Acura: RLX News
03-10-2006, 10:15 PM
#1122
That's pretty funny, I wonder if they mentioned anything about the RL placing in their top 10 list a year ago.
Looks like Acura is inheriting the Euro dilemma - too many gizmos and it all comes tumbling down.
Looks like Acura is inheriting the Euro dilemma - too many gizmos and it all comes tumbling down.
03-10-2006, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by phile
That's pretty funny, I wonder if they mentioned anything about the RL placing in their top 10 list a year ago.
Looks like Acura is inheriting the Euro dilemma - too many gizmos and it all comes tumbling down.
Looks like Acura is inheriting the Euro dilemma - too many gizmos and it all comes tumbling down.
03-11-2006, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Sclass88
They did mention that it was on the 10Best last year. It just seems like that specific RL was a lemon. It's hard to base an entire model or brand off of one specific car.
but it still looks terrible for acura. could be the dealer though.
03-11-2006, 11:52 AM
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Anybody else find this funny? Also, maybe this will FORCE Acura into submitting to producing a product that won't live on being reliable. Maybe sporty, aggressively styled?
03-11-2006, 12:57 PM
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Our first scheduled service was at 7032 miles...We were back at the dealer two weeks and 1400 miles after our first scheduled service...Two thousand miles later, the sunroof quit a second time. The dealer blamed it on a loose electrical wire. A month and a half and 5000 miles laters, we were once again enhancing our budding relationship with the man from Acrua. This time the side-view mirrors and both power outlets weren't working.
Maybe we should have moved in with Mr. Acrua, because at just over 33,000 miles, the left rear headrest wouldn't stay up, the power outlets were once again on the blink, the driver's side washer-fluid nozzle needed realignment, and the [nav] system was rebooting itself while in use.
Maybe we should have moved in with Mr. Acrua, because at just over 33,000 miles, the left rear headrest wouldn't stay up, the power outlets were once again on the blink, the driver's side washer-fluid nozzle needed realignment, and the [nav] system was rebooting itself while in use.
Why don't they know how to spell Acura?
03-11-2006, 02:24 PM
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They did say it was one of the favorite cars for hwy trips though
03-11-2006, 05:41 PM
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Its a great car, but it also has far too many new gizmos that the Acura dealerships dont have any experience working with.
Partly why I went with a TL.
Partly why I went with a TL.
03-11-2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by huckleberry
well at least Sh-AWD seems to be working flawlessly considering how much effort Honda put into developing that thing and charges $$$ for it.
I actually heard of them having issues with SH-AWD. But they have been fixed by now.
03-11-2006, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by corey415
Actually if you read the whole article, not just what was quoted the review isn't actually too bad.
The car they received is a lemon. First year bugs too.
The car they received is a lemon. First year bugs too.
03-11-2006, 09:03 PM
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sad.
how is your dad's holdin' up?
how is your dad's holdin' up?
03-11-2006, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
sad.
how is your dad's holdin' up?
how is your dad's holdin' up?He doesnt have the 2nd gen RL. His is an 02.. besides warped rotors and the navi's control unit failing... it been great for 50k miles.
He just "talks" about getting the new RL. But no action yet.
03-11-2006, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
He doesnt have the 2nd gen RL. His is an 02.. besides warped rotors and the navi's control unit failing... it been great for 50k miles.
He just "talks" about getting the new RL. But no action yet.
He just "talks" about getting the new RL. But no action yet.
03-13-2006, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by huckleberry
well at least Sh-AWD seems to be working flawlessly considering how much effort Honda put into developing that thing and charges $$$ for it.
03-13-2006, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Isn't the RL made in Japan?
Hmm... do you think that myth that cars Made in Japan have bulletproof reliability might be tarnished due to this?
Hmm... do you think that myth that cars Made in Japan have bulletproof reliability might be tarnished due to this?
nah...it's already tarnished by the tranny issue.
03-13-2006, 04:54 PM
#1142
Originally Posted by mrdeeno
nah...it's already tarnished by the tranny issue.
03-13-2006, 05:30 PM
#1144
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Honda is still on a learning curve to build relatively-expensive luxury cars. Wait a couple more years.
03-13-2006, 06:44 PM
#1145
Originally Posted by GreenMonster
The 2nd gen CL and TL trannies were made in Japan and installed in Ohio...
03-13-2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 1killercls
I have concluded one thing from this thread...Acura has it's head up it's collective ass for not offering a v8 flagship..
06-12-2006, 03:39 PM
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Pic from the British International Motor Show courtesy of Topgear.com...
06-12-2006, 04:38 PM
#1148
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Honda is still on a learning curve to build relatively-expensive luxury cars. Wait a couple more years.
06-12-2006, 05:10 PM
#1149
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
The 2nd gen CL and TL trannies were made in Japan and installed in Ohio...
Quotes from EricL's analysis of the findings thread (Reference: https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104677) :
A switch was made from Japan supply parts to local parts in Apr 2000. A note about, “Local parts < Japan supply parts is noted on strength of return spring guide.
The clutch return spring guide deformation mechanism contains the following note: “If the clutch wear advances, the coned disk spring gets out of place and interference is thereby encountered between piston and hub and as a consequence, the guide is deformed.”
