is that the North American Acura TSX but with a 2L ?