Acura: NSX News
11-18-2009, 01:25 PM
#2321
Senior Moderator
They shouldnt. Rules are Rules. Make a car or you dont compete. That would be like any of the manufactures in nascar asking them to bend the rules to let them put a fuel injected motor in the car because they no longer make a carb V8.
11-18-2009, 01:33 PM
#2322
And Camrys and Tauri are sold with V-8s and in coupe form? Sorry, racing is a business and the rules are always evolving. Maybe they didn't 'bend' the rules but rather just re-wrote them. Maybe whatever exception is open for anyone (not just Honda) to exploit? I don't know for sure, can anybody chime in?
11-19-2009, 09:16 AM
#2323
Instructor
Wasn't sure if I should make a new thread for this...feel free to.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/16/n...-in-the-works/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/16/n...-in-the-works/
11-19-2009, 10:13 AM
#2324
Senior Moderator
And Camrys and Tauri are sold with V-8s and in coupe form? Sorry, racing is a business and the rules are always evolving. Maybe they didn't 'bend' the rules but rather just re-wrote them. Maybe whatever exception is open for anyone (not just Honda) to exploit? I don't know for sure, can anybody chime in?
11-19-2009, 10:28 AM
#2325
Senior Moderator
Another example is the NSX-R GT. A few years ago, Honda had to sell five road going models of it to satisfy the rules. However, no one appears to have actually seen this car in real life. Would Honda again come up with five phantom road cars that they claim to have sold to make this car eligible?
11-19-2009, 12:30 PM
#2326
Senior Moderator
I know, I know.....
C'mon man, let a brotha dream willya!
All that effort....it shouldn't be wasted....*snif*.....I guess it's one of those "99 out of 100 failures" that leads to ultimate success. We just have to see where the success in this effort will come from.
C'mon man, let a brotha dream willya!
All that effort....it shouldn't be wasted....*snif*.....I guess it's one of those "99 out of 100 failures" that leads to ultimate success. We just have to see where the success in this effort will come from.
11-24-2009, 08:35 AM
#2327
Senior Moderator
If you call it a Camry, does it make it a Camry? An actual Camry shares nothing with the NASCAB Camry besides the name. If that's all it takes, then Honda can call this new GT500 car a Honda Accord coupe and go racing with it. But these comparisons are irrelevant, because like Colin said, each series will need to do what they need to survive. Just look at ALMS, it's supposed to conform to ACO rules, but for 2010, they've completely rewritten the rules to survive.
Another example is the NSX-R GT. A few years ago, Honda had to sell five road going models of it to satisfy the rules. However, no one appears to have actually seen this car in real life. Would Honda again come up with five phantom road cars that they claim to have sold to make this car eligible?
Another example is the NSX-R GT. A few years ago, Honda had to sell five road going models of it to satisfy the rules. However, no one appears to have actually seen this car in real life. Would Honda again come up with five phantom road cars that they claim to have sold to make this car eligible?
11-24-2009, 11:34 AM
#2329
Senior Moderator
11-24-2009, 12:19 PM
#2330
Go Big Blue!
I still can't bring myself to believe they will let a project like that (at the stage it was at) just wither on the vine. Forget about the skewed viewpoint of the enthusiast crowd here. It just doesn't seem to make much business sense. I'm expecting Ito to step to the podium at some near future auto show and pull a Gilda Radner...."Never mind......"
12-12-2009, 09:18 PM
#2331
Senior Moderator
Cancelled Acura NSX Resurrected as GT Racecar
Published Dec 11, 2009
<FORM class=rating id=yui-gen5>TOKYO — When Takeo Fukui, former president of Honda Motor Co., cancelled development of the next-generation Acura NSX, it seemed to be the end of the legendary nameplate, the symbol of Honda's love for technology and performance. Those who were most disappointed with Fukui's decision were the people working on the sports car, as it was just about finished and ready to start production.