---snip---
A graph showing deformation vs. piston stroke for Japan and local (US) parts is shown. The Japan sourced part keeps its deformation under control with increasing piston stroke. The US sourced part causes the piston to go out of place.
The clutch return spring guide is considered to have deformed with the spring in compressed condition, and such deformation is secondary failure derived from clutch wear.
---snip---
Page 579:
“Changes in Manufacture (by FCC) of Third Clutch Pack”
Third clutch pack manufacturing (assembling location of FCC was changed from Japan to the US in April 2001, and localization of the parts colored in yellow in the time table on the right was started at the same time.
Changes in parts/manufacturing process related to third clutch pack thereafter
* Localization of GUIDE COMP in the US started in October 2001
* Disk bonding process transferred from FCC-Indiana to FCC-North Carolina in December 2001
---snip---
The specs between the US and Japan build trannies (new) are different – but is not explained in detail just yet. The table shows the new US trannies with average surface roughness in the 0.4 to 0.5x range vs. the Japan trannies with average roughness of close to 0.1. The peak roughness for US trannies was around 4.x with the Japan trannies having a value of 1.x. (There is a large difference in the surface properties between US and Japan trannies!!!!)...
“* Clutch plates made in US compared poorly with clutch plate made in Japan in both average surface roughness (Ra) and maximum surface roughness (Rmax)
...
EricL note: When I look at the returned graph of the US plate, the surface roughness looks BAAADD. The Japan plate has an even level of “grit” when compared to the US product. The uniformity looks great for the Japan built parts, and not nearly as uniform for the US parts.
---snip---
Failure rate of transmissions of HTM make is rather high compared to that of transmissions of (Japanese) make. (EricL note: the graph has US and Japan CL/TL models in graph. The Mss (sp? [Japan]) make have a 0.09% failure rate vs. HTM rate of 0.22%.
The clutch return spring guide deformation mechanism contains the following note: “If the clutch wear advances, the coned disk spring gets out of place and interference is thereby encountered between piston and hub and as a consequence, the guide is deformed.”
---snip---
A graph showing deformation vs. piston stroke for Japan and local (US) parts is shown. The Japan sourced part keeps its deformation under control with increasing piston stroke. The US sourced part causes the piston to go out of place.
The clutch return spring guide is considered to have deformed with the spring in compressed condition, and such deformation is secondary failure derived from clutch wear.
---snip---
Page 579:
“Changes in Manufacture (by FCC) of Third Clutch Pack”
Third clutch pack manufacturing (assembling location of FCC was changed from Japan to the US in April 2001, and localization of the parts colored in yellow in the time table on the right was started at the same time.
Changes in parts/manufacturing process related to third clutch pack thereafter
* Localization of GUIDE COMP in the US started in October 2001
* Disk bonding process transferred from FCC-Indiana to FCC-North Carolina in December 2001
---snip---
The specs between the US and Japan build trannies (new) are different – but is not explained in detail just yet. The table shows the new US trannies with average surface roughness in the 0.4 to 0.5x range vs. the Japan trannies with average roughness of close to 0.1. The peak roughness for US trannies was around 4.x with the Japan trannies having a value of 1.x. (There is a large difference in the surface properties between US and Japan trannies!!!!)...
“* Clutch plates made in US compared poorly with clutch plate made in Japan in both average surface roughness (Ra) and maximum surface roughness (Rmax)
...
EricL note: When I look at the returned graph of the US plate, the surface roughness looks BAAADD. The Japan plate has an even level of “grit” when compared to the US product. The uniformity looks great for the Japan built parts, and not nearly as uniform for the US parts.
---snip---
Failure rate of transmissions of HTM make is rather high compared to that of transmissions of (Japanese) make. (EricL note: the graph has US and Japan CL/TL models in graph. The Mss (sp? [Japan]) make have a 0.09% failure rate vs. HTM rate of 0.22%.
06-12-2006, 10:33 PM
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Does anyone think humans have anything to do with the roughness of the clutch plate? This has to be machine made...does being located in the US cause machines to be less precise? I just can't buy the argument against the US in this context. Now if it's a matter of QC, and less precise parts passing QC in the US...that's really not the fault of the worker on the line..that's a management decision.
06-13-2006, 02:25 AM
#1152
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
It's a looooooong learning curve for Honda...they were the first Asian car maker to launch a lux-brand...and now they are behind.
The new LS is Lexus's fourth gen...by the time Acura comes out with a real V8 competitor in the S-Class/7Series game, it'll have to at least catch up to 4 gen of experience that Lexus has over it.
07-05-2006, 10:58 AM
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Acura: RL news **Next Generation Concept to Debut at 2012 NY AutoShow (page 40)**
The www.thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com claims that the next generation Acura RL will boast a V8 and RWD and might get a coupe version also to go against the 6-series and CLK.
that would be great, I hope Acura doesn't mess this one up!
07-05-2006, 11:24 AM
#1156
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I wonder how reliable his info is?
07-05-2006, 11:35 AM
#1158
The sizzle in the Steak
Well, if true, it only took Acura 10+ years to figure out what everyone else already knew.
V8 and RWD a must for the flagship lux-car.
V8 and RWD a must for the flagship lux-car.
