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Old 01-15-2013, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LiQiCE
MSRP Pricing for the RLX:


Wow - I wonder what the Advanced package brings with it that it requires a >$10K bump over the base model?

I've got to imagine that dealers will be cutting these prices a lot because they sound way too high.
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RLX:
-18” Wheels
-Jewel-Eye LED headlights
-Precision All-Wheel Steer
-Forward Collision Warning
-Lane Departure Warning
-Electric Parking Brake
-Leatherette
-Heated Front Seats
-Smart Entry / Push-button Start
-6-Speed Automatic Transmission
-ELS Audio System (10-speaker)
-HD Radio
-Backup Camera with Dynamic Guidelines


RLX WITH NAVIGATION:
(in addition to or in place of features on RLX)
-HDD Navigation System


TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE:
(in addition to or in place of features on RLX WITH NAVIGATION)
-Premium Leather Seats
-Blind Spot Information
-ELS Studio Audio System (14-Speaker)
-Acoustic Side Glass
-Rain Sensor
-Power Side Mirror
-19” Wheels

KRELL AUDIO PACKAGE:
(in addition to or in place of features on TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE)
-Krell Audio System (14-Speaker)
-Rear Door Sunshades
-Power Rear Window Sunshade

ADVANCE PACKAGE:
(in addition to or in place of features on KRELL AUDIO PACKAGE)
-Collision Mitigation Braking System
-Adaptive Cruise Control with Low Speed Follow
-Lane Keep Assist
-Parking Sensors
-Ventilated Front Seats
-Heated Rear Seats
-Auto-Dimming Side Mirrors
Old 01-15-2013, 06:59 PM
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I'm not in the market for an RLX, but damn that looks boring. Also, for that kind of money I'd rather get an A6, E350, or GS350. I patiently wait for the TLX...
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Originally Posted by iforyou
acura is giving too much credit to luxury car buyers and is over-estimating how smart most of these people are. Even though the base rlx at $48k will most likely come loaded with fancy technologies, features, better materials, improved fit/finish and all that stuff, most luxury car buyers will not see them. As soon as they see the conservative styling, brand name, drivetrain, and price tag, they will look elsewhere. We have seen that with the rl. Sure the rlx is improved in pretty much every area, but without a radical styling that looks extremely good, the car cannot even attract anyone to the showroom.
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Acura will sell these bad boys by the hundreds. Great job once again!!
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Acura is giving too much credit to luxury car buyers and is over-estimating how smart most of these people are. Even though the base RLX at $48k will most likely come loaded with fancy technologies, features, better materials, improved fit/finish and all that stuff, most luxury car buyers will not see them. As soon as they see the conservative styling, brand name, drivetrain, and price tag, they will look elsewhere. We have seen that with the RL. Sure the RLX is improved in pretty much every area, but without a radical styling that looks extremely good, the car cannot even attract anyone to the showroom.
just wanna echo this too...lotta luxury buyers wont even test drive. theyll look at the badge, look at the car, and be 90% on their way to a decision
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in SH-SH-AWD form if I were in the market and the price were reasonable.

Then again, I like orphaned, unusual cars. I'll wait for the MMC when I can get one for $10k off MSRP. . Worked when I got my 2G RL!
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Originally Posted by dom
Add about 10k would be my guess.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1125958

This thing is DOA IMO.....
Very aggressive MSRP pricing.

It doesn't really make much sense to move that far upscale by leaps and bounds in one generation on a FF platform. My best guess is that within 18 months the incentives will drive avg transaction prices for the SH-AWD version in the mid fifties, so I stand by my original call.
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Acura RLX Press Release

Acura Announces Launch Plan and Pricing for 2014 RLX Flagship Sedan

Feature-rich Acura RLX boasts numerous signature Acura-exclusive technologies, delivers incredible value on a luxury scale with starting price of $48,450

DETROIT, Mich.,

The all-new 2014 Acura RLX flagship sedan will debut at Acura dealerships on March 15, 2013, with a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) starting at $48,450*. Featuring an all-new 310-horspower direct-injected SOHC i-VTEC V-6 powerplant, the most spacious passenger cabin in its class, and the first-ever application of signature Acura technologies including Precision All-Wheel Steer™ and Jewel Eye™ LED headlamps, the RLX delivers new levels of technology-enhanced performance, safety, and luxury-class comfort to Acura's range-topping sedan.

