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Old 02-28-2013, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by vybzkartel
Your opinion, bro. But I call b.s.!

If that thing had an 'A' badge in place of that 3-pointed star, and an exclusive V6 spinning the front wheel, instead of what we know(power of the mind) about the drivetrain, would you have said that?

The previous gen. E looked much better than this ugly p.o.s.!
Indeed it's my opinion! You don't have to accept it if you don't agree with it. IMO, the E-class just have all that compared even without the pointed star! In my eyes, I don't see it in the RLX. Though I do agree that the last E was better looking than the current one.
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What's the fun in that.

He's the annoying fly buzzing around your head. Sure you could pull out the flyswatter and smash him to bits but then what would we all do with the rest of our day?
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
What's the fun in that.

He's the annoying fly buzzing around your head. Sure you could pull out the flyswatter and smash him to bits but then what would we all do with the rest of our day?
Sometimes (read: always) just taking the high road shows more character. But that's not to say that I don't agree on a personal level. (Besides, I've already been reprimanded by "above" for speaking my mind.)

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Originally Posted by F23A4
Sometimes (read: always) just taking the high road shows more character. But that's not to say that I don't agree on a personal level. (Besides, I've already been reprimanded by "above" for speaking my mind.)
By above you mean the powers above me as well, and not above as in me right
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Sometimes (read: always) just taking the high road shows more character. But that's not to say that I don't agree on a personal level. (Besides, I've already been reprimanded by "above" for speaking my mind.)
Were just having fun. It's not getting personal. And when it does this thread will be shut down.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Acura
Thought the RL stopped production few months back already? Those sale numbers could just be leftovers.

Not that it really matters...
Yeah, production stopped because they were such slow sellers that dealers had leftovers on lots.
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By above you mean the powers above me as well, and not above as in me right
No, not you. I meant higher up the mod food chain.
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Come on SuperMods, lets see the RLX section created already!
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So I went to the dealer for parts today. Saw a silver RLX.

It is an improvement over the old Toucan Sam one.

But the MDX next to it had more presence.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
If People know what is better for them so why there are so many E class on used car lots.
Because they sell 4X as many as Honda sells TL's. So you are going to see more on used lots as they turn over.

What might be a good thing for you to Google is how many of them were replaced by a new MB.
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Few shots I've taken from the dealer



http://www.flickr.com/photos/87816753@N02/8537589631/
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Those wheels make it look even more like an Accord...
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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
Because they sell 4X as many as Honda sells TL's. So you are going to see more on used lots as they turn over.

What might be a good thing for you to Google is how many of them were replaced by a new MB.
Even if they are replacing old MB with new MB. the old MB at used car lots are losing values very fast. There is no way those lease buyout values are realistic. i am not sure how BMW/MB support there dealer.
$41k asking price for only 10K diesel miles. 3 to 4 year old are in low 20k
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd/3666662770.html
2011 Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedan E350 BlueTEC 10,775 miles only (Walnut Creek)
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What's your point? That Acks hold their value? So do hondas. Again what's your point?

Who buys a car as an investment?

I have appliances in my house too. Mostly GE and Kenmore. I didn't buy them as investments either. I'll use them and move on if they breaks. Pretty much like a car.

Is it supposed to make someone feel better because they don't lose their shirt AND pants on a hondack?

Move on....
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Originally Posted by knavinusa
Those wheels make it look even more like an Accord...
I think it looks like an Avalon with a weird grille and headlights.
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Honestly I'd love an Accord Touring model exterior in white with the RLX interior features.

In a perfect world..
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Those photos look pretty good....but then white is my favourite color...lol
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Honestly I'd love an Accord Touring model exterior in white with the RLX interior features.