</FORM>
Now the car might make it to the road after all, only in the form of a racing car. The Super GT Series is the most popular racing series in Japan, featuring highly modified GT cars at races held throughout Asia. Most Japanese manufacturers are involved, notably Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota. This year, a midengine Acura won the championship at the final race when the favored Nissan GT-R had a flat tire.
For next season, the new-generation, front-engine NSX will be entered for the Super GT Series. It will be equipped with a 3.4-liter V8, not the 5.0-liter V10 that had been rumored for the production car.
Honda has managed to sidestep the Super GT rules that require the use of a car based on a production vehicle by presenting the drawings and specs of the car to JAF (Japan Automobile Federation), which sanctions the GT Series. The rules permit cars that are production ready, though not necessarily in production, which is why the NSX and Toyota Supra are still a part of the championship.
The officials at JAF have given the OK, so the NSX will take its place on the starting grid in Japan next year. This should ease the sting of Honda's retreat from Formula 1 and the cancellation of the NSX program, major blows to a company as dedicated to performance as Honda.
Inside Line says: Maybe this $100,000 sports car isn't as cancelled as we thought. — Mak Tokuyama, Correspondent
Source: http://www.insideline.com/acura/nsx/...t-racecar.html
Published Dec 11, 2009
<FORM class=rating id=yui-gen5>TOKYO — When Takeo Fukui, former president of Honda Motor Co., cancelled development of the next-generation Acura NSX, it seemed to be the end of the legendary nameplate, the symbol of Honda's love for technology and performance. Those who were most disappointed with Fukui's decision were the people working on the sports car, as it was just about finished and ready to start production.
</FORM>
Now the car might make it to the road after all, only in the form of a racing car. The Super GT Series is the most popular racing series in Japan, featuring highly modified GT cars at races held throughout Asia. Most Japanese manufacturers are involved, notably Honda, Mazda, Nissan and Toyota. This year, a midengine Acura won the championship at the final race when the favored Nissan GT-R had a flat tire.
For next season, the new-generation, front-engine NSX will be entered for the Super GT Series. It will be equipped with a 3.4-liter V8, not the 5.0-liter V10 that had been rumored for the production car.
Honda has managed to sidestep the Super GT rules that require the use of a car based on a production vehicle by presenting the drawings and specs of the car to JAF (Japan Automobile Federation), which sanctions the GT Series. The rules permit cars that are production ready, though not necessarily in production, which is why the NSX and Toyota Supra are still a part of the championship.
The officials at JAF have given the OK, so the NSX will take its place on the starting grid in Japan next year. This should ease the sting of Honda's retreat from Formula 1 and the cancellation of the NSX program, major blows to a company as dedicated to performance as Honda.
Inside Line says: Maybe this $100,000 sports car isn't as cancelled as we thought. — Mak Tokuyama, Correspondent
Source: http://www.insideline.com/acura/nsx/...t-racecar.html
12-12-2009, 09:45 PM
#2333
Senior Moderator
Awesome...they are now mocking us by having the V8 NSX going around a race track but not for general consumption.
Remember everyone: Honda hates you.
Remember everyone: Honda hates you.
12-12-2009, 11:43 PM
#2334
I shoot people
what a fucking joke... seriously.
12-13-2009, 02:36 AM
#2335
12-13-2009, 02:44 PM
#2339
Senior Moderator
12-13-2009, 04:28 PM
#2342
Racer
12-13-2009, 11:21 PM
#2344
Racer
12-14-2009, 08:13 AM
#2347
Senior Moderator
What's with all the hating?
Honda announces replacement of NSX. Azine complains
Honda shows off HSC. Azine complains
Honda cancels HSC. Azine complains
Acura shows Advanced Sport Concept. Azine complains
Honda tests front engine prototype. Azine complains
Honda cancels replacement of NSX. Azine complains
Honda to finally produce and race prototype of NSX replacement. Azine complains.
I can see it now. Fast forward to June 2010, when the new car wins its first race...Azine complains.
Mods, please change title of thread to Acura whining.