"With an array of signature Acura technologies, the 2014 Acura RLX sets a new standard for luxury in the Acura lineup," said Jeff Conrad, vice president and general manager of Acura Sales. "The feature-rich RLX epitomizes Acura's 'Man-Machine Synergy' product direction, utilizing advanced technology and smart vehicle design to deliver incredible performance, comfort and value on a luxury scale."

Destination RLX

In February, Acura dealers will kick off the "Destination RLX" client experience program – with every Acura dealer nationwide featuring two 2014 Acura RLX sedans, weeks ahead of the March 15 on-sale date, providing Acura clients with the opportunity to experience the numerous new technologies available on the RLX luxury performance sedan.

Flagship Features

The 2014 Acura RLX is powered by an all-new, 310-horsepower, direct-injected SOHC 24-Valve i-VTEC® V-6 powerplant, Acura's first-ever direct-injected engine architecture. Utilizing Variable Cylinder Management™ (with the ability to deactivate the rear bank of three cylinders) in combination with a lightweight and aerodynamic body design, the new Acura RLX is anticipated to carry a class-leading EPA fuel-economy rating of 20/31/24 mpg1 (city/highway/combined).

With the longest rear-seat legroom (38.8 inches), longest tandem seating distance (36.4 inches), and widest front and rear shoulder room in the mid-luxury class, the new RLX delivers full-size interior space in a nimbler, more efficient midsize luxury sedan exterior package.

Featuring the first-ever application of Acura Precision All-Wheel Steer™ (P-AWS) the RLX achieves new levels of handling agility, high and low-speed maneuverability, and confident handling control for a two-wheel-drive luxury sedan. Precision All-Wheel Steer is the world's first technology to feature independent and continuous control of the left and right rear-wheel steering (toe) angles. Its benefits include crisper lane changes, more nimble cornering, enhanced dynamic response, tighter radius low-speed turning, and confidence-inspiring control.

As previously announced, a version of RLX featuring Acura's new Sport Hybrid Super Handling All-Wheel Drive® (Sport Hybrid SH-AWD®) technology, producing 370 horsepower with expected EPA fuel-economy ratings of 30 city/30 highway/30 combined, will debut later in 2013.

Further, the new RLX confidently competes in the high-end luxury sedan market with an incredible array of leading-edge technologies, including the next-generation AcuraLink® cloud-based connected car system with AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ featuring freeway traffic and, for the first time, surface street traffic information.New standard safety technologies include Lane Departure Warning and Forward Collision Warning, a driver's knee airbag, and the next-generation of Acura's Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™ II) body structure; along with available Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS).

The RLX will also offer a bevvy of leading-edge visibility and driver-assistive technologies, including Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS), Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low-Speed Follow, Blind Spot Information (BSI) system, Multi-view Rearview Camera, Expanded View Driver's Mirror, and front and rear parking sensors.

The 2014 Acura RLX will be available in five grades – the well-equipped RLX, the RLX with Navigation, the feature-packed RLX with Technology package, the RLX with Krell Audio package, and the top-of-the-line RLX with Advance package.

MSRP*
  • RLX -- $48,450
  • RLX with Navigation -- $50,950
  • RLX with Technology Package -- $54,450
  • RLX with Krell Audio Package -- $56,950
  • RLX with Advance Package -- $60,450

Exterior Design and Function

The RLX follows an "aero-fused" exterior design motif with its wide and athletic stance, sharp upswept bodylines, aerodynamic greenhouse, and distinctive new Jewel-Eye™ LED headlights offering improved down-the-road illumination and lighting characteristics. The RLX's sleek upper body combines with aerodynamic features to deliver best-in-class levels of aerodynamic efficiency.

Seven spoke 18x8J aluminum-alloy wheels and 245/45 R18 all-weather tires are standard, while Technology, Krell and Advance grades feature 19x8J wheels and 245/40 R19 tires. The RLX's alloy wheels also feature a noise-reducing design that lowers tire noise by 7 decibels across the audible frequency range.

Additional exterior features available on the RLX include an acoustic glass windshield and door glass, integrated power rear sunshade, front and rear parking sensors, heated and auto-dimming side mirrors, and rain-sensing windshield wipers.