In a perfect world..
Agree, I couldn't figure out what that dash trim material in the Accord was supposed to be. It looked like a matte wood (faux) in pictures. But when I finally looked at one in person, it's a weird kind of...I still dunno what that's supposed to be. It doesn't look bad, but I like the RLX's interior a lot better (as should be the case, since it's that much more expensive than the Accord). But still.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Honestly I'd love an Accord Touring model exterior in white with the RLX interior features, and an Honda Accord pricing.
Fixed in blue color.
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So i was at the dealer buying parts for my 3.7 engine build. While i was there i took the time to look at one and sit in the RLX. In person the car looks large, and much better than it does in pictures. I actually liked it. Interior. 1 word, Beautiful. All materials are top notch and fit and finish is of the same and easily on par or better than BMW/Merc/Audi. Got to play and listen to the Krell Audio. Sound is phenomenal, though i wish it had a little more lows/bass to help give the mucic a little more kick.
Now for my gripe. Interior room, mostly head room. Im 6'5. Most of that is in my legs (36"inseam). Legroom wise i had plenty, and i would say they designed the seat to go back far enough for a 6'7 driver but gave the car headroom for a 6'3 guy to sit comfortably at (a position/angle that looks like you are attempting to take a nap) at best. In order to fit i had to have the seat reclined more than i would like. I had my friend with who is 6'1 -6-2 and with the seat in the position he would have it for driving there was at best 1/2/-3/4" of head room. I find this to be extremely unacceptable, especially for a 60K plus SEDAN. The moonroof intrusion is far too much. My dads Genesis has easily 1-1.5" more headroom where i fit with room to spare. I have sat/fit in subcompact cars with more headroom. Hell there is more headroom in the C6 corvette. Just my and mini review of the RLX
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
So i was at the dealer buying parts for my 3.7 engine build. While i was there i took the time to look at one and sit in the RLX. In person the car looks large, and much better than it does in pictures. I actually liked it. Interior. 1 word, Beautiful. All materials are top notch and fit and finish is of the same and easily on par or better than BMW/Merc/Audi. Got to play and listen to the Krell Audio. Sound is phenomenal, though i wish it had a little more lows/bass to help give the mucic a little more kick.
Now for my gripe. Interior room, mostly head room. Im 6'5. Most of that is in my legs (36"inseam). Legroom wise i had plenty, and i would say they designed the seat to go back far enough for a 6'7 driver but gave the car headroom for a 6'3 guy to sit comfortably at (a position/angle that looks like you are attempting to take a nap) at best. In order to fit i had to have the seat reclined more than i would like. I had my friend with who is 6'1 -6-2 and with the seat in the position he would have it for driving there was at best 1/2/-3/4" of head room. I find this to be extremely unacceptable, especially for a 60K plus SEDAN. The moonroof intrusion is far too much. My dads Genesis has easily 1-1.5" more headroom where i fit with room to spare. I have sat/fit in subcompact cars with more headroom. Hell there is more headroom in the C6 corvette. Just my and mini review of the RLX
Thanks for the review. I also sat in an RLX at the Auto Show and found the interior to be very nice. Interior isn't a problem for me as I'm well below 6'.

Looking at some data, the RLX is on par with A6, E Class, GS in terms of front headroom. Front leg room is better than or the same as 5 series, A6, and E Class, and GS. Rear head room is about 1" less than most competitors, but it has the most rear leg room. I sat in the back of the RLX and can confirm that rear leg room is huge.
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http://www.edmunds.com/acura/rlx/2014/road-test1.html

A Fine Sedan, But Will You Remember It Tomorrow?

Published: 04/09/2013 - by Erin Riches, Senior Editor

Nearly 15 years into our experiment of living in Los Angeles, we still don't know our way around this city. Forget about asking the natives (who are often even more hopeless than we are). We've got a 2014 Acura RLX Advance.

Entering an address into the RLX's navigation system makes us happy. There's a touchscreen that responds with tactile feedback when our fingertips hit it. Or, if we don't feel like typing, we just spin and push the standard Acura multifunction control dial as we would in a TL or TSX. And sometimes we just use our hands for driving and tell the car where we want to go. Most of the time, its voice control interface gets what we're saying.

The fact that the Acura RLX offers this kind of redundancy does not make it special among midsize luxury sedans. But judged for sheer ease of use, and the likelihood that you'll rarely ever have to crack open the owner's manual, the RLX's nav system ranks among the best in this class.

Of course, you practically expect a brand-new flagship to dominate its competition. But apart from its extraordinarily user-friendly cabin electronics, the 2014 Acura RLX poses little threat to the big-name luxury sedans you already have on your short list.

The Price Isn't Small
Lack of name recognition is one of many challenges ahead for the 2014 Acura RLX. It's the successor to the RL, an interesting but unloved luxury sedan that Acura couldn't give away by the end of its model run. Whereas the RL was all-wheel-drive only, the RLX will be offered with both front-wheel drive and AWD. The AWD version is going to be pretty radical: a 370-horsepower hybrid sedan with Version 2.0 of SH-AWD and a claimed 30 mpg EPA combined rating. It goes on sale in late 2013.