Honda announces replacement of NSX. Azine complains
Honda shows off HSC. Azine complains
Honda cancels HSC. Azine complains
Acura shows Advanced Sport Concept. Azine complains
Honda tests front engine prototype. Azine complains
Honda cancels replacement of NSX. Azine complains
Honda to finally produce and race prototype of NSX replacement. Azine complains.
I can see it now. Fast forward to June 2010, when the new car wins its first race...Azine complains.
Mods, please change title of thread to Acura whining.
12-14-2009, 08:20 AM
#2348
Senior Moderator
What's with all the hating?
Honda shows off HSC. Azine complains because it had a V6
Honda cancels HSC. Azine complains because anything is better than nothing
Honda announces replacement of NSX. Azine complains because it was FR and not true to the original
Acura shows Advanced Sport Concept. Azine complains because it was FR and not true to the original and prays for the return of the HSC
Honda tests front engine prototype. Azine complains Because it had generic styling and see above
Honda cancels replacement of NSX. Azine complains because anything is better than nothing
Honda to finally produce and race prototype of NSX replacement. Azine complains. because Honda's throwing it in our face.
Honda shows off HSC. Azine complains because it had a V6
Honda cancels HSC. Azine complains because anything is better than nothing
Honda announces replacement of NSX. Azine complains because it was FR and not true to the original
Acura shows Advanced Sport Concept. Azine complains because it was FR and not true to the original and prays for the return of the HSC
Honda tests front engine prototype. Azine complains Because it had generic styling and see above
Honda cancels replacement of NSX. Azine complains because anything is better than nothing
Honda to finally produce and race prototype of NSX replacement. Azine complains. because Honda's throwing it in our face.
12-14-2009, 11:48 AM
#2349
The sizzle in the Steak
as it was just about finished and ready to start production
...but they cancelled the WRONG car!!!!!
Why didn't they cancel the ZDX, CRZ, Crosstour?!?!? They clearly could have....but nope!....these abominations will grace our roadways......well perhaps grace the dealership lots more than the roadways.....but either way, Honda has clearly shown us what direction they want to go.....and it's not pleasant.
12-14-2009, 11:54 AM
#2350
Senior Moderator
Who cares about HP and Nürburgring lap times. Clearly Honda has re-defined what a sports car should be. And every other manufacturer should take note and follow suit. The CR-Z is THE sports car for the 21st century.
Watch out Ferrari.
Watch out Ferrari.
12-14-2009, 12:04 PM
#2351
The sizzle in the Steak
I think the cat is out of the bag. The fact that the "NSX" was on the doorstep of production throws the whole "Honda/Acura was too far along to cancel the "X" vehicle." "This "X" vehicle was designed a long time ago...a different time in the industry" 
Sadly, this shows that Honda/Acura is going down a "different" path than a lot of us would have like to have seen them go down.
Does this mean they finally have a direction for design and product? Who knows, afterall this is Honda.....tomorrow there could be a new press release stating something else.
Sadly, this shows that Honda/Acura is going down a "different" path than a lot of us would have like to have seen them go down.
Does this mean they finally have a direction for design and product? Who knows, afterall this is Honda.....tomorrow there could be a new press release stating something else.
12-14-2009, 12:26 PM
#2352
Racer
12-14-2009, 01:10 PM
#2353
The sizzle in the Steak
....I could care less if Honda/Acura makes money or not....or for any other car maker for that matter.I care about their product, not their profits....as most car enthusiasts do.
12-14-2009, 04:18 PM
#2354
Senior Moderator
Thats going on the assumption that the cars they are producing are appealing and good. So far i havent seen a decent looking car come out of that company in some time now (sans the 08MDX)
12-14-2009, 05:03 PM
#2356
2G TLX-S
Simply put, Honda and especially the Acura division have lost touch with their customers and the auto market.
12-14-2009, 09:56 PM
#2357
Senior Moderator
12-17-2009, 02:41 AM
#2358
source Autocar
Plans are moving forward for Honda to reveal its new V8 racing car in Japan, the HSV 010.