Interior Design and Function

The RLX interior features premium, soft touch materials throughout, with the tasteful application of premium metal and wood-grain accents. A stitched leather instrument panel, center console and steering wheel, along with available Milano perforated leather seats, communicate a new level of craftsmanship and refined luxury appeal in Acura's top-of-the-line sedan.

Luxury form and function are smartly integrated in the RLX's new center console, featuring dual screens – an 8-inch Navigation screen and a 7-inch On-Demand Multi-Use Display™ touch screen – that provide easy and direct one-touch access to key functions, including audio, climate control, navigation, and text-to-voice SMS text message functionality. The sliding, leather-trimmed armrest conceals a dual-hinged center storage compartment with easy access for both the driver and front passenger to USB connectivity, 12-volt accessory power outlet and space to store tablets and other electronic devices.

Additional interior comfort and convenience features include push-button start, power tilt and telescoping steering, power sunroof, tri-zone automatic climate control, and Bluetooth®3 HandsFreeLink®.

The standard 10-speaker ELS® audio system includes HD radio™, XM radio, Pandora® interface, USB connectivity, and an auxiliary jack. The RLX with Technology package is equipped with a 14-speaker Acura/ELS® Studio premium audio system. The Krell Audio and Advance grades receive an ultra-premium, 14-speaker, Krell audio system that sets a new benchmark for high-fidelity sound in a luxury vehicle.

Chassis Technology

Whether on a serpentine mountain pass, congested city street, or cramped airport parking deck, and in all weather conditions, the RLX with Precision All-Wheel Steer™ (P-AWS™) is designed to deliver an unprecedented level of handling precision and control in a two-wheel drive luxury sedan.

Working in concert with Vehicle Stability Assist® (VSA®) with Traction Control, and Agile Handling Assist dynamic braking system, P-AWS™ provides enhanced vehicle stability, maneuverability, and control. The RLX's handling performance is further elevated by its new double-wishbone front and multi-link rear suspension system with Amplitude Reactive Dampers, and new high-output, belt-type electronic power steering.

All RLX models have 4-wheel disc brakes with high-friction pads and a 4-channel anti-lock braking system (ABS), along with new Hydraulic Brake Boost that improves brake pedal feel. New Electric Parking Brake with Automatic Brake Hold, and high-efficiency Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) are additional firsts for Acura.

New Direct-Injected i-VTEC® V-6 with VCM

The 2014 RLX is powered by an all-new, 3.5-liter, direct-injected SOHC

i-VTEC® V-6 engine with Variable Cylinder Management™. Rated at 310 horsepower, the engine delivers exceptional drivability, with more than 90-percent of its peak 272 lb.-ft. of torque available from 2000 rpm to 6600 rpm. Variable Cylinder Management with 3-cylinder and 6-cylinder operation works in concert with the VTEC valvetrain to deliver superb cruising efficiency. The engine is mounted to a lightweight and rigid aluminum front subframe using a vibration-canceling Active Control engine Mount (ACM) system.

The new engine is mated to a reengineered Sequential SportShift 6-speed automatic transmission with revised gearing, an intuitive selector and steering-wheel-mounted shift paddles. A driver-selectable Sport mode provides more aggressive shift points and more pronounced engine braking during deceleration, along with manual operation.

AcuraLink® Connectivity System

The RLX is equipped with the next-generation AcuraLink® cloud-based connected car system, delivering a comprehensive array of media, convenience, and security services via embedded two-way communications and web-enabled devices. AcuraLink® leverages the Aha™ by Harman cloud-based interface to provide users with thousands of customizable cloud-based news, information and media feeds. Next-generation AcuraLink® also delivers an array of available, subscription-based, security and convenience features, such as AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ featuring freeway traffic and, for the first time, surface street traffic information; airbag deployment notification; stolen vehicle tracking; remote locking and unlocking; security alarm notification; and 24-hour personalized concierge services.

Advanced Safety, Visibility, and Driver Assistive Technology

The RLX offers a bevy of leading-edge safety technologies, including standard Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Forward Collision Warning (FCW), seven smart-deploying airbags including a driver's knee airbag, and Acura's next-generation Advanced Compatibility Engineering II (ACE II) body structure.