Until then, Acura will sell you a front-drive RLX with a conventional V6 engine in one of five trim levels. The base model starts at $49,345, but if you want the nav system, plus all the high-end audio and safety tech Acura has to offer, you'll find your way to an Advance model like this one, which costs $61,345.

That puts the 2014 Acura RLX in the same price territory as nicely equipped versions of the Audi A6, BMW 5 Series, Lexus GS 350 and Mercedes-Benz E350. Acura's top luxury sedan has all the right amenities to compete with these cars. None of them can match its sense of space, either, as generous real-world legroom and shoulder room make the RLX feel more full-size than midsize.

These rivals have set the benchmarks for how a modern $60K luxury sedan should behave on the road, though, and the 2014 Acura RLX doesn't hit them.

More Fuel-Efficient V6

The Acura RLX's 3.5-liter V6 engine is a tempting target for criticism, simply because it's smaller than the 3.7-liter V6 in the old RL. But on the basis of efficiency alone, the 3.5-liter represents a significant upgrade.

It's the first Acura V6 with direct injection, a change that allowed the engineers to bump up compression from 11.2:1 to 11.5. Horsepower is up to 310 at 6,500 rpm (up from 300), while the torque curve remains largely the same, peaking at 272 pound-feet at 4,500 rpm. The engine also uses the automaker's Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology, allowing it to cut fuel and close the intake and exhaust valves on half its cylinders in low-load situations.

The results speak for themselves in the fuel economy department: The EPA rates the 2014 RLX at 20 mpg city/31 mpg highway and 24 mpg combined. Among six-cylinder midsize luxury sedans, only the BMW 535i (21 city/30 highway/24 combined) matches that. Our test car averaged 23 mpg even in 878 miles of testing, with a best run of 25.5 mpg over 398 miles (easily achieved with an 18.5-gallon tank).

But there's no denying that the RLX lacks the low-end punch of the forced-induction engines in the 535i and A6. In Acura tradition, power builds as you gather revs and the engine remains satisfyingly smooth. This is not a slow car. But with its 6.5-second 0-60-mph time (or 6.2 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and 14.6-second quarter-mile (at 97.1 mph) times, it's slower than the elite sedans in this price range.

The A6 is by far the quickest (4.9-second 0-60, 13.6-second quarter-mile), while the 535i and GS 350 hold a half-second advantage over the Acura in a quarter-mile drag race. The RLX is marginally quicker than the AWD 2013 Lincoln MKZ we tested (6.7 seconds to 60, 14.8-second quarter-mile) and has a comfortable advantage over the 2013 Cadillac XTS AWD (7.3, 15.5), though the Caddy also outweighs it by 300 pounds.

Gets You to Work in Peace

You're not likely to find fault with the 2014 Acura RLX's standard-issue six-speed automatic transmission on the way to work. Upshifts feel smooth and sophisticated as you accelerate up to speed on highway on-ramps, and the transmission downshifts with sufficient haste when you're ready to pass (plus, there are paddle shifters on the steering wheel if you simply can't wait).

Our one complaint about this six-speed automatic is that its Sport mode isn't practical to use during a normal commute: It locks out 6th gear and often keeps the engine spinning for no good reason in stop-and-go traffic. It's disappointing, because throttle response feels more linear in Sport and downshifts are rev-matched.

This is a fleeting annoyance, though, amidst the peace and quiet of the RLX's cockpit. Acuras aren't known for serenity, but the 2014 RLX is significantly quieter than the competition at wide-open throttle and a 70-mph cruise.

Part of the credit goes to the active engine mounts and active noise cancellation system (the latter is a measure to keep you from hearing the VCM system transition the engine to three-cylinder mode). At startup, you'd never guess this V6 is direct injected, because unlike many D.I. engines, it doesn't idle like a UPS truck (at least not to the naked human ear).

Meanwhile, driving aids like all-speed adaptive cruise control, a blind spot warning system and a lane keeping assist system work exactly as you'd expect. Still, we'd like to see the Honda Accord's excellent Lane Watch system make it to the Acura line, because a camera image of vehicles in your blind spot is more useful than an LED on the A-pillar.

Handles Decently, But the Ride Isn't Alright
Ride quality is the 2014 Acura RLX's greatest failing. It doesn't matter which route we take: The RLX never finds that perfect medium between compliance and composure unless we're driving on freshly poured asphalt. The 245/40R19 98Y Michelin Primacy MXM4 all-season tires on our RLX Advance model crash over ruts in the city, while less than optimal damping gives the car a bouncy, almost buoyant feel as it crests freeway expansion joints. (Eighteen-inch tires are standard on the lower trim levels, and it's possible they might improve the ride.)

