fsttyms1

Id take that bet as well. And double the wager.

jnc2000

Someone needs to make this happen.

Yumcha

Look, everyone...save an elite couple...and they are elite...knows that the RLX is not going to compete with the M5 for performance.

I wish I was more elite.

AZuser

To be fair, SSFTSX wasn't comparing 1/4 mile times. He was talking about 0-100 mph times.

The RLX does 0-100 mph in 14.3 seconds.

The M5 does 0-100 mph in 8.3 seconds.

So what SSFTSX is saying is that if you put 245 tires on an M5, they'll cause the M5's 0-100 mph time to drop by over 6 seconds, thereby giving the FWD RLX the win.

Come to think of it, that scenario is even more preposterous than your 1/4 mile or top gear (50-70 mph) race.



Can I get in on this bet too?

Yumcha

Told you already. You're not elite enough in your thinking. We're all going to be proven wrong and have to wear e-dunce hats. You watch.



Meanwhile, I already said I'm ordering some uber-custom Pirellis and challenging a McLaren F1 to a drag race. I bet my entire robot collection and my wife.

I fully expect to win. Who knew tires could increase performance 30000X.




I learn so much on the Internet.

oonowindoo

We should make it happen.

if SSFTXX loses, he has to remove the Acura emblems on his TSX and replace it with Hyundai.

Yumcha

He won't. And when he wins, he'll replace those emblems with the Ferrari logo.

AZuser

Yumcha

Okay, no more snarking...let's just say this: 6 seconds on a tire-swap (unless they are all flat and/or made of wood) is not happening ever in this reality.


So, please...put down the bong.

vybzkartel

How about he stop posting on Azine ever again, if he wins?!

oonowindoo

No. We want him here. Free Entertainment!

If he wins? If RLX can beat M5, that will be my next car!

ttribe

Should we be more specific as to the M5 to be raced, because I'm quite sure an RLX could beat an E39 with no motor in it.

oonowindoo

Nissan: Who needs Porsche when you can have GTR
Honda: Who needs M5 when you can have RLX

biker

Performance wise, at least the Nissan can compete.

oonowindoo

that is what i was trying to say.

fsttyms1

Hell, id even put snow tires on the M5 for this race

MuGen7Modulo

The real deal is out!
5 seconds flat.

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Fibonacci

I'm still a tad perplexed why Acura is going to two different transmissions for the TLX. If the RLX 7-spd DCT can handle the 3.5 power, then why can't the TLX? If the next "athletic" TLX won't offer a 6MT option, then a DCT would be a better option than a slusher.

fsttyms1

fsttyms1

Nothing special about that. That and no real design ques as to separate it from the base RLX fwd = Meh.. Oh and starting price of 60k No thanks.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

You call this real deal?

MuGen7Modulo

According to this site:

2014 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter Mile 13.6


So this is what RLX can have for "dinner":

2014 BMW 535i xDrive 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.7
2014 Audi A6 3.0T 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter Mile 13.7
2014 Mercedes E350 Sedan 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.3
2013 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport Package 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter Mile 13.8

And for sure will take on all with the driving dynamics of Honda technology.

ttribe

^^^Wait, you're celebrating over 1/10th of a second in most of those cases? Oh, wow. Do you understand the concept of "error margin"?

Ken1997TL

Well at least the RLX SH-AWD is in the same performance category as those. Now whats the price/value equation?

MuGen7Modulo

This site:
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Acura-0-60-mph-Times.html

Waiting for Jeff via TOV to do the dual video comparo with 5s.

phile

With the exception of the Mercedes, I wouldn't call beating all those cars by half a second as "having dinner" not to mention they all look better while being half seconds slower. I'm pretty sure most consumers wouldn't mind the tradeoff. Not to further mention you're comparing what is essentially the top performing model of the RLX vs the standard models for those competitors...the fact that Acura can deliver an higher performance RLX that performs better than the standard models of the competitor is not high praise.At.All.

fsttyms1

But that is on all seasons. Just think of what could happen with summer tires

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

This is like the most immature post I've ever seen on AZine ever.