The RLX is anticipated to earn top-level safety ratings, including a 5-star NCAP Overall Vehicle Score2. The RLX is also expected to join the Acura TL sedan in earning an IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK+ rating, including a GOOD rating in the stringent new IIHS small overlap frontal crash test.

The RLX also offers a comprehensive list of advanced visibility and driver-assistive technologies, including the standard Expanded View Driver's Mirror and Multi-View Rear Camera with Dynamic Guidelines, along with available Lane Keeping Assist (LKAS) system, Collision Mitigation Brake (CMBS) system, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low-Speed Follow, Blind Spot Information (BSI), and front and rear parking sensors.

Additional details on key advances and technologies for the all-new 2014 RLX:

Class leading interior space based on the RLX's longer wheelbase and efficient packaging. At 196.1 inches, the RLX is similar in length to the outgoing RL, but it has a two-inch longer wheelbase and is nearly two inches wider, placing the new RLX well above the norm in the mid-luxury class. The flagship RLX sedan has up to three inches more rear legroom than competing models, including the BMW 535i, Lexus GS350 and Audi A6.

Extensive use of lightweight materials includes the application of strength steel to 55 percent of the body, and the intensive use of aluminum-for the front fenders, hood, steering hangar beam, front and rear bumper beams, front subframe, and all-new "hybrid" front and rear door panels (steel inner structure mated to aluminum outer skin). The RLX weighs in at 3,933 pounds. Static bending and torsional body rigidity are up 52 percent and 46 percent, respectively.

Jewel-Eye™ LED headlights (an Acura first) LED lamps enhance the RLX's modern and distinctive appearance while providing outstanding light distribution and improved down-the-road illumination.

Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition™ offers a wide range of search options including local search functionality and AcuraLink Real-Time Traffic™ for both highways and surface streets.

Agile Handling Assist (an Acura first) uses active braking to help the driver smoothly and easily trace the desired line through a curve with smaller steering inputs.

Electric Parking Brake (an Acura first) provides one-touch parking brake activation.

Automatic Brake Hold (an Acura first) maintains the vehicle's position when the driving or parking brake are released until the throttle is depressed.

Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low-Speed Follow (an Acura first), allows the RLX to independently maintain a set following distance in low-speed traffic situations, including stop and go traffic, and to initiate vehicle braking when necessary.

Forward Collision Warning (FCW) uses a camera mounted in the upper portion of the windshield to detect vehicles ahead of the RLX and audibly and visually alert the driver when it determines a frontal collision with a detected vehicle is possible.

Lane Departure Warning (LDW) uses the same windshield-mounted camera to detect lane markings on the road and alerts the driver if the vehicle is wandering from a detected lane.

Front seatbelt e-pretensioners use electronic control to reduce belt tension under normal driving conditions, while also enabling automatic belt tensioning in hard cornering maneuvers or in the event of a collision.

Multi-angle rearview camera with dynamic guidelines uses dynamic guidelines that reflect steering wheel inputs on the display to aid in backup maneuvers.

Capless fueling (an Acura first) eliminates the fuel cap and improves ease of fueling.
Old 01-16-2013, 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeschicagoRL
Acura will sell these bad boys by the hundreds.
They'd be so lucky.

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The base price is OK, but I was expecting the SH-AWD with some package option to be ~$60K. These prices for the FWD version with option packages seem too high.
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DAAAAAAAAAAYUM at those prices.

For minimally more than $60k you can get a leftover 2012 CTS-V. Just saying.
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Yea I thought that over $60K price would be for the SH-SH-AWD model. I guess we'll see what kind of premium that drivetrain will entail
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
DAAAAAAAAAAYUM at those prices.

For minimally more than $60k you can get a leftover 2012 CTS-V. Just saying.

And perhaps starting price for a C7
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I wonder how much the SH-SH-AWD system will add to those prices. I could see this price party ending at well over $70k.
Old 01-16-2013, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerG
just wanna echo this too...lotta luxury buyers wont even test drive. theyll look at the badge, look at the car, and be 90% on their way to a decision
Yea...

I can come here and discuss how many features this car has even in base form, how nice the materials are, how good the fit and finish are, how reliable this car is going to be, etc, etc. But those are meaningless if no one goes to the showroom.....