We might forgive some of the harshness around town if the RLX showed some athleticism on twisty back roads, but that's not its thing, either. The electric-assist power steering is precise and responds crisply to inputs, but the rest of the car is in no hurry to change direction. As you've heard, the RLX has a rear steering feature (known as Precision All-Wheel Steer, or P-AWS). It provides subtle benefits on a road like Mulholland Highway, tidying up the big front-driver's cornering line, but it's not magic and there's no payoff in pushing beyond a comfortably brisk pace. If you like to drive, you'll prefer the sharper-handling 535i, A6 or GS 350.

These sedans also laid down better handling numbers at our test track. In fairness, the A6 and GS 350 owe their impressive slalom and skid pad numbers to their stickier summer tires, but a rear-drive 535i on all-season rubber managed better numbers (64.9 mph through the slalom, 0.84g on the skid pad) than our front-drive RLX (63.3 mph, 0.82g).

The RLX's 120-foot braking distance from 60 mph is average for this class, but as is too often the case with Acuras, the brakes get smelly and the pedal softens after repeated stops.

Cabin Needs More Flair
Of course, we've never heard an Acura owner complain that his car can't keep up with a BMW 5 Series. Not everyone needs a Bimmer. Not everyone needs rear-wheel drive. But one thing that made the old RL special when it came out for 2005 was its sophisticated interior. All-in-one control interfaces were still in their infancy back then, but Acura managed to pull it all together in a design that really felt cutting-edge.

And in spite of how well everything works inside the 2014 Acura RLX (though we've yet to try the three cloud-based Acura Link apps that weren't active during our test), it doesn't have the appealing futuristic vibe of its predecessor. Part of the problem is that the RLX's 7-inch touchscreen and the 8-inch map display above it don't look they belong in the same dash. Plus, the 8-inch screen is the same size, aspect ratio and resolution as the map display in the Accord. It doesn't look high-end enough for the Acura flagship.

Materials quality is good in the 2014 RLX. But if we're being picky, neither the leather upholstery nor the wood trim has that no-expense-spared feel you get in any of the German sedans. The metal speaker enclosures for the Krell audio system look fantastic, though. And the fit and finish in our preproduction test car is excellent.

You Can Do Better
If user-friendly technology is critically important to you in a premium-brand midsize sedan, you should give some thought to the 2014 Acura RLX. This is the sort of car that's going to reliably reconnect to your smartphone every time you start it up. You're never going to get confused programming the nav system and you're always going to able to play the Baseball Tonight podcast.

However, if you're less concerned about cabin electronics and more interested in driving, there are better midsize luxury sedans out there. For similar money, you could have one of the German sedans or a GS 350 that offers better acceleration, handling and, most importantly, ride quality. You could also buy a loaded Cadillac XTS or Hyundai Genesis for quite a bit less.

We have little doubt that the upcoming Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD will be more engaging to drive than this RLX, but in the meantime, Acura is going to have a tough time keeping its flagship on customers' radar.

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If you like to drive, you'll prefer the sharper-handling 535i, A6 or GS 350.
Ouch.
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For gods sakes like look like a Camry.
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Ouch.
From what I've read so far, the new GS has pretty good handling. Heck, some even say it's better than the 5 series. Though that's not saying much as BMW keeps on going downhill when it comes to driving fun (i.e. 3 series with its lifeless steering, I6 became I4T, etc).
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DOA. Only people that didn't see this coming work at Honda. Can't believe they could fail so miserably after having so much time to get it right.
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...You could also buy a loaded Cadillac XTS or Hyundai Genesis for quite a bit less
paid just over $40K for my Genesis RSpec and she is a sexy 429hp beast with every bell and whistle I could ask for.
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DOA. Only people that didn't see this coming work at Honda. Can't believe they could fail so miserably after having so much time to get it right.
One would think they would have learned from their mistakes. Its like they think they can change the segment to follow them instead of joining and improving the segment. Every other manufacturer competing or trying to compete is moving forward. They are stuck or going backwards.

I wonder if there will be a early MMC if reports like this keep coming?

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Bottom line (and I know many of us have said this before) - Honda must introduce a new platform and launch the RL(X) from it's underpinnings. Start with a lightweight RWD oriented car focus on driving dynamics as well as driver comfort.