Hapa DC5

You do remember odehboy don't you? Or invisible, or whatever other gem of society has wandered into this forum.

VR1

It might take the E350 "for dinner", but 0.2-0.3 isn't taking anything else "for dinner"

Acura made a car that's actually about as quick/slightly quicker as the competiton, good for them. I actually think the Sport Hybrid will be a decent car when compared to the 5/A6/G/E. But there's no need for the aggrandizement.

Crazy Bimmer

That interior is sexy. I do find the knob being on the dash a bit annoying though. Should be near the armrest IMO

Big improvement for Acura! Good job.

kurtatx

Not long ago everyone was convinced zero to sixty would take 8 seconds. If the RLX had a roundel on the hood, you would be saying "look it's faster than...", but because the car has a caliper on its grille, you're making a goofy margin of error argument.

ttribe

[sigh] No, I'm not and no, I wouldn't.

EhkoXC

The RLX's 7 DCT is purpose built for the Sport Hybrid application though. The third electric motor is part of the transmission, it wouldn't work in the TLX unless they did a Sport Hybrid version.

Unless you're talking about the 8 DCT for the TLX, then the best guess I have there is the torque converter that they're using to keep the transmission smooth at low speeds can't take the power the 3.5 would be putting out.

To be fair, the average person won't care about a DCT vs a regular auto given the way Honda's approached them. What they would care about is why their transmission is so jerky at low speeds (see customer satisfaction ratings for cars that have tradition DCTs in the US). I don't think anyone has found the "magic bullet" as far as DCTs are concerned, and I'm not sure they will for a while.

dom

It could do 0-60 in 2.3 and get 40MPG. It will still be pretty much irrelevant in the class.

phile

Who? The outgoing RL could do 0-60 in 6-7 seconds...why would anyone say 8 seconds for the new car?

Moog-Type-S

Anonymous, uninspired, boring.....looks like a 3 generations past Honda Accord design..........will make very few people interested.

Interior may be nice, and performance numbers may be some of Acura's best, but it's all wrapped in the most un-flavorful, no sugar added, vanilla you have ever "tasted".

Fibonacci

Acura sold a whopping 371 (PAWS) RLX's last month. How many Super Duper Sport Hybrids will they sell per month? 100?? Given the low volumes expected of the next, next, next... NSX. We're talking about a major investment in powertrain development for very, very, very low sales volumes.

Pardon my French, but don't you think that is fucking stupid? Even if your a full bore Honda hard-on fanboi (and I'm not accusing you of such), don't you agree that that is probably not a smartest move with your limited investment dollars?


That makes no sense, re-read what you just typed there. We're talking about your supposed high volume mid-range sedan here.


Big Fat Lazy Americans will just have to get used to something different than slushers that hold Big Gulps. We've got global warming to fix bishes!

EhkoXC

Appreciate the qualification there. I actually agree that they should put that system in every car they can. Market the shit out of it. By all accounts so far, it's a fantastic system, but it will never register with the car buying public if the minimum cost of entry is $60k. While the NSX is the halo car, they need to actually do something with that halo effect. Make an ILX Sport Hybrid, make a TLX version, hell make an MDX and RDX version too! Go nuts!

Never said it made sense, it's just what it is. From the Honda Tech showcase drive events that took place fairly recently, the 8 DCT has a limit below what the DI 3.5 will output (270 Nm). I can't find anything that says exactly why, but if I had to guess the Torque Converter is the culprit. So, in trying to solve one issue, they put a cap on the transmission.

Sadly, it's an education issue, people don't really really care if they have a standard auto, CVT or DCT, they just want the car to go. When the car is jerky at low speeds, they think the car is broken, not that the DCT is operating normally.

oonowindoo

yah like the type of people who buy RLX SHAWD actually care about 0 to 60.

useless performance