This is like a repeat of the 2G RL. Decent, inoffensive but bland styling, average engine output, tons of standard features, high base price (for an Acura). It would probably sell okay in the first year, but not too sure in the long run....
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea...

I can come here and discuss how many features this car has even in base form, how nice the materials are, how good the fit and finish are, how reliable this car is going to be, etc, etc. But those are meaningless if no one goes to the showroom.....

This is like a repeat of the 2G RL. Decent, inoffensive but bland styling, average engine output, tons of standard features, high base price (for an Acura). It would probably sell okay in the first year, but not too sure in the long run....
+1 Perhaps for a RWD it would have stood a chance at those prices but for FWD I'm not expecting good sales. I could be wrong but market perceptions are for AWD/RWD in that market space. I know they make them but FWD A6's gotta be rare in the states, Heck even a friend had to special order his FWD A4.

None the less, I want to see a RLX in the showroom to see the design and quality of materials firsthand and upclose.
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
in SH-SH-AWD form if I were in the market and the price were reasonable.

Then again, I like orphaned, unusual cars. I'll wait for the MMC when I can get one for $10k off MSRP. . Worked when I got my 2G RL!
only $10k off?

With a pricetag on the RLX i would expect $15k. fully loaded $50k OTD
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hmmmm CTS-V or SH-SHAWD RL.....

I think that argument speaks for itself.
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Too damn expensive for an unestablished Acura model.
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CTS-V may match RLX SH-AWD performance only in 6MT.
i highly doubt CTS-V auto will be able to match RLX auto performance when both has all season tire setup. and you still get 30mpg in city with hybrid and super refinement on motorway speeds. this alone justfies price tag. as monthly fuel savings more than offset for monthly payment difference between buying a $55k car and $70k car.
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So if the SH-AWD version doesn't hit 60 in less than 4 seconds a certain person will self ban right?
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Originally Posted by KillerG
just wanna echo this too...lotta luxury buyers wont even test drive. theyll look at the badge, look at the car, and be 90% on their way to a decision
Just saying as far as prices go, I can only imagine the 370hp 30MPG RLX being around 70K, for that you can get a pretty good deal on a much sportier, just as nice car like a E500 or BMW550 that are probably much faster and more dynamic.
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Small nit pick on a rediculously priced and rather bland car but really you can only get cooled seats on the top model? That seems like something that should come standard on a car of this level.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
CTS-V may match RLX SH-AWD performance only in 6MT.
i highly doubt CTS-V auto will be able to match RLX auto performance when both has all season tire setup. and you still get 30mpg in city with hybrid and super refinement on motorway speeds. this alone justfies price tag. as monthly fuel savings more than offset for monthly payment difference between buying a $55k car and $70k car.
Fixed.


Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
Small nit pick on a rediculously priced and rather bland car but really you can only get cooled seats on the top model? That seems like something that should come standard on a car of this level.
I noticed that too. My 2010 GTI had ventilated seats, and that car cost less then $25K.
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RLX not only has more real leg space than BMW 5 and E but dynamically it will handle better on all season setup.

As tested price of $75k with 17/18mpg on C&D test pulling only 0.86g for auto with sport tires and sport setup. these tires have shorter life. in C&D long term test tires could not survive even 10k miles.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
When kitted as both our cars were, with the $2700 Dynamic Handling package and $2200 Sport package

RL pull 0.84g on standard setup and manage 19mpg even though EPA rating of RL was lower than BMW 550i.
In comparision test the new 6speed auto RL manage to get better fuel economic than Genesis V8.
http://www.examiner.com/article/week...genesis-4-6-v8
The RL fought back with better fuel economy of 22.3 miles per gallon but the Genesis simply makes more financial sense
If you are looking for a cut rate BMW 5-Series of Audi A6 then perhaps you should wait a little while for the engineering precision in the Genesis to catch up with Hyundai’s aspirations. Now, I honestly expected that the RL was going to lose badly to the Genesis because of the price and engine power difference but what good is power without a sporty feeling of control.

The RL may not look sporty but it drives a lot more like the 2012 TL what with its high speed composure that is something you must experience to understand. These little differences can save the life of a less experienced of distracted driver and if you want you RL to be cheaper then have a look at the all-new 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD which in this match up would wind up still be being my final buy. But in this match-up the winner was the serene, sedate yet perfectly planted 2011 Acura RL. The Genesis, quite frankly, was frightening at higher speeds and that keeps it out of the winner circle here.
Next RL should easily surpass those number. Honda is very conservative with fuel economic on EPA. Just the fuel saving per month from Hybrid setup is easy to justify the price.
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60 large for a car that looks like its exterior was designed 10 years ago.