Without the proper chassis, moving upscale will be harder and harder as their compitition laughs all the way to the bank.
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Honda needs a new platform for the Civic/Accord, period. They've been clinging to the same old stuff forever it seems. Same with their engines, the last time anyone was excited about a Honda engine was when they came up with VTEC.

Are they not spending as much on R&D? Or is it that they are, but they're spending it on incremental improvements? Do they waste too much money on robots?
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Seems like Honda peeps are not working with the Acura peeps.

Honda got it right with the Accord becasue I don't think the company can afford to screw the Accord up. Everything else in the Honda line up looks to be selling well.

The opposite can be said to Acura. ILX and RLX are toast. MDX and maybe the TL is the only thing keeping Acura alive.

The CEO of Acura was on the BNN Car Business show. He thinks Acura will be in a turn around. Sheezzz these execs live in another world.


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DOA. Only people that didn't see this coming work at Honda. Can't believe they could fail so miserably after having so much time to get it right.

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Old 04-12-2013, 10:27 AM
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But at the end of the day Acura = Honda. If basic communication is failing between the same NA operations then they have bigger problems.
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In this segment you either have the status (Germans) or put a lot of cash on the hood (Hyundai). Otherwise you will be a niche player. That might be fine for Honda with the RLX, but I doubt they can make money at those volume levels.
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
Honda needs a new platform for the Civic/Accord, period. They've been clinging to the same old stuff forever it seems. Same with their engines, the last time anyone was excited about a Honda engine was when they came up with VTEC.

Are they not spending as much on R&D? Or is it that they are, but they're spending it on incremental improvements? Do they waste too much money on robots?
Accord just got a new platform, and I think it's been doing pretty well. Also, the new engines in the Accord are pretty much class leading in terms of NVH, power, performance, and fuel efficiency. The J series might be old in the Accord without all those fancy technologies, but it's outperforming pretty much everyone else right now.

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In this segment you either have the status (Germans) or put a lot of cash on the hood (Hyundai). Otherwise you will be a niche player. That might be fine for Honda with the RLX, but I doubt they can make money at those volume levels.
That is the main issue IMO. If Acura continues to only sell cars in North America (and may be China), then it simply doesn't have enough volume. Infiniti has this problem too but at least Nissan is a bigger company and there's also Renault there to back them up. Look at Audi, Mercedes, BMW, those companies have volume. They can build a platform, share it with several models, and sell all of them worldwide. Just look at the MFA platform from Mercedes. It gives birth to the A Class, B Class, and now the CLA. It will also serve future models like the CLA shooting brake and GLA SUV. B Class has a total volume of 150,000 last year. A class will probably get another 150,000 copies. Altogether, we are talking about half a million or more per year just by using one single platform. Honda may be selling that many cars with its Accord platform and Civic platform. But those are platforms for family cars, not luxury cars. All of those luxury features can be shared between those 500,000 copies of CLA, A Class, B Class, and GLA. The development cost can all be shared among those models. Acura? ILX is on its own. RLX is on its own. There's simply no comparison.

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IMO there should not be R&D in US.
All Acura have to be design and made in Japan to have success. Look at TSX and 2G RL not to mention '96 Legend.
3G TL still looks super because was designed around 1G TSX and Accord/Inspire.

So no, no need for US to design Honda/Acura.

Hyenas are there only for money and to slow down Honda. Look who is introducing Acura Concepts and Prototypes... please...



His very proud standing next to this...


Look at his face now... holding an award that he has nothing to do with.



This is the problem:



Anyway, like I said, we'll see the true RLX when SH-SHAWD Legend goes on sale in Japan.
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Wrong..

The big hits for Acura, such as the 3rd gen TL, were significantly influenced by Honda USA.

Same goes for the new Accord. Again, significantly designed and tested in Ohio. Honda USA also had a lot of say in content/features.

The RL/RLX is from the Japan design group and Acura USA is basically given a car it doesnt want and told to market it.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Accord just got a new platform, and I think it's been doing pretty well. Also, the new engines in the Accord are pretty much class leading in terms of NVH, power, performance, and fuel efficiency. The J series might be old in the Accord without all those fancy technologies, but it's outperforming pretty much everyone else right now.
As long as the Honda J-series V6 family can be tuned further for more output horsepower and/or higher hp/liter (i.e. efficiency), it is still considered to have useful life left, no matter how old the cycle has stretched.

On the other hand, if an engine family can no longer be tuned further for more output horsepower and/or higher hp/liter, it is considered to be at it's cycle end, even if it is just two/three years old. A new engine design is then needed, to continue the push for more output and higher efficiency.


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