While the programme hasn’t been fully buttoned down yet, as we hear it, this new car – loosely based on Honda’s axed 'next NSX' project – is tipped to appear in January but will definitely be for track only.
Honda put a lot of time and work into developing a new front-engined V10 super-coupe, to go head to head with the Lexus LFA.
The car was seen testing and was close to being signed off when Honda pulled the plug in winter 2008 as the economic crisis hit, around the same time Honda announced it was quitting Formula One.
Sources say Honda’s plan was to launch the new V10 super-coupe as the Acura Sports, its launch timed to coincide with the debut of Acura, Honda’s luxury dealer channel, in Japan.
In the end, both projects got canned, but not before Honda put quite a bit of work into developing a separate, pure race version of the Acura Sports for Super GT, Japan’s hugely popular tintop race series.
The Super GT version of the Acura Sports would carry the road car’s silhouette but underneath it would be totally different, with an all-new carbonfibre chassis and swapping the road car’s 5.0-litre V10 – good for 500bhp plus – for a race-bred 3.4-litre V8 to meet the new Super GT regs.
Those regs would also see the road car’s high-performance, rear-biased Super Handling 4WD system exchanged for a simpler, more robust rear drive layout, again to meet Super GT regs.
Honda will build a limited run of race cars to meet the requirements of the Super GT teams and the 3.4-litre V8 will come across from Japan’s Formula Nippon single-seater series.
It’s a 90-degree V8 with 3400cc capacity, rev-limited to 10,300rpm and good for 600bhp plus. For Super GT duty, the engine will have to be significantly reworked for a more endurance spec. Super GT races are longer and harder than Formula Nippon and each engine also has to last for four races.
The V8 engine will also be air-restricted to 500bhp to meet the regs in Super GT’s top GT500 class, but will lose the rev limiter.
Honda, it’s believed, is keen to present the HSV 010 as an all-new car, and an unveiling seems likely in Japan before the end of January.
While the programme hasn’t been fully buttoned down yet, as we hear it, this new car – loosely based on Honda’s axed 'next NSX' project – is tipped to appear in January but will definitely be for track only.
Honda put a lot of time and work into developing a new front-engined V10 super-coupe, to go head to head with the Lexus LFA.
The car was seen testing and was close to being signed off when Honda pulled the plug in winter 2008 as the economic crisis hit, around the same time Honda announced it was quitting Formula One.
Sources say Honda’s plan was to launch the new V10 super-coupe as the Acura Sports, its launch timed to coincide with the debut of Acura, Honda’s luxury dealer channel, in Japan.
In the end, both projects got canned, but not before Honda put quite a bit of work into developing a separate, pure race version of the Acura Sports for Super GT, Japan’s hugely popular tintop race series.
The Super GT version of the Acura Sports would carry the road car’s silhouette but underneath it would be totally different, with an all-new carbonfibre chassis and swapping the road car’s 5.0-litre V10 – good for 500bhp plus – for a race-bred 3.4-litre V8 to meet the new Super GT regs.
Those regs would also see the road car’s high-performance, rear-biased Super Handling 4WD system exchanged for a simpler, more robust rear drive layout, again to meet Super GT regs.
Honda will build a limited run of race cars to meet the requirements of the Super GT teams and the 3.4-litre V8 will come across from Japan’s Formula Nippon single-seater series.
It’s a 90-degree V8 with 3400cc capacity, rev-limited to 10,300rpm and good for 600bhp plus. For Super GT duty, the engine will have to be significantly reworked for a more endurance spec. Super GT races are longer and harder than Formula Nippon and each engine also has to last for four races.
The V8 engine will also be air-restricted to 500bhp to meet the regs in Super GT’s top GT500 class, but will lose the rev limiter.
Honda, it’s believed, is keen to present the HSV 010 as an all-new car, and an unveiling seems likely in Japan before the end of January.
12-18-2009, 08:11 AM
#2360
Race Director
In the end, both projects got canned, but not before Honda put quite a bit of work into developing a separate, pure race version of the Acura Sports for Super GT, Japan’s hugely popular tintop race series.