Acura: Your badge does not carry any clout or prestige. You cannot charge that kind of jack for a car that looks like this.

You failed again.

To get people to buy the RL, and because you are Acura and not a top tier brand, you need to design a car with an exterior design that has "presence" and looks beautiful, then price your car below the competition, so it now has "value".

Buyers at this end of the market are all about image and badge......2 things Acura severely lacks.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:12 PM
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They need to price it with Hyundai Genesis, not BMW and Mercedes.
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When you are spending $60k or $70k on a car... MPG and Tire life should be least of your concerns.

WTF is all season performance... WRC???
Old 01-17-2013, 02:28 PM
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Acura lives in a fantasy world where people throw down $60k on a car...and these same people go nuts if they have to fill up the tank every week for $80 bucks.

...because we all know if you spend $60k on a car, you clearly cannot afford the cost of gasoline....so you need a car with great MPG.


Acura's thinking: People go to the five star steak house and order the chicken sandwich.
Old 01-17-2013, 02:37 PM
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I fill up at least three times a week for the Genesis - not even counting the my truck I spend north of $800 /mo for fuel.

As someone who might be considered in Acura's target demographic I really can't see the rational for choosing the RLX over any of the competitors within the same segment - let alone one notch above - or below... The market has quite the assortment of choices once you open up above $50K.

I agree with the other posters Acura will have to push hard to move these into perspective buyers. Then again, marketing has never been a strong point on the Honda / Acura side. Hell, they can't even choose a slogan and stick with it.
Old 01-17-2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
CTS-V may match RLX SH-AWD performance only in 6MT.
i highly doubt CTS-V auto will be able to match RLX auto performance when both has all season tire setup. and you still get 30mpg in city with hybrid and super refinement on motorway speeds. this alone justfies price tag. as monthly fuel savings more than offset for monthly payment difference between buying a $55k car and $70k car.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Auto is faster than the manual, and the auto is what set caddys time at the Ring. The RLx would still get beat by the auto V

For the price, i would take the V hands down. To me the Power, sound and RWD make the car FAR more attractive, not to mention the style. The RLX is under powered, and Acura went way to Vanilla on the styling to the RLX IMO to make it stand out to buyers willing to spend 60 large on a car.

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Old 01-17-2013, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
CTS-V may match RLX SH-AWD performance only in 6MT.
i highly doubt CTS-V auto will be able to match RLX auto performance when both has all season tire setup. and you still get 30mpg in city with hybrid and super refinement on motorway speeds. this alone justfies price tag. as monthly fuel savings more than offset for monthly payment difference between buying a $55k car and $70k car.
You realize I was kidding, don't you? Further, this statement makes no sense. You did read my post, when I said a leftover 2012 V can be had for just slightly more than $60k, didn't you?

Oh, never mind.

Back to the thread.

Wake me up when SH-SH-AWD comes.
Old 01-17-2013, 08:05 PM
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:07 PM
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The RLX will be a great used car to own in a few years.
Old 01-17-2013, 08:49 PM
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Wait, so to get real leather you have to pay $54,450?!!?
Old 01-17-2013, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Auto is faster than the manual, and the auto is what set caddys time at the Ring. The RLx would still get beat by the auto V

For the price, i would take the V hands down. To me the Power, sound and RWD make the car FAR more attractive, not to mention the style. The RLX is under powered, and Acura went way to Vanilla on the styling to the RLX IMO to make it stand out to buyers willing to spend 60 large on a car.
depends on tire and ride height of the car. i highly doubt it will pull more g with all season setup.
It is pulling lower Gs than TL SH-AWD despite wider and even lower profile tires. no wonder it ended last in comparision test.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ac-cts-v-2.pdf

CTS V is very poorly designed car. its heavy without NVH levels of premium luxury car. I highly doubt its music system will match Krell.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rm-test-review
Austin’s road trip also opened our eyes to the V’s biggest day-to-day drawback: fuel consumption—or, rather, lack of effective range. The fuel tank holds just 18.0 gallons, and we typically refilled it every 200 miles under mixed city and highway driving
At about this time, the summer tires wore out at slightly different mileages, making us $2072 poorer (including installation and balancing).
similar is another low quality product BMW 535.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
To recap: While the 535i was with us, we replaced two wheels (one front, one rear) and six tires (four worn, two damaged), and we repaired four wheels. The total bill for this, not including installation (which runs $163 for a full tire swap): $4474. We would have saved some cash had we purchased the 535i from a dealership and been upsold on the new BMW Tire & Wheel Protection program ($1389 for five years for a 5-series) because a $50 deductible covers replacement wheels and tires
The bigger problem is that, while the F10 535i gained 193 pounds and maintained its 51/49-percent weight distribution, its wheels weren’t beefed up for the extra 100 pounds carried by the front axle. Our first wheel specialist saw it right away: The wheels are soft. If you do find yourself in the market for a 535i like this one, a word of advice: Avoid potholes. That ought to be easy enough in a climate where you don’t need heated seats.






Even the old 2005 RL with 5speed auto was sufficiently good for handling.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...nts-and-page-2
As usual, we took the RL back to the test track after 40,000 miles, and it had gotten a tick slower over time. Its 0-to-60 run went from 6.3 to 6.4 seconds, and the quarter-mile pace went from 14.8 to 14.9 seconds at 95 mph. Skidpad grip was unchanged at 0.87 g
The level of sophistication and design in RLX is way above anything in its class. Alot of things are new. and certainly not available in Accord. Accord has strut suspension and 19inch rims simply not standard. RLX designed from ground up to be comfortable and quieter with durable 19 inch rims.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/15/a...plan-detailed/

Featuring the first-ever application of Acura Precision All-Wheel Steer™ (P-AWS) the RLX achieves new levels of handling agility, high and low-speed maneuverability, and confident handling control for a two-wheel-drive luxury sedan. Precision All-Wheel Steer is the world's first technology to feature independent and continuous control of the left and right rear-wheel steering (toe) angles. Its benefits include crisper lane changes, more nimble cornering, enhanced dynamic response, tighter radius low-speed turning, and confidence-inspiring control.

Exterior Design and Function

The RLX follows an "aero-fused" exterior design motif with its wide and athletic stance, sharp upswept bodylines, aerodynamic greenhouse, and distinctive new Jewel-Eye™ LED headlights offering improved down-the-road illumination and lighting characteristics. The RLX's sleek upper body combines with aerodynamic features to deliver best-in-class levels of aerodynamic efficiency.

Seven spoke 18x8J aluminum-alloy wheels and 245/45 R18 all-weather tires are standard, while Technology, Krell and Advance grades feature 19x8J wheels and 245/40 R19 tires. The RLX's alloy wheels also feature a noise-reducing design that lowers tire noise by 7 decibels across the audible frequency range.

The RLX's handling performance is further elevated by its new double-wishbone front and multi-link rear suspension system with Amplitude Reactive Dampers, and new high-output, belt-type electronic power steering
All RLX models have 4-wheel disc brakes with high-friction pads and a 4-channel anti-lock braking system (ABS), along with new Hydraulic Brake Boost that improves brake pedal feel. New Electric Parking Brake with Automatic Brake Hold, and high-efficiency Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) are additional firsts for Acura.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
CTS V is very poorly designed car. its heavy without NVH levels of premium luxury car. I highly doubt its music system will match Krell.

similar is another low quality product BMW 535.

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Old 01-18-2013, 02:33 AM
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Buyers at this end of the market are all about image and badge......2 things Acura severely lacks.
Yo Money, I think you overgeneralize a bit.

There are plenty of luxe buyers who can afford more, but don't care for bling and can still appreciate quality and value at the same time. Granted, I agree with you that Acura is being a bit to wishful in their pricing strategy here. You can't jump up the food chain in pricing too aggressively in just one FMC, it needs to happen gradually.
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I guess this means business, when two senior mods speak out at the same time.
pfft. Unfortunately he breaks no rules. Another misfortune is that people actually read what he posts (sadly, mods can't ignore)
Old 01-18-2013, 11:24 AM
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Another misfortune is that people actually read what he posts (sadly, mods can't ignore)